The Nazis in Ukraine are Real
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Patrick
2023 Sep 26, 10:12am
Patrick
2023 Sep 26, 10:12am
Zelensky is ethnically Jewish, but seems to have no problem at all with employing literal Hitler-worshipping Nazis to fight against Russia.
I admit it's strange, but it's a fact.
I think the civil war in Ukraine has typical causes:
- resources (nat gas) in an area populated by an ethnic minority
- ethnic minority same as majority in much larger neighbor
This is exactly why Saudi Arabia hates Shiites so much. They are a minority living directly on most of the Saudi oilfields, and are the same religion as Iran, which is a much larger country.
I don't think America has the right to dictate who will be in charge of Ukraine any more than Russia has the right to dictate who will be in charge of Mexico.
I admit it's strange, but it's a fact.
I think the civil war in Ukraine has typical causes:
- resources (nat gas) in an area populated by an ethnic minority
- ethnic minority same as majority in much larger neighbor
This is exactly why Saudi Arabia hates Shiites so much. They are a minority living directly on most of the Saudi oilfields, and are the same religion as Iran, which is a much larger country.
I don't think America has the right to dictate who will be in charge of Ukraine any more than Russia has the right to dictate who will be in charge of Mexico.
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Patrick
2023 Sep 26, 10:55am
Patrick
2023 Sep 26, 10:55am
Big_Johnson says
The US did replace the democratically elected government of Ukraine with a different one. Mostly Nuland's doing.
Big_Johnson says
They're not though. The US is.
Big_Johnson says
What did Russians ever do to you?
Big_Johnson says
Putin seems entirely sane to me. It's "Biden", by which I mean Nuland and Blinken, who seem insane to me.
And the war was deliberately provoked. The US State Department talked about just how the US could provoke Russia to attack, and then did exactly that.
Big_Johnson says
The US is a glass house there.
What's stopping the US from attacking more countries?
The US can’t really dictate who is in charge in Ukraine.
The US did replace the democratically elected government of Ukraine with a different one. Mostly Nuland's doing.
Big_Johnson says
Obviously Ukrainians should be in charge of their country.
They're not though. The US is.
Big_Johnson says
You want as much Russians dead as possible.
What did Russians ever do to you?
Big_Johnson says
their madman in charge started
Putin seems entirely sane to me. It's "Biden", by which I mean Nuland and Blinken, who seem insane to me.
And the war was deliberately provoked. The US State Department talked about just how the US could provoke Russia to attack, and then did exactly that.
Big_Johnson says
That is the only way to prevent them from future invasions.
The US is a glass house there.
What's stopping the US from attacking more countries?
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Patrick
2023 Sep 26, 10:59am
Patrick
2023 Sep 26, 10:59am
https://www.caitlinjohnst.one/p/nobody-who-fought-against-russia?publication_id=82124&post_id=137415129&isFreemail=true&r=6gdz
Just because Ukraine has Nazi paramilitaries and just because it’s impossible to take photos of Ukrainian soldiers without capturing Nazi insignia and just because Ukrainian Nazis get applauded in parliament doesn’t mean we’re on the side of the Nazis, you crazy Russian shill.
Western minds have become so warped by cold war hysteria these last few years that it never occurred to a single person in an entire giant room full of professional politicians that someone who fought against Russia during World War II might be a bad guy. Having fought against Russia at any point in history is just reflexively assumed to have put you on the right side.
Remember when US liberals were conditioned to hate Russia by a completely false narrative which was fed to the media by the western intelligence cartel, while the west was engaging in actions that same intelligence cartel knew would provoke a war with Russia? Crazy coincidence. ...
I love how it’s no longer seriously disputed that NATO expansion provoked this war and even the head of NATO now admits it, so now empire apologists’ only argument is claiming that Russia simply shouldn’t have viewed NATO expansion as a threat. As though that’s an answer.
They work so hard on internet control for the same reason they’ve worked so hard on media control: to control the public. The easiest way to control people is to control how they think, and the easiest way to control how they think is to control what information they consume.
When Russia and China draw a “red line”, it’s about a threat to their national security on their own borders. When the US draws a “red line”, it’s about the internal affairs of another country on the other side of the world.
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Ceffer
2023 Sep 26, 11:13am
Ceffer
2023 Sep 26, 11:13am
Propaganda sucklers will be propaganda sucklers and propaganda rebroadcast booths. It's like my liberal friend in Santa Cruz who asked me 'why do you think so much. Just play music, relax, surf, and go with the flow', as if the propaganda made life easier and more pleasant and didn't require examination or reprocessing. Propaganda is the GMO pre-digested fast food with sports column chit sheets, all prepared for easy consumption, with winners, score cards, losers, apocryphal temporary victories, crowd cheering sound tracks, fake villains and fake heroes. I'm glad my friend said that, because propaganda is the fast food of shallow minds.
