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Tenpoundbass says

Let's be real, Russia would have surrendered or offered a ceasefire truce by now, if they were really this astonishingly outclassed.

I stand by this, Putin can not afford to expose this level of feckless military prowess if they were this under qualified to invade a small shithole like Ukraine.
Losing Ukraine after such a sad display would open him up to China taking back 80% of Russia Western front, which is a continuation of the Mongolian steppe, and is populated mostly by Chinese Hun and Han people.

here is interesting pattern i noticed on the nees guys.

ukraine disppears from news
suddenly comes back some fake news about them winning
next day few more billions sent to ukraine.

its as if they are trying to constantly sell us on more foreign aid.

FortwayeAsFuckJoeBiden says

ukraine disppears from news
suddenly comes back some fake news about them winning
next day few more billions sent to ukraine.

its as if they are trying to constantly sell us on more foreign aid.

BINGO!

How it escapes anyone that Ukraine fell off the map after the 30 billon was approved for them, is beyond my grasp.
Kissinger told Zelinski to surrender the day after the check cashed.

Bd6r says

RWSGFY says

Ruscist forces kicked out of the Snake Island as of today

THAT WAS A GESTURE OF GOOD WILL!!!

ROFLMAO. The fuckers actually said that!

mostly reader says

The fuckers actually said that!

Thinking like Putler does is easy.

https://twitter.com/CovertShores/status/1542457948944973827

RTFLMAO: https://twitter.com/UAWeapons/status/1542974596558774277?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw

FortwayeAsFuckJoeBiden says

here is interesting pattern i noticed on the nees guys.

ukraine disppears from news
suddenly comes back some fake news about them winning
next day few more billions sent to ukraine.

its as if they are trying to constantly sell us on more foreign aid.

What? Disappears how? There was a bombing of a shopping mall 3 days ago. Hardly "disappears" and hardly "only news about winning". News about Putin's war crimes - sure, there are plenty of these.

And enough with this feeble whining about our aid to Ukraine against this illegal and genocydal war: the whole package costs only $120 per US person. Have some decency to at least whine about real money, not fucking pocket change.

HunterTits says

And yet, Ukraine is still fucked.

Well, they were always an obvious underdog in this fight. Still remain one. But Russia is getting fucked back to the chagrin of all the cucks, big (like Kissinger, Macron and Sholz) and small, like, well, there are too many to list.

HunterTits says

Eric Holder says

But Russia is getting fucked back to the chagrin of all the cucks, big (like Kissinger, Macron and Sholz) and small, like, well, there are too many to list.

What use is a fleet that will always be bottled up in the Black Sea?

Tits on a bull.

Its purpose was always to dominate and eventually help to conquer and absorb the neighboring Black Sea countries (Ukraine, Moldova, Georgia). Otherwise it's no match for Turkish Navy, let alone US Sixth Fleet.

Zelenskyy and his henchmen have been buying up multimillion dollar mansions in Switzerland! $27 million worth so far!
Something tells me he isn’t optimistic for “winning” this war, but thanks to the USA he has $60 billion to feather his post war nest!

RWSGFY says

RWSGFY says

https://www.navalnews.com/naval-news/2022/05/how-the-russian-navy-is-losing-dominance-the-curse-of-snake-island/?source=patrick.net

The island is essentially indefensible without effective area air defense. And right now neither side looks like it could achieve that.

Yeah, you're right about that, and what strategic importance does it have? Russia realizes it makes errors and corrects. Wish we had a military like that. But nope - no matter what kind of fuckup our military does, no matter how fucking obvious it is, they double down, triple down, quadruple down. They just make the error worse. Every stage doubles the cost, and problems. The US will kill a million people before they admit they made a mistake and correct it.

Eric Holder says

What? Disappears how? There was a bombing of a shopping mall 3 days ago. Hardly "disappears" and hardly "only news about winning". News about Putin's war crimes - sure, there are plenty of these.

Supposedly, the mall has been abandoned for years, SUPPOSEDLY.

