by Eric Holder
After the dramatic sinking of the missile-cruiser Moskva by a Ukrainian missile battery on April 14, the Russian Black Sea Fleet is down to just three major surface combatants. The best and most important of them might be the new missile-frigate Admiral Makarov....On Thursday and Friday there were reports the Ukrainians had landed a blow with a Neptune and the frigate was on fire. There was no immediate hard evidence to back up the rumors, although one blurry video that circulated online does seem to depict a warship in flames.Commissioned in 2017, Admiral Makarov is the third, last and most modern vessel in her class. All three of the Admiral Grigorovich-class frigates belong to the Black Sea Fleet. Armed with 24 Buk medium-range surface-to-air missiles and eight Kalibr cruise missiles, all in vertical cells, the frigates can escort other vessels and also attack targets on land.Admiral Makarov and her sisters are not big ships. Displacing just 4,000 tons of water and accommodating 200 crew, they’re less than half the size of the U.S. Navy’s main surface combatants, the Arleigh Burke-class destroyers.But the frigates are about as big as Russia can make a non-nuclear surface combatant these days, for reasons that—ironically—have everything to do with the current war. Throughout the Soviet era and for years after the USSR’s collapse, Russia acquired its big marine engines from Ukraine.After Russia in 2014 invaded and annexed Ukraine’s Crimean Peninsula—including the port of Sevastopol where Admiral Makarov now is based—Kyiv barred certain exports to Russia, including the marine engines Russia requires for any fast, conventional vessel displacing more than 5,000 tons or so.Which is to say, after 2014 the Russian navy struggled to build big warships. That made it impossible to replace, like for like, the biggest Soviet-vintage ships such as Moskva, which displaced 12,000 tons....Moskva’s sinking, along with the earlier destruction of the Black Sea Fleet landing ship Saratov following an apparent hit by a Ukrainian ballistic missile, spooked fleet commanders. They pulled back the surviving surface ships.Many, including one Admiral Grigorovich-class frigate—it’s not clear which—were moored in Sevastopol as recently as Thursday. When the warships do sail from Crimea, they tend to stay 100 miles or so from the Ukrainian coast, potentially keeping them beyond the range of Kyiv’s Neptunes.Keeping at a safe distance meant the frigates apparently were in no position to help when the Ukrainian navy last week mounted a furious drone assault on the Russian garrison on Snake Island. The tiny hunk of rock, 25 miles off the coast of southwestern Ukraine, helped Kyiv assert some control over the western Black Sea—until the Russians captured it on the first full day of the current war on Feb. 24.Ukrainian TB-2 drones knocked out Russian air-defenses on the island then went hunting deeper at sea. On Monday, a TB-2 struck two Russian Raptor-class patrol boats with laser-guided missiles, heavily damaging if not destroying both of the 55-foot boats as they motored toward Snake Island.Without the protection of a frigate, the Raptors were sitting ducks. In that sense, sinking Moskva—and scaring off the rest of the Black Sea Fleet’s major combatants—was as good as sinking the frigates, too. It doesn’t matter that Russia still has three powerful warships in the Black Sea if those ships can’t, or won’t, risk approaching the Ukrainian coast....
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socal2 saysAnd there it is! Always America's fault.Yes, it generally is.
Except European aid is already 2x of what the US provides.
If America is primarily (solely?) responsible for all the bad outcomes (wars) around the world and our arch geopolitical rivals like the USSR, Russia, China and Islamists were mere victims or bystanders
Or are all these massive world improvements in spite of US being the world's superpower since WWII? The Commies, Islamists and 3rd world despots would have gotten there eventually - right?
If America is primarily (solely?) responsible for all the bad outcomes (wars) around the world and our arch geopolitical rivals like the USSR, Russia, China and Islamists were mere victims or bystanders - does that mean America (or the Globohomo banksters?) gets all the credit for all the massive worldwide improvements in the past 80 years in terms of reduction of poverty, war, famine, genocide and overall improvement in literacy, health, lifespan, economic/social freedom?Or are all these massive world improvements in spite of US being the world's superpower since WWII? The Commies, Islamists and 3rd world despots would have gotten there eventually - right?
Jakob Fugger rubbing hands with glee when the US pays the installment payments on EuroBank Fuggers Loans on behalf of Ukraine. Because you know that's going to happen at some point, win or loss.
Hadn't heard of him before then, but I think he was the richest man in the world, and needed some good PR. It was a good deed for sure.
Does that mean the Soviet Black Sea Fleet has been decimated? Nope: decimation in Latin means 1 out of ten. Here we have 1 out of every 3. What's the Latin word for this situation?
Does that mean the Soviet Black Sea Fleet has been decimated? Nope: decimation in Latin means 1 out of ten. Here we have 1 out of every 3. What's the Latin word for this situation?But but but McGreggor said the Ukrainians have been "Bled White" and are going to fall any day now.
Mind you, all this achieved w/o American weaponry: it's indigenous AShMs and USVs, Turkish drones, British and French cruise missiles, some AShMs from Norway, etc. Sleepy Joe is still waffling on ATACMS (that $35M from Baturina is working as intended) which could've helped finishing the job and ending the war much faster.
A warning that the day of surface vessels is about over. The carrier and guided missile destroyer/cruiser is going to be like the Battleship in WW2. Build more subs.
You know it’s about over when the state-controlled media throws in the towel…
On the other hand we see fragile and overhyped Patriot practically closing the skies over Kyiv for everything Soviet threw at them, including the hypersonic Pukin wunderwaffe Kinzhal.
This morning Black Sea Fleet HQ in Sevastopol was hit during high level meeting, no info on dead or wounded, but ambulances were responding to HQ from all over Sevastopol region. Also were hit units in Yevpatoria, Feodosia, and a few AA units mostly Pantsir-S1 or S2 were destroyed. S-300 and S-400 seem to survive this night.
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On the other hand we see fragile and overhyped Patriot practically closing the skies over Kyiv for everything Soviet threw at them, including the hypersonic Pukin wunderwaffe Kinzhal.You mean the one that was aimed at and hit the Patriot Battery?https://edition.cnn.com/2023/05/16/politics/patriot-missile-damage-ukraine
“The soldiers aren’t willing to die anymore, but this doesn’t fit the B.S. that is being authored by the Biden White House.”https://slaynews.com/news/seymour-hersh-claims-ukraine-war-effort-all-lies-war-over-russia-won/
Explosion reported near Russian Black Sea Fleet shipyard in Sevastopol6:30 am, September 23, 2023Source: MeduzaAccording to independent publication Agenstvo, residents of the city of Sevastopol in annexed Crimea reported hearing an explosion in the city’s Troitska Bay district on the morning of September 23.According to local residents, there was a strike near Henerala Zhydylova Street, which is located near a shipyard and the 13th Ship Repair Plant, where ships that are part of the Russian Navy undergo repairs. Agenstvo’s sources noted that it’s not clear whether the missile hit the plant’s structure.Head of annexed Sevastopol, Mikhail Razvozhayev, said that air defense systems shot down a missile and its debris fell near the pier in the Sukharnaya Bay (located opposite Troitskaya Bay on the other side of the larger Sevastopol Bay).The Telegram channel Crimean Wind posted photos which appear to show smoke in the Sukharnaya Bay district.
🤡Oh, Ceffer is now worried about Clihmate Chaaange. How cute.
What submarine?The Kilo hit in dry docks by the drone strike was barely scratched, let alone 'damaged'.
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