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What the fuck are Free Mason's???

Rumor is the City of London and the Vatican own and lease every single Masonic building in the USA. Like I say, a rumor.

@Ceffer. That's a well worn charge, but it is simply NOT true. It is not a pyramid scheme. The Scottish Rite (an appendant body, that is to say an independent body made up of Masons) does have 32 "degrees" plus an honorary 33... but anyone who is a "Master Mason" (having received the first three degrees), can become a 32 degree Scottish rite Mason in a weekend.

Also each State (or county) has an independently run Grand Lodge. There is non inner cabal of master puppeteers. Sorry to disappoint you.

I'd also like to see your reviews of the way Freemasons have been depicted on TV shows (The Simpson's, I think).

And I still want to know WTF is a "Free Mason"?

Ceffer says

Rumor is the City of London and the Vatican own and lease every single Masonic building in the USA. Like I say, a rumor.

Not all rumors are true. My lodge owns our building.

The Vatican - Masonic connection is a colorful one. Officially the Roman Catholic church has been against Masonic Membership historically. In 1982 when the revised the Cannon Law, the explicit reference to Freemasonry was removed, leading to some confusion.

I know several Catholics who are also Masons. Some more overtly than others.

zzyzzx says

What the fuck are Free Mason's???

Possibly one of the oldest Fraternites in the world. What we know today as Freemasonry has its roots in the founding of the United Grand Lodge of England in 1717, when four Masonic Lodges agreed to oversee each others work to promote some uniformity of ritual. (Ritual is what we call the various degrees we go through, each with teaches specific moral and social lessons). But our roots extend back further than that.

Much of our world view is based on enligtnemnt ideals from the late 17 and early 18 century. The ideas of freedom of thought, freedom of speech, freedom of religion, etc. Subversive at the time but commonplace today, present erosion of constitutional liberties in the name of security notwithstanding.

Interestingly enough Mason meeting are apolitical. Neither politics or religion can be discussed. Leads to too much division amongst the members. Better if we focus on each doing our part to help society by helping our fellow man.

"The Secret Societies in Chatham House at Number 10 St James's Square"
https://journal.rajeshtaylor.com/the-secret-societies-in-chatham-house-at-10-st-james-square/
We know how those 'secret societies' are only operating in our best interests. More like gimlet eyed reptiles contemplating us as comestibles and consumables. The Rhodes Scholarship is reputedly a World Masonic induction for those who receive it (Hello, Bill Clinton).

zzyzzx says

I'd also like to see your reviews of the way Freemasons have been depicted on TV shows (The Simpson's, I think).

And I still want to know WTF is a "Free Mason"?

I love the stone cutter bit from The Simpsons.
("Who holds back the eletic car? We do!")

Before there was the fraternity of FreeMasosn there was an actual trade guild of operative masons who worked with free stone. Effectively the unions that built the cathedrals of old. They were learned in art, architecture, math, science, etc. and as such had freedom to travel globally at a time when few left whatever village they were born in.

The Master Maons of old built Europe. Literally. We harken back to their legacy.

Well, I'm sure the Masons at community level are probably very enjoyable as an altruistic club. Because of their numerous meeting halls and 'secret meeting places', they have been infiltrated over the ages by not so altruistic Illuminati types.

It's like your stock in trade CIA guy who believes that the CIA observe laws that they don't operate internally against US citizens, and most of them observe the legal dictates. They spend their time doing the more routine tasks of running agents and gathering street level intelligence wherever they can and however they can all over the world.

However, we know that the CIA internationally is a consortium based in Switzerland, and is a reconstitution of the Nazi SS and Gestapo who run criminal enterprises to make sure that cash flows from these criminal enterprises don't wind up in the 'wrong hands' LOL! as if they are the 'right hands'.

Anybody who thinks the CIA doesn't operate against the US citizens internally has their head in the sand. It's just the chambered leadership groups and the special ops groups who do it, insulated from the rank and file.

All of the Satanic groups operate through altruistic handles, titles and front organizations/foundations. It's part of the mandatory Satanic inversions.

A child trafficking shopping cart might very well be called "Children WIth Aids Rescue Foundation".

GreaterNYCDude says

Literally. We harken back to their legacy.

That doesn't answer my question which is what do FreeMasons do?

zzyzzx says

what do FreeMasons do?

