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How Do We Solve The Problem Of Inequality Between The Rich And The Poor?


               
2022 Jun 23, 5:55am   1,955 views  37 comments

by ohomen171   follow (2)  

#inequality One of our readers who lives in Montreal called me a few days ago. He had just returned from a business trip to Vancouver. He had come face to face with people living in tents, drug usage, and homelessness. He had always been very proud of Canada for avoiding this blight that curses many American cities including nearby San Francisco. He blamed it on inequality.
He was correct. Vancouver is one of the most attractive destinations for people wanting to relocate to another county. It has beautiful scenery, a low crime rate, a stable government, and wonderful things to do and see. This has led to affluent people from all over the world moving to live there. Housing prices have literally "gone crazy."
This has led to heated investor interest that has driven up the price of housing and rents even more. The middle class, once the centerpiece of Vancouver life, has been driven out. This has created a vacuum that is prompting the rise in homelessness, drug usage, etc. I have a dear swim friend whose brother lives in Vancouver and owns a condominium there. He says that the problems there are not as bad as those in American cities yet.
In 4 months, I will make it to 74 years of age. A question haunts me. I do not have an answer for it. How do we solve the problem of the economic inequality between the rich and the poor? Russia and China launched a massive experience with Marxism, The goal was to solve the inequality issue. This experiment failed. In the US and England, the income tax rates on the highest wage earner were raised to 90%. Inheritance taxes were raised to assure that parents could not transfer their wealth to their children and their other family members. This did not work.
I lived through 5 years of socialism in Australia. Income taxes were 50% or higher. The economy was heavily regulated including rent control. There were very few rich people and very few poor people. But life was far from perfect.
There are all sorts of suggestions about how to solve the problem. We could get into intense political discussions. I shall pass on this.
I'm going to surprise you and praise my native state of Texas. Years ago, they had an idea to increase prosperity and wages. It started with making education either free or very low cost. At the same time, an economic environment that encouraged companies to invest and grow. As skilled workers got their education, they went to well-paying jobs. Sadly, Texas of today has veered away from the original idea that created prosperity.
Elena has a very fatalistic idea about inequality as follows:
"Either one is born with money or they will never get it."
I calmly point out to her the history of her life. Elena was born in a very lower-middle-class family that was what I call "one-click above the slums." I also point out the history of my domestic partner in the 1980s-Antonieta. She literally was born in a Guatemala slum to a mother with no husband. Both women now live upper-middle-class lives here in California. Elena says she and Antonieta are exceptions to the rule. I disagree. There is a saying that I love as follows:
"Cream rises to the top." Elena and Antonieta are both most remarkable women in intellect, talent, character, and a strong work ethic.

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27   fdhfoiehfeoi   2024 Jan 2, 9:58am  

GNL says

Still, our system is way better than communism.

I've never seen that before. Yes, I believe this is mostly true but, imo it really is about IQ + sticktoitiveness.


Our system has been heavily Communist since the 30's thanks to FDR. On the hard work can make anyone rich, read the Harvard paper that found 90% of wealth is inherited. Not saying to give up, just don't play their game if you want to succeed.
28   fdhfoiehfeoi   2024 Jan 2, 10:00am  

HeadSet says

All those successful non-chain restaurants, shops, bars, and stores you see are "entrepreneurships." They won't all get rich, but can make a good middle class living.


Might have been true in the past, but the Scamdemic targeted these people heavily, and inflation continues to pound them. Most will barely eek out a living the way things are going.
29   RWSGFY   2024 Jan 2, 10:42am  

NuttBoxer says

HeadSet says


All those successful non-chain restaurants, shops, bars, and stores you see are "entrepreneurships." They won't all get rich, but can make a good middle class living.


Might have been true in the past, but the Scamdemic targeted these people heavily, and inflation continues to pound them. Most will barely eek out a living the way things are going.


They were also showered with gubmint cheese in form of grants and cheap loans during that very "pandemic". It's also very easy for them to cheat on taxes, so I would't cry a river over their supposedly horrible fate. And, unlike your average working stiff with a W-2, they can actually raise their prices whenever they feel the need, whereas all the W2 guy can do is ask for a raise and then look into switching jobs if denied. Which is not as easy as changing numbers in the price list/menu.
30   RWSGFY   2024 Jan 2, 10:45am  

Drugs are expensive, aren't they? So are the drug users really that poor or they just choose to spend on different neccessities/luxuries than you and me? Isn't it "you can afford anything you want, just not everything at the same time" kinda situation?
31   TheAntiPanicanLearingCenter   2024 Jan 2, 11:03am  

Urban Wokester places are padding the bills with percentages for "Employee Health Care" or adding "Mandatory 20% gratiuity" for one-two person tables or putting in "20%? 25%? 30%? as a choice on a payment screen" or asking for tips for take out counter personnel.

All of this is to deliberately mislead the customer as to the cost of a meal.







Started in Commiesota, too:
https://www.kare11.com/article/news/what-is-this-health-and-wellness-charge-on-my-food-bill/89-605763428

Apparently customers are now expected to pay benefits to servers.
32   SunnyvaleCA   2024 Jan 2, 1:39pm  

RWSGFY says

Drugs are expensive, aren't they? So are the drug users really that poor or they just choose to spend on different neccessities/luxuries than you and me? Isn't it "you can afford anything you want, just not everything at the same time" kinda situation?
Drugs are plentiful and inexpensive in San Francisco. That, in addition to government handout programs, an easy beggar situation, an even easier shoplifting situation, and a mild climate, are some of the top reason people move to SF. People can afford the $20/day for opiates and live otherwise productive lives. The problem is that the opiates soon destroy their productivity, which means they use all their money for opiates and scrounge for the minimum of life's necessities.
33   SunnyvaleCA   2024 Jan 2, 1:45pm  

GNL says

I don't want to live in a 3rd world shithole but, I believe we will at some point if we can't or refuse to grow the middle class.

The current "immigration" situation means it's not possible to avoid the shithole. Even if the USA could put lots more people on the path to middle-class, that would just incentivize even more poor 3rd-worlders to move here. With open borders (actually, worse the "open", as there are programs to help move people here) the equilibrium of immigration will be reached when the USA is no better than the places these people are coming from. If the USA somehow managed to soak up and make middle-class the words' 2 billion poor people — completely depopulating all poor countries — then the USA would be far and away out of natural resources.
34   SunnyvaleCA   2024 Jan 2, 2:04pm  

Here's a thought: Change immigration to resemble that of many other sensible countries. The idea is that you only let in people who immediately enter the middle class. Some basics for the USA should be: proficient in written and spoken English, possessing job skills that are in high demand, and (during the 5-year probationary period) earning at least middle-class income.
35   HeadSet   2024 Jan 2, 3:13pm  

RWSGFY says

And, unlike your average working stiff with a W-2, they can actually raise their prices whenever they feel the need, whereas all the W2 guy can do is ask for a raise and then look into switching jobs if denied. Which is not as easy as changing numbers in the price list/menu.

No business can raise prices without losing sales. If so, and you sell 100 hamburgers a day, just boost the price from $10 to $20 per burger and make twice as much! Also, businesses around here had to seriously raise wages just to get employees at all. Owning a business is not the license to print money you think it is.
36   Tenpoundbass   2024 Jan 2, 8:01pm  

With thorough antitrust laws being enforced diligently and a robust Small Business Administration.
37   stereotomy   2024 Jan 2, 8:49pm  

In the ancient Greek Polis, any citizen who became too rich or powerful was subject to censure and banishment, their fate decided by the other citizens. They used discarded pottery shards (called _ostraka) to record their votes. This is the origin of word "ostracize."

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