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2022 Apr 29, 9:29pm   599,885 views  5,618 comments

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https://finance.yahoo.com/news/pimco-kiesel-called-housing-top-160339396.html?source=patrick.net

Bond manager Mark Kiesel sold his California home in 2006, when he presciently predicted the housing bubble would pop. He bought again in 2012, after U.S. prices fell more than 30% and found a floor.

Now, after a record surge in prices, Kiesel says the time to sell is once again at hand.

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5602   WookieMan   2024 Nov 10, 10:04pm  

Watched part of the first link. Talking on a YouTube channel as an insurance adjuster is a big no no unless you're selling it. Adjusters get fired over it. I have a friend that worked on a case against me and he didn't tell me until after it was settled. This guy was likely sales and talking about adjusters.

If it rains and your property floods, it's a flood. This is fact. The people in NC that got wiped out it was a flood. Likely didn't have separate flood insurance. If it "comes from the sky" it's home owners insurance and if it "comes from the ground" it's a flood. Where the fuck does water come from? The sky. He contradicted himself out of the gate showing he doesn't know what he's talking about.

Fact is people didn't pay for flood insurance. Most don't or have to unless they're in a 100 year flood plain. They'll have to repair or foreclose if they don't have the cash. Water in your property is a flood. No flood insurance there will be no payout. I could watch more, but I know bull shit when I hear or see it. I've experienced floods. I've had to deal with multiple insurance claims. Get the right protection and it's no problem. If it's too expensive don't live in that spot. Plenty of areas to live that have almost zero chance of flooding.

TL:DR - Mother nature and other humans are a bitch. Expect the worst and get the right coverage for any of your needs. Never had a claim denied.
5603   stereotomy   2024 Nov 10, 10:22pm  

Nature is a bitch about FAFO. Choose insurance protection accordingly - if it's too expensive, you're living in the wrong place.
5604   Misc   2024 Nov 10, 10:33pm  

Thing is when there is a disaster, the government is always dragged kicking and screaming to "Help those poor People".

Just look at those homeowners in the landslide in California.

Flood insurance simply reduces the cost to the government somewhat.
5605   stereotomy   2024 Nov 10, 11:25pm  

My wife grew up in the Rio Grande Valley - "The Valley." She told me stories of shady developers who would build shit houses on flood plains and sell them to (most likely illegal) Mexican immigrants; these were called the Colinas. There would be a rainy season and the houses would wash away, there would be a great wailing and gnashing of teeth. The gub'ment would pay out to cover up the corruption of the developers and local gub'ment that colluded with the corrupt developers to defraud the poor fools who bought the crap housing.

Insurance is in collusion with the corrupt gub'ment.
5606   AD   2024 Nov 10, 11:36pm  

WookieMan says

If it "comes from the sky" it's home owners insurance and if it "comes from the ground" it's a flood.


yeah, in Florida, you have to show water damage was from rain coming down and throw the damage house structure like roof and windows, and not from the water level rising and flooding your home such as from a storm water retention pond in your backyard or from a flooded street

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5607   AD   2024 Nov 10, 11:45pm  

AmericanKulak says


Also of interest:
https://www.insurancebusinessmag.com/us/news/property/florida-insurers-deny-nearly-half-of-hurricane-claims-ratings-agency-says-508765.aspx


yes, the Florida insurance company denies about 1/2 the claims by stating the house was not in good condition such as the roof should have been replaced and it allowed water to come in from the storm

but what I don't understand is usually the insurance company will inspect the home each year, or at least when the home owner applies for the insurance

so if you are insured, it would be generally accepted or implied that the insurance company approves of the condition of your home like the condition of the roof

i know the insurance company went into my attic to verify the roof clips or straps and to inspect the entire home like check the electric power panel , hot water heater, etc

the insurance company told my friend who lives within a mile of the beach that he had to replace his roof cause it was at least 20 years old if he wanted to keep his insurance coverage

as far as risk mitigation but related to automobile insurance industry, Virginia requires annual car inspections which means essentially only road-worthy vehicles are being driven

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5608   AmericanKulak   2024 Nov 11, 2:57am  

stereotomy says


Nature is a bitch about FAFO. Choose insurance protection accordingly - if it's too expensive, you're living in the wrong place.

