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richwicks
2023 Sep 7, 8:53pm
richwicks
2023 Sep 7, 8:53pm
socal2 says
DeSantis was a JAG lawyer at Guantanamo. What he, supposedly, did was listen to prisoner complaints.
He found out what they were complaining about and reported this to his superiors. Once his superiors knew what was bothering them, like playing music 24 hours a day 7 days a week to reduce the ability to sleep, they increased the volume.
Don't be so ready to trust. What did we get out of Guantanamo? Well, our nation can now torture people, provided, they aren't on US soil when they are being tortured.
What information did we get out of him? What crime did he commit? What the purpose of the torture?
There was none. He didn't commit a crime.
https://historica.fandom.com/wiki/Ali_Shallal_al-Qaisi
Read about him. He blew the whistle on US military abuses with regard to his land in Iraq.
Who believes this? People who believe that DeSantis is a sEcREt globalist or something?
DeSantis was a JAG lawyer at Guantanamo. What he, supposedly, did was listen to prisoner complaints.
He found out what they were complaining about and reported this to his superiors. Once his superiors knew what was bothering them, like playing music 24 hours a day 7 days a week to reduce the ability to sleep, they increased the volume.
Don't be so ready to trust. What did we get out of Guantanamo? Well, our nation can now torture people, provided, they aren't on US soil when they are being tortured.
What information did we get out of him? What crime did he commit? What the purpose of the torture?
There was none. He didn't commit a crime.
https://historica.fandom.com/wiki/Ali_Shallal_al-Qaisi
Read about him. He blew the whistle on US military abuses with regard to his land in Iraq.
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AmericanKulak
2023 Sep 7, 9:25pm
AmericanKulak
2023 Sep 7, 9:25pm
socal2 says
I don't believe DeSantis is a full on PoMo globalist. I do believe he has an ego, which can be a good thing, and he's proven himself tough to do things in Florida. A lot more so than Abbott the Wimp of Texas.
However, he's got to get on the MAGA Express and fully endorse Trump and become fully MAGAized 2024-2028 and abjure all the Bushes.
He's also got to declare Medicare and Soc Sec sacrosanct.
We will never return to the Ryan-Bonehead-Hasert do-nothing but tax cuts and wars GOP. I'd rather the democrats win and accelerate the pain. We had 25 years of GOP Establishment Congresses, broken only by a couple of very short Dem breaks. Yet here we have Trannies in Schools, the Dept of Ed still exists, we have a woke military, and for most of the past decade or so the GOP has rolled over for big government every time. 2017-2018 should have been a Bonzana for Libertarian-Conservative mass extinction of Shitlib programs, budget slashing, woke smashing, fun time. Instead we got Ryan dragging his heels on purpose to make sure Big Corps didn't lose their contracts and the status quo prevailed.
America is doomed if Republican victories merely result in tapping the brakes towards Post-Modern Globalism. We must turn the car around entirely.
"Oh, we limited the growth of the Dept of Education by only 20% over the next 7 years." is no flex. "We eliminated the Dept of Education" is a flex.
Myths that were totally exploded in the past few years:
* The SCOTUS ruling proved abortion is not the Third Rail dangerous to Republicans like Nikki Haley and others claim. The elimination of Roe v. Wade was one of the most ANTI-CLIMATIC events in my lifetime. Half the Women in the USA were expected to pick up arms and start shooting shit up over it, but suddenly not very much happened.
* The Russian Army is a threat. It couldn't reasonably advance to Kiev in weeks, much less days, hasn't advanced, and has been on the defensive for a year now. If this is is how the Russian Army performs against a Client State on the periphery of Europe, one of the poorest and disunified European countries if not THE most, then we can really cut back on NATO commitments.
* The Fed can forever stop inflation by jiggering the money supply, and Wall Street/Fed/Frankfurt is infallible
Who believes this? People who believe that DeSantis is a sEcREt globalist or something?
I don't believe DeSantis is a full on PoMo globalist. I do believe he has an ego, which can be a good thing, and he's proven himself tough to do things in Florida. A lot more so than Abbott the Wimp of Texas.
However, he's got to get on the MAGA Express and fully endorse Trump and become fully MAGAized 2024-2028 and abjure all the Bushes.
He's also got to declare Medicare and Soc Sec sacrosanct.
We will never return to the Ryan-Bonehead-Hasert do-nothing but tax cuts and wars GOP. I'd rather the democrats win and accelerate the pain. We had 25 years of GOP Establishment Congresses, broken only by a couple of very short Dem breaks. Yet here we have Trannies in Schools, the Dept of Ed still exists, we have a woke military, and for most of the past decade or so the GOP has rolled over for big government every time. 2017-2018 should have been a Bonzana for Libertarian-Conservative mass extinction of Shitlib programs, budget slashing, woke smashing, fun time. Instead we got Ryan dragging his heels on purpose to make sure Big Corps didn't lose their contracts and the status quo prevailed.
America is doomed if Republican victories merely result in tapping the brakes towards Post-Modern Globalism. We must turn the car around entirely.
"Oh, we limited the growth of the Dept of Education by only 20% over the next 7 years." is no flex. "We eliminated the Dept of Education" is a flex.
Myths that were totally exploded in the past few years:
* The SCOTUS ruling proved abortion is not the Third Rail dangerous to Republicans like Nikki Haley and others claim. The elimination of Roe v. Wade was one of the most ANTI-CLIMATIC events in my lifetime. Half the Women in the USA were expected to pick up arms and start shooting shit up over it, but suddenly not very much happened.
* The Russian Army is a threat. It couldn't reasonably advance to Kiev in weeks, much less days, hasn't advanced, and has been on the defensive for a year now. If this is is how the Russian Army performs against a Client State on the periphery of Europe, one of the poorest and disunified European countries if not THE most, then we can really cut back on NATO commitments.
* The Fed can forever stop inflation by jiggering the money supply, and Wall Street/Fed/Frankfurt is infallible
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richwicks
2023 Sep 7, 9:43pm
richwicks
2023 Sep 7, 9:43pm
AmericanKulak says
No. This is NOT what is happening.
They are sitting in their position, killing Ukrainian soldiers. I don't expect them to advance nor retreat EXCEPT when they have difficulty killing Ukrainian soldiers.
This is a proxy war. There is NO INTENTION of ending it by either side. It's to exhaust the other side - doesn't matter what Putin says, or the Russian government says, or the US government says.
This is a conflict between NATO and Russia, being fought in Ukraine. It ends when either Russia decides to give up, and I doubt they will short of a revolution in Russia, or when Ukraine has no more men that can or will fight. NATO soldiers might get involved though, and that will further extend it. There are already plenty of mercenaries in Ukraine.
The Russian Army is a threat. It couldn't reasonably advance to Kiev in weeks, much less days, hasn't advanced, and has been on the defensive for a year now. If this is is how the Russian Army performs against a Client State on the periphery of Europe, one of the poorest and disunified European countries if not THE most, then we can really cut back on NATO commitments.
No. This is NOT what is happening.
They are sitting in their position, killing Ukrainian soldiers. I don't expect them to advance nor retreat EXCEPT when they have difficulty killing Ukrainian soldiers.
This is a proxy war. There is NO INTENTION of ending it by either side. It's to exhaust the other side - doesn't matter what Putin says, or the Russian government says, or the US government says.
This is a conflict between NATO and Russia, being fought in Ukraine. It ends when either Russia decides to give up, and I doubt they will short of a revolution in Russia, or when Ukraine has no more men that can or will fight. NATO soldiers might get involved though, and that will further extend it. There are already plenty of mercenaries in Ukraine.
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AmericanKulak
2023 Sep 7, 10:11pm
AmericanKulak
2023 Sep 7, 10:11pm
richwicks says
The Russian army originally began a rapid operation to capture or cut off Kiev by a combined light inf/airborne and mech attack. The reformed Russian Army was simply too skinny and in order to hide the runup, Putin and the Russian Army did not prepare enough logistics (as usual with early war Russia) AND sheer numbers of soldiers necessary to guard the highways, roads, and railroads to keep their Manuever battalions in action
They did not risk the elite VDV in a diversionary move. Unless I see overwhelming evidence that they did this in the coming years, I find that risky; lightly armed paratroopers could be easily cut off and surrounded. The typical use for paratroops is to secure far away locations or delay enemy reinforcements until heavier troops can link up with them. Russia pulled out the VDV which was unable to take over the Kiev airport in a shock surprise attack.
While the Russians thumped the shit out of the Ukrainians in the initial wave, their supply lines were left undefended due to not deploying forces to patrol and hold the roads, allowing local UA units to cut the logistics, forcing the Russians to withdraw.