Of course, propaganda also serves the vacuously amoral, who think they have a horse in the race rather than being a variation of useful idiot.
I told him last year he was brainwashed and all of his standard sources were rivers of pollution and lies. He has started to come around on a few things. I think I electro shocked him into some awareness because I just can't stand it any more. We are still good friends and have common ground on a lot of things.
Making better sense of the world requires a devotion to truth and annoying work.
Of course, propaganda also serves the vacuously amoral, who think they have a horse in the race rather than being a variation of useful idiot.
I told him last year he was brainwashed and all of his standard sources were rivers of pollution and lies. He has started to come around on a few things. I think I electro shocked him into some awareness because I just can't stand it any more. We are still good friends and have common ground on a lot of things.
Making better sense of the world requires a devotion to truth and annoying work.
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DOGEWontAmountToShit
2023 Sep 26, 2:24pm
DOGEWontAmountToShit
2023 Sep 26, 2:24pm
Big_Johnson says
That's rich coming from you.
Ceffer, how do you know what propaganda is and what the truth is?
That's rich coming from you.
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Onvacation
2023 Sep 26, 3:42pm
Onvacation
2023 Sep 26, 3:42pm
Big_Johnson says
But that's exactly what we did!
Ten percent for the big guy.
The US can’t really dictate who is in charge in Ukraine.
But that's exactly what we did!
Ten percent for the big guy.
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richwicks
2023 Sep 26, 5:09pm
richwicks
2023 Sep 26, 5:09pm
Schokolade says
Fritz Haber was Jewish. He created the Haber process which is essential to modern farming, it makes ammonium nitrate. He also invented mustard gas, and a little known chemical called Zyklon B.
We are fed complete bullshit about WWII.
He would be the first nazi-jew that I know.
Fritz Haber was Jewish. He created the Haber process which is essential to modern farming, it makes ammonium nitrate. He also invented mustard gas, and a little known chemical called Zyklon B.
We are fed complete bullshit about WWII.
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Ceffer
2023 Sep 26, 5:31pm
Ceffer
2023 Sep 26, 5:31pm
Schokolade says
Read these 100 books, then get back to me. You will have a test and will receive a grade. Thanks for keeping an open mind.
"100 Best Propaganda Books of All Time"
https://www.shortform.com/best-books/genre/best-propaganda-books-of-all-time
Ceffer, how do you know what propaganda is and what the truth is?
Read these 100 books, then get back to me. You will have a test and will receive a grade. Thanks for keeping an open mind.
"100 Best Propaganda Books of All Time"
https://www.shortform.com/best-books/genre/best-propaganda-books-of-all-time
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richwicks
2023 Sep 26, 5:54pm
richwicks
2023 Sep 26, 5:54pm
Schokolade says
@Schokolade - I'll tell you how to differentiate, and it's not that hard. Any lie, has contradictions, just like any story has plot holes. It takes a LOT OF WORK to make your story internally consistent.
All you have to do is spot a contradiction. For example - here is a piece of propaganda:
original link
You might be asking what is wrong. Well, first the "Ukrainian pilot" doesn't have a Ukrainian accent. Second, fighter pilots can't have beards. Most people don't realize this, but anybody that has been in the airforce knows this. You need a fairly decent seal for the oxygen mask, and you can't have that with a beard.
The original is from here:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6x0l6rSAtrM
Now, how likely is it that somebody paid 10 million dollars a year, didn't have the resources to figure out 1) this isn't a Ukrainian accent and 2) fighter pilots don't have beards? The answer is no chance. From this point forward you ignore anything Anderson Cooper has to say.
What will happen, in time, is you will eliminate everybody on television, then you will eliminate everybody in corporate media.
What are the chances that the EDITOR of The Atlantic didn't know he was lying when he wrote this:
https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2020/09/trump-americans-who-died-at-war-are-losers-and-suckers/615997/
Trump when to a military academy as a child. Do you honestly think Trump is that dumb?
The only people who AREN'T propaganda are either famous enough that they cannot be deplatformed easily (like Russel Brand) or have been deplatformed, like Glenn Greenwald. I have a list of people I do trust if you want them.
Don't waste your time listening to people who lie to you. They don't ALWAYS lie, so don't assume that everything they say is false. That's not always the case - just completely ignore them.
Ceffer, how do you know what propaganda is and what the truth is?
@Schokolade - I'll tell you how to differentiate, and it's not that hard. Any lie, has contradictions, just like any story has plot holes. It takes a LOT OF WORK to make your story internally consistent.
