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Leaning Towards Not Paying Taxes


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2022 Oct 14, 5:45am   4,264 views  32 comments

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My wife and I are waiting for our tax refund. Tweeting at Janet Yellen hasn't worked. We are still waiting for our tax refund after six months. I'm leaning towards telling the governor of Texas to secede so I don't have to deal with the IRS anymore. Anybody want to do a federal income tax boycott here?

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1   Onvacation   2022 Oct 14, 6:02am  

Go ahead and poke the bear. Tell us how it works out.
2   WookieMan   2022 Oct 14, 6:30am  

I got my refund 2 weeks after filing. And yes I know, I shouldn't be getting refunds as that was my money anyway. Our situation is complicated. Not sure what Janet Yellen has to do with it. Just call the IRS if you haven't gotten your return and/or mail them with evidence of tax returns and what you're owed. If you're savvy enough you can sue the IRS on your own without an attorney as it's your money they're holding. Seems like a slam dunk self representation case where you have documents that prove it. Or you don't?

Waiting 6 months to get anything done makes me skeptical of your story. Not gonna lie. I don't care either way, but who waits 6 months to get money back that they earned? Feel like there's more to this than you're putting on.
3   SoTex   2022 Oct 14, 7:56am  

WookieMan says


If you're savvy enough you can sue the IRS on your own without an attorney as it's your money they're holding.


Ha! I can't even sue the post office for not giving me the key to my mailbox after I moved. They charged me $25 too and I've been without mail for a month. So far 3 hours going to see them and each time they say they'll do it but they never show up.

Guess who I get to complain to: The post office. After that USPS customer support. After that I suppose I could get a lawyer but from what I've read it won't get very far.

Somehow I've rented in an area with THE WORST post office in the country. My dad says they're overwhelmed with so many Californian's moving to TX but I DGAF give me my fucking mail!
4   WookieMan   2022 Oct 14, 8:30am  

just_passing_through says

Somehow I've rented in an area with THE WORST post office in the country. My dad says they're overwhelmed with so many Californian's moving to TX but I DGAF give me my fucking mail!

You could file a lawsuit today against any entity. That's America. The government gets sued all the time. Sucks you can't get your mail though. They also know it's likely not worth your time and money to sue over it as well so they just don't care. It's the most mundane job on the planet hence why people go postal.

I also don't do anything by mail. Send or receive. Obviously I get marketing shit and a crap ton of CC offers as a points guy. We'll go weeks without checking ours. USPS is basically just marketing at this point. Any account worth paying I can access via internet or cell phone. I throw out my paper bills for utilities and the like. Haven't looked at my mortgage statement in 3-4 years.

Tax time is the only concern, but even then I still get 90% of that shit online. USPS has value, but not much for me in all honesty.
5   Shaman   2022 Oct 14, 8:32am  

@justpassingthrough
Wear you’re Let’s Go Brandon shirt the next time you talk to them. Maybe a MAGA hat or a Stetson. People don’t trust Californians (with good reason) until they know that you aren’t a CUNT (Can’t Understand Normal Thinking) Commie.
6   NuttBoxer   2022 Oct 14, 8:58am  

1337irr says

Leaning Towards Not Paying Taxes


So YOU'RE the one they hired all those extra employees for!
7   FuckTheMainstreamMedia   2022 Oct 14, 9:40am  

My credit union is great so long as their exact rules and specs are followed. They become inflexible and garbage when a rule isn’t specifically followed.

A couple years ago I wrote my credit union accounts full number on my irs return and my refund didn’t go through. I called my credit union and they said the irs will have to retract the payment and then reissue it to my six digit account number.

I tried the irs every day for a few weeks and got hung up on each time by a robo system. Finally in July I got through to a live person who had to jump through crazy hoops. Finally got my $1300 back in September.