Everybody tells lies or misleads. The Russian one is that the whole march to Kiev was a "Distraction". They could have done the same by invading from the North and just advancing a few miles and sitting around without risking supply.
The original plan was to isolate or quickly take over Kiev, replace the government or negotiate a replacement government or force a shaken government to a quick negotiation, and end up with at least Donbass and probably a bit more territory north of Crimea for security. Or perhaps all of left bank Ukraine, but not all of it.
If this advertised plan was the real plan, and not a post ex facto explanation to cover up failure, then it failed because it failed to empty the Donbass of UA units to shorten the line by pulling them back towards the Dneipr and removing most of all of them from facing off along the Donbass area.
Countries tend to repeat what worked, this looked like a larger scale version of the Georgia Intervention and meant to be very short and sweet, and singe the beard of Kiev and the West. Putin probably had it in mind to end the Frozen war by forcing Zelensky to negotiations and a quick wind up of Donbass.
I simply don't believe the Russians sent Elite and Mechanized units to the Dneipr just to pull back a few days later.
They are sitting in their position, killing Ukrainian soldiers. I don't expect them to advance nor retreat EXCEPT when they have difficulty killing Ukrainian soldiers.
The Russian army originally began a rapid operation to capture or cut off Kiev by a combined light inf/airborne and mech attack. The reformed Russian Army was simply too skinny and in order to hide the runup, Putin and the Russian Army did not prepare enough logistics (as usual with early war Russia) AND sheer numbers of soldiers necessary to guard the highways, roads, and railroads to keep their Manuever battalions in action
They did not risk the elite VDV in a diversionary move. Unless I see overwhelming evidence that they did this in the coming years, I find that risky; lightly armed paratroopers could be easily cut off and surrounded. The typical use for paratroops is to secure far away locations or delay enemy reinforcements until heavier troops can link up with them. Russia pulled out the VDV which was unable to take over the Kiev airport in a shock surprise attack.
While the Russians thumped the shit out of the Ukrainians in the initial wave, their supply lines were left undefended due to not deploying forces to patrol and hold the roads, allowing local UA units to cut the logistics, forcing the Russians to withdraw.
Everybody tells lies or misleads. The Russian one is that the whole march to Kiev was a "Distraction". They could have done the same by invading from the North and just advancing a few miles and sitting around without risking supply.
The original plan was to isolate or quickly take over Kiev, replace the government or negotiate a replacement government or force a shaken government to a quick negotiation, and end up with at least Donbass and probably a bit more territory north of Crimea for security. Or perhaps all of left bank Ukraine, but not all of it.
If this advertised plan was the real plan, and not a post ex facto explanation to cover up failure, then it failed because it failed to empty the Donbass of UA units to shorten the line by pulling them back towards the Dneipr and removing most of all of them from facing off along the Donbass area.
Countries tend to repeat what worked, this looked like a larger scale version of the Georgia Intervention and meant to be very short and sweet, and singe the beard of Kiev and the West. Putin probably had it in mind to end the Frozen war by forcing Zelensky to negotiations and a quick wind up of Donbass.
I simply don't believe the Russians sent Elite and Mechanized units to the Dneipr just to pull back a few days later.
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richwicks
2023 Sep 7, 10:35pm
richwicks
2023 Sep 7, 10:35pm
AmericanKulak says
SAYS WHO?
Our government that lied us into Iraq, Afghanistan, Libya, and Syria?
I expected this war would be over in a few days, like Georgia versus S. Ossetia was, or Kazakhstan was but IF it wasn't, it would go on for years, because it would be a proxy war. Well, this is a proxy war. Many people have openly admitted this or accepted it.
I do not expect any possibility of this war ending until at least the end of 2025, even if Trump is elected in 2024, which I doubt he will be.
I don't bother myself with analysis of the war which is beyond my knowledge anyhow. I can speculate forever, but I know MY nation. MY nation wants this war to go on forever, like every fucking war they start. This war is precisely what they wanted, and what they got. They got a bunch of school children to cry out "Slava Ukraini", got the moron left to think this is a justified war because Biden was president at the time it was started, and has convinced idiots that Putin is the new Hitler, just like Assad was, just like Qaddafi was, like Ahmadinejad was, like Hussein was.
Everybody is fucking Hitler!! Whatever nation we attack, the leader is "Hitler". So stupid, so childish. But it's believed.
I now understand how easily the population is controlled. That was a difficult horse pill to swallow. People aren't people, they are meat robots. Just say the same fucking stupid nonsense over and over again on the propaganda box, and they repeat it too, not only repeat it, but BELIEVE it. These are people?
It's just amazing to me. How many times does the government have to lie, before you realize the government is lying. Does Putin have cancer? Is he about to die? Mariopol was going to be a success, I don't know why our government claimed that, they were all underground in a bunker, all Russia had to do was get some bulldozers and bury them all. Remember the Ghost of Kiev - oh I'm sorry it's "Kyiv" now, and "always has been". Russia is about to collapse, they said, a year ago. Our stupid bullshit propaganda will continue to produce stupid bullshit propaganda, and fucking idiots believe it.
The war will be in the same place a year from now that it's now at.
Russia's only aim at this point is to kill the Ukrainian military. If NATO sends in mercenaries, to kill them. They aren't trying to advance, they aren't even trying to win the war, they are just trying to kill the US western lead men forced to fight this war, or dumb enough to fight this war.
https://patrick.net/post/1343140/2021-12-29-a-ukraine-war-and-the-end-of-russia?start=1#comment-1808895
I wrote that on December 29, 2021. The Russian invasion began on February, 24 2022.
Time will tell if I was wrong, but so far, I'm totally correct. I was hoping it would be a quick decapitation of the traitors of Ukraine that aligned themselves with the United States. The DUMBFUCKS that run our foreign policy are 100% predictable. If a stupid shit like me can predict this so accurately, do you think the people in the Kremlin can't?
I don't even look at the military planning or logistics, I look at the past record of our foreign policy and the stupid shitheads which we should have executed 2 decades ago. They are 100% predictable. Replace them with an AI, they'll fuck up just as much. Don't think the US wants to "end this war". They don't. They want to prolong it, and Russia is fine with that. Their military expenditures are a FRACTION of what ours are.
The Russian army originally began a rapid operation to capture Kiev by a combined light inf/airborne and mech attack.
SAYS WHO?
Our government that lied us into Iraq, Afghanistan, Libya, and Syria?
I expected this war would be over in a few days, like Georgia versus S. Ossetia was, or Kazakhstan was but IF it wasn't, it would go on for years, because it would be a proxy war. Well, this is a proxy war. Many people have openly admitted this or accepted it.
I do not expect any possibility of this war ending until at least the end of 2025, even if Trump is elected in 2024, which I doubt he will be.
I don't bother myself with analysis of the war which is beyond my knowledge anyhow. I can speculate forever, but I know MY nation. MY nation wants this war to go on forever, like every fucking war they start. This war is precisely what they wanted, and what they got. They got a bunch of school children to cry out "Slava Ukraini", got the moron left to think this is a justified war because Biden was president at the time it was started, and has convinced idiots that Putin is the new Hitler, just like Assad was, just like Qaddafi was, like Ahmadinejad was, like Hussein was.
Everybody is fucking Hitler!! Whatever nation we attack, the leader is "Hitler". So stupid, so childish. But it's believed.
I now understand how easily the population is controlled. That was a difficult horse pill to swallow. People aren't people, they are meat robots. Just say the same fucking stupid nonsense over and over again on the propaganda box, and they repeat it too, not only repeat it, but BELIEVE it. These are people?
It's just amazing to me. How many times does the government have to lie, before you realize the government is lying. Does Putin have cancer? Is he about to die? Mariopol was going to be a success, I don't know why our government claimed that, they were all underground in a bunker, all Russia had to do was get some bulldozers and bury them all. Remember the Ghost of Kiev - oh I'm sorry it's "Kyiv" now, and "always has been". Russia is about to collapse, they said, a year ago. Our stupid bullshit propaganda will continue to produce stupid bullshit propaganda, and fucking idiots believe it.
The war will be in the same place a year from now that it's now at.
Russia's only aim at this point is to kill the Ukrainian military. If NATO sends in mercenaries, to kill them. They aren't trying to advance, they aren't even trying to win the war, they are just trying to kill the US western lead men forced to fight this war, or dumb enough to fight this war.
https://patrick.net/post/1343140/2021-12-29-a-ukraine-war-and-the-end-of-russia?start=1#comment-1808895
I wrote that on December 29, 2021. The Russian invasion began on February, 24 2022.
Time will tell if I was wrong, but so far, I'm totally correct. I was hoping it would be a quick decapitation of the traitors of Ukraine that aligned themselves with the United States. The DUMBFUCKS that run our foreign policy are 100% predictable. If a stupid shit like me can predict this so accurately, do you think the people in the Kremlin can't?
