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Russian Black Sea Fleet is practically neutered.


               
2022 May 9, 11:06am   40,022 views  263 comments

by Eric_Holder   follow (0)  


After the dramatic sinking of the missile-cruiser Moskva by a Ukrainian missile battery on April 14, the Russian Black Sea Fleet is down to just three major surface combatants. The best and most important of them might be the new missile-frigate Admiral Makarov.
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On Thursday and Friday there were reports the Ukrainians had landed a blow with a Neptune and the frigate was on fire. There was no immediate hard evidence to back up the rumors, although one blurry video that circulated online does seem to depict a warship in flames.

Commissioned in 2017, Admiral Makarov is the third, last and most modern vessel in her class. All three of the Admiral Grigorovich-class frigates belong to the Black Sea Fleet. Armed with 24 Buk medium-range surface-to-air missiles and eight Kalibr cruise missiles, all in vertical cells, the frigates can escort other vessels and also attack targets on land.

Admiral Makarov and her sisters are not big ships. Displacing just 4,000 tons of water and accommodating 200 crew, they’re less than half the size of the U.S. Navy’s main surface combatants, the Arleigh Burke-class destroyers.

But the frigates are about as big as Russia can make a non-nuclear surface combatant these days, for reasons that—ironically—have everything to do with the current war. Throughout the Soviet era and for years after the USSR’s collapse, Russia acquired its big marine engines from Ukraine.

After Russia in 2014 invaded and annexed Ukraine’s Crimean Peninsula—including the port of Sevastopol where Admiral Makarov now is based—Kyiv barred certain exports to Russia, including the marine engines Russia requires for any fast, conventional vessel displacing more than 5,000 tons or so.

Which is to say, after 2014 the Russian navy struggled to build big warships. That made it impossible to replace, like for like, the biggest Soviet-vintage ships such as Moskva, which displaced 12,000 tons.


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Moskva’s sinking, along with the earlier destruction of the Black Sea Fleet landing ship Saratov following an apparent hit by a Ukrainian ballistic missile, spooked fleet commanders. They pulled back the surviving surface ships.

Many, including one Admiral Grigorovich-class frigate—it’s not clear which—were moored in Sevastopol as recently as Thursday. When the warships do sail from Crimea, they tend to stay 100 miles or so from the Ukrainian coast, potentially keeping them beyond the range of Kyiv’s Neptunes.

Keeping at a safe distance meant the frigates apparently were in no position to help when the Ukrainian navy last week mounted a furious drone assault on the Russian garrison on Snake Island. The tiny hunk of rock, 25 miles off the coast of southwestern Ukraine, helped Kyiv assert some control over the western Black Sea—until the Russians captured it on the first full day of the current war on Feb. 24.

Ukrainian TB-2 drones knocked out Russian air-defenses on the island then went hunting deeper at sea. On Monday, a TB-2 struck two Russian Raptor-class patrol boats with laser-guided missiles, heavily damaging if not destroying both of the 55-foot boats as they motored toward Snake Island.

Without the protection of a frigate, the Raptors were sitting ducks. In that sense, sinking Moskva—and scaring off the rest of the Black Sea Fleet’s major combatants—was as good as sinking the frigates, too. It doesn’t matter that Russia still has three powerful warships in the Black Sea if those ships can’t, or won’t, risk approaching the Ukrainian coast.
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https://www.forbes.com/sites/davidaxe/2022/05/06/the-russian-frigate-admiral-makarov-might-be-the-juiciest-target-in-the-black-sea/?sh=5439ecbb74d5&source=patrick.net

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1   Eric_Holder   @   2022 May 9, 11:07am  

Gotta have something left for that Russian Fleet Day parade in July, lol.
2   Eric_Holder   @   2022 May 9, 11:24am  

"Seven Raptor boats went out to the sea..."

