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Tenpoundbass
2022 May 7, 12:00pm
Tenpoundbass
2022 May 7, 12:00pm
Not unless the media and Obama shadow regime goads him into it.
The way thy begged Putin to invade Ukraine they might.
The way thy begged Putin to invade Ukraine they might.
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richwicks
2022 May 7, 12:34pm
richwicks
2022 May 7, 12:34pm
We are more likely to endure a false flag attack, than Russia using a nuclear weapon.
We have lunatics in charge. Russia doesn't. I can understand their reasoning and justifications, but I cannot understand the reasoning and justification of my own government because my government is run by lunatics. We have a completely insane government.
I live in a country where men who "identify as women" are women. How fucking nuts do we have to go to deny reality? This is our nation now, or at least, our government. Our completely insane government. January 6th was an insurrection, but 9 months of riots where they burned down city blocks, murdered people, and looted stores - that was just "mostly peaceful protests".
I can't be gaslit anymore.
We have lunatics in charge. Russia doesn't. I can understand their reasoning and justifications, but I cannot understand the reasoning and justification of my own government because my government is run by lunatics. We have a completely insane government.
I live in a country where men who "identify as women" are women. How fucking nuts do we have to go to deny reality? This is our nation now, or at least, our government. Our completely insane government. January 6th was an insurrection, but 9 months of riots where they burned down city blocks, murdered people, and looted stores - that was just "mostly peaceful protests".
I can't be gaslit anymore.
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richwicks
2022 May 7, 2:31pm
richwicks
2022 May 7, 2:31pm
HunterTits says
We may have been lied to about the Cold War, but if we were not - this is no joke. If this is the case, the lunatics that run our nation (and they are lunatics regardless) are risking a nuclear war over nothing important.
We deal with the consequences of their insane actions, and so will your children, and all the young.
If the Russians are at risk becoming a joke when it comes to conventional military operations, then the likelihood increases Putin does a Japan on the Ukraine.
We may have been lied to about the Cold War, but if we were not - this is no joke. If this is the case, the lunatics that run our nation (and they are lunatics regardless) are risking a nuclear war over nothing important.
We deal with the consequences of their insane actions, and so will your children, and all the young.
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Misc
2022 May 8, 12:17am
There are certain escalations Russia would take before using tactical nukes in the Ukraine.
They are just now starting to target some of Ukraine's infrastructure, which they did not do until recently. That being the railroads and some refinery operations.
The more things go wrong for Russia, the more they up the stakes on what they target.
They haven't even stopped most trade with Europe. It was just last week that Putin got around to having his planners start to detail major trade impediments on his export markets. He gave them like 10 days to come up with the list. The deadline will hit near the end of the coming week. Expect some Euroweenie gnashing of theeth when the new trade positions are outlined. This upps the pressure on the EU. Putin is not escalating all at once (like having done this weeks ago). No, he feels quite convinced that he will win the engagement in the Ukraine with the assets he presently has. He will incrementally increase pressure both economically as well as militarily.
Before he would use tactical nukes, he would obviously use conventional weapons to destroy the Ukraine's power grid. The lights and electricity work just fine in the Ukraine for now. Turning off the lights would be a major escalation. It would be after that point that I would worry about battlefield nukes being used.
They are just now starting to target some of Ukraine's infrastructure, which they did not do until recently. That being the railroads and some refinery operations.
The more things go wrong for Russia, the more they up the stakes on what they target.
They haven't even stopped most trade with Europe. It was just last week that Putin got around to having his planners start to detail major trade impediments on his export markets. He gave them like 10 days to come up with the list. The deadline will hit near the end of the coming week. Expect some Euroweenie gnashing of theeth when the new trade positions are outlined. This upps the pressure on the EU. Putin is not escalating all at once (like having done this weeks ago). No, he feels quite convinced that he will win the engagement in the Ukraine with the assets he presently has. He will incrementally increase pressure both economically as well as militarily.
Before he would use tactical nukes, he would obviously use conventional weapons to destroy the Ukraine's power grid. The lights and electricity work just fine in the Ukraine for now. Turning off the lights would be a major escalation. It would be after that point that I would worry about battlefield nukes being used.