All you have to do is spot a contradiction. For example - here is a piece of propaganda:
original link
You might be asking what is wrong. Well, first the "Ukrainian pilot" doesn't have a Ukrainian accent. Second, fighter pilots can't have beards. Most people don't realize this, but anybody that has been in the airforce knows this. You need a fairly decent seal for the oxygen mask, and you can't have that with a beard.
The original is from here:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6x0l6rSAtrM
Now, how likely is it that somebody paid 10 million dollars a year, didn't have the resources to figure out 1) this isn't a Ukrainian accent and 2) fighter pilots don't have beards? The answer is no chance. From this point forward you ignore anything Anderson Cooper has to say.
What will happen, in time, is you will eliminate everybody on television, then you will eliminate everybody in corporate media.
What are the chances that the EDITOR of The Atlantic didn't know he was lying when he wrote this:
https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2020/09/trump-americans-who-died-at-war-are-losers-and-suckers/615997/
Trump when to a military academy as a child. Do you honestly think Trump is that dumb?
The only people who AREN'T propaganda are either famous enough that they cannot be deplatformed easily (like Russel Brand) or have been deplatformed, like Glenn Greenwald. I have a list of people I do trust if you want them.
Don't waste your time listening to people who lie to you. They don't ALWAYS lie, so don't assume that everything they say is false. That's not always the case - just completely ignore them.
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DOGEWontAmountToShit
2023 Sep 26, 7:19pm
DOGEWontAmountToShit
2023 Sep 26, 7:19pm
Schokolade says
YOU spout all kinds of propaganda garbage, is what I was referring to.
Huh? I legitimately want to know how ceffer is so convinced what the truth is vs propaganda. In todays world the internet is full of BS. So what’s your method?
YOU spout all kinds of propaganda garbage, is what I was referring to.
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richwicks
2023 Sep 26, 9:00pm
richwicks
2023 Sep 26, 9:00pm
Trollhole says
Most people do. They have no filter.
It does take some effort to have a filter, and it takes time.
I want to point out that propaganda isn't necessarily false, it's just something designed to set an opinion in a person, doesn't have to be a lie. However, for the purposes of my using that word, I mean it's false. I don't mind true propaganda so much, but even when you are telling the truth, you need to explain your reasoning to come to that conclusion, and to give sources for your reasoning. We all make mistakes, somebody telling you the truth, will DARE you to tell them they are wrong, and will want you to tell them they are wrong, if they've made a mistake.
That's the scientific method, and look at what it's done. You have a rug under you most likely, you have a computer or a phone, you have electric lighting. You have more wealthy and comfort than the richest king did just 300 years ago and I don't care who you are. Everybody here does. You can fly to the other side of the planet if you wish. You realize how unimaginable this was just 300 years ago?
Schokolade says
Huh? I legitimately want to know how ceffer is so convinced what the truth is vs propaganda. In todays world the internet is full of BS. So what’s your method?
YOU spout all kinds of propaganda garbage, is what I was referring to.
Most people do. They have no filter.
It does take some effort to have a filter, and it takes time.
I want to point out that propaganda isn't necessarily false, it's just something designed to set an opinion in a person, doesn't have to be a lie. However, for the purposes of my using that word, I mean it's false. I don't mind true propaganda so much, but even when you are telling the truth, you need to explain your reasoning to come to that conclusion, and to give sources for your reasoning. We all make mistakes, somebody telling you the truth, will DARE you to tell them they are wrong, and will want you to tell them they are wrong, if they've made a mistake.
That's the scientific method, and look at what it's done. You have a rug under you most likely, you have a computer or a phone, you have electric lighting. You have more wealthy and comfort than the richest king did just 300 years ago and I don't care who you are. Everybody here does. You can fly to the other side of the planet if you wish. You realize how unimaginable this was just 300 years ago?
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DOGEWontAmountToShit
2023 Sep 26, 9:15pm
DOGEWontAmountToShit
2023 Sep 26, 9:15pm
richwicks says
You aren't pointing out shit.
You are just trolling.
Actually, this sounds exactly like the crap a ChatGPT bot spews out.
^^^ @Patrick
I want to point out that propaganda isn't necessarily false,
You aren't pointing out shit.
You are just trolling.
Actually, this sounds exactly like the crap a ChatGPT bot spews out.
^^^ @Patrick
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richwicks
2023 Sep 26, 9:19pm
richwicks
2023 Sep 26, 9:19pm
Trollhole says
Think what you wish, I'm a genuine human being in a sea of cattle.
Get your booster yet? Find that Russian Collusion yet? End that "humanitarian crisis that Qaddafi was about to cause" yet?
Did you know the Syrian war is still going on and the US is still involved with it? What's the mission?