I don't even look at the military planning or logistics, I look at the past record of our foreign policy and the stupid shitheads which we should have executed 2 decades ago. They are 100% predictable. Replace them with an AI, they'll fuck up just as much. Don't think the US wants to "end this war". They don't. They want to prolong it, and Russia is fine with that. Their military expenditures are a FRACTION of what ours are.
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socal2
2023 Sep 8, 8:34am
AmericanKulak says
And who do we have to thank for moving this Overton Window?
Trump was one of the first to normalize trannies in 2012 allowing them to compete in the Miss Universe contest and promoted the shit out of Bruce Jenner with multiple White House visits.
https://www.cnn.com/2023/06/16/politics/trump-transgender-women-pageants-kfile/index.html
Disney was one of Trump's top 5 contributors in 2020.
https://www.opensecrets.org/2020-presidential-race/donald-trump/contributors?id=N00023864
So no surprise that Trump would make this retarded statement "“DeSanctus is being absolutely destroyed by Disney. His original P.R. plan fizzled, so now he’s going back with a new one in order to save face,” Trump said on Truth Social, referring to the Florida governor by a nickname."
https://thehill.com/homenews/state-watch/3956770-trump-knocks-desantis-over-disney-feud/
Don Jr said Conservatives should not boycott Anheuser Busch. Trump world can't go against their big donors - even if it means sacrificing our kids to the tranny mafia - right?
https://www.foxnews.com/politics/trump-jr-gop-fire-going-soft-bud-light-boycotts-no-interest-pushing-back
Politics is downstream of culture and Trump is on the wrong end on virtually every major cultural issue right now and/or beholden to his liberal donors. Not to mention Trump's continued idiotic statements about COVID.
But he fights!?
We are going to deserve all the pain and destruction of 4 more years that is coming to us. I totally understand the pain and rage many of us have about the bullshit prosecutions against Trump. Democrats run circles around us abusing lawfare and our government bureaucracies. But Trump still has no clue how to combat the deep state making it so easy for them to tie him up in indictments.
DeSantis is the only politician running this cycle that has PROVEN he knows how to do the hard work and fight the deep state and fucking WIN!
So - many of us in the Stupid Party will continue to ignore every retarded statement and action by Trump and all the evidence before our eyes, while we will simultaneously believe that the country's most successful Conservative politician (DeSantis) is a secret Paul Ryan global homo.
We will never return to the Ryan-Bonehead-Hasert do-nothing but tax cuts and wars GOP. I'd rather the democrats win and accelerate the pain. We had 25 years of GOP Establishment Congresses, broken only by a couple of very short Dem breaks. Yet here we have Trannies in Schools, the Dept of Ed still exists, we have a woke military, and for most of the past decade or so the GOP has rolled over for big government every time.
And who do we have to thank for moving this Overton Window?
Trump was one of the first to normalize trannies in 2012 allowing them to compete in the Miss Universe contest and promoted the shit out of Bruce Jenner with multiple White House visits.
https://www.cnn.com/2023/06/16/politics/trump-transgender-women-pageants-kfile/index.html
Disney was one of Trump's top 5 contributors in 2020.
https://www.opensecrets.org/2020-presidential-race/donald-trump/contributors?id=N00023864
So no surprise that Trump would make this retarded statement "“DeSanctus is being absolutely destroyed by Disney. His original P.R. plan fizzled, so now he’s going back with a new one in order to save face,” Trump said on Truth Social, referring to the Florida governor by a nickname."
https://thehill.com/homenews/state-watch/3956770-trump-knocks-desantis-over-disney-feud/
Don Jr said Conservatives should not boycott Anheuser Busch. Trump world can't go against their big donors - even if it means sacrificing our kids to the tranny mafia - right?
https://www.foxnews.com/politics/trump-jr-gop-fire-going-soft-bud-light-boycotts-no-interest-pushing-back
Politics is downstream of culture and Trump is on the wrong end on virtually every major cultural issue right now and/or beholden to his liberal donors. Not to mention Trump's continued idiotic statements about COVID.
But he fights!?
We are going to deserve all the pain and destruction of 4 more years that is coming to us. I totally understand the pain and rage many of us have about the bullshit prosecutions against Trump. Democrats run circles around us abusing lawfare and our government bureaucracies. But Trump still has no clue how to combat the deep state making it so easy for them to tie him up in indictments.
DeSantis is the only politician running this cycle that has PROVEN he knows how to do the hard work and fight the deep state and fucking WIN!
So - many of us in the Stupid Party will continue to ignore every retarded statement and action by Trump and all the evidence before our eyes, while we will simultaneously believe that the country's most successful Conservative politician (DeSantis) is a secret Paul Ryan global homo.
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AmericanKulak
2023 Sep 8, 11:10am
AmericanKulak
2023 Sep 8, 11:10am
richwicks says
SAYS ME.
The rest of what you say has literally nothing to do with my point, which is Russia is covering up for it's failure in the first weeks of the invasion.
SAYS WHO?
Our government that lied us into Iraq, Afghanistan, Libya, and Syria?
SAYS ME.
The rest of what you say has literally nothing to do with my point, which is Russia is covering up for it's failure in the first weeks of the invasion.
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Eric Holder
2023 Sep 8, 11:16am
Eric Holder
2023 Sep 8, 11:16am
richwicks says
Historical fact. Unless you still cling to your "the whole war is not happening - it's just a bunch of CGI" nonsense. Which puts you squarely into Napa State Hospital clientele.
AmericanKulak says
The Russian army originally began a rapid operation to capture Kiev by a combined light inf/airborne and mech attack.
SAYS WHO?
Historical fact. Unless you still cling to your "the whole war is not happening - it's just a bunch of CGI" nonsense. Which puts you squarely into Napa State Hospital clientele.
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AmericanKulak
2023 Sep 8, 11:18am
AmericanKulak
2023 Sep 8, 11:18am
socal2 says
First, Roe vs. Wade. Overturned because of Trump's Appointees.
There are STILL GOP Wimps like Nancy Mace insisting the GOP back off on abortion, she made those remarks just days ago.
Please name me all the Social victories and laws won by the GOP before 2015? Did they re-illegalize Gay Marriage? Did they bring back don't ask-don't tell in the military? Keeping in mind they had Congress from for years before Trump announced his candidacy.
Nah, they cut taxes for multinationals, declared next Wednesday Apple Pie and Motherhood day, and made sure there was funding for expeditionary expeditions and the trade deficit grow.
Let's not confuse DeSantis with the House GOP. Most of what DeSantis has done in Florida was after Trump was elected, not before it. And there was a time, where DeSantis did act like a Stick-in-the-Mud GOP Congressman, talking about giving Moron Street the power to "invest" Social Security money. In fairness, that stupidity was popular at the time in the 2000s when Wall Street brilliance hadn't been revealed to be smoke and mirrors.
DeSantis wrecked himself by taking money from the Bushies, who are anti-MAGA and pro-Globaloney.
Politics is downstream of culture and Trump is on the wrong end on virtually every major cultural issue right now and/or beholden to his liberal donors. Not to mention Trump's continued idiotic statements about COVID.
First, Roe vs. Wade. Overturned because of Trump's Appointees.
There are STILL GOP Wimps like Nancy Mace insisting the GOP back off on abortion, she made those remarks just days ago.
Please name me all the Social victories and laws won by the GOP before 2015? Did they re-illegalize Gay Marriage? Did they bring back don't ask-don't tell in the military? Keeping in mind they had Congress from for years before Trump announced his candidacy.
Nah, they cut taxes for multinationals, declared next Wednesday Apple Pie and Motherhood day, and made sure there was funding for expeditionary expeditions and the trade deficit grow.
Let's not confuse DeSantis with the House GOP. Most of what DeSantis has done in Florida was after Trump was elected, not before it. And there was a time, where DeSantis did act like a Stick-in-the-Mud GOP Congressman, talking about giving Moron Street the power to "invest" Social Security money. In fairness, that stupidity was popular at the time in the 2000s when Wall Street brilliance hadn't been revealed to be smoke and mirrors.
DeSantis wrecked himself by taking money from the Bushies, who are anti-MAGA and pro-Globaloney.
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socal2
2023 Sep 8, 11:42am
AmericanKulak says
Sorry - I am so tired of reading presumably smart people ape this bullshit. Especially when the same Only Trumpers say fuck-all about Trump taking Disney and Anheuser Busch money and helping normalize Trannies in our society. BTW - how much Saudi money is flowing through Trump world these days?