And politicians. If you can't sue with loser pays, the politician and insurers get their ways - after pocketing all your premiums for years and then dropping you the moment you go to collect on damage.

The insurers that aren't complete shits and run on pure numbers and risk assessment exist only for well-off clients or in economics textbooks.The rest capture more profit by not paying out. This is because those who could self-insure are still better off spreading their risk with well-run, pure math oriented insurers - but those insurers only work in the free market of the self-insured.
5609   AmericanKulak   2024 Nov 11, 3:07am  

One guy got a desk adjuster sending him "Termites are responsible for the floor and wall damage"

Dude is like "Uh, I live in a concrete block house. There isn't any wood at the surface level nor for 8 feet. Just concrete block, stucco, and rebar. My claim is not for my roof. It's for my walls."
5610   WookieMan   2024 Nov 11, 7:49am  

AD says

WookieMan says

If it "comes from the sky" it's home owners insurance and if it "comes from the ground" it's a flood.

yeah, in Florida, you have to show water damage was from rain coming down and throw the damage house structure like roof and windows, and not from the water level rising and flooding your home such as from a storm water retention pond in your backyard or from a flooded street

I get the point, but if a retention pond overflows that's rain. Either way, buy/build where you're on the high ground, as much as you can. Hard in FL. We bought the two highest lots topographically in our subdivision. It would take over 20" of water to flood our land.

Like I said. Dealt with a flood as a teenager. My dad was an ass hole and I had to rehab the basement up to 4' while he was golfing. So I take flooding pretty seriously and will pre-plan and engineer for flooding protection on the build. I've mentioned it before, but hope to hold 2-4k gallons in underground tanks from roof run off. Pool will get some. Nat Gas generator to run the house and sump pumps to flood my neighbors on lower ground... lol.

Tornados I fear the the most, but for whatever reason they stay to the south of us. Not sure if it has to do with Lake Michigan messing with weather. There was one northwest of us that was weird. I think that was an F3 or 4.
5611   AmericanKulak   2024 Nov 12, 2:48am  

Over 5000 Ford Trucks from 2023 remain unsold in the USA as we enter 2025. Nobody in their target market is remotely considering paying what Ford wants ($70k+) for the F-150 and Bronco Raptors.

Nissan cutting 9000 jobs (global).

Stellantis earnings will be a blood bath. Rubicons piling up and the rest of the vehicle lineup, or, like Ford, ludicrously overpriced Trucks.

Volkswagon, which avoids lay offs like crazy, is shutting multiple plants, laying off thousands, and cutting wages in a massive shock move.

The dealers don't want the trade ins, but the under-pressure buyers won't buy without a good deal on a trade in. Used cars don't move because there are no 3-4% dealer incentives on Used, only New. 11.3% is the average used car loan rate now.

How did car companies overproduce expensive vehicles no one wants? Probably misreading the market with all the cash handouts Xiden did.

I mention this because Cars and Housing are two big expenses.
5612   WookieMan   2024 Nov 12, 4:08am  

AmericanKulak says

Used cars don't move because there are no 3-4% dealer incentives on Used, only New. 11.3% is the average used car loan rate now.

Where in the fuck do you buy a car with that interest rate? Even used. That's a 590 credit score if getting a loan. Have never been over 8% in my lifetime and always buy used. That's just shitty credit. I have current collections (medical) and my score is still 700.
5613   Booger   2024 Nov 12, 5:14am  

AmericanKulak says

How did car companies overproduce expensive vehicles no one wants? Probably misreading the market


Just like the housing market, the automakers will always satisfy the most profitable portion of the marketplace first during a time of shortage. Now that shortages are over, in theory, you should see more affordable new car options become available. But auto manufacturing has a long lead time, so it's going to take a while. Plus auto manufacturers have always hated their clientele that buys the lower priced vehicles, so they are in no hurry to accommodate.

