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It's true all over the earth - as people move from the countryside where children are an asset to cities where they are a liability, they have fewer children. And it's easier for them to do that because of birth control.

At least the Amish and the Orthodox Jews are still reproducing at a good clip. And mell, too!

Most wealth in any country is in the land and property.

Western birthrates have been declining for decades.

Smart people read charts.

Thus you have mass immigration.

It doesn't matter if an employed citizen or government/NGO on behalf of a refugee is paying, as long as you get your landlord rent.

That's a good argument for Georgism right there, @AmericanKulak

https://twitter.com/FonsDK/status/1619740864888324099?ref_src=patrick.net

45% of women over 35 in the US will be childless and single by 2030.

And yet traffic is getting worse ..

Yep, those women are out driving instead of being home having babies.

https://notthebee.com/article/throwback-john-lennon-says-overpopulation-is-a-myth-that-the-government-has-thrown-out-there-to-keep-your-mind-off-important-subjects

https://waitbutwhy.com/2015/03/7-3-billion-people-one-building.html

Patrick says

https://waitbutwhy.com/2015/03/7-3-billion-people-one-building.html

Yes you could stuff that number of people into it, however, you'd not be able to feed them.

My brother in law raises cows, you'd be surprised how much land they need to survive, and they're just basically machines to turn plant material into protein. On 1/2 the field they eat the grass down to nearly nothing, then he moves them to the other 1/2, and they do it again, and then he moves them again back, and in winter, he has to buy feed.

We're probably more efficient, but we need to consume SOME animal protein of some sort. You can't appreciate how much land you need to survive until you really attempt it and you wouldn't want to survive just on your own. You wouldn't have spices for example, everything would be bland and tasteless. I also wouldn't be surprised to find out that many spices are good for you, giving you trace vitamins and minerals. There's got to be a reason they taste so good.

Patrick says

Number of children by political affiliation.

And I'm guessing that those a pre-jab statistics. It's going to be even more skewed post-jab.

richwicks says

Yes you could stuff that number of people into it, however, you'd not be able to feed them.

https://permaculturism.com/how-much-land-does-it-take-to-feed-one-person/

About 5.5 acres per person.

So how many acres of usable land are there in the world?

1 cow is about 1 to 3 acres depending on whether it's Green Ireland or Australian Outback.

The acreage also depends on how "Hands Are" you are. If you're more hands off it's closer to 3 acres, if you carefully reset a mini paddock every day or so and it's east of the Rockies, you could get closer to the 1 acre figure.

A cow produces hundreds of pounds of meat. More if you eat the head cheese, organ meats, and boil every bone for marrow and bone broth. A dairy cow with or without calves is closer to the 3 acres, maybe a little over. You can also get smaller varieties of cattle.

If you like mutton, or goat, you can have several on 1-3 acres no problem, plus milk and cheese. There are many small breeds of goat that produce well but eat little.

That leaves at least 2 acres for vegetables, cereals, potatoes (very calorie dense), and a few chickens and/or small fish pond, some trellises for a vineyard, beehives, and a small grove of fruit trees. Not to mention a house and driveway. All very do-able.

Plenty to have an incredibly well balanced diet and probably 2-4 people depending on age in a typical Western occupied lands (Pennsylvania, Wales, Perm, etc.)

Patrick says

About 5.5 acres per person.

That is to feed only, with a hand to mouth existence. Now consider water. Also consider resources needed to generate electricity and fuel for a non-3rd world existence. Materials for houses and cars. Just because you have elbow room does not make it work.

Patrick says

richwicks says

Yes you could stuff that number of people into it, however, you'd not be able to feed them.

https://permaculturism.com/how-much-land-does-it-take-to-feed-one-person/

About 5.5 acres per person.

So how many acres of usable land are there in the world?

Be careful, this site is Veg friendly and is exaggerating the benefits of Veg or primarily Veg diets. Truth is in temperate climes it's difficult to have a nutritious diet on Veg only. Raw Calories don't tell the whole story. Complete Proteins (not partial) and Fats are very hard to get from vegetarian in a non-tropical, non-Med climate with no imports of avocadoes, Olives, etc.

