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GNL
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2022 Sep 29, 9:37am
GNL
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2022 Sep 29, 9:37am
ohomen171 says
Maybe ask yourself...
1) why is he being cornered?
2) is it a good idea to corner him?
3) if we corner him and he lashes out like he said he would ("there will be no world without Russia"), whose fault is it?
4) why do you think Putin is stupid?
5) do you think there's such a thing as US propaganda?
I do not claim to know the truth of things. I do know that our own government is no better than Russian government. I hope you don't end up with a transgendered son/daughter.
I'm thinking more and more that all the world is playing their part in this great play. The whole world is a stage.
The New York Times came out with an Op-Ed yesterday pointing out all the awful things that Vladimir Putin can still do as he becomes a cornered wild animal.
Maybe ask yourself...
1) why is he being cornered?
2) is it a good idea to corner him?
3) if we corner him and he lashes out like he said he would ("there will be no world without Russia"), whose fault is it?
4) why do you think Putin is stupid?
5) do you think there's such a thing as US propaganda?
I do not claim to know the truth of things. I do know that our own government is no better than Russian government. I hope you don't end up with a transgendered son/daughter.
I'm thinking more and more that all the world is playing their part in this great play. The whole world is a stage.
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Tenpoundbass
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2022 Sep 29, 9:43am
Tenpoundbass
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2022 Sep 29, 9:43am
ohomen171 says
NO Putin did not steal your money, voting for Joe Biden did!
#vladimirputin We have seen our retirement funds and other investments drop in value. Even billionaires have seen big market losses. The conventional wisdom is that fear of inflation is depressing financial markets worldwide.
I have a contrarian view. I call it "The Fear of Vladimir Putin stock market."
NO Putin did not steal your money, voting for Joe Biden did!
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Tenpoundbass
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2022 Sep 29, 9:46am
Tenpoundbass
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2022 Sep 29, 9:46am
I'm white so I'm not worried about it. Us toxic white males,(With Balls and identify as Bad ass males) we give each other a pass.
I'm sure Putin's nukes will spare us White Privileged folks. It's the White Liberal fags that should worry, they aren't sure what in the fuck they are, and neither will Pootie Poos nukes.
Poke the bear lightly comrade!
I'm sure Putin's nukes will spare us White Privileged folks. It's the White Liberal fags that should worry, they aren't sure what in the fuck they are, and neither will Pootie Poos nukes.
Poke the bear lightly comrade!
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socal2
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2022 Sep 29, 9:51am
GNL says
Putin is not being cornered.
He is being asked to give back the land he stole from his sovereign neighbor. No serious person agrees that Russia has any legitimate claims on Eastern Ukraine to justify the thousands of deaths and worldwide turmoil he has caused with his ham-fisted invasion. He might have been able to get away with it if he quickly toppled Kiev, but they lost this war in the first month with their military/political incompetence and now have no hope but a grinding war of attrition - that will turn into an insurgency - so now he is threatening nukes.
All of the fault belongs to Putin. He could stop this shit overnight and still have a shot of getting back into a decent relationship with the rest of the world.
Maybe ask yourself...
1) why is he being cornered?
2) is it a good idea to corner him?
3) if we corner him and he lashes out like he said he would ("there will be no world without Russia), whose fault is it?
Putin is not being cornered.
He is being asked to give back the land he stole from his sovereign neighbor. No serious person agrees that Russia has any legitimate claims on Eastern Ukraine to justify the thousands of deaths and worldwide turmoil he has caused with his ham-fisted invasion. He might have been able to get away with it if he quickly toppled Kiev, but they lost this war in the first month with their military/political incompetence and now have no hope but a grinding war of attrition - that will turn into an insurgency - so now he is threatening nukes.
All of the fault belongs to Putin. He could stop this shit overnight and still have a shot of getting back into a decent relationship with the rest of the world.
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socal2
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2022 Sep 29, 10:58am
GNL says
Enlighten me.
What is this all about to justify thousands of needless deaths, risk of nuclear war and the total embarrassment of Russia on the world stage with their pathetic military performance?
Even if Russia manages to hang onto some bits of Eastern Ukraine, what will Putin have gained materially, economically or politically to justify the massive cost? All Putin achieved is a more united Europe, more NATO countries on Russia's borders, loss of key energy customers and hollowing out of his joke military.
Even Putin's propagandists are having difficulty polishing this turd.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bt0AF3nN4G4
I don't think you know what this is all about.
Enlighten me.
What is this all about to justify thousands of needless deaths, risk of nuclear war and the total embarrassment of Russia on the world stage with their pathetic military performance?