However, Israel just recently bombed the airport in Damascus. I bet none of you heard that.

https://syrianews.cc/israel-bombs-damascus-international-airport-dam-main-runway-at-dawn/

Russian Black Sea Fleet is too scared to have a parade in Sebastopol today. This is as neutered as it gets.

RWSGFY says

Russian Black Sea Fleet is too scared to have a parade in Sebastopol today. This is as neutered as it gets.

It's like US Navy being too scared to have a parade in NS Norfolk, LOL. Scared of an adversary with no fleet to speak of.

Turns out the recently bombed Saki airfield in Crimea hosted a naval aviation regiment of Black Sea Fleet. And we thought that poor fleet can't be neutered any further...

Shaman says

Zelenskyy and his henchmen have been buying up multimillion dollar mansions in Switzerland! $27 million worth so far!

Interesting. Any proof? Not to mention that $27 mil in Swiss mansions for Zelensky AND ALL HIS HENCHMEN is a bit low. Unless they are into double-bunking, LOL.

Heck, it is low even for the East fucking Bay.

Failure of imagination?

if i believed every story about Ukraine war, Russian army would be gone, Ukrainians would be in Kremlin by now. opposite of reality.

every time msm talks Ukraine winning, it results in them buying support fir more war spending. because hard to sell soending on a lost cause. im very tired if permanent billions of our tax dollars going to some place god knows where overseas for wars we shouldn’t be in.

FortwayeAsFuckJoeBiden says

if i believed every story about Ukraine war, Russian army would be gone, Ukrainians would be in Kremlin by now. opposite of reality.

every time msm talks Ukraine winning, it results in them buying support fir more war spending. because hard to sell soending on a lost cause. im very tired if permanent billions of our tax dollars going to some place god knows where overseas for wars we shouldn’t be in.

So the fact that a 2nd army in the world which took 10 month to prepare for invasion of a neighbor ranking 20 notches below in military strenghts can't achieve any of the original (and revised for a dozen of times already) goals in 6 month is just business as usual to you?

What's there to "believe"? The facts are laid bare to everybody to see: the attacker is failing to overpower the victim and failing badly. Lost the fucking flagship of the fleet to the adversary with no fleet at all. Last time such a loss happened was in 19-fucking-04 but even then the adversary had a formiddable fleet.

The "paper tiger" US military was done with Iraqi army in 22 days. That's a fact. It took mighty non-gay non-woke awesome ads-running Ruscists army 3 month to take a town of 100K people of which nobody ever heard before (Sieverodonetsk). Another fact.

Nothing to "believe" here - observing is enough.

They are now asking for ceasefire and negotiations - another fact. (Voiced by Putin, Lavrov, Shreoder).

Why would somebody who's winning the fight ask for timeout and negotiations? Why not just finish the job and dictate the conditions of peace? Because they can't do it? Any other reason?

See, no need to believe anyhing - observing facts is enough.

RWSGFY says

FortwayeAsFuckJoeBiden says

if i believed every story about Ukraine war, Russian army would be gone, Ukrainians would be in Kremlin by now. opposite of reality.

every time msm talks Ukraine winning, it results in them buying support fir more war spending. because hard to sell soending on a lost cause. im very tired if permanent billions of our tax dollars going to some place god knows where overseas for wars we shouldn’t be in.

So the fact that a 2nd army in the world which took 10 month to prepare for invasion of a neighbor ranking 20 notches below in military strenghts can't achieve any of the original (and revised for a dozen of times already) goals in 6 month is just business as usual to you?

What's there to "believe"? The facts are laid bare to everybody to see: the attacker is failing to overpower the victim and failing badly. Lost the fucking flagship ...

they took half the ukraine. pretty much in like how we did iraq. i don’t see anything out of norm here. poor ukrainians are fucked, and we are funding more war there.

If everything is going so well we surely should stop funding this useless war and proceed to negotiations... oh wait...

Why are we even in Ukraine?

What has Hunter Biden said himself?

In an October interview with ABC News, Biden said he and his father never discussed specifics of his work with Ukraine. He also said he earned his seat because of his previous work as an attorney and experience on the board of Amtrak and the United Nations World Food Program.

"I had as much knowledge as anybody else that was on that board, if not more," he said.