3   Tenpoundbass   @   2022 May 9, 11:25am  

Russia is playing the classic "Let your enemy, under estimate you" tactic.

Let's be real, Russia would have surrendered or offered a ceasefire truce by now, if they were really this astonishingly outclassed.

Buy the Propaganda and hype at your own peril.
4   Misc   @   2022 May 9, 1:28pm  

I'm gonna have to agree with Eric Holder on this one.

The Russian ship captains are scared, and rightly so. They lost the Moscva and that shouldn't have happened by the stats.

The Ukies have them keeping their distance.
5   FortWayneHatesRealtors   @   2022 May 9, 5:46pm  

Will this do anything for women drivers?
6   WookieMan   @   2022 May 9, 7:10pm  

HunterTits says

Why does Russia need a navy to conquer Ukraine?

They shouldn't. Ground forces and air have taken 2+ months at this point though. Russians are already taking out rail. If they wanted to win quickly they would have taken the ports. Lobbed missiles 10 or so miles off shore. Hit Ukraine from all sides outside of Poland.

Maybe the US military is overhyped, but Ukraine should have been a cake walk for Russia if they've been planning this since as early as the 2010's. You also don't stack troops and equipment for a conventional war for months either. Ukraine had plenty of time to organize.

I get Russia's end game, but at minimum planning seems to be shit or their equipment is crap. Or a combination of both. Oh, and they're probably drunk. I'm sure they have jingoistic troops, but I'd guess 60-70% of them give no shits about their "mission" if that's what one wants to call it.
7   FuckTheMainstreamMedia   @   2022 May 10, 5:33am  

Russian equipment is crap. I started reading up on Russian and Chinese military equipment once I read what Ukraine was doing to Russia.

Our military, particularly planes, drones, and tanks …are so far ahead of anyone else that it’s ridiculous. And by extension same goes for UK, Israel, and Australia. I used to think there was some chance of war with China. There’s not. We can’t necessarily invade someone else…there’s a lot more to that…but if say Taiwan got invaded(it won’t), the Chinese army would be brutalized by us.

There’s a reason President Trump only had to flex the US muscle a little and other nations immediately backed down.
8   RWSGFY   @   2022 May 10, 7:28am  

Tenpoundbass says

Russia is playing the classic "Let your enemy, under estimate you" tactic.



9   RWSGFY   @   2022 May 10, 7:33am  

HunterTits says

Why does Russia need a navy to conquer Ukraine?


Navy blockade. And a landing assault on Odessa/Moldova. The former is still (theoretically) in place. The latter looks more and more impossible.
10   TheAntiPanicanLearingCenter   @   2022 May 10, 7:37am  

The Border is wide open.

So much for chewing gum and walking at the same time.
11   RWSGFY   @   2022 May 10, 7:42am  

WookieMan says

HunterTits says

Why does Russia need a navy to conquer Ukraine?

They shouldn't. Ground forces and air have taken 2+ months at this point though. Russians are already taking out rail. If they wanted to win quickly they would have taken the ports. Lobbed missiles 10 or so miles off shore. Hit Ukraine from all sides outside of Poland.

Maybe the US military is overhyped, but Ukraine should have been a cake walk for Russia if they've been planning this since as early as the 2010's. You also don't stack troops and equipment for a conventional war for months either. Ukraine had plenty of time to organize.

I get Russia's end game, but at minimum planning seems to be shit or their equipment is crap. Or a combination of both. Oh, and they're probably drunk. I'm sure they have jingoistic troops, but I'd guess 60-70% of them give no shits about their "...


Funny thing is: they have been lobbing their missiles everywhere and from as far as Caspian fucking Sea. They are now launching old shit like X-55 and even X-22. As well as AShM rockets like Onyx against ground targets. The problem is: without precision (which is not there) even the 600 kg warhead on X-22 doesn't do much more than digging a 20ft hole in the ground.
12   zzyzzx   @   2022 May 10, 8:28am  

HunterTits says

Why does Russia need a navy to conquer Ukraine?