The US is bombing Yemen and Somalia - for what purpose?
Don't you find it a little disturbing you don't know? I do. I find it highly disturbing in fact, because I don't know, and I can't find anybody that will give me a credible explanation. So, I'm paying through taxation to murder people 7000 miles away, and I don't even know why. Doesn't bother you does it? It bothers me, to an extreme.
Also Patrick knows me. I don't know what he thinks of me, that's private to him. I'm outspoken I admit, but I'm either human and this mass of dumbshits around me are cattle, or I'm superhuman, and I just don't know humanity. Maybe I'm something else, I could be insane I suppose.
I've given up on the 90%. There's that 10% that is worth helping.
richwicks says
I want to point out that propaganda isn't necessarily false,
You aren't pointing out shit.
You are just trolling.
Actually, this sounds exactly like the crap a ChatGPT bot spews out.
^^^ Patrick
Think what you wish, I'm a genuine human being in a sea of cattle.
Get your booster yet? Find that Russian Collusion yet? End that "humanitarian crisis that Qaddafi was about to cause" yet?
Did you know the Syrian war is still going on and the US is still involved with it? What's the mission?
The US is bombing Yemen and Somalia - for what purpose?
Don't you find it a little disturbing you don't know? I do. I find it highly disturbing in fact, because I don't know, and I can't find anybody that will give me a credible explanation. So, I'm paying through taxation to murder people 7000 miles away, and I don't even know why. Doesn't bother you does it? It bothers me, to an extreme.
Also Patrick knows me. I don't know what he thinks of me, that's private to him. I'm outspoken I admit, but I'm either human and this mass of dumbshits around me are cattle, or I'm superhuman, and I just don't know humanity. Maybe I'm something else, I could be insane I suppose.
I've given up on the 90%. There's that 10% that is worth helping.
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Patrick
2023 Sep 26, 9:37pm
Patrick
2023 Sep 26, 9:37pm
richwicks says
@Trollhole I actually know richwicks and he is indeed a genuine human being with his own opinions, not trolling.
To troll is to make deliberately inflammatory remarks for the fun of watching people get angry, or to derail a conversation because it is converging on an unwanted conclusion.
Think what you wish, I'm a genuine human being
@Trollhole I actually know richwicks and he is indeed a genuine human being with his own opinions, not trolling.
To troll is to make deliberately inflammatory remarks for the fun of watching people get angry, or to derail a conversation because it is converging on an unwanted conclusion.
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AmericanKulak
2023 Sep 26, 9:42pm
AmericanKulak
2023 Sep 26, 9:42pm
richwicks says
Like Fritz Haber died in 1934.
He worked at the Kaiser Wilhelm Institute for Advanced Sciences, but after Hitler's law banning Jews from the Civil Service, which included the Insititue, he decided to leave the Country. Einstein resigned his position at the Prussian Academy of Sciences about the same time.
Haber died en route to the Middle East, in a hotel in Basel, Switzerland.
His Zyklon-A was invented and used as a fumigant in Grain Stores during the Weimar Era in the 1920s. However, he did make and use Chemical Weapons for the Kaiser in World War I as many Allied Scientists did on the other sides of the conflict.
Sadly, Haber considered himself a German first, was center-right in his politics, and was at best a very lapsed/nominal Jew.
Schokolade says
He would be the first nazi-jew that I know.
Fritz Haber was Jewish. He created the Haber process which is essential to modern farming, it makes ammonium nitrate. He also invented mustard gas, and a little known chemical called Zyklon B.
We are fed complete bullshit about WWII.
Like Fritz Haber died in 1934.
He worked at the Kaiser Wilhelm Institute for Advanced Sciences, but after Hitler's law banning Jews from the Civil Service, which included the Insititue, he decided to leave the Country. Einstein resigned his position at the Prussian Academy of Sciences about the same time.
Haber died en route to the Middle East, in a hotel in Basel, Switzerland.
His Zyklon-A was invented and used as a fumigant in Grain Stores during the Weimar Era in the 1920s. However, he did make and use Chemical Weapons for the Kaiser in World War I as many Allied Scientists did on the other sides of the conflict.
Sadly, Haber considered himself a German first, was center-right in his politics, and was at best a very lapsed/nominal Jew.
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richwicks
2023 Sep 26, 9:43pm
richwicks
2023 Sep 26, 9:43pm
Patrick says
I disagree.
Trolling in my opinion is making inflammatory FALSE statements to get people to respond in a flurry to correct you.
Our media does it all the time, or did. Now they don't allow feedback, so, they have become irrelevant.
To troll is to make deliberately inflammatory remarks for the fun of watching people get angry, or to derail a conversation because it is converging on an unwanted conclusion.
