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An Idea That Apparently Is Too Hard To Grasp For Some Patnetters


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by HunterTits   $0.20 total tips   💰tip   follow   2022 Apr 29, 4:10pm  

TOk, tell me how this doesn't work.

Note: That means you have to actually fucking read through this and familiarize yourself with the details. Don't post critiques that only prove that you didn't do so. I will rip you a new asshole if you do.

But otherwise...rip away:

Can't wait until someone figures out a way to get people to rent their ADUs out to a firm that then sublets it to 50+ remote workers. That way, they can all say they work in Palo Alto, etc, pay CA income taxes...the works. They have official residence status and get paid Cali wages. But the ADU won't be physically used except on a first-come-first-served basis for when any of those subletters have to actually show up for one of the times they have to be in town. And it is not like the neighbors will notice this and complain to authorities, like they occasionally do when they notice apartments have 8 people living in them. There will only be one or maybe two people staying at the ADU at any given time, as is legal to do.

I would pay $300/month for that. Esp if I moved to a no-income tax state.

$300/month for 50 subletters = $15,000/month for the ADU. I am surprised homeowners haven't set up an LLC to do just that with their ADUs.

Again, before some of you pick holes in nothing because you didn't pay attention to the above details (which are everything):

ADU owner 'rents out' his unit to an LLC/Corp entity. Esp an out-of-state one, preferably. That firm then sublets the flying fuck out of it to 50+ remote workers. Think of this as sort of like a remote worker AirBnB. It's like a timeshare, where if the subletters want to actually use it, then they have to reserve it and pay a cleaning fee, etc to use it for a short period of time. All reserved up so other subletters can't use it when they want to? Easy, they go to Motel 6 while in town. Early bird gets the fucking worm, assholes!

This way the unit is legally rented out to one tenant as far as what the homeowner is on the hook to report or care about, technically. Even if the homeowner owns the tenant legal entity.

I suppose that the State would figure out that 50+ people 'live' there because of what they report on their tax forms and driver licenses, etc. But apartments with 10+ people also show up in those records (migrants...both legal and illegal) and they don't give a fuck about that.

Any other holes in this?

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1   Tenpoundbass   2022 Apr 29, 4:33pm  

I had to look up ADU
HunterTits says
Any other holes in this?


Only establishment politicians are allowed to get creative with technical nonexistent loopholes and get away with it.
There's zoning laws and IRS laws as well as State income tax evasion, if I had to guess.
2   HunterTits   2022 Apr 29, 4:41pm  

Tenpoundbass says
There's zoning laws and IRS laws as well as State income tax evasion, if I had to guess.


Read the damn thing. I address the zoning laws. No income tax evasion as they will pay income tax in the state they officially have residence in. And if you really live in a no-income tax state, what are you evading exactly? If you live in another income tax state, you probably have to pay that too.

And what IRS laws are being violated? Where do I state ppl will evade paying federal income taxes? No where.
3   EBGuy   2022 Apr 29, 5:04pm  

HunterTits says
they will pay income tax in the state they officially have residence in.

But they'll have a CA dirver's license (if I understand you correctly), which could be very difficult as the state of California will definitely be gunning for you. They'll try to nail you down as a part-time resident. Would it be 1099 or W-2 income? Here's what the FTB says:
Part-year resident
If you lived inside or outside of California during the tax year, you may be a part-year resident.
As a part-year resident, you pay tax on:
All worldwide income received while a California resident
Income from California sources while you were a nonresident


At a company I used work during the wild west dot com days, anyone who lived out of state had to work out of an office that was not in state (as they would occasionally show up for work in CA). This was to protect both the worker and company. The worker was officially transferred to the Nevada office (so he could "enjoy his stock options", unimpeded by CA taxes).
4   HunterTits   2022 Apr 29, 5:35pm  

EBGuy says
But they'll have a CA dirver's license (if I understand you correctly), which could be very difficult as the state of California will definitely be gunning for you. They'll try to nail you down as a part-time resident. Would it be 1099 or W-2 income? Here's what the FTB says:
Part-year resident


So? I never said you wouldn't pay California income taxes. In fact I was quite clear that you would.
5   EBGuy   2022 Apr 29, 5:48pm  

HunterTits says
In fact I was quite clear that you would.