You live in Florida - right? Do you really think all of the political fights and legislative ACCOMPLISHMENTS DeSantis has won is all some big head-fake to go back to being a squish Rhino if he gets elected?
If MAGA means I have to accept Trump's bonkers retarded complaints against Florida regarding COVID and lay off Trump's woke campaign contributors - than I am off the train.
Tired of losing. Other than Trump's supreme court picks (which is huge), most of Trump's accomplishments were overturned within the first month of Biden's presidency because Trump had no patience, skills or coalition to win long term gains legislatively.
We thought Trump was hamstrung during his administration with the Mueller B.S.? What do you think his 2nd term would look like with all of these other indictments?
Get sober guys. We are getting absolutely played by the Democrats, Media and Deep State.
DeSantis wrecked himself by taking money from the Bushies, who are anti-MAGA and pro-Globaloney.
Sorry - I am so tired of reading presumably smart people ape this bullshit. Especially when the same Only Trumpers say fuck-all about Trump taking Disney and Anheuser Busch money and helping normalize Trannies in our society. BTW - how much Saudi money is flowing through Trump world these days?
You live in Florida - right? Do you really think all of the political fights and legislative ACCOMPLISHMENTS DeSantis has won is all some big head-fake to go back to being a squish Rhino if he gets elected?
If MAGA means I have to accept Trump's bonkers retarded complaints against Florida regarding COVID and lay off Trump's woke campaign contributors - than I am off the train.
Tired of losing. Other than Trump's supreme court picks (which is huge), most of Trump's accomplishments were overturned within the first month of Biden's presidency because Trump had no patience, skills or coalition to win long term gains legislatively.
We thought Trump was hamstrung during his administration with the Mueller B.S.? What do you think his 2nd term would look like with all of these other indictments?
Get sober guys. We are getting absolutely played by the Democrats, Media and Deep State.
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AmericanKulak
2023 Sep 8, 12:03pm
AmericanKulak
2023 Sep 8, 12:03pm
socal2 says
I like DeSantis as governor. I was very happy with him UNTIL he refused to wait his turn AND took Bushite Wimp GOP money. He's got an ego, which is great, he was more hardcore in redistricting than the pretty strong GOP State Legislature was, but he blew it. And after all that Bushite Wimp GOP money, if he won the primary, he'd owe them big time. "Oh, DeSantis, we helped you. Leave China alone and get rid of those Trump Tariffs. Koch needs more cheap workers at below market price, leave the border alone. We helped you, you owe us."
socal2 says
No, the first two years of Trump he should have had stunning accomplishments, but the GOP Establishment did everything they could to slow walk, whinge, and delay. I remember Trump trying to get the GOP off it's ass and get legislation passed, while Ryan refused to call people back, tabled votes, etc. Ryan's goal was to run the clock down and hope the Dems won the House back in 2018, which often happens when the Party-out-power dislikes the President greatly.
socal2 says
DeSantis' accomplishments were mostly pre-announcement.
Finally, the Democrats HATE DeSantis. If he was to be elected, they would oppose him every step of the way and demonize him as much as Trump. But because he is now in hock to Bush-Koch, between that fact and Media Pressure, you'll see him be defanged harder than Trump was.
DeSantis isn't going to be the nominee. Nor is Haley, or Rama, or GOP Establishment Wimp Aida Hutchinson, or Fat Ass Christy who left NJ Governorship one of the most hated Governors in history, including by the majority of Republican Voters.
You live in Florida - right? Do you really think all of the political fights and legislative ACCOMPLISHMENTS DeSantis has won is all some big head-fake to go back to being a squish Rhino if he gets elected?
I like DeSantis as governor. I was very happy with him UNTIL he refused to wait his turn AND took Bushite Wimp GOP money. He's got an ego, which is great, he was more hardcore in redistricting than the pretty strong GOP State Legislature was, but he blew it. And after all that Bushite Wimp GOP money, if he won the primary, he'd owe them big time. "Oh, DeSantis, we helped you. Leave China alone and get rid of those Trump Tariffs. Koch needs more cheap workers at below market price, leave the border alone. We helped you, you owe us."
socal2 says
Tired of losing. Other than Trump's supreme court picks (which is huge), most of Trump's accomplishments were overturned within the first month of Biden's presidency because Trump had no patience, skills or coalition to win long term gains legislatively.
No, the first two years of Trump he should have had stunning accomplishments, but the GOP Establishment did everything they could to slow walk, whinge, and delay. I remember Trump trying to get the GOP off it's ass and get legislation passed, while Ryan refused to call people back, tabled votes, etc. Ryan's goal was to run the clock down and hope the Dems won the House back in 2018, which often happens when the Party-out-power dislikes the President greatly.
socal2 says
You live in Florida - right? Do you really think all of the political fights and legislative ACCOMPLISHMENTS DeSantis has won is all some big head-fake to go back to being a squish Rhino if he gets elected?
DeSantis' accomplishments were mostly pre-announcement.
Finally, the Democrats HATE DeSantis. If he was to be elected, they would oppose him every step of the way and demonize him as much as Trump. But because he is now in hock to Bush-Koch, between that fact and Media Pressure, you'll see him be defanged harder than Trump was.
DeSantis isn't going to be the nominee. Nor is Haley, or Rama, or GOP Establishment Wimp Aida Hutchinson, or Fat Ass Christy who left NJ Governorship one of the most hated Governors in history, including by the majority of Republican Voters.
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2023 Sep 8, 12:09pm
AmericanKulak
2023 Sep 8, 12:09pm
Go look up the 115th Congress and the nothing they got done. Senate, House, President - Republicans had all 3. That was deliberate.
It should have been a smorgaboard of legislation on everything from eliminating the Dept of Education to Raising Tariffs on Chyna and closing the Border ("We don't have money", claimed the prolifigate borrow and Spend GOP Congressional leadership, LOL, hahhahahah, what bullshit)
Virtue Signalling Token or unimportant bottom-tier priority shit like "Vietnam Veterans Recognition Act" "Marrakech Treaty Act" "Victims of Porn Act".
I laugh everytime a GOPe claims we gotta send tens of Billions to Ukraine every quarter, when for years they said we couldn't fund a few billion once for our own border.
It should have been a smorgaboard of legislation on everything from eliminating the Dept of Education to Raising Tariffs on Chyna and closing the Border ("We don't have money", claimed the prolifigate borrow and Spend GOP Congressional leadership, LOL, hahhahahah, what bullshit)
Virtue Signalling Token or unimportant bottom-tier priority shit like "Vietnam Veterans Recognition Act" "Marrakech Treaty Act" "Victims of Porn Act".
I laugh everytime a GOPe claims we gotta send tens of Billions to Ukraine every quarter, when for years they said we couldn't fund a few billion once for our own border.
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socal2
2023 Sep 8, 12:18pm
AmericanKulak says
Poor Trump. The "leader" of our party couldn't even whip his own party into shape.
Trump was too busy kissing up to the Kanyes and Kardashians of the world to empty our prisons and normalizing Bruce Jenners' sexual fetishes to do the hard and boring work of building coalitions and legislating.
We are so fucking lost.
Go look up the 115th Congress and the nothing they got done. Senate, House, President - Republicans had all 3. That was deliberate.
Poor Trump. The "leader" of our party couldn't even whip his own party into shape.
Trump was too busy kissing up to the Kanyes and Kardashians of the world to empty our prisons and normalizing Bruce Jenners' sexual fetishes to do the hard and boring work of building coalitions and legislating.
We are so fucking lost.
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AmericanKulak
2023 Sep 8, 12:20pm
AmericanKulak
2023 Sep 8, 12:20pm
This Congress is a great example of what life will look like without Trump.
Where's the J6 footage you promised back in February, McCarthy? He's the head of the Capitol Police as Speaker, so he's wimping out from an organization he controls.
Why? The FIB doesn't want everybody seeing they had scores of informants and assets instigating minor acts of trespass and vandalism.
Where's the J6 footage you promised back in February, McCarthy? He's the head of the Capitol Police as Speaker, so he's wimping out from an organization he controls.
Why? The FIB doesn't want everybody seeing they had scores of informants and assets instigating minor acts of trespass and vandalism.
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richwicks
2023 Sep 8, 12:21pm
richwicks
2023 Sep 8, 12:21pm
AmericanKulak says
Because the stupid compulsively lying Neocons shithead traitor retards says "Russia is losing" that ALONE tells you the are not losing.
It's a 20 year old pattern. They only lie.
richwicks says
SAYS WHO?
Our government that lied us into Iraq, Afghanistan, Libya, and Syria?
SAYS ME.
The rest of what you say has literally nothing to do with my point, which is Russia is covering up for it's failure in the first weeks of the invasion.