When asked if he would have been invited onto the Burisma board if he’d had a different last name, he said, "I don’t know. Probably not."

https://www.politifact.com/article/2019/dec/16/silence-year-what-did-hunter-biden-do-burisma/

Onvacation says

Why are we even in Ukraine?

Nuclear non-proliferation.

RWSGFY says

The "paper tiger" US military was done with Iraqi army in 22 days. That's a fact

Jesus fucking christ. Whenever I hear this delusional bullshit, just makes my head swim.

Is the US done in Syria? How about Afghanistan? Libya? Yemen? Somalia?

Yeah, those were all 'won" in 30 days too, and other bullshit fantasies of the Neocunt assholes that have bankrupted this nation in pointless wars for 20 years.

FortwayeAsFuckJoeBiden says

they took half the ukraine

Nope, not even 20%. And then they made no meaningful progress in 4 month. And now they have a very interesting situation in Kherson where 20-30 battalion tactical groups are stuck behind a mile-wide river with just two pontoon ferries connecting them to the rest of their forces (the 3 bridges they used to move in are now kaput thanks to "non working gay paper tiger" HIMARS MLRS provided by US. Makes one wonder if Kherson was a feint all along....

"We are soooo winning, PLEASE MAKE THEM TALK TO US ASAP OR WE'LL WIN EVEN HARDER!" :

Washington, in order to avoid defeat, should force Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky to return to the negotiating table with Russia, this would be the best solution for the United States. This was announced on August 13 by Alexander Darchiev, Director of the North American Department of the Russian Foreign Ministry.

“The best solution for Washington to avoid a humiliating defeat, as recently happened in Afghanistan, would be to force Zelensky to stop senseless resistance and return to the negotiating table before it’s too late,” he said in an interview with TASS.

https://iz.ru/1379129/2022-08-13/mid-rf-prizval-vashington-zastavit-zelenskogo-vernutsia-k-peregovoram

richwicks says

RWSGFY says

The "paper tiger" US military was done with Iraqi army in 22 days. That's a fact

Jesus fucking christ. Whenever I hear this delusional bullshit, just makes my head swim.

What exactly is "dilusional bullshit" here? How long did it take for US to take out Saddam's force and take Baghdad in your weird Russian world? More than 22 days? Less? Do share.

mell says

If everything is going so well we surely should stop funding this useless war and proceed to negotiations... oh wait...

Yeah, this is exactly what Russia is asking for - to stop providing weapons and proceed to negotiations:

https://patrick.net/post/1345035/2022-05-09-russian-black-sea-fleet-is-practically?start=15#comment-1867879

But Ukrainians, for some weird reason, don't think Russia deserves a piece of their land. This is because of Hunter Biden for sure, no other reason.

richwicks says

Is the US done in Syria? How about Afghanistan? Libya? Yemen? Somalia?

Yeah, those were all 'won" in 30 days too

I'm talking about the combined arms operation like Russia is doing in Ukraine, not some insurgency. Like we had in first 22 days in Iraq and first 2 weeks in Afghanistan and never had in Lybia, Yemen or Somalia. If you don't understand the difference why are you even talking about military shit? Go read some books, beef up your understanding on military matters and then we'll talk. Otherwise it's boring and meaningless - your girly incoherent screams get old very fast.

Onvacation says

Why are we even in Ukraine?

Multiple reasons. The overall reason for all the wars is that the United States is trying to make Europe dependent on US energy production, which is produced by US proxies in the Middle East. Cut Russia off from being able to export to Europe, and Europe is dependent on the Middle East for energy. I have a friend in Switzerland, they are told they will be experiencing energy blackouts during the winter.

There's more minor issues, like the usual money laundering and graft by the goal is to isolate Russia economically. The US, hypocritically, talks about press freedom and human rights, but they don't care about that when it comes to Saudi Arabia, Iraq, or Syria. The US is King Hypocrite of the world now.

Europe is intentionally being weakened with the refugees the US has been intentionally creating for the last 20 years. It appears that the strategy of the United States is that instead of building up this country, it's to destroy everybody else.