You were! As you can tell, my mind went elsewhere (and reading comprehension went out the window). Hmmm... might work (but CA income and capital gains taxes are not trivial).
6   Eric Holder   2022 Apr 29, 5:55pm  

HunterTits says

EBGuy says
But they'll have a CA dirver's license (if I understand you correctly), which could be very difficult as the state of California will definitely be gunning for you. They'll try to nail you down as a part-time resident. Would it be 1099 or W-2 income? Here's what the FTB says:
Part-year resident


So? I never said you wouldn't pay California income taxes. In fact I was quite clear that you would.


You also said "I would pay $300/month for that. Esp if I moved to a no-income tax state."

What's the point of this exercise if you still have to pay CA tax?
7   HunterTits   2022 Apr 29, 5:59pm  

EBGuy says
You were! As you can tell, my mind went elsewhere (and reading comprehension went out the window). Hmmm... might work (but CA income and capital gains taxes are not trivial).


Ok, so now we hit the part that I didn't get into. What kind of market does this serve.

Here we go:

I can get my employer to classify me internally as permanently remote. That also means I take a pay cut. Even if I am perm remote (CA). Even if I am PR CA and live in SF. Pay will be even more reduced if I moved to Nevada or Oregon...or Kansas.

AirBnB just announced that they will pay people the same salary no matter where they live, in contrast. But most employers are doing what mine is.

So that is what this market is for.

So I pay a shit load in CA income taxes if I arrange residency via this scheme. But I'll by a house for a $600/month mortgage in say, Klamath Falls, OR. Or Sparks, NV.

My DL, state of residency, car license plates, etc. will all be California. My wife can get a job locally so her ID, state of residency will be where the house is.

There is nothing illegal or even wrong about any of that.

As far as Oregon or Nevada is concerned, I live and work in CA. Same for the Feds. I have everything in order that proves so! Even the tax trail. My employer is none-the-wiser unless I can't come in for an on-site meeting, etc. That's why I want a state close by in case I have to drive down the night before.

The delta between what I make NET despite the CA ripoff income & payroll taxes and what kind of severe reduction in my cost of living (including my $300 'rent' as a subletter in that ADU) is still too great. That makes this a wonderful deal, and get around my employer slashing my pay up to 2/3 if I get classified as perm remote with HR.

See the market I am trying to address with this idea now? :lightbulb:
8   GNLusedtobeWine   2022 Apr 29, 7:27pm  

What are the numbers?

How much do I save or come out ahead on if say, I make $200k permanent remote "living" in San Fran?
9   HunterTits   2022 Apr 29, 8:22pm  

WineHorror1 says

What are the number?

How much do I save or come out ahead on if say, I make $200k permanent remote "living" in San Fran?


You don't remote in San Fran. Read what I wrote.
10   GNLusedtobeWine   2022 Apr 29, 8:34pm  

HunterTits says

WineHorror1 says

What are the number?

How much do I save or come out ahead on if say, I make $200k permanent remote "living" in San Fran?


You don't remote in San Fran. Read what I wrote.

That's why I put "living" in quotes. I think you're idea is very interesting and if I thought/think I can actually do it, I might. You're idea is to make your employer believe you live in a place like San Francisco or other high cost area, correct? Once he/she believes that, your pay goes to the standard of that area, correct? BUT, being the smart fox that you are, you actually like in Podunk Alabama and live high on the hog, correct? If I got all of that correct, what are the numbers on how I make out like a bandit?

Question: can the IT department of the employing company determine where are are working from via your IP address? Would that kill your idea?
11   HunterTits   2022 Apr 29, 9:16pm  

WineHorror1 says
You're idea is to make your employer believe you live in a place like San Francisco or other high cost area, correct?