Because the stupid compulsively lying Neocons shithead traitor retards says "Russia is losing" that ALONE tells you the are not losing.
It's a 20 year old pattern. They only lie.
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socal2
2023 Sep 8, 12:30pm
AmericanKulak says
Wait his turn? Trump is not an incumbent and he is making Leftist arguments against DeSantis' successful Conservative record. When Trump is not shitting on other successful Conservative Governors who are not kissing his feet, he is giving his political enemies more ammunition for lawfare due to his lack of impulse control.
Personally, I think Bush money is better than Disney or Anhaeuser Bush money. Especially when Trump showed the whole world this past summer that he will make Leftist arguments on culture to defend his financial backers.
When DeSantis starts doing complete 180's on his views or making Leftist arguments like Trump is doing (especially on COVID)- then I will worry.
If Trump is the nominee, I will hold my nose and vote for him happily over any Democrat.
If DeSantis is the nominee, will Only Trumpers throw a fit and write in Evan McMullen or something?
I like DeSantis as governor. I was very happy with him UNTIL he refused to wait his turn AND took Bushite Wimp GOP money.
Wait his turn? Trump is not an incumbent and he is making Leftist arguments against DeSantis' successful Conservative record. When Trump is not shitting on other successful Conservative Governors who are not kissing his feet, he is giving his political enemies more ammunition for lawfare due to his lack of impulse control.
Personally, I think Bush money is better than Disney or Anhaeuser Bush money. Especially when Trump showed the whole world this past summer that he will make Leftist arguments on culture to defend his financial backers.
When DeSantis starts doing complete 180's on his views or making Leftist arguments like Trump is doing (especially on COVID)- then I will worry.
If Trump is the nominee, I will hold my nose and vote for him happily over any Democrat.
If DeSantis is the nominee, will Only Trumpers throw a fit and write in Evan McMullen or something?
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Misc
2023 Sep 8, 2:22pm
So, when is De Santis going to hold that grand jury into Vaxx deaths and injuries ???
So, when is De Santis going to prosecute pedos under that Death penalty law for raping children ???
I did see him take a swipe at Disney so there is that, but after he started running for president, he's kinda dropped his initiatives.- I've gotta assume he was paid off.
So, when is De Santis going to prosecute pedos under that Death penalty law for raping children ???
I did see him take a swipe at Disney so there is that, but after he started running for president, he's kinda dropped his initiatives.
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AmericanKulak
2023 Sep 8, 2:25pm
AmericanKulak
2023 Sep 8, 2:25pm
socal2 says
His poll numbers. End of story. Just because NeverTrump (all of whom are suspiciously ethusiastic for him, which is a major Red Flag) wants him, doesn't mean he's gonna be the nominee.
socal2 says
Because most of the party, esp. on the Federal Level, IS the Swamp.
That's why the border is wide open after ~3/4 of the past 25 years of GOP Purse Power in the House
richwicks says
I didn't say the Russians were losing. I said their initial action was very likely a miscarry, and the claims to the contrary that it was just a fient to Kiev is RUSSIAN propaganda. That the US Deep State lies but the Syrian, Hezbollah, Russia, etc. government tells the truth most of the time and doesn't cover up failures is not accurate either. The Russians certainly aren't losing.
Wait his turn? Trump is not an incumbent and he is making Leftist arguments against DeSantis' successful Conservative record. When Trump is not shitting on other successful Conservative Governors who are not kissing his feet, he is giving his political enemies more ammunition for lawfare due to his lack of impulse control.
His poll numbers. End of story. Just because NeverTrump (all of whom are suspiciously ethusiastic for him, which is a major Red Flag) wants him, doesn't mean he's gonna be the nominee.
socal2 says
Poor Trump. The "leader" of our party couldn't even whip his own party into shape.
Because most of the party, esp. on the Federal Level, IS the Swamp.
That's why the border is wide open after ~3/4 of the past 25 years of GOP Purse Power in the House
richwicks says
Because the stupid compulsively lying Neocons shithead traitor retards says "Russia is losing" that ALONE tells you the are not losing.
I didn't say the Russians were losing. I said their initial action was very likely a miscarry, and the claims to the contrary that it was just a fient to Kiev is RUSSIAN propaganda. That the US Deep State lies but the Syrian, Hezbollah, Russia, etc. government tells the truth most of the time and doesn't cover up failures is not accurate either. The Russians certainly aren't losing.
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richwicks
2023 Sep 8, 2:38pm
richwicks
2023 Sep 8, 2:38pm
socal2 says
20 years after the fact, how can you not recognize that George W. Bush is IDENTICAL to Joe Biden.
They are puppets. If we get another fucking Neocon in the white house, we're off to at least 4 more fucking years of fucking war. THIS is what is destroying our nation. Not drag queen story hour. Remember that "big controversy"? Well, not an issue anymore, should never have been. It's just a bunch of fucked up parents allowing their kids to see fucked up adults. Who cares about them?
Personally, I think Bush money is better than Disney or Anhaeuser Bush money.
20 years after the fact, how can you not recognize that George W. Bush is IDENTICAL to Joe Biden.
They are puppets. If we get another fucking Neocon in the white house, we're off to at least 4 more fucking years of fucking war. THIS is what is destroying our nation. Not drag queen story hour. Remember that "big controversy"? Well, not an issue anymore, should never have been. It's just a bunch of fucked up parents allowing their kids to see fucked up adults. Who cares about them?
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richwicks
2023 Sep 8, 2:42pm
richwicks
2023 Sep 8, 2:42pm
AmericanKulak says
Could be. It's possible.
It doesn't matter.
I'm pointing out Russia isn't fucking up. Things can ALWAYS go better, but what's going is good enough.
The United States wanted to harm Russia, instead the United States has shot itself in the foot. It's clear that NATO is useless, expensive, and stupid to have. Winter is coming, the Nordstream is mostly gone.
AmericanKulak says
You don't have to listen to anybody other than the Neocons. They ALWAYS lie. Whatever they claim, the opposite is true. They claim it will be a short war, it will be years. They claim they are wining, they are losing. They claim that so-and-so is Hitler, they are Hitler. They are the fucking 4th Reich.
I didn't say the Russians were losing. I said their initial action was very likely a miscarry, and the claims to the contrary that it was just a fient to Kiev is RUSSIAN propaganda
Could be. It's possible.
It doesn't matter.
I'm pointing out Russia isn't fucking up. Things can ALWAYS go better, but what's going is good enough.
The United States wanted to harm Russia, instead the United States has shot itself in the foot. It's clear that NATO is useless, expensive, and stupid to have. Winter is coming, the Nordstream is mostly gone.
AmericanKulak says
That the US Deep State lies but the Syrian, Hezbollah, Russia, etc. government tells the truth most of the time and doesn't cover up failures is not accurate either.
You don't have to listen to anybody other than the Neocons. They ALWAYS lie. Whatever they claim, the opposite is true. They claim it will be a short war, it will be years. They claim they are wining, they are losing. They claim that so-and-so is Hitler, they are Hitler. They are the fucking 4th Reich.
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AmericanKulak
2023 Sep 8, 2:50pm
AmericanKulak
2023 Sep 8, 2:50pm
richwicks says
richwicks says
Look, I'm just making two points:
Russia has many issues militarily. They aren't losing, but they aren't the endless Echelons of the Cold War, either.
We are beyond neocons now. The whole establishment, and the Democrat party, and the same Democrats who back their favorite South American or MENA terror group, are all on board with Ukraine.
I'm pointing out Russia isn't fucking up. Things can ALWAYS go better, but what's going is good enough.
richwicks says
You don't have to listen to anybody other than the Neocons. They ALWAYS lie. Whatever they claim, the opposite is true. They claim it will be a short war, it will be years. They claim they are wining, they are losing. They claim that so-and-so is Hitler, they are Hitler. They are the fucking 4th Reich.
Look, I'm just making two points:
Russia has many issues militarily. They aren't losing, but they aren't the endless Echelons of the Cold War, either.
We are beyond neocons now. The whole establishment, and the Democrat party, and the same Democrats who back their favorite South American or MENA terror group, are all on board with Ukraine.
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AmericanKulak
2023 Sep 8, 5:42pm
AmericanKulak
2023 Sep 8, 5:42pm
Donald Trump was the Biggest Popular Vote Earner in US History:
137M votes in 2016 and 2020 combined, beating Obama 2008 and 2012 combined by ~2 Million votes.
Donald Trump got the 2nd Biggest Popular Vote of any President in US History:
74.2M Votes in 2020.
His 2020 total 74.2M official vote beats either of Obama's Election Victories in 2008 (!!!) and 2012 by MILLIONS of votes
And that's the official count, without any correction for fraud. If you think Dem AFSCME and Postal Service employees and RINO Maricopa Clerks and Officials didn't throw out or destroy at least a few 100k's of votes for Trump...