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AmericanKulak
2022 May 8, 12:44am
AmericanKulak
2022 May 8, 12:44am
Misc says
That's a two way street: Europe hasn't stopped sending Euros to Russia for gas while coming up with reasons to delay sending any substantial aid to the Ukraine on the level of MENA Refugees or bailing out DeutscheBank
They haven't even stopped most trade with Europe
That's a two way street: Europe hasn't stopped sending Euros to Russia for gas while coming up with reasons to delay sending any substantial aid to the Ukraine on the level of MENA Refugees or bailing out DeutscheBank
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RWSGFY
2022 May 8, 9:03am
RWSGFY
2022 May 8, 9:03am
Misc says
The fallacy here is the assumption that Russia can do stuff like "destroy Ukraine's power grid" at will. They would do that if they coud, and they obviously tried, but the capability is just not there. They can't do it with aviation because they never achieved air superiority and their cruise missiles are apparently not presize enough. And as they dig deeper into their stockpiles are getting less and less presize. They are now launching X-55s - old Soviet missiles (600 of which were, ironically, given to them by Ukraine as part of that infamous "nukes in exchange to security guarantees" agreement). And their military talking head - Konashenkov - has openly admitted that they are launching anti-ship Onyx missiles against ground targets like railroad stations and such. These are not effective for that purpose.
It means that the fuckers have practically lost the capability to "shock and awe" their opponent with anything conventional. (Some say the barrage of the first week of the war WAS their attempt of "shock and awe" and it was far from being shocking or awesome).
The problem with using nukes us that there is currently a standing UN resolution (ironically with Ruzzia as one of the sponsors) which allows that if once a first nuclear strike against a non-nuclear country happens any country can then legally retaliate in any way they seem appropriate (up to nukes), no new resolution necessary.
Looks like the overt warning issued by the UK (and followed by covert warnings from the US and France) is what has lead to top Ruzzian officials like Volodin starting the frantic backpedal on the subject of the first nuke strike.
Besides, tactical nuke is not a wunderwaffe by any stretch, so the risk-reward equasion tilts heavily against using one.
There are certain escalations Russia would take before using tactical nukes in the Ukraine.
They are just now starting to target some of Ukraine's infrastructure, which they did not do until recently. That being the railroads and some refinery operations.
The more things go wrong for Russia, the more they up the stakes on what they target.
They haven't even stopped most trade with Europe. It was just last week that Putin got around to having his planners start to detail major trade impediments on his export markets. He gave them like 10 days to come up with the list. The deadline will hit near the end of the coming week. Expect some Euroweenie gnashing of theeth when the new trade positions are outlined. This upps the pressure on the EU. Putin is not escalating all at once (like having done this weeks ago). No, he feels quite convinced that he will win the engagement in the Ukraine with the assets he presently has. He will incrementally increase pressure b...
The fallacy here is the assumption that Russia can do stuff like "destroy Ukraine's power grid" at will. They would do that if they coud, and they obviously tried, but the capability is just not there. They can't do it with aviation because they never achieved air superiority and their cruise missiles are apparently not presize enough. And as they dig deeper into their stockpiles are getting less and less presize. They are now launching X-55s - old Soviet missiles (600 of which were, ironically, given to them by Ukraine as part of that infamous "nukes in exchange to security guarantees" agreement). And their military talking head - Konashenkov - has openly admitted that they are launching anti-ship Onyx missiles against ground targets like railroad stations and such. These are not effective for that purpose.
It means that the fuckers have practically lost the capability to "shock and awe" their opponent with anything conventional. (Some say the barrage of the first week of the war WAS their attempt of "shock and awe" and it was far from being shocking or awesome).
The problem with using nukes us that there is currently a standing UN resolution (ironically with Ruzzia as one of the sponsors) which allows that if once a first nuclear strike against a non-nuclear country happens any country can then legally retaliate in any way they seem appropriate (up to nukes), no new resolution necessary.
Looks like the overt warning issued by the UK (and followed by covert warnings from the US and France) is what has lead to top Ruzzian officials like Volodin starting the frantic backpedal on the subject of the first nuke strike.
Besides, tactical nuke is not a wunderwaffe by any stretch, so the risk-reward equasion tilts heavily against using one.
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NuttBoxer
2022 Sep 14, 8:05pm
NuttBoxer
2022 Sep 14, 8:05pm
No. This is just more fearmongering a la the War of Terror. But now we're back to recycling Russian fear-porn, even the DOD has run out of new material.