Even if Russia manages to hang onto some bits of Eastern Ukraine, what will Putin have gained materially, economically or politically to justify the massive cost? All Putin achieved is a more united Europe, more NATO countries on Russia's borders, loss of key energy customers and hollowing out of his joke military.
Even Putin's propagandists are having difficulty polishing this turd.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bt0AF3nN4G4
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Shaman
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2022 Sep 29, 11:09am
Shaman
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2022 Sep 29, 11:09am
The war began because the illegitimate Ukraine government wouldn’t stop shelling civilians in these breakaway regions and wiping out villages with their Nazi brigades. When Zelenskyy ordered the massive troop build up surrounding Donetsk, with intent to wipe it out for good, Putin was asked by the residents, most of who were Russian, to intervene. After a short war, the two countries were ready to charter out a peace, but Herr Biden came charging in to say “No Peace with Russia!” Then he offered the criminal Zelenskyy and his criminal cartel billions of US dollars to continue the war.
Zelenskyy and his generals have been buying up Swiss chalets worth tens of millions in preparation for the day when their scheme falls apart and they need to scamper like the rats they are.
All of this is verifiably true. Sorry if I can’t buy the fantasy that the propaganda pushers are selling. If you guys stopped to really consider it, it wouldn’t make sense to you either. Critical thinking is mandatory these days. Foolish people who just accept the propaganda as truth are destined to live short ugly lives of pain.
Zelenskyy and his generals have been buying up Swiss chalets worth tens of millions in preparation for the day when their scheme falls apart and they need to scamper like the rats they are.
All of this is verifiably true. Sorry if I can’t buy the fantasy that the propaganda pushers are selling. If you guys stopped to really consider it, it wouldn’t make sense to you either. Critical thinking is mandatory these days. Foolish people who just accept the propaganda as truth are destined to live short ugly lives of pain.
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Onvacation
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2022 Sep 29, 11:33am
Onvacation
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2022 Sep 29, 11:33am
Shaman says
Yup
Foolish people who just accept the propaganda as truth are destined to live short ugly lives of pain.
Yup
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socal2
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2022 Sep 29, 11:43am
Shaman says
In other words, Putin did a full invasion of Ukraine because Ukraine would not accept losing a huge chunk of their country in the East to the previous Russian land grab. I highly doubt that Eastern Ukraine had majority Russian supporters anymore than Ukraine is run by Jewish Nazis. We have seen the sham elections this week with armed Chechen and Russian soldiers going door to door with ballots. Whatever Russian sympathetic Ukrainians were in the East are no longer there or have probably changed their minds after seeing the ineffective brutality of the Russian military.
Also, I don't recall Biden encouraging Zelensky to fight early on. Biden offered an evacuation to Zelensky in February when the war first started where Zelensky said he needs "bullets not a ride". Only after Ukraine was able to hold off the initial invasion did Biden and Europe see the light and begin major weapons shipments.
The war began because the illegitimate Ukraine government wouldn’t stop shelling civilians in these breakaway regions and wiping out villages with their Nazi brigades. When Zelenskyy ordered the massive troop build up surrounding Donetsk, with intent to wipe it out for good, Putin was asked by the residents, most of who were Russian, to intervene. After a short war, the two countries were ready to charter out a peace, but Herr Biden came charging in to say “No Peace with Russia!” Then he offered the criminal Zelenskyy and his criminal cartel billions of US dollars to continue the war.
In other words, Putin did a full invasion of Ukraine because Ukraine would not accept losing a huge chunk of their country in the East to the previous Russian land grab. I highly doubt that Eastern Ukraine had majority Russian supporters anymore than Ukraine is run by Jewish Nazis. We have seen the sham elections this week with armed Chechen and Russian soldiers going door to door with ballots. Whatever Russian sympathetic Ukrainians were in the East are no longer there or have probably changed their minds after seeing the ineffective brutality of the Russian military.
Also, I don't recall Biden encouraging Zelensky to fight early on. Biden offered an evacuation to Zelensky in February when the war first started where Zelensky said he needs "bullets not a ride". Only after Ukraine was able to hold off the initial invasion did Biden and Europe see the light and begin major weapons shipments.
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Ceffer
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2022 Sep 29, 11:52am
Ceffer
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2022 Sep 29, 11:52am
Putin is the current NPC sin eater hysteria shibboleth. This crown will shift depending on the cloaking requirements of the actual world criminals exercising the gullible.
Putin has been very useful lately in exterminating numerous, annoying public figures and crumbling celebrities. Who needs vaxocide when you hav Putin?
Putin has been very useful lately in exterminating numerous, annoying public figures and crumbling celebrities. Who needs vaxocide when you hav Putin?