I disagree.
Trolling in my opinion is making inflammatory FALSE statements to get people to respond in a flurry to correct you.
Our media does it all the time, or did. Now they don't allow feedback, so, they have become irrelevant.
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richwicks
2023 Sep 26, 9:53pm
richwicks
2023 Sep 26, 9:53pm
AmericanKulak says
How about that? You're correct, if I am to trust Wikipedia, and in this case, I do.
He did invent Zyklon-B though.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fritz_Haber
I didn't know when he died, 1934. We all owe a debt to him. He was a brilliant man, although flawed perhaps, his invention of the Haber process was instrumental in our modern life. He did more for humanity than almost anybody I can think of.
Like Fritz Haber died in 1934 after deciding to leave Nazi Germany, en route to the Middle East, in a hotel in Basel, Switzerland.
And his Zyklon-A was invented and used as a fumigant in Grain Stores during the Weimar Era in the 1920s.
How about that? You're correct, if I am to trust Wikipedia, and in this case, I do.
He did invent Zyklon-B though.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fritz_Haber
I didn't know when he died, 1934. We all owe a debt to him. He was a brilliant man, although flawed perhaps, his invention of the Haber process was instrumental in our modern life. He did more for humanity than almost anybody I can think of.
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richwicks
2023 Sep 26, 9:56pm
richwicks
2023 Sep 26, 9:56pm
Patrick says
The trick is to keep gaslighting us and to get us to respond to that, I think.
I remember being absolutely outraged when the "news" was caught in a lie, and even more so when they refused to correct it, and when nobody else in the "news" would point it out.
I used to think we had news. I used to think we had a free press. How naive I was. I was like 30 before I realized we were fed just a steady diet of bullshit. It's embarassing.
OK, false and inflammatory.
The trick is to keep gaslighting us and to get us to respond to that, I think.
I remember being absolutely outraged when the "news" was caught in a lie, and even more so when they refused to correct it, and when nobody else in the "news" would point it out.
I used to think we had news. I used to think we had a free press. How naive I was. I was like 30 before I realized we were fed just a steady diet of bullshit. It's embarassing.
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DOGEWontAmountToShit
2023 Sep 26, 10:36pm
DOGEWontAmountToShit
2023 Sep 26, 10:36pm
Patrick says
That's right.
What about Shokolwhatever? He's the bot.
To troll is to make deliberately inflammatory remarks for the fun of watching people get angry, or to derail a conversation because it is converging on an unwanted conclusion.
That's right.
What about Shokolwhatever? He's the bot.
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AD
2023 Sep 27, 12:51am
AD
2023 Sep 27, 12:51am
"The Ukrainian People's Republic fought the Bolshevik Red Army for three years (1918-1921) but lost its fight for independence."
After this eventually followed the Holomdor to break the spirit of Ukrainians who wanted independence from the Kremlin.
That is why a lot of Ukranians joined the German military (which the SS was the only unit recruiting), as a way to try to gain independence.
So a lot of the "Nazi" Ukrainians were more interested in Ukraine's independence than actually being a "Nazi".
And the same is today as far as Russia labeling Ukraine as a "Nazi" nation.
When Putin said Ukraine was the same as Russia, and that it should be part of Russia, that made a lot of Ukrainians upset as they recalled Stalin had the same views as far as control and used the Holomdor to force submission. One was forcing people to work on collective or socialist farms.
Russia looted a lot from Donbas starting in 2014. I've seen video footage of Russian soldiers leaving eastern region of Kiev with refrigerators, computers, etc.
After this eventually followed the Holomdor to break the spirit of Ukrainians who wanted independence from the Kremlin.
That is why a lot of Ukranians joined the German military (which the SS was the only unit recruiting), as a way to try to gain independence.
So a lot of the "Nazi" Ukrainians were more interested in Ukraine's independence than actually being a "Nazi".
And the same is today as far as Russia labeling Ukraine as a "Nazi" nation.
When Putin said Ukraine was the same as Russia, and that it should be part of Russia, that made a lot of Ukrainians upset as they recalled Stalin had the same views as far as control and used the Holomdor to force submission. One was forcing people to work on collective or socialist farms.
Russia looted a lot from Donbas starting in 2014. I've seen video footage of Russian soldiers leaving eastern region of Kiev with refrigerators, computers, etc.
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richwicks
2023 Sep 27, 12:59am
richwicks
2023 Sep 27, 12:59am
ad says
Russia didn't care what Ukraine did, until they declared they were going to give up their independence, wanted to join the EU, and become part of NATO.
That's the root of the problem. If Ukraine just stopped their civil war, and agreed to stay independent, Russia wouldn't have cared.