Not just believe, but as far as the law and paper trail is concerned, actually is. :)

WineHorror1 says
If I got all of that correct, what are the numbers on how I make out like a bandit?


It depends on the individual. Where they really live. What they make in the Bay Area. What they their reduced cost of living is, etc. Like everything else, you have to run your own numbers.

What is the value to you of even being able to buy a house out of state vs Libtardia? There is that. Esp if you can put down 20% on a $250k - $300k house?

What would my mortgage, insurance, taxes be on that each month? $650 - $750 month? Meanwhile what if I make $200k-ish in Libtardia where I pay $2500/mo tor rent a two bedroom apt?

Fuuuck, I'd gladly pay 'rent' for that ADU to the tune of $300/mo additionally to have the sane housing costs out of state in the above numbers.

Meanwhile the ADU owner will make a killing, as I said.
12   Hircus   2022 Apr 29, 9:17pm  

How will you file your state and federal taxes? Will you pay taxes to both states? I'm not sure if you need to tell them what state you domicile in on federal taxes, but if so, what would you say?

I believe state and federal tax info is all shared back and forth and scanned for discrepancies as audit flags. Not sure if this could cause that.

I've heard domicile laws vary by state, and often use a days per year test.
13   HunterTits   2022 Apr 29, 9:18pm  

Hircus says
How will you file your state and federal taxes? Will you pay taxes to both states? I'm not sure if you need to tell them what state you domicile in on federal taxes, but if so, what would you say?


READ. I already explained all this. Twice now, I think.
14   FortwayeAsFuckJoeBiden   2022 Apr 29, 9:24pm  

i don’t see savings. pretty easy to rent a closet in an office building somewhere for an address.

might work better if you rent fictitious address in Florida to not pay CA taxes… at least savings.
15   Hircus   2022 Apr 29, 9:28pm  

HunterTits says

Hircus says
How will you file your state and federal taxes? Will you pay taxes to both states? I'm not sure if you need to tell them what state you domicile in on federal taxes, but if so, what would you say?


READ. I already explained all this. Twice now, I think.


No you didnt.
16   HunterTits   2022 Apr 29, 9:30pm  

FortwayeAsFuckJoeBiden says

i don’t see savings. pretty easy to rent a closet in an office building somewhere for an address.

might work better if you rent fictitious address in Florida to not pay CA taxes… at least savings.


You don't get it. Just proved it by what you just typed.
17   HunterTits   2022 Apr 29, 9:31pm  

Hircus says
No you didnt.


Oh yes I fucking did. Or it should be obvious based upon what I wrote.
18   AmericanKulak   2022 Apr 29, 9:31pm  

The Khalifa Babylon - Come out of her my people!

"Eh, there is such a massive collection of vehicle manufacturing and machining in Detroit, there's simply NO WAY my real estate holdings here will ever go down" - Detroit Real Estate HODLer, circa mid 70s.

"This is the bread basket of the Mediterranean. There's simply no way my olive groves here in Sicily will be worth less over time." - Sicilian, 1800s.

Sicily is really amazing, it truly was one of the most desirable locations for thousands of years. Now they can't give properties away. Small Islands that boasted tens of thousands of people not a century ago have to be evacuated, because the only ones left are a hundred or so elderly people and it's too expensive to supply them or get medical care there.
19   Hircus   2022 Apr 29, 9:34pm  

HunterTits says

Hircus says
No you didnt.


Oh yes I fucking did. Or it should be obvious based upon what I wrote.


You said vaugaries about paying taxes to 1 or 2 states. You said nothing of my question about federal.

Dont be such a twat.
20   HunterTits   2022 Apr 29, 9:35pm  

Lot of ppl failing to deal with this concept because it is outside their conceptual box. Some like Ft Wayne even try to then force it into their box instead.

Don't say that I didn't warn you. Predicted this from the get go.

Same token, I don't see why this us fucking hard to understand, either.
21   HunterTits   2022 Apr 29, 9:36pm  

Hircus says
You said vaugaries about paying taxes to 1 or 2 states. You said nothing of my question about federal.

Dont be such a twat.