AmericanKulak says

Be careful, this site is Veg friendly and is exaggerating the benefits of Veg or primarily Veg diets. Truth is in temperate climes it's difficult to have a nutritious diet on Veg only. Raw Calories don't tell the whole story. Complete Proteins (not partial) and Fats are very hard to get from vegetarian in a non-tropical, non-Med climate with no imports of avocadoes, Olives, etc.

You cannot, be a vegan. Vegetarian, yeah, it's actually quite easy as you can eat eggs and dairy.

There really is no such thing as a vegan. It's impossible for a human being to live without some animal byproducts. There's never been a society that existed that was "vegan", but there's plenty of vegetarian ones.

richwicks says

AmericanKulak says

Be careful, this site is Veg friendly and is exaggerating the benefits of Veg or primarily Veg diets. Truth is in temperate climes it's difficult to have a nutritious diet on Veg only. Raw Calories don't tell the whole story. Complete Proteins (not partial) and Fats are very hard to get from vegetarian in a non-tropical, non-Med climate with no imports of avocadoes, Olives, etc.

You cannot, be a vegan. Vegetarian, yeah, it's actually quite easy as you can eat eggs and dairy.

There really is no such thing as a vegan. It's impossible for a human being to live without some animal byproducts. There's never been a society that existed that was "vegan", but there's plenty of vegetarian ones.

And the most vegetarian, South India, has the highest heart disease. The healthiest populations eat fish and pickled, salted veggies with little bread or pasta.

AmericanKulak says

And the most vegetarian, South India, has the highest heart disease. The healthiest populations eat fish and pickled, salted veggies with little bread or pasta.

I was vegetarian for basically 1/2 my life. I don't think it's particularly more healthy, but you do have to eat a lot more food to function.

I still don't tend to eat meat very often, although I'm making a chicken casserole right now.

https://amandascookin.com/million-dollar-chicken-casserole/

Never had it, but I'm curious how it will turn out. I'm omitting the crackers and butter - that seems a bit over the top given the ingredients.

AmericanKulak says

Patrick says

richwicks says

Yes you could stuff that number of people into it, however, you'd not be able to feed them.

https://permaculturism.com/how-much-land-does-it-take-to-feed-one-person/

About 5.5 acres per person.

So how many acres of usable land are there in the world?

Be careful, this site is Veg friendly and is exaggerating the benefits of Veg or primarily Veg diets. Truth is in temperate climes it's difficult to have a nutritious diet on Veg only. Raw Calories don't tell the whole story. Complete Proteins (not partial) and Fats are very hard to get from vegetarian in a non-tropical, non-Med climate with no imports of avocadoes, Olives, etc.

Ah, that 5.5 acres per person is indeed bullshit.

https://www.fao.org/sustainability/news/detail/en/c/1274219/

Globally agricultural land area is approximately five billion hectares

5 * 2.4 acres per hectare = 10.4 billion acres / 8 billion people = 1.3 acres per person

So each person does not require all that much land. I knew a family in the midwest whose front lawn was an acre.

One acre:

https://palexander.substack.com/p/too-late-merkel-flooded-europe-and

Too late, Merkel flooded Europe & set upon you your own funeral pyres, you Europe & Denmark are flooded by the wolf, raping across Europe, too late, you are being hollowed out, jihad by immigration

They will breed you out of existence, this is why Meloni is critical to Italy, lets see, this is what Obama sought to do America and Biden is completing it, yes, the wolf is coming via Mexico, said I

https://notthebee.com/article/hard-to-believe-the-chinese-birth-rate-is-absolutely-cratering-isnt-it

Patrick says

Ah, that 5.5 acres per person is indeed bullshit.

Right.

1 cow to 1.5 lush acres with good rotation of paddocks or 3-4 hardscrabble, non-rotated, or less intensive acres = ~500lb of useable meat, which is almost 10lb of meat/person/week for a year. And as said elsewhere, that's finicky Modern Appetites not including Bone Broth from the marrow, head cheese, organ meat, etc.

Or to put it another way, one cow/person = About 1 Eight Ounce Steak or two quarter-pounder burgers pretty much every day of year with meat to spare.

And this is organic, free range cows. Not finishing the cows or raising them entirely in feed lots, which would be much less land/cow.

There should be a formula for how to live a life of independence from the grid. How much land and water do you need? What plants and animals work best at a certain latitude?

I suppose farmers know all this already, especially the Amish.

Patrick says

There should be a formula for how to live a life of independence from the grid. How much land and water do you need? What plants and animals work best at a certain latitude?