When Putin said Ukraine was the same as Russia, and that it should be part of Russia, that made a lot of Ukrainians upset as they recalled Stalin had the same views as far as control and used the Holomdor to force submission. One was forcing people to work on collective or socialist farms.
Russia didn't care what Ukraine did, until they declared they were going to give up their independence, wanted to join the EU, and become part of NATO.
That's the root of the problem. If Ukraine just stopped their civil war, and agreed to stay independent, Russia wouldn't have cared.
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AD
2023 Sep 27, 1:05am
AD
2023 Sep 27, 1:05am
richwicks says
You had a Ukranian president who wanted closer ties to the Kremlin as in being like another Belarus. He was not neutral. He was pro Putin and Kremlin. That former president is now in Russia.
They need a neutral government in Ukraine, if that is possible. Maybe set up a equal coalition and bring in peacekeepers from Latin America for eastern Ukraine. That is one way to at least have an armistice.
Problem is as you get away from Donbas and reach the Dniper river, then pro-Russian sentiment is very weak to non existent.
And not everyone in eastern Ukraine was supportive of Russia's invasion.
.
Russia didn't care what Ukraine did, until they declared they were going to give up their independence, wanted to join the EU,
You had a Ukranian president who wanted closer ties to the Kremlin as in being like another Belarus. He was not neutral. He was pro Putin and Kremlin. That former president is now in Russia.
They need a neutral government in Ukraine, if that is possible. Maybe set up a equal coalition and bring in peacekeepers from Latin America for eastern Ukraine. That is one way to at least have an armistice.
Problem is as you get away from Donbas and reach the Dniper river, then pro-Russian sentiment is very weak to non existent.
And not everyone in eastern Ukraine was supportive of Russia's invasion.
.
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Onvacation
2023 Sep 27, 5:18am
Onvacation
2023 Sep 27, 5:18am
Schokolade says
Are you Bitcoin?
For instance: you said you are convinced user Bitcoin died of the jab.
Are you Bitcoin?
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Patrick
2023 Sep 27, 9:39am
Patrick
2023 Sep 27, 9:39am
Trollhole says
I do suspect he's someone paid to be here, or maybe AI, but I don't really know. Just going by his recent appearance and the straight war-machine party line he takes.
If he's a person, then at least it's good that we get to talk to him about the fact of US provocation. If he's AI, it's hopeless.
But maybe it's good practice for what to do with people who just repeat the party line over and over without really debating anything. Default should be to ignore.
Then again, at some point that is actually trolling, because it's false and deliberately inflammatory.
What about Shokolwhatever? He's the bot.
I do suspect he's someone paid to be here, or maybe AI, but I don't really know. Just going by his recent appearance and the straight war-machine party line he takes.
If he's a person, then at least it's good that we get to talk to him about the fact of US provocation. If he's AI, it's hopeless.
But maybe it's good practice for what to do with people who just repeat the party line over and over without really debating anything. Default should be to ignore.
Then again, at some point that is actually trolling, because it's false and deliberately inflammatory.
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AD
2023 Sep 27, 11:56am
AD
2023 Sep 27, 11:56am
Deplorable most of the Ukranians that joined to the SS subscribed to its views other than they wanted Ukraine to be an independent state and to see the Soviets power to be reduced.
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richwicks
2023 Sep 27, 2:43pm
richwicks
2023 Sep 27, 2:43pm
Schwarzwaelder says
I specifically wrote him multiple times and didn't receive a response and I didn't say I was "convinced" he had died, but I considered it a possibility because the fool kept getting boosters for the coof AFTER he claimed he had a bad reaction to a booster.
What an idiot. He knew that the disease wasn't dangerous, he had a bad reaction to it, and he knew the vaccine didn't prevent infection. What a moron.
The evidence was he posted regularly, and then suddenly just stopped on May 4, 2022.
https://www.patrick.net/comments?a=Bitcoin&start=2318
He MIGHT be dead, that's a legitimate possibility.
https://www.patrick.net/comment?comment_id=1837337
He stopped posting not too long before he bragged, literally bragged, that he was going to get another booster. I wouldn't be surprised IF he's dead.
Schwarzwaelder says
You're being dishonest now. I said, and I quote: "Russia has never lost a war to my knowledge"
Emphasis added.
https://patrick.net/post/1380099/2023-09-13-ukraine-fully-westernizes?start=7#comment-1990095
Look, Ukraine is easy to understand. The US created wars to launder money, that is a PRINCIPLE reason they engage in war. They blow up some place, and once it's over, they offer to "rebuild", they make ONE or two buildings, and then steal the rest of the money, and US taxpayers pay for it. Clinton does this, Biden did this.
The US doesn't give a FUCK about Ukrainians, they just want to continue the war for as long as possible so they can steal as much money as they can.