Trump beat every Presidental Candidate in history for the Popular Vote except 2020 Biden and the Dem-RINO Fraud Machine.
He not only trounced every number Obama hit, but smashed every Popular Vote for Bush, Romney, and McCain by ~10M
He won almost every bellweather county but somehow "lost" the election after the great 11PM freeze and 3AM resumption
So let's dispense with the NeverTrump myth that Trump costs the GOP votes. It's the opposite of the Truth: Trump is an incredibe vote getter asset compared to Establishment GOP nominees.
137M votes in 2016 and 2020 combined, beating Obama 2008 and 2012 combined by ~2 Million votes.
Donald Trump got the 2nd Biggest Popular Vote of any President in US History:
74.2M Votes in 2020.
His 2020 total 74.2M official vote beats either of Obama's Election Victories in 2008 (!!!) and 2012 by MILLIONS of votes
And that's the official count, without any correction for fraud. If you think Dem AFSCME and Postal Service employees and RINO Maricopa Clerks and Officials didn't throw out or destroy at least a few 100k's of votes for Trump...
Trump beat every Presidental Candidate in history for the Popular Vote except 2020 Biden and the Dem-RINO Fraud Machine.
He not only trounced every number Obama hit, but smashed every Popular Vote for Bush, Romney, and McCain by ~10M
He won almost every bellweather county but somehow "lost" the election after the great 11PM freeze and 3AM resumption
So let's dispense with the NeverTrump myth that Trump costs the GOP votes. It's the opposite of the Truth: Trump is an incredibe vote getter asset compared to Establishment GOP nominees.
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AmericanKulak
2023 Sep 8, 6:03pm
AmericanKulak
2023 Sep 8, 6:03pm
It's more remarkable when you consider the often illegal acts by Clerks to allow Mail-in ballots by the millions uniquely in 2020.
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richwicks
2023 Sep 8, 7:19pm
richwicks
2023 Sep 8, 7:19pm
AmericanKulak says
They don't need to be. Everything has "issues". Look at OUR military. We have fucking serious issues. We are provoking war EVERYWHERE and we can't fight it. Our military is tremendously expensive, and it's not the best in the world. 20 years of war has destroyed it. For 20 years, if you joined the military, you'd see some sort of action and the only reason people would join is they believed in what was being done, and it's all coming out, that all of it, ALL OF IT was lies.
You think they aren't telling their kids, their friends, and so on? The reason the military is having a hard time meeting quotas and dropping standards is people are saying what I said 30 years ago "this is bullshit".
I don't think Russians are saying that. NATO is a legitimate threat, or at least that's what Russians think.
AmericanKulak says
Neocons rule both parties. That's why Trump exists. Neocons don't care about this country, at all.
The Neocons started out as being open marxists. Then they "found the error of their ways", supposedly. It was George H. Bush that invited them in. They are just authoritarians. Fascist, Communist - who cares? They don't.
The completely control our government at this point. Did you know William Kristol is a democrat now? The guy that was the loudest proponent for the Iraq War?
They have no ideals.
The Ukraine war for them is a way to make money on investments in the Offense Industry. So, it destroys a country, they don't care.
Russia has many issues militarily. They aren't losing, but they aren't the endless Echelons of the Cold War, either.
They don't need to be. Everything has "issues". Look at OUR military. We have fucking serious issues. We are provoking war EVERYWHERE and we can't fight it. Our military is tremendously expensive, and it's not the best in the world. 20 years of war has destroyed it. For 20 years, if you joined the military, you'd see some sort of action and the only reason people would join is they believed in what was being done, and it's all coming out, that all of it, ALL OF IT was lies.
You think they aren't telling their kids, their friends, and so on? The reason the military is having a hard time meeting quotas and dropping standards is people are saying what I said 30 years ago "this is bullshit".
I don't think Russians are saying that. NATO is a legitimate threat, or at least that's what Russians think.
AmericanKulak says
We are beyond neocons now. The whole establishment, and the Democrat party, and the same Democrats who back their favorite South American or MENA terror group, are all on board with Ukraine.
Neocons rule both parties. That's why Trump exists. Neocons don't care about this country, at all.
The Neocons started out as being open marxists. Then they "found the error of their ways", supposedly. It was George H. Bush that invited them in. They are just authoritarians. Fascist, Communist - who cares? They don't.
The completely control our government at this point. Did you know William Kristol is a democrat now? The guy that was the loudest proponent for the Iraq War?
They have no ideals.
The Ukraine war for them is a way to make money on investments in the Offense Industry. So, it destroys a country, they don't care.
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Misc
2023 Nov 9, 8:16pm
Looks like the FBI ain't the only ones that trip people up on Process charges. It's ok to get elected on the premise of curing corruption, but to actually try to do something about it...well DeSantis will treat you like Trump got treated.
https://www.msn.com/en-us/entertainment/other/judges-exonerate-desantis-ousted-commissioner-who-lost-everything-serving-75-days-in-jail-report/ar-AA1jGvC5?ocid=hpmsn&cvid=e85507adce2f489489f94b44348dba79&ei=13
https://www.msn.com/en-us/entertainment/other/judges-exonerate-desantis-ousted-commissioner-who-lost-everything-serving-75-days-in-jail-report/ar-AA1jGvC5?ocid=hpmsn&cvid=e85507adce2f489489f94b44348dba79&ei=13
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AD
2023 Nov 9, 8:52pm
AD
2023 Nov 9, 8:52pm
Misc says
Nothing to do with DeSantis other than DeSantis endorsed the commissioner who was a political target by the crony local prosecutor
the commissioner wanted The Villages and its developer to fund its own infrastructure additions ... that local prosecutor is paid for by the developer and is an elected official
.
Looks like the FBI ain't the only ones that trip people up on Process charges. It's ok to get elected on the premise of curing corruption, but to actually try to do something about it...well DeSantis will treat you like Trump got treated.
https://www.msn.com/en-us/entertainment/other/judges-exonerate-desantis-ousted-commissioner-who-lost-everything-serving-75-days-in-jail-report/ar-AA1jGvC5?ocid=hpmsn&cvid=e85507adce2f489489f94b44348dba79&ei=13
Nothing to do with DeSantis other than DeSantis endorsed the commissioner who was a political target by the crony local prosecutor
the commissioner wanted The Villages and its developer to fund its own infrastructure additions ... that local prosecutor is paid for by the developer and is an elected official
.
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Misc
2023 Nov 9, 9:10pm
The State's AG that filed the perjury charges was DeSantis appointed. He was helping out the local prosecutor paid for by the developer.
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SunnyvaleCA
2023 Nov 9, 11:59pm
Misc says
First assumption is that it's just a hit piece against DeSantis. I guess MSN wants to make sure he doesn't get the Republican nomination.
Looks like the FBI ain't the only ones that trip people up on Process charges. It's ok to get elected on the premise of curing corruption, but to actually try to do something about it...well DeSantis will treat you like Trump got treated.
https://www.msn.com/en-us/entertainment/other/judges-exonerate-desantis-ousted-commissioner-who-lost-everything-serving-75-days-in-jail-report/ar-AA1jGvC5?ocid=hpmsn&cvid=e85507adce2f489489f94b44348dba79&ei=13
First assumption is that it's just a hit piece against DeSantis. I guess MSN wants to make sure he doesn't get the Republican nomination.
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Patrick
2023 Nov 15, 12:04pm
Patrick
2023 Nov 15, 12:04pm
https://www.coffeeandcovid.com/p/vaccine-syndrome-wednesday-november
The always-sunny Sunshine State of Florida — whose growth and success can be directly tied to its anti-mandate, pro-freedom pandemic policies — received a top AAA Moodys credit rating this week, even while Moody’s also lowered the United States’ credit rating to negative.
Yesterday, Governor DeSantis rightly bragged about Florida’s top credit rating:
DeSantis deserves to brag about the state’s excellent credit score. Setting aside presidential politics, the Sunshine State’s strong economic performance is a resounding confirmation of pro-freedom, small-government health policy.
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Tenpoundbass
2023 Nov 15, 12:09pm
Tenpoundbass
2023 Nov 15, 12:09pm
DeSantis is a "In the Now" leader. Everything he does is purely to bolster his political brand. He's done absolutely nothing to build like minded GOP throughout the State. He has done nothing to create and foster a strong conservative caucus in Tampa, Orlando, Jacksonville, and Miami Dade areas.
The day his term is over a creepy Democrat governor will be there to replace him. There's not one single GOP household name anywhere in the State of Florida being touted as a suitable or even a possible Governor Contender. That's not a good sign. The Republican base is only powerful when they back a firebrand candidate, that had several years to build that inertia. They don't jump on primary season bandwagons, and the stay home if their team isn't playing in the game.