Need, no. Want, yes. If the Russians want to do amphibious landing someplace yes. They don't need to do this, but the Russians can tie up some Ukrainian troops defending coastline there is the threat of an amphibious landing.
13   zzyzzx   @   2022 May 10, 8:31am  

If the Russians run out of ships in the Black Sea, then presumably the Ukrainians can start attacking the Russian Baltic sea. Since the Russians have already lobbed missals into Ukraine from Belarus, presumably it's now OK for Ukraine to sink the Russian Baltic fleet using missiles fired from any other country that will let them. Or borrow a Polish fishing vessel to launch from.
14   Eric_Holder   @   2022 May 10, 9:42am  

zzyzzx says

If the Russians run out of ships in the Black Sea, then presumably the Ukrainians can start attacking the Russian Baltic sea. Since the Russians have already lobbed missals into Ukraine from Belarus, presumably it's now OK for Ukraine to sink the Russian Baltic fleet using missiles fired from any other country that will let them. Or borrow a Polish fishing vessel to launch from.


I don't see why not do that and use the lines made famous by Lyin' Putin: "that is not our military" and "we aren't there" .
15   Ceffer   @   2022 May 10, 11:34am  

The Russian Defense Ministry also revealed additional details regarding the situation with Zmeiniy Island, where Kyiv’s forces recently fell into a trap crated by the Russian military.

“I would like to point out that another Ukrainian Bayraktar-TB2 unmanned aerial vehicle have been shot down by Russian air defence means this afternoon near Zmeiniy Island.

The Kiev regime has thus lost 30 military UAVs alone in this area over the past three days.

9 of these, I remind you, are Bayraktar-TB2 strike UAVs.

The UAVs were all used in the failed “PR campaign” by the Kiev regime to seize Zmeiniy Island on the eve of May 9, the Great Patriotic War Victory Day.

In addition, 3 more bodies of Ukrainian saboteurs nailed from the sea were found by Russian servicemen on the shore today.

Now 27 bodies of Ukrainian special forces and nationalist fighters remain at Zmeiniy Island as a result of Kiev’s failed operation.

In total, the Kiev regime have lost 3 Su-24 bombers and 1 Su-27 fighter jet near Zmeiniy Island during militarily pointless attempt to seize the island.

10 Ukrainian Air Force helicopters have been destroyed. Among them, 3 Mi-8 helicopters with paratroopers on board and 1 Mi-24 support helicopter have been shot down in the air. In addition, 6 more Mi-8 and Mi-24 helicopters involved in the operation have been destroyed on the ground near Artsiz, Odessa Region.

▫️Also 3 Ukrainian Centaur armoured amphibious assault boats with marines on board have been destroyed.

Thus, this adventure ended in disaster for Ukraine."
16   RWSGFY   @   2022 May 10, 11:48am  

Ceffer says

The Russian Defense Ministry also revealed additional details regarding the situation with Zmeiniy Island, where Kyiv’s forces recently fell into a trap crated by the Russian military.

“I would like to point out that another Ukrainian Bayraktar-TB2 unmanned aerial vehicle have been shot down by Russian air defence means this afternoon near Zmeiniy Island.

The Kiev regime has thus lost 30 military UAVs alone in this area over the past three days.

9 of these, I remind you, are Bayraktar-TB2 strike UAVs.


Not 9, 90! Or 900.

Unlike Raptors hits, confirmed by video, the tales about lost UAVs are just that, tales.

And, unlike Raptors, they are easily replaced/repositioned. T

And why the fuck would Ukie need or want to put boots on the ground there? That would be an obvious one-way ticket on a short trip. They have an effective fire control over that rock - something a bunch of guys with AK-74s won't be able to accomplish, so why bother?

Their play is to deny the use of the island as SAM platform by the RuZZians, and so far they are successful in that.

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