That's why $700 of shit nothing was given to Maui.
People have said I'm too cynical, I'm not 1/10th as cynical as I ought to be, and I'm starting to view everybody around me as fools.
They fucking say it to your face, and you still don't believe it.
For instance: you said you are convinced user Bitcoin died of the jab. Yet, there was no evidence and it’s obviously not true but you repeated this over and over.
I specifically wrote him multiple times and didn't receive a response and I didn't say I was "convinced" he had died, but I considered it a possibility because the fool kept getting boosters for the coof AFTER he claimed he had a bad reaction to a booster.
What an idiot. He knew that the disease wasn't dangerous, he had a bad reaction to it, and he knew the vaccine didn't prevent infection. What a moron.
The evidence was he posted regularly, and then suddenly just stopped on May 4, 2022.
https://www.patrick.net/comments?a=Bitcoin&start=2318
He MIGHT be dead, that's a legitimate possibility.
https://www.patrick.net/comment?comment_id=1837337
He stopped posting not too long before he bragged, literally bragged, that he was going to get another booster. I wouldn't be surprised IF he's dead.
Schwarzwaelder says
You also made other statements like Russia never lost a war or France is lost (after the riots). You just need to keep in mind there might be another alternative (contrary to your belief) out there that you can’t see at the moment. Maybe look into “black and white thinking”?
You're being dishonest now. I said, and I quote: "Russia has never lost a war to my knowledge"
Emphasis added.
https://patrick.net/post/1380099/2023-09-13-ukraine-fully-westernizes?start=7#comment-1990095
Look, Ukraine is easy to understand. The US created wars to launder money, that is a PRINCIPLE reason they engage in war. They blow up some place, and once it's over, they offer to "rebuild", they make ONE or two buildings, and then steal the rest of the money, and US taxpayers pay for it. Clinton does this, Biden did this.
The US doesn't give a FUCK about Ukrainians, they just want to continue the war for as long as possible so they can steal as much money as they can.
That's why $700 of shit nothing was given to Maui.
People have said I'm too cynical, I'm not 1/10th as cynical as I ought to be, and I'm starting to view everybody around me as fools.
They fucking say it to your face, and you still don't believe it.
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richwicks
2023 Sep 27, 2:45pm
richwicks
2023 Sep 27, 2:45pm
Schwarzwaelder says
The billions sent to Ukraine just enrich the people who send the money. They are just money laundering.
Why do you think they don't want audit trails? Trump was impeached when he started asking about corruption in Ukraine and wanting accountability for the money. This is what our fucking bullshit media called a "quid pro quo".
What’s also upsetting is the fact that the US doesn’t support Maui residents more financially but sends billions to Ukraine.
The billions sent to Ukraine just enrich the people who send the money. They are just money laundering.
Why do you think they don't want audit trails? Trump was impeached when he started asking about corruption in Ukraine and wanting accountability for the money. This is what our fucking bullshit media called a "quid pro quo".
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Patrick
2023 Sep 27, 4:59pm
Patrick
2023 Sep 27, 4:59pm
Patrick says
OK, now that he's changed his name to @Schwarzwaelder I think he's even more sus. Why the name change?
Why German names? I can speak German myself reasonably well, btw.
Trollhole says
What about Shokolwhatever? He's the bot.
I do suspect he's someone paid to be here, or maybe AI, but I don't really know. Just going by his recent appearance and the straight war-machine party line he takes.
OK, now that he's changed his name to @Schwarzwaelder I think he's even more sus. Why the name change?
Why German names? I can speak German myself reasonably well, btw.
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richwicks
2023 Sep 27, 5:44pm
richwicks
2023 Sep 27, 5:44pm
StillsearchingforagoodName says
So people know who they are talking to. That's why people use names. If you change your name constantly, you may as well NOT have a name at all.
I have been changing names since the beginning. I don’t know why more people change their names. Maybe they love their names. I
So people know who they are talking to. That's why people use names. If you change your name constantly, you may as well NOT have a name at all.
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richwicks
2023 Sep 27, 6:49pm
richwicks
2023 Sep 27, 6:49pm
StillsearchingforagoodName says
Aren't people cattle? The US has bombed 7 nations in the last 20 years, can you name them? Can you name why they bombed them?
People care about about what they are TOLD to care about. Ukraine is in a war with Russia - so? Libya has slavery markets and is in civil war because the US got Qaddafi killed. Maui residents got $700 per family as the most blatant FUCK YOU I've ever seen the government give. Palestine Ohio is still poisoned. Remember when our media was screaming about women's rights in Afghanistan? Are they now?