DeScamedus, is a fake Jive ass bitch, who's only intent with his populist glad handing was to usurp Trump and hijack his base. It kills that high heel wearing dink that it isn't happening.
The day his term is over a creepy Democrat governor will be there to replace him. There's not one single GOP household name anywhere in the State of Florida being touted as a suitable or even a possible Governor Contender. That's not a good sign. The Republican base is only powerful when they back a firebrand candidate, that had several years to build that inertia. They don't jump on primary season bandwagons, and the stay home if their team isn't playing in the game.
DeScamedus, is a fake Jive ass bitch, who's only intent with his populist glad handing was to usurp Trump and hijack his base. It kills that high heel wearing dink that it isn't happening.
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socal2
2023 Nov 15, 1:34pm
Tenpoundbass says
Yet DeSantis turned a Purple State blood Red in the last election while most of Trump's national picks went down in flames losing easy elections because most Americans are sick of Trump and his drama. DeSantis didn't compromise going all Liberal to win (as Trump routinely does) trying to suck up votes from the ghetto by going soft on crime or playing nice with trannys and Disney. DeSantis won on Conservative principles, whereas Trump has few Conservative principles and just tries to cut deals to make people like him.
How many more elections do we need to lose since Trump caught lightning in a bottle in 2016 to get our heads out of our asses?
2024 is a different universe than 2016. Trump is still toxic to a HUGE segment of the population and is not getting any younger. Democrats are going to run a young fresh face with little drama to make it easy for the Trump haters and Moderates to pull the lever for the Donkeys again - despite how bad Biden has been.
And we will all be here on Patnet at this time next year crying about voter fraud to try and explain away our idiocy of nominating Trump again.
DeSantis is a "In the Now" leader. Everything he does is purely to bolster his political brand. He's done absolutely nothing to build like minded GOP throughout the State. He has done nothing to create and foster a strong conservative caucus in Tampa, Orlando, Jacksonville, and Miami Dade areas.
Yet DeSantis turned a Purple State blood Red in the last election while most of Trump's national picks went down in flames losing easy elections because most Americans are sick of Trump and his drama. DeSantis didn't compromise going all Liberal to win (as Trump routinely does) trying to suck up votes from the ghetto by going soft on crime or playing nice with trannys and Disney. DeSantis won on Conservative principles, whereas Trump has few Conservative principles and just tries to cut deals to make people like him.
How many more elections do we need to lose since Trump caught lightning in a bottle in 2016 to get our heads out of our asses?
2024 is a different universe than 2016. Trump is still toxic to a HUGE segment of the population and is not getting any younger. Democrats are going to run a young fresh face with little drama to make it easy for the Trump haters and Moderates to pull the lever for the Donkeys again - despite how bad Biden has been.
And we will all be here on Patnet at this time next year crying about voter fraud to try and explain away our idiocy of nominating Trump again.
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Onvacation
2023 Nov 16, 5:08am
Onvacation
2023 Nov 16, 5:08am
socal2 says
DeSantis is part of the deep state.
DeSantis is the only politician running this cycle that has PROVEN he knows how to do the hard work and fight the deep state and fucking WIN!
DeSantis is part of the deep state.
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socal2
2023 Nov 16, 8:26am
Onvacation says
We are to believe DeSantis' entire life and legislative accomplishments were a big fake so he could get elected President - and then become Liberal like Trump and get soft on all of the hot button issues impacting our culture?
If by some miracle Trump were able to win in 2024, he will spend all his time fighting his court battles and kissing up to Liberals trying to be popular and liked again.
DeSantis is part of the deep state.
We are to believe DeSantis' entire life and legislative accomplishments were a big fake so he could get elected President - and then become Liberal like Trump and get soft on all of the hot button issues impacting our culture?
If by some miracle Trump were able to win in 2024, he will spend all his time fighting his court battles and kissing up to Liberals trying to be popular and liked again.
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krc
2023 Nov 16, 8:37am
socal2 says
I just don't think that Reps can win unless Trump runs. A large segment of those who voted for Trump won't back another candidate.
It is Trump or nothing with a large segment of the populist base. And, yeah, Trump does move back and forth between right and left, but that is why he
is popular with non-traditional republicans and pulls minority voters more than any other Rep ever will.
With the voter registration in Dem favor (and growing) and spending 3:1 in $ (just look who the billionaires support), it is
already hard for a Rep to win. Without Trump - I think it is impossible. If Trump had less of an ego, he could be a king maker and have a huge influence
well into the future. But I think for him ego trumps all...
He might just be the very last Rep President ever. The Rep party is in disarray as it doesn't know what it wants to be.
All this combined with bad messaging on abortion and 2024 could be rough. Ironically, Trump may be the only one on the right who
can be flexible enough on a message that can draw wide range support - if his message is allowed out. Trump already moved toward
the left on abortion many months ago...
And we will all be here on Patnet at this time next year crying about voter fraud to try and explain away our idiocy of nominating Trump again.
I just don't think that Reps can win unless Trump runs. A large segment of those who voted for Trump won't back another candidate.
It is Trump or nothing with a large segment of the populist base. And, yeah, Trump does move back and forth between right and left, but that is why he
is popular with non-traditional republicans and pulls minority voters more than any other Rep ever will.
With the voter registration in Dem favor (and growing) and spending 3:1 in $ (just look who the billionaires support), it is
already hard for a Rep to win. Without Trump - I think it is impossible. If Trump had less of an ego, he could be a king maker and have a huge influence
well into the future. But I think for him ego trumps all...
He might just be the very last Rep President ever. The Rep party is in disarray as it doesn't know what it wants to be.
All this combined with bad messaging on abortion and 2024 could be rough. Ironically, Trump may be the only one on the right who
can be flexible enough on a message that can draw wide range support - if his message is allowed out. Trump already moved toward
the left on abortion many months ago...
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socal2
2023 Nov 16, 8:59am
krc says
There are not enough black votes to make up for all the Conservatives, Moderates, Independents, Never-Trumpers and Wine Moms Trump has lost forever.
If we have to win the black vote by Trump kissing up to Kanye and the Kardashians, emptying our prisons and causing massive crime nationwide - count me out.
krc says
People were saying the same thing about Florida just a few years ago. "The State has too many Liberal New Yorkers and Hispanics - it will be permanently Blue!"
We have a successful blueprint with DeSantis.
Trump will be nothing but more disarray while Democrats run laps around us.
After the Biden/Democrat catastrophe, 2024 should be the easiest layup for Republicans in history. But we are retarded and are going to nominate the one guy that is about as unpopular at Biden!
It is Trump or nothing with a large segment of the populist base. And, yeah, Trump does move back and forth between right and left, but that is why he
is popular with non-traditional republicans and pulls minority voters more than any other Rep ever will.
There are not enough black votes to make up for all the Conservatives, Moderates, Independents, Never-Trumpers and Wine Moms Trump has lost forever.
If we have to win the black vote by Trump kissing up to Kanye and the Kardashians, emptying our prisons and causing massive crime nationwide - count me out.
krc says
He might just be the very last Rep President ever. The Rep party is in disarray as it doesn't know what it wants to be.
People were saying the same thing about Florida just a few years ago. "The State has too many Liberal New Yorkers and Hispanics - it will be permanently Blue!"
We have a successful blueprint with DeSantis.
Trump will be nothing but more disarray while Democrats run laps around us.
After the Biden/Democrat catastrophe, 2024 should be the easiest layup for Republicans in history. But we are retarded and are going to nominate the one guy that is about as unpopular at Biden!
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krc
2023 Nov 16, 9:33am
socal2 says
First, elections are very very close - particularly in the battlegrounds - so every vote can make a difference. And, stuff that Trump did to attract minority voters was conservative: work is good, illegal immigration is bad. I think you believe that minority voters can't change their minds if there is an attractive position and move to the right and I disagree. Polling shows black males in particular are attracted to Trump's message. His modifications around incarceration were generally principled.
And, I see the opposite in my area. If Trump doesn't run, I know many will simply not show up to the polls. If you are a conservative and can't back Trump because he is not a full fledged member of the outsourcing/send jobs overseas to increase stock price party, or you are a conservative business relying on cross border migrant work, or your "religion" would say that Trump is not a "good person"- well - that is exactly why the Rep party is split. Trump moved the Party to populist positions that the general traditional old line Rep community wouldn't support.
socal2 says
First, DeSantis will never be president as he is far too short. He lacks charisma. And, frankly, he hasn't really differentiated himself from Trump in any meaningful way that sticks. He is not building a great national party agenda either - he is focused on FL which is fine. He is very effective and organized, but it takes more than that to lead nationally. That said, if trump bowed out, not sure if there is another Rep who can run besides DeSantis. Vivek gets headlines, but not sure he appeals generally.