We get together regularly (often once or twice a month) break bread, meet, hang out for a bit, then go home. Meetings consist of ritual (a formalized cermony), annoncments, education on a topic of mutual interest (often based on our varios cermonies and symbolism) and administrative stuff, such as voting to pay the utility bill.

Sure we'll hold fundraisers for good causes, food drives, blood drives, etc. But mostly we do our charitable works on the individual, rather than group level, and often anonymously.

We're not in it for the accolades or the connections or the "secrets". We're members because we enjoy each other's company. Our shared experience of going through each Masonic degree gives us a common reference point from which any given conversation can meander in a range of directions. In day to day life we probably never would have crossed paths, but within the context of a lodge, we are friends and "brothers".

Do the meetings include copious amounts of alchohol?

stfu says

Do the meetings include copious amounts of alchohol?

Depends on the lodge. Some are dry. Most aren't. But don't confuse the fact that we are a fraternity with Animal House. Temperance (that is to say moderation in all things) is a virtue we hold in high regard. In my jurisdiction, "habitual drunkness" is a Masonic offense and would get one thrown out. Being a sloppy drinker is frowned upon. But we know how to have a good time (within reason)

Do you have members that could create great architectural feats on par with the ones created by masons that came before?

Who built the National Cathedral?

Does Freemasonry hold secrets that would be required to recreate great works that have never been recreated?

I hope my questions make sense.

GNL says

Do you have members that could create great architectural feats on par with the ones created by masons that came before?


Not anymore. There was a transition from "Operative" Masonry to "Speculative" masonry in the 1600s as the cathedral projects of the renisance wound down.

By the 1700's the focus had shifted to building of our character. Three hundred years on very little has changed. Excepting thoes who's chosen profession is in a trade, we don't build anything.


Who built the National Cathedral?

Does Freemasonry hold secrets that would be required to recreate great works that have never been recreated?

I hope my questions make sense.

In a word, yes and no. As far as I know neither of the lead architects on the National Cathedral were Masons, however Piere L'Enfant, whoes original design for the city included plans for a house of worship, was a known Freemason.

Could we recreate the pyramids or King Solomns Temple or other ancient works of renown? Possibly some of us could. But economics and modern sensibilities preclude building projects of this size and scale.

GreaterNYCDude says

GNL says

Do you have members that could create great architectural feats on par with the ones created by masons that came before?


Not anymore. There was a transition from "Operative" Masonry to "Speculative" masonry in the 1600s as the cathedral projects of the renisance wound down.

By the 1700's the focus had shifted to building of our character. Three hundred years on very little has changed. Excepting thoes who's chosen profession is in a trade, we don't build anything.


Who built the National Cathedral?

Does Freemasonry hold secrets that would be required to recreate great works that have never been recreated?

I hope my questions make sense.

In a word, yes and no. As far as I know neither of the lead architects on the National Cathedral were Masons, however Piere L'Enfant, whoes original design for the city included plans for a ...

So, there are or are not any secrets held by the masons concerning building methods unknown to the rest of the world?

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🇬🇧 Video from the United Grand Lodge of England - Freemasons

WTF? The big eye is super creepy.

Yes. That particular eye is a bit creepy. The all seeing eye represents Divine Providence; that the creator watches and looks after his creation.

As I'm sure you all know... the same symbol is on the dollar bill.

FWIW there are very few prerequisites to joining.

1) Be a Man.
2) Join of your own Free Will
3) Belive in God / A Supreme being
4) Belive in the immortality of the soul.
5) Be of Good Moral Character.

It helps to be a "man of learning" but that's not a necessity.

Masonry transitioned from "Operative" (building cathedrals, etc.) to "Speculative" (using tools of architecture to teach deeper moral lessons) sometimes in the 1600s, give or take. The Renaissance was more or less over by the late 1500s and the Enlightenment Era had not quite begun.

In 1717, four local London lodges got together to form the first "Grand Lodge". Lodges were then, as they are now a places where ideas could be discussed without fear of reprisal from church or state. Keep in mind this was during the Enlightment when "modern" science started to emerge.

The only two topics off limit were Religion and Politics, but this was understandable given that England had just gone through a bitter Religous Civil War in the mid 1600's.

Then, as now, members came from all walks of life, but tended to be "men of learning". It's a place where we can meet and discuss how to better oursleves and society at large.