The more puzzling thing is that the one thing automakers haven't done yet, that they should have done already is to bring back lower trim levels. That I think is something that they can do in a short period time.
5614   AD   2024 Nov 13, 8:45pm  

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https://nypost.com/2024/11/12/real-estate/floridas-crumbling-home-prices-havent-been-this-bad-since-2011/

I figure for every 1% increase in the 30 Yr mortgage rate, there should be a drop of 10% in prices. So just on that, prices should be 40% below there early 2022 levels.

Factoring in that household income has risen about 20% since early 2022, then home prices should be about 20 to 25% below early 2022 levels.

Our townhome about 2 miles from the beach in the Florida panhandle had a peak value of around $330,000 in early 2022. So it should be around $264,000.

We bought it for around $187,000 in 2016, so it would appreciate 4.25% annually to around $264,000.

Everything "returns to the mean" when figuring home prices historically increase about 4% a year.

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5615   AmericanKulak   2024 Nov 13, 8:55pm  

WookieMan says


Where in the fuck do you buy a car with that interest rate? Even used. That's a 590 credit score if getting a loan. Have never been over 8% in my lifetime and always buy used. That's just shitty credit. I have current collections (medical) and my score is still 700.

Wild, right?

This is several months out of date, but they list the average rate for a used for Prime (~680) credit as 9.3%

https://www.nerdwallet.com/article/loans/auto-loans/average-car-loan-interest-rates-by-credit-score

Shouldn't be a shock. Rate Hawks are demanding a higher ROI despite the Fed Cuts because they don't think inflation is whipped.

Again, when you look at leases and the financing for new vehicles, buying used at the outrageous prices they're asking is absurd. It used to be 100 miles off the lot and a third of the value was gone. Because of COVID and exporting low mileage used vehicles abroad, now 50k mileage, 5 year old vehicles have an ask of only 30-40% below (today's!) new.
5616   AmericanKulak   2024 Nov 13, 8:58pm  

Another one.


It's the same chart, but still out of date:


https://www.experian.com/blogs/ask-experian/average-car-loan-interest-rates-by-credit-score/

Imagine paying over $500mo. for a used car that isn't a collectible or a super high end or specialty vehicle.

If you figure the mean credit score (think Single Moms and Millennial hoebags with massive college and Ulta Beauty credit cards) is about 640-650, 11% sounds right.

The Car Market is going to be wild.

Fortunately my lease isn't up until March. I think I might just get another lease on a lower end vehicle since I don't want to be a bagholder in case the prices don't really collapse until next summer or beyond.
5617   AD   2024 Nov 14, 12:08am  

AmericanKulak says


https://www.experian.com/blogs/ask-experian/average-car-loan-interest-rates-by-credit-score/

Imagine paying over $500mo. for a used car that isn't a collectible or a super high end or specialty vehicle.


My wife and I got lucky in 2021 with a Honda CRV from Panama City Toyota at a 1.5% rate for 6 years, though it was tough to negotiate as they only knocked down the MSRP price by $500 and they threw in a few extras like mats. Our monthly payment is around $450.

Never seen a car dealership that busy as we had to wait to see a sales rep.
5618   gabbar   2024 Nov 14, 2:43am  

AD says


My wife and I got lucky in 2021 with a Honda CRV from Panama City Toyota at a 1.5% rate for 6 years, though it was tough to negotiate as they only knocked down the MSRP price by $500 and they threw in a few extras like mats. Our monthly payment is around $450.


Does it have CVT? If yes, consider changing transmission fluid at every 30 to 40k miles.

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