There are not enough black votes to make up for all the Conservatives, Moderates, Independents, Never-Trumpers and Wine Moms Trump has lost forever.
First, elections are very very close - particularly in the battlegrounds - so every vote can make a difference. And, stuff that Trump did to attract minority voters was conservative: work is good, illegal immigration is bad. I think you believe that minority voters can't change their minds if there is an attractive position and move to the right and I disagree. Polling shows black males in particular are attracted to Trump's message. His modifications around incarceration were generally principled.
And, I see the opposite in my area. If Trump doesn't run, I know many will simply not show up to the polls. If you are a conservative and can't back Trump because he is not a full fledged member of the outsourcing/send jobs overseas to increase stock price party, or you are a conservative business relying on cross border migrant work, or your "religion" would say that Trump is not a "good person"- well - that is exactly why the Rep party is split. Trump moved the Party to populist positions that the general traditional old line Rep community wouldn't support.
socal2 says
We have a successful blueprint with DeSantis.
First, DeSantis will never be president as he is far too short. He lacks charisma. And, frankly, he hasn't really differentiated himself from Trump in any meaningful way that sticks. He is not building a great national party agenda either - he is focused on FL which is fine. He is very effective and organized, but it takes more than that to lead nationally. That said, if trump bowed out, not sure if there is another Rep who can run besides DeSantis. Vivek gets headlines, but not sure he appeals generally.
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krc
2023 Nov 16, 9:59am
I do disagree btw with previous commentators that FL hasn't built a strong Rep bench. If you look at statewide office, senators, etc... they are all Rep in FL. They haven't quite locked out Democrats to the level that the Dems have done to Reps in CA, but they are on track if they can close the deal and pass more laws that destroy the oppositions ability to counterattack, run for office, etc.... Now that Reps have Supermajority in the legislature, they should start preventing the Dems from organizing effectively. Pass laws that are a thorn in Dems get out the vote plans, etc... The need to copy what the Dems did in CA and assure themselves full control well into the future. And ignore the media shills that say any laws by the supermajority should be struck down etc. Ironic the media only cares about supermajorities for Rep states but are fine with CA Dem supermajority.
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socal2
2023 Nov 16, 10:21am
krc says
Emptying our prisons with the "First Step Act" was not great and helped drive (along with Trump's lockdown policies) the record crime rate we have seen in recent years. Trump presided over all the BLM/George Floyd riots too. Whatever Trump is doing with the black vote, is not resulting in winning elections or safer streets.
krc says
I have said repeatedly that I will crawl over broken glass to vote for Trump (or any Candidate) who gets nominated by the Republicans, because the Democrats are that bad.
If Trumpers can't vote for a guy like DeSantis (Trump's only real competition who is 10X more successful, principled and Conservative than Trump) than they aren't Conservative at all.
krc says
DeSantis has totally differentiated himself from Trump by actually being SUCCESSFUL in governing and winning elections.
Virtually all of the good things Trump did (and there were many) were by Executive Order and were easily erased within the first month of the Biden Administration. America is more fucked today than we were before Trump's 4 years in office. Can you name any lasting achievements from Trump's administration?
Trump has no experienced staff or operators and will once again get rolled by the Deep State and Bureaucracy while he continues to fight all the legal battles from his first terms by not having the team and experience to deal with Liberals who have weaponized government against Conservatives.
And, stuff that Trump did to attract minority voters was conservative: work is good, illegal immigration is bad.
Emptying our prisons with the "First Step Act" was not great and helped drive (along with Trump's lockdown policies) the record crime rate we have seen in recent years. Trump presided over all the BLM/George Floyd riots too. Whatever Trump is doing with the black vote, is not resulting in winning elections or safer streets.
krc says
If Trump doesn't run, I know many will simply not show up to the polls. If you are a conservative and can't back Trump because he is not a full fledged member of the outsourcing/send jobs overseas to increase stock price party,
I have said repeatedly that I will crawl over broken glass to vote for Trump (or any Candidate) who gets nominated by the Republicans, because the Democrats are that bad.
If Trumpers can't vote for a guy like DeSantis (Trump's only real competition who is 10X more successful, principled and Conservative than Trump) than they aren't Conservative at all.
krc says
First, DeSantis will never be president as he is far too short. He lacks charisma. And, frankly, he hasn't really differentiated himself from Trump in any meaningful way that sticks.
DeSantis has totally differentiated himself from Trump by actually being SUCCESSFUL in governing and winning elections.
Virtually all of the good things Trump did (and there were many) were by Executive Order and were easily erased within the first month of the Biden Administration. America is more fucked today than we were before Trump's 4 years in office. Can you name any lasting achievements from Trump's administration?
Trump has no experienced staff or operators and will once again get rolled by the Deep State and Bureaucracy while he continues to fight all the legal battles from his first terms by not having the team and experience to deal with Liberals who have weaponized government against Conservatives.
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RayAmerica
2023 Nov 16, 10:28am
RayAmerica
2023 Nov 16, 10:28am
socal2 says
Since when does that matter when it comes to politics in America?
Case in point: Barack Hussein Obama. What were his accomplishments prior to being elected POTUS? There were none. But he proclaimed "enough is enough,' 'hope and change,' blah, blah, blah and won another term after his disastrous train wreck of a first term. (Of course the GOP ran two garbage candidates, which certainly played a major role in Obama's success.)
DeSantis appears to have been a very good governor, but the guy is so stiff and boring he's enough to put you to sleep. Videos of his performances so far in the debates could be used for torture.
DeSantis has totally differentiated himself from Trump by actually being SUCCESSFUL in governing and winning elections.
Since when does that matter when it comes to politics in America?
Case in point: Barack Hussein Obama. What were his accomplishments prior to being elected POTUS? There were none. But he proclaimed "enough is enough,' 'hope and change,' blah, blah, blah and won another term after his disastrous train wreck of a first term. (Of course the GOP ran two garbage candidates, which certainly played a major role in Obama's success.)
DeSantis appears to have been a very good governor, but the guy is so stiff and boring he's enough to put you to sleep. Videos of his performances so far in the debates could be used for torture.
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socal2
2023 Nov 16, 11:00am
RayAmerica says
It is clear some want an entertainer clown, more drama and get nothing done. As much as I loved Trump "owning the Libs" we have nothing to show for it 7 years later other than a country that is worse off than it was in 2016.
Tired of the lame celebrity worship we see in Trump supporters. "Trump is going to win over the LGBTQ's since he is nice to Bruce Jenner!" "Trump is going to win the UAW vote because he is nice to unions!" "Trump is going to win the black vote because Trump emptied the jails!"
I want a guy that is cold, calculated and SUCCESSFUL in getting Conservative policies enacted in our government without selling out to Liberals and celebrities. DeSantis has proved that in spades picking (and winning) high profile fights with Corporations and entrenched government bureaucracy despite people claiming he has no charisma.
I want the guy that has the ability to serve 8 years and not be a lame duck when first elected and tied up with tons of litigation that will distract them from serving the people that elected him.
I want a guy that is not one Big Mac away from having a heart attack and dying in his 80's. Trump is certainly mentally and physically sharper than Biden, but Trump lost both of his siblings in recent years and he is not a paragon of health.
DeSantis appears to have been a very good governor, but the guy is so stiff and boring he's enough to put you to sleep. Videos of his performances so far in the debates could be used for torture.
It is clear some want an entertainer clown, more drama and get nothing done. As much as I loved Trump "owning the Libs" we have nothing to show for it 7 years later other than a country that is worse off than it was in 2016.
Tired of the lame celebrity worship we see in Trump supporters. "Trump is going to win over the LGBTQ's since he is nice to Bruce Jenner!" "Trump is going to win the UAW vote because he is nice to unions!" "Trump is going to win the black vote because Trump emptied the jails!"
I want a guy that is cold, calculated and SUCCESSFUL in getting Conservative policies enacted in our government without selling out to Liberals and celebrities. DeSantis has proved that in spades picking (and winning) high profile fights with Corporations and entrenched government bureaucracy despite people claiming he has no charisma.
I want the guy that has the ability to serve 8 years and not be a lame duck when first elected and tied up with tons of litigation that will distract them from serving the people that elected him.
I want a guy that is not one Big Mac away from having a heart attack and dying in his 80's. Trump is certainly mentally and physically sharper than Biden, but Trump lost both of his siblings in recent years and he is not a paragon of health.
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I will still vote for him in 2024 if he is the Candidate, but now I prefer DeSantis.