No I didn't. I never said anything vague at all about where you pay income taxes. You pay in the state proven where you legally reside and work in. I was quite clear.
22   FortwayeAsFuckJoeBiden   2022 Apr 29, 9:39pm  

HunterTits says

FortwayeAsFuckJoeBiden says

i don’t see savings. pretty easy to rent a closet in an office building somewhere for an address.

might work better if you rent fictitious address in Florida to not pay CA taxes… at least savings.


You don't get it. Just proved it by what you just typed.


you asked, i answered, you complained… have it your way. don’t care
23   HunterTits   2022 Apr 29, 9:42pm  

Hircus says
You said nothing of my question about federal.


Where the flying fuck is this federal shit coming from?

It is the state tax returns that ask if you earned money out of state or moved in that tax year to another state.

Feds don't give a shit. They get their money unless you live in a US territory.
24   Hircus   2022 Apr 29, 9:48pm  

whatever you say. have fun if you get audited.
25   HunterTits   2022 Apr 29, 9:48pm  

FortwayeAsFuckJoeBiden says

you asked, i answered, you complained… have it your way. don’t care


WTF does this say. Right at the top of this post:

HunterTits says
Note: That means you have to actually fucking read through this and familiarize yourself with the details. Don't post critiques that only prove that you didn't do so. I will rip you a new asshole if you do.


I warned you. You didn't read that either, it seems.

Sorry to be a dick, but what you and Hircus keep saying is outright exasperating. Esp all the effort I put into detailing how this works.

Winehorror seems to get it. So I don't think the retardation is at my end.

This is an out-of-the-box-context thing. That means you have to pay attention to the details because if you don't, you brain will just fill in shit entirely based on pre-existing biases and conventions - which become immediately obvious when you post a comment.

I just love how some of you claim I say shit I never did, too. Those are the ones who really didn't pay any attention.
27   GNLusedtobeWine   2022 Apr 29, 10:03pm  

Questions I have...

1) would you have to pay taxes to 2 different states?
2) it would be in the ADU owner/subletter's best interest to make some kind of spreadsheet that would convince potential clients
it is worth doing, don't you think? If everything checks out, yes, I think this could be a great money maker.
3) Yes or No? Would tracking your IP address (every remote worker is going to be working on a computer) give your working location
away to your boss/IT department? If so, would this kill the idea?
28   SunnyvaleCA   2022 Apr 29, 11:48pm  

WineHorror1 says
Would tracking your IP address (every remote worker is going to be working on a computer) give your working location
away to your boss/IT department? If so, would this kill the idea?
The ADU has a little server room that hosts VPN software. ADU renters would get access to the VPN so it looks like you have a local IP address.
29   SunnyvaleCA   2022 Apr 29, 11:50pm  

Might as well do it in East Palo Alto. Nobody would notice the continuous rotation of occupants or if you stuff 5 or 10 people in the ADU.
31   HunterTits   2022 Apr 30, 12:53am  

WineHorror1 says
3) Yes or No? Would tracking your IP address (every remote worker is going to be working on a computer) give your working location


Who is going to track it? And it can be spoofed with a VPN. My VPN shows me being in Toronto, Ontario, for example.

WineHorror1 says
1) would you have to pay taxes to 2 different states?


How many ppl rent in the state they 'live' an work vs where their out-of-state himself is? Do they pay income taxes in both states?

Even when the laws are on the books to pursue ppl.who do, they are not enforced any more than the Use Tax is. Unless they want to politically punish you like NY city and state did to Rush Limbaugh after he moved to Florida. But even in that case he wasn't working remotely and there was a paper trail proving he was working in NYC.
32   HunterTits   2022 Apr 30, 12:59am  

SunnyvaleCA says
Nobody would notice the continuous rotation of occupants or if you stuff 5 or 10 people in the ADU.