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GNL
2022 Sep 14, 10:30pm
GNL
2022 Sep 14, 10:30pm
ohomen171 says
I am not worried because I have been assured by a few Patnetters that Russia is a backwater and their nukes aren't worth shit.
In the White House and Pentagon, large numbers of specialists are engaging in contingency planning in case Putin launches nuclear weapons.
I am not worried because I have been assured by a few Patnetters that Russia is a backwater and their nukes aren't worth shit.
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stereotomy
2022 Sep 14, 10:37pm
stereotomy
2022 Sep 14, 10:37pm
In the last 2 days I've seen 3 C130 transport planes departing from the airport near me (I'm under the flight path). These looked like Air Force - matte dark grey.
Shit is heating up.
Shit is heating up.
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GreaterNYCDude
2022 Sep 24, 7:20pm
Let's take the long view. We dropped two small (by modern standards) on Japan and as horrible as it was in terms of human loss and suffering from the fallout thereafter, life went on.
Even if he gives the order to launch, I don't see Putin unleashing the full Russian arsenal all at once. One or two on key targets, perhaps but not more than that. More importantly what would the US do in response? With this administration probably nothing. They wouldn't want to escalate. Who else would have the balls to step up and lob a nuke at Mother Russia if not the USA? Britain? France? Isreal?
This also assumes the missiles are able to launch AND reach their intended target. No guarantee based on what we've heard comming out of Ukraine. (Much of which is likely propaganda, on both sides)
Bottom line is even if Putin goes scorched earth (literally) it dosen't necessarily equate to arrmageddon.
Even if he gives the order to launch, I don't see Putin unleashing the full Russian arsenal all at once. One or two on key targets, perhaps but not more than that. More importantly what would the US do in response? With this administration probably nothing. They wouldn't want to escalate. Who else would have the balls to step up and lob a nuke at Mother Russia if not the USA? Britain? France? Isreal?
This also assumes the missiles are able to launch AND reach their intended target. No guarantee based on what we've heard comming out of Ukraine. (Much of which is likely propaganda, on both sides)
Bottom line is even if Putin goes scorched earth (literally) it dosen't necessarily equate to arrmageddon.
"Either I will have everything that I want, or I will have nothing!"
In other words, people were bracing for a horrible civil war like Syria is still experiencing. The true nightmare scenario was that the Afrikaaner government would use its six nuclear warheads if defeat appeared imminent.
Amid all the fear, stress, and grim foreboding, an obscure female journalist wrote an Op-Ed in the Johannesburg Star. She urged calm. She pointed out that the average white Afrikaaner lived a life of comfort and affluence. They would not give up their comfortable life to "go into the bush and wage war."
I read this article 30 years ago. This humble woman got it right. There was a peaceful transition to majority rule.
Now we are facing another fearful moment. Russia has made serious threats of employing nuclear weapons because of the war in Ukraine. Very affluent people in Europe, the US, Canada, and I suspect, Russia are building bomb shelters on their properties. Iodine pills and Geiger counters are selling in large quantities. In the White House and Pentagon, large numbers of specialists are engaging in contingency planning in case Putin launches nuclear weapons.
At this dark moment, another humble journalist has stepped up to bring calm to a frightened and paranoid world. Arkady Ostrovsky is a name you have not heard. He is the Moscow correspondent for The Economist Magazine. I have been fortunate to have spent many hours in Zoom meetings with Arkady. He dresses and looks like a humble and modest man. If you encountered him in a restaurant or tavern, you would pay scant attention to him. You would assume that he was a low-level bureaucrat or supervisor in some small company.
Arkady is a man of awesome intellect. He has a social network inside Russia without equal. The wealthy and powerful as well as those in strategic positions of power "whisper in his ear." Arkady has interviewed Putin many times. He has spent a lot of time with him in social settings.
When the war started in Ukraine, he was spirited out of Russia and now works out of an undisclosed London office. He made a point to discuss the possibility of Putin using tactical nuclear weapons in Ukraine and Europe. He dismissed this possibility. He calmly pointed out that the Russian military officers delegated to care for, and fire nuclear weapons would refuse to carry out launch orders coming from Putin. He said that after this refusal to carry out his orders, Putin would be removed from office.