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mell
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2022 Sep 29, 12:18pm
socal2 says
Highly doubtful - it was the Ukraine which did persistent shelling into the "breakaway" regions. It is highly likely and plausible that the majority in those regions wanted and wants to belong to Russia, whether they have a "right to belong" or not. I have known at least a few, and they were never intimated to think that way. Anecdotal evidence of course, but occams razor says putin "forcing the correct vote" in donbass/crimea militarily is a fairy tale at best, propaganda at worst. Whether it justifies what he did is doubtful as well, but it's at least understandable in the sense that it's not some erratic behavior of a madman, but a calculating leader/dictator. US/Nato did the same thing in ex-Yugoslvia/Kosovo, no questions asked or negotiations offered, just sudden warfare violating existing treaties to get the outcome they wanted.
I highly doubt that Eastern Ukraine had majority Russian supporters anymore than Ukraine is run by Jewish Nazis. We have seen the sham elections this week with armed Chechen and Russian soldiers going door to door with ballots.
Highly doubtful - it was the Ukraine which did persistent shelling into the "breakaway" regions. It is highly likely and plausible that the majority in those regions wanted and wants to belong to Russia, whether they have a "right to belong" or not. I have known at least a few, and they were never intimated to think that way. Anecdotal evidence of course, but occams razor says putin "forcing the correct vote" in donbass/crimea militarily is a fairy tale at best, propaganda at worst. Whether it justifies what he did is doubtful as well, but it's at least understandable in the sense that it's not some erratic behavior of a madman, but a calculating leader/dictator. US/Nato did the same thing in ex-Yugoslvia/Kosovo, no questions asked or negotiations offered, just sudden warfare violating existing treaties to get the outcome they wanted.
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socal2
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2022 Sep 29, 1:00pm
mell says
Which wouldn't have happened if Russia didn't invade and grab the breakaway regions to begin with. Was Ukraine just supposed to sit back while Russia kept grabbing it's territory?
Again, if the Russian military were competent and pulled the invasion off in a few months with minimal loss of life - it would be a different story. It would still be an illegitimate invasion and land grab, but no one would be talking about using nukes or freezing out millions of people in Europe.
Russia's incompetence is putting the whole fucking world at risk.
Russia can not win a decisive conventional victory at this point. Long past time for them to pack up and go home. Eastern Ukraine will be a festering sore for Russia for years to come if they think they can try and hold onto it.
Highly doubtful - it was the Ukraine which did persistent shelling into the "breakaway" regions
Which wouldn't have happened if Russia didn't invade and grab the breakaway regions to begin with. Was Ukraine just supposed to sit back while Russia kept grabbing it's territory?
Again, if the Russian military were competent and pulled the invasion off in a few months with minimal loss of life - it would be a different story. It would still be an illegitimate invasion and land grab, but no one would be talking about using nukes or freezing out millions of people in Europe.
Russia's incompetence is putting the whole fucking world at risk.
Russia can not win a decisive conventional victory at this point. Long past time for them to pack up and go home. Eastern Ukraine will be a festering sore for Russia for years to come if they think they can try and hold onto it.
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I have a contrarian view. I call it "The Fear of Vladimir Putin stock market." The Ukraine war has "turned the world on its ear." Energy markets have been disrupted. Food markets have been disrupted. Commodity markets have been disrupted. The New York Times came out with an Op-Ed yesterday pointing out all the awful things that Vladimir Putin can still do as he becomes a cornered wild animal.
This man is simply a bully and a thug. If people stand up to him, they will stop him. This "superman" has failed miserably in Ukraine with 80,000 men and women killed including a massive number of senior officers in 7 months. All his armed forces have failed. His Air Force cannot carry out serious combat operations because they do not have proper communications systems to keep their planes from being shot down by "friendly fire." His Navy is in hiding and will not come out and fight. We see corruption ad incompetence on a grand scale. There are all sorts of reports on the deterioration of his feared nuclear arsenal. How well will it work? I think not well.
Let us go back to the Cuban missile crisis in 1962 and 1983. Mid-level Soviet officers (say Lt. Colonel) had their hands right on the keys to fire nuclear warheads. They both realized the enormity of such a move. They refused to fire. If history is any guide, the officers under Putin will not carry out the orders to fire nuclear weapons if Putin issues such orders.
If Putin does fire nuclear warheads, he will be hit by two US cyber-attacks lasting only nanoseconds. One will take his internet offline permanently. The other will take down his electricity grid for many months. (Imagine being with no electric power for 4-5 months!) Russia will break apart, as the old Soviet Union did.