I expressly said ther would be not be that many ppl at any time. As fir continues rotation, the apt next door to mine has that going on already. Dunno if they are AirBnBing or the property Mgr is doing it. Nothing is illegal about it.
33   HunterTits   2022 Apr 30, 1:01am  

SunnyvaleCA says
The ADU has a little server room that hosts VPN software. ADU renters would get access to the VPN so it looks like you have a local IP address


How and why would remote ADU subletters use it?
34   RWSGFY   2022 Apr 30, 7:31am  

Aren't there laws regulating how many people can legally live in a unit of a certain size?

Sure, slumlords violate them all the time, but if we are talking "strictly above the board" model this would be one of the obstacles.
35   Tenpoundbass   2022 Apr 30, 7:43am  

Why do you need an ADU?
The ADU most likely wont have its own address number, like 921-B or 922 if the main house was 921.
Why not just set everything up in a SFH inside the main house?

And to answer your question about the IRS laws being broken, just wait until they audit and find out you don't actually have an Office that you're adding to your itemized deductions.
36   HunterTits   2022 Apr 30, 7:48am  

RWSGFY says

Aren't there laws regulating how many people can legally live in a unit of a certain size?

Sure, slumlords violate them all the time, but if we are talking "strictly above the board" model this would be one of the obstacles.


How so? Not enforced proactively. Only if neighbors complain/report. Which they won't because at most would be one person/couple showing up at a time, much like if it were AirBnB'd.

Even the authorities in SF don't care when units are converted to de facto dorms.

And in this case, all that exists on paper at the landlord end is the lease between him and the out of state LLC/Corp that is subletting out.
37   Tenpoundbass   2022 Apr 30, 7:50am  

HunterTits says
READ. I already explained all this. Twice now, I think.


You have not explained Jack SHIT! You put together a loosely hobble thought about using your shed out back and putting in a bunch of computers and a fast internet connection, and then renting those remote workstations out as physical locations, for dishonest scofflaws to use around the country to evade local, state and Federal income taxes. What you're proposing isn't like a PO box.
Now that people are asking questions trying to understand what you're trying to do, you snap back "Read the damn thing!".

All we're trying to do is understand what we already read, do you want input or not? If anyone misunderstood what they read, then answer their question and enlighten them. Just barking out "Read the damn thing!" isn't a productive answer.
38   GNLusedtobeWine   2022 Apr 30, 7:56am  

I would be bet that people are asking questions or making comments because it sounds like a workable idea. If the idea were to hold up, I'd be very interested in investing/partnering.
39   HunterTits   2022 Apr 30, 8:01am  

Tenpoundbass says
You have not explained Jack SHIT


Just because you didn't bother to ficking read does n8t prove that I haven't Saud jack shit.

Example:

Tenpoundbass says
You put together a loosely hobble thought about using your shed out back and putting in a bunch of computers and a fast internet connection, and then renting those remote workstations out as physical locations


I.never said any of that bullshit you just wrote. None.

You just dreamed all that up on your own. Because you didn't bother to fucking read.

Here's another one you pulled out if your ass:

Tenpoundbass says
dishonest scofflaws to use around the country to evade local, state and Federal income taxes.


I never said ppl shouldn't pay their taxes. Quite the opposite.

Tenpoundbass says
All we're trying to do is understand what we already read, do you want input or not? If


Not from you and all the other total jackasses here who should go get jobs at CNN misrepresenting shit since that is clearly what you are doing now...simply because you are too intellectually lazy to FUCKING READ.

Just stay out of it. You're wasting ppl's time AND looking like a jackassed idiot at the same time. <--- fact, not opinion. You really fucked up TPB. It is embarrassing to see.
40   HunterTits   2022 Apr 30, 8:11am  

WineHorror1 says

I would be bet that people are asking questions or making comments because it sounds like a workable idea. If the idea were to hold up, I'd be very interested in investing/partnering.


@WineHorror1 Gets The Patnet Award For Having Reading Comprehension Skills That Don't Suck

Whereas @Tenpoundbass Gets The Patnet Award For Getting Thru Life With Shitty Reading Comprehension Skills.

So, moving forward. Finding a landlord who would set this up. One with decent reading comprehension skills is a must, as we have all learned here.

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