I don't think the US really has any conflict with China, instead the US is following China's lead. I doubt the US cares about Taiwan, Japan is already in demographic collapse apparently peaking in 2015. They have about as many births now as they did in 1890.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Japan_animated_population_pyramid.gif

richwicks says

The overall reason for all the wars is that the United States is trying to make Europe dependent on US energy production, which is produced by US proxies in the Middle East. Cut Russia off from being able to export to Europe, and Europe is dependent on the Middle East for energy.

I like it. Realpolitik at its best. I wish US was that devious and coherent in their foreign politics IRL.

But good thing you're finally off the shit like bioWEAPONSlabs, "gay corrupt nazi clowns" and such. This doesn't address the Putin's admission that he is after adding lands to the empire a-la Peter the Great though. Shall we just forget it and pretend that never happened?

Hugh_Mongous says

I'm talking about the combined arms operation like Russia is doing in Ukraine, not some insurgency. Like we had in first 22 days in Iraq and first 2 weeks in Afghanistan and never had in Lybia, Yemen or Somalia. If you don't understand the difference why are you even talking about military shit?

Fuck stupid definitions which are just designed to make our disastrous foreign policy look good.

Hugh_Mongous says

Go read some books, beef up your understanding on military matters and then we'll talk. Otherwise it's boring and meaningless - your girly incoherent screams get old very fast.

Look, the United States is being destroyed by a 5th column, who precisely that is, I can guess, but I don't worry about it.

None of the past 20 years of US foreign policy has done anything to help this nation. COMPLETELY ignoring any moral bullshit about it, it's done nothing but damage the wealth and credibility of the United States.

The United States just sent the ENTIRE MILITARY BUDGET of Russia to Ukraine. They're still going to lose. I doubt less than 10% of the money even gets there. It won't be long before US forces and NATO is in that fucking mess. The second NATO goes in, Russian pipelines turn off, people will be freezing in Europe, and if goes on much longer, there's going to mass starvation in Eastern Europe but food is a fungible commodity so it might just lead to mass starvation. There will be unrest in Europe, in terms of crime because an entire dependent class (the "refugees") are going to be put into a desperate situation.

None of this bullshit is "war". If this was a war, nuclear weapons would have been used. This is just stupid fucking corrupt US foreign policy controlled by the insane, inept, Neocons who ONLY fall upward. None of these bastards no matter how much they fuck up, ever get replaced by competents. The people running US foreign policy don't care about the United States.

All this is doing is destroying Europe, Russia, and the United States. Good fucking plan.

Hugh_Mongous says

mell says

If everything is going so well we surely should stop funding this useless war and proceed to negotiations... oh wait...

Yeah, this is exactly what Russia is asking for - to stop providing weapons and proceed to negotiations:

https://patrick.net/post/1345035/2022-05-09-russian-black-sea-fleet-is-practically?start=15#comment-1867879

But Ukrainians, for some weird reason, don't think Russia deserves a piece of their land. This is because of Hunter Biden for sure, no other reason.

Most Ukrainians do not want to fight for their corrupt US puppet leader, they just want this war to end. Most would be happy with a diplomatic solution for donbass and crimea and neutrality. Fuck both putin and zelinsky. Surely the US should not spend a another dime on it but in fact return the money pedo xiden, crackhead hunter and the rest of the gang stole from the American citizens.

Hugh_Mongous says

But good thing you're finally off the shit like bioWEAPONSlabs,

No, there are bioweapons labs. Do you know what the excuse for them are? Supposedly they are constructing deadly pathogens to try to find cures for them in case

1) an enemy makes the EXACT same pathogen
2) researchers just LUCKILY found the cure to that precise pathogen

It's ridiculous. They are bioweapons labs. If they stumble on something that effectively kills a population and they develop a vaccine or treatment for it, they'll just release it at the first opportunity. The sars-cov2-19 "pandemic" was probably a test of this. That came out of a "research" lab, a BSL5 lab. Would explain why it wasn't deadly, it would explain all the LUDICROUS restrictions, they're training us for biological warfare.

Generally anything done has MULTIPLE reasons to do it. It allowed us to bail out the banking sector, it destroyed small business and made a shitload of money for a few oligarchs in the know, it stripped us of civil rights..