When I ''call people names", I do not call them out by username, because the people who are, know they are. I don't make judgements on people, I attempt to change them, to make them look in the goddamn mirror.
I have talked to dozens of people who mentioned they "served" in the military. I point out they swore an oath to the Constitution and swore to protect it from enemies both foreign and domestic, and point out we have clear domestic enemies of the Constitution in Langley Virginia and Washington DC - and their oath means nothing, because they will do nothing about it, they won't even speak out against it. You know what response I get? I never get a response, I get silence, because they know I'm right. They are murderers for hire, and there hasn't been a person in the military to protect the rights of US citizens in my lifetime, and I was born in 1971.
I find shame to be a useful tool but I'm up against shameless people. Hillary Clinton will just outright lie to people, with a "journalist" just ignoring she's lying. They have absolutely no honor, no shame but what drives me spare, is that people don't notice this, no matter how obvious it is.
I once wrote here that I think from hypocrisy comes all evil, not deception, hypocrisy. If our nation actually had the values they claim to have, and upheld those values here and abroad, we really would be a shining beacon on the hill. Instead, we're a sewer. We have a president whose having his son sell finger fucking paintings for 1/2 million dollars each to accept bribes. I can see this, our intelligence agencies can see this, our military can see this.
They aren't stupid, they are criminals, but the cattle cannot accept that obvious truth.
Yeah, people are cattle.
We just went through a "pandemic" - did you see dead bodies on the street, were ambulances cruising by your place constantly? TV tells MOST people what to believe, even if it counteracts what they actually see and experience. They're robots, they're not people.
And now children, CHILDREN, are drying of heart attacks and strokes. "It's not the vaccine" the propaganda box tells the cattle, and they believe it. I have VASTLY over-estimated people all my life, they are cattle.
But there are people, it's just a small percentage.
Am I wrong that 90% AREN'T cattle? I'd sure like it to be 51% aren't, but that's not my experience.
Funny. You just recently posted that 90% of people are dumb shits, cattle, etc.you call people all kinds of names but not by their user name.
Aren't people cattle? The US has bombed 7 nations in the last 20 years, can you name them? Can you name why they bombed them?
People care about about what they are TOLD to care about. Ukraine is in a war with Russia - so? Libya has slavery markets and is in civil war because the US got Qaddafi killed. Maui residents got $700 per family as the most blatant FUCK YOU I've ever seen the government give. Palestine Ohio is still poisoned. Remember when our media was screaming about women's rights in Afghanistan? Are they now?
When I ''call people names", I do not call them out by username, because the people who are, know they are. I don't make judgements on people, I attempt to change them, to make them look in the goddamn mirror.
I have talked to dozens of people who mentioned they "served" in the military. I point out they swore an oath to the Constitution and swore to protect it from enemies both foreign and domestic, and point out we have clear domestic enemies of the Constitution in Langley Virginia and Washington DC - and their oath means nothing, because they will do nothing about it, they won't even speak out against it. You know what response I get? I never get a response, I get silence, because they know I'm right. They are murderers for hire, and there hasn't been a person in the military to protect the rights of US citizens in my lifetime, and I was born in 1971.
I find shame to be a useful tool but I'm up against shameless people. Hillary Clinton will just outright lie to people, with a "journalist" just ignoring she's lying. They have absolutely no honor, no shame but what drives me spare, is that people don't notice this, no matter how obvious it is.
I once wrote here that I think from hypocrisy comes all evil, not deception, hypocrisy. If our nation actually had the values they claim to have, and upheld those values here and abroad, we really would be a shining beacon on the hill. Instead, we're a sewer. We have a president whose having his son sell finger fucking paintings for 1/2 million dollars each to accept bribes. I can see this, our intelligence agencies can see this, our military can see this.
They aren't stupid, they are criminals, but the cattle cannot accept that obvious truth.
Yeah, people are cattle.
We just went through a "pandemic" - did you see dead bodies on the street, were ambulances cruising by your place constantly? TV tells MOST people what to believe, even if it counteracts what they actually see and experience. They're robots, they're not people.
And now children, CHILDREN, are drying of heart attacks and strokes. "It's not the vaccine" the propaganda box tells the cattle, and they believe it. I have VASTLY over-estimated people all my life, they are cattle.
But there are people, it's just a small percentage.
Am I wrong that 90% AREN'T cattle? I'd sure like it to be 51% aren't, but that's not my experience.
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DOGEWontAmountToShit
2023 Sep 27, 10:27pm
DOGEWontAmountToShit
2023 Sep 27, 10:27pm
Patrick says
I am already seeing that. Takes a troll to catch a troll. :)
Then again, at some point that is actually trolling, because it's false and deliberately inflammatory.
I am already seeing that. Takes a troll to catch a troll. :)
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