I suppose farmers know all this already, especially the Amish.

Depends on the soil and the land. 5 acres in Pennsylvania != 5 acres in West Texas.

Global Warming would be great for Russia and Canada. The Siberian Federal District is the size of the Northwest Territories, Yukon, and Nunavut combined, probably toss in half of Quebec. Or THREE (3) Alaskas. And that's not a third of Siberia. Almost 4.5M km2 or 1.6M sq. miles.

Patrick says

There should be a formula for how to live a life of independence from the grid. How much land and water do you need? What plants and animals work best at a certain latitude?

I suppose farmers know all this already, especially the Amish.

Growing up in Alaska, with parents who likes to farm, i can tell you that potatoes do exceptionally well in a boreal environment, as do cabbages, beans, peas, and leafy vegetables. The constant light in the summer (it’s never dark) means they can grow to tremendous size!
Just forget about corn, but barley might do ok.
You’ll need a greenhouse for tomatoes and cucumbers.

Patrick says

There should be a formula for how to live a life of independence from the grid. How much land and water do you need? What plants and animals work best at a certain latitude?

I suppose farmers know all this already, especially the Amish.

Yea, if you want to forgo a 1st World lifestyle. 5 acres in central Virginia with some woods and you can grow enough food and have a cow and chickens. Dig a well for water and use water very sparingly - no showers. Use an outhouse. No electricity. Wood stove for cooking and heat. This is how my dad's parents lived.

https://notthebee.com/article/it-looks-like-the-world-is-nearing-peak-population

Patrick says

I suppose farmers know all this already, especially the Amish.

Obligatory:

https://barsoom.substack.com/p/depopulocalypse

https://alexberenson.substack.com/p/very-urgent-the-fertility-crisis

The fertility crisis in mRNA countries is deepening

Why will no one investigate the plunge in births since 2021?

The global baby bust is worsening - and the problem is deepest in countries that relied most heavily on mRNA Covid shots.

Most notably, several nations that had stable birth levels before the mRNAs were introduced in 2021 have seen sharp drops since. Sweden had about 115,000 births annually from 2012 to 2021. Last year, births plunged to 105,000. In 2023, they are tracking below 100,000. Germany has a similar trend.

Meanwhile, Eastern European nations like Bulgaria - which had much lower mRNA jab rates - have seen in some cases increases in births in the last year.

AmericanKulak says

Most wealth in any country is in the land and property.

Western birthrates have been declining for decades.

Smart people read charts.

Thus you have mass immigration.

It doesn't matter if an employed citizen or government/NGO on behalf of a refugee is paying, as long as you get your landlord rent.

Catholics, Muslims, Hindus, and Mormons will survive and continue to populate. Big cities will die off from corruption, internal rot, fire, and disease.

rocketjoe79 says

as long as you get your landlord rent

Georgism would fix this problem.

https://alexberenson.substack.com/p/very-urgent-the-fertility-crisis

The global baby bust is worsening - and the problem is deepest in countries that relied most heavily on mRNA Covid shots.

Most notably, several nations that had stable birth levels before the mRNAs were introduced in 2021 have seen sharp drops since. Sweden had about 115,000 births annually from 2012 to 2021. Last year, births plunged to 105,000. In 2023, they are tracking below 100,000. Germany has a similar trend.

Meanwhile, Eastern European nations like Bulgaria - which had much lower mRNA jab rates - have seen in some cases increases in births in the last year.

https://igorchudov.substack.com/p/antivaxxers-blamed-for-hijacking

Today's news is a sudden and unexpected plunge in birth rates in Australia.




Australia’s News.Com.Au has an article about it, and they blame… climate change!

Patrick says

Australia’s News.Com.Au has an article about it, and they blame… climate change!

Paranoia Politics

The paranoid approach to politics requires demands for the impossible to be achieved thus creating failure which sustains the sense of powerlessness among the movement’s adherents.

https://slaynews.com/news/australia-fertility-rates-plummet-lowest-level-record/

Australia’s Fertility Rates Plummet to Lowest Level on Record

... According to the report from Australia’s 7 News:

“It’s currently at around 1.7, below the 2.1 rate needed for a stable population.

“During the first three months of this year, the number of births in public maternity wards in New South Wales was the lowest since records began 13 years ago.”