Hugh_Mongous says

"gay corrupt nazi clowns" and such.

They are ALL corrupt. Jesus. I get tired of people feeling the need to ALWAYS boil it down to "duh good guys" versus "duh bad guys". They're all bad.

There are Nazis fighting on "our side". So what? Al-Qaeda fought on "our side" in Syria. Politics make strange bedfellows. The US will align with ANYBODY as long as there's a bigger enemy to go after. If Al-Qaeda gets wiped out in the process, well, bonus.

Why do you think ISIS ONLY fought with US weapons? The (again ridiculous) story was:

1) Isis would find an armory in Iraq.
2) They would overwhelm the base that has all those weapons and is staffed with professional military men.
3) They'd steal the weapons from the armory.

A real armory has a kill switch in it, an explosive, just for that possibility. It gets raided? KABOOM - better to blow it up than to have your enemies get it, but ISIS and Al-Qaeda, they weren't enemies of the United States for that period of time.

It's like Antifa and BLM - they are "officially" enemies of the establishment, but the establishment controls them. They are useful idiots.

Hugh_Mongous says

This doesn't address the Putin's admission that he is after adding lands to the empire a-la Peter the Great though. Shall we just forget it and pretend that never happened?

Who cares?

I'm just pointing out none of this shit would have happened if the fucking crazy cunt Victoria Nuland didn't overthrew Ukraine with CIA assistance.

Here's the consequences.

Sure the US will bitch and moan, it's good propaganda for them, anybody in a warzone doesn't give a shit which garbage government is fucking them, they just want the damned thing to end. What are THEY fighting for? I'm sure their population is as brainwashed as any other. Ever talk to a Bosnian or a Serbian 20 years after the war? They're like "yeah, that was fucking stupid".

The US never learned its lesson because the US never gets bombed. If the Neocon nutcases keep escalating this shit, that's going to change. Hell, they'll do a false flag if it's in their interests, they've done it before.

This shit would end if people stopped falling for this shit, but we don't have a news media, most people don't think they just talk, they never look into the history of how this shit gets started EVEN WHEN YOU LAY IT OUT ON A SILVER PLATTER. I understand the utter contempt our "leaders" must have for the dumb population. They still think we have a functioning media for god sakes. How goddamed retarded do they have to be after 4 years of "Russian Collusion" and 20 years after "we can't wait for the final proof to come in the form of a mushroom cloud".

I'm sick of this tiresome magic trick. It's fucking easy to see the slight of hand and it's lazy. It can scarcely get more obvious that this is a fraud. It's all a fraud.

The ships of the Russian Black Sea fleet continue to take an extremely defensive position. This was stated by the British Ministry of Defense in reference to the country’s intelligence.

According to them, the patrolling of the surface ships of the fleet is generally limited to the water area in sight of the Crimean coast.

“This contrasts with the increased activity of Russian naval forces in other seas, typical of this time of year,” British intelligence stressed.

As noted, the Russian Black Sea fleet continues to use long-range cruise missiles to support ground offensives, but is currently “experiences difficulties in exerting effective control over the sea.”

“It lost its flagship, the cruiser Moskva, a significant part of the naval aviation’s fighter jets and control of Snake Island,” the UK defense department said.

“The currently limited effectiveness of the Black Fleet undermines Russia’s overall invasion strategy, in part because the maritime threat to Odessa has now been largely neutralized*.

*) They mean neutered.

Leave the poor fleet alone!

https://mobile.twitter.com/ralee85/status/1560866892180557824

America is in a proxy war with Russia. America is supplying weapons to Ukraine. That is the reason for these "victories". They are not the result of Ukrainians but of Americans.

At this point America is sitting back watching Russia exhaust itself in a quagmire. America has allot of experience in Quagmires ..

The question is what will Russia do? America has to be punished for this somehow. Putin cannot allow America to continue supplying Ukraine with advanced weapons. Russian soldiers are dying and it's prolonging the war. Because even with these advanced weapons - ultimately Ukraine cannot win.

The war needs to be stopped now before more lives are lost on both sides.