There’s no malfeasance, just a lot of bad systems in place. In this case, my credit unions inflexibility combined with the IRS’s poor customer service training conspired to make a problem that need not exist.
8   clambo   2022 Oct 14, 9:40am  

I would like to know how to not pay taxes.
My only tax free income is from a municipal bond fund.
In the future, I'll take out some $ from my Roth IRA.
I'm converting some of my IRA to Roth, but this is taxable.
Wesley Snipes and others tried to escape taxes, but they didn't succeed.
9   Ceffer   2022 Oct 14, 1:09pm  

just_passing_through says

My dad says they're overwhelmed with so many Californian's moving to TX but I DGAF give me my fucking mail!

You're in Texas now. Just shoot them.
10   1337irr   2022 Oct 14, 2:01pm  

WookieMan says

I got my refund 2 weeks after filing. And yes I know, I shouldn't be getting refunds as that was my money anyway. Our situation is complicated. Not sure what Janet Yellen has to do with it. Just call the IRS if you haven't gotten your return and/or mail them with evidence of tax returns and what you're owed. If you're savvy enough you can sue the IRS on your own without an attorney as it's your money they're holding. Seems like a slam dunk self representation case where you have documents that prove it. Or you don't?

Waiting 6 months to get anything done makes me skeptical of your story. Not gonna lie. I don't care either way, but who waits 6 months to get money back that they earned? Feel like there's more to this than you're putting on.

There might be a slight medical or immigration issue that effected the tax return that being said it didn't effect it other years.

Going to the local IRS support office the employees there are understaffed only two were there when they should have at least 20. I wonder if Joe Biden's going to raise wages for the IRS. I don't know. Texas should secede or maybe I'll just migrate to Lieberland...since "patrick.net-stan" doesn't exist yet.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liberland
11   Patrick   2022 Oct 14, 2:13pm  

cisTits says

clambo says

I would like to know how to not pay taxes.

Alternate banking system is the answer. Which of course, the IRS will go all Russian on to stamp out.


Long term, yes, alternative banking systems.

But for the immediate future, you can avoid taxes in a lot of way:

- capital gains under $80K per person are not taxed, so prefer stock to bonds
- Federal bond income cannot be taxed by the state
- some states like FL and TX have no state income tax
- max out Roth IRAs since income in them is not taxable at all
- max out IRA rollover accounts to delay taxes at least

This guy is really good:

https://www.gocurrycracker.com/
12   EBGuy   2022 Oct 14, 2:35pm  

Patrick says

capital gains under $80K per person are not taxed, so prefer stock to bonds

How about $40k per person (so $80k for a couple filing jointly).
13   Onvacation   2022 Oct 14, 4:56pm  

1337irr says


Anybody want to do a federal income tax boycott here?

Give unto seizer that which is seizers. Hire a good accountant and make sure you owe the IRS a little every year. I have never had a problem with them accepting my payment.

Just like masks, taxes are for control not efficacy. As has been pointed out many times, all of our money is printed out of thin air backed only by the good faith and credit of our government.

Thousands of armed IRS agents are not being hired because the government wants our money.
14   NuttBoxer   2022 Oct 14, 7:54pm  

In all seriousness, don't ever protest the IRS taxes. There are a long list of people they took down for doing this. Read about Schiff sometime. Guy was brilliant and ballsy, but boy did he pay for it with the way he died.

Now if you were to put your assets into LLC's in the right state so they can't be seized, and are willing to live outside the financial slave system for the rest of your life, have disowned all your family legally, so they cannot inherit your debt, and are very good at disguising where you live, you might have a chance, at least for a while. But I'd be sure to have plenty of self-defense on hand. If you were gonna do something like that, you'd want to go all the way.

Better though, don't ever get a refund. Fix your taxes so you always owe a little. If you haven't gotten your refund from last year, calculate your taxes for this year, so you get the refund back by paying less. Then if the refund comes next year, you can use it to pay what you owe.
15   Patrick   2022 Oct 14, 8:46pm  

EBGuy says

Patrick says


capital gains under $80K per person are not taxed, so prefer stock to bonds

How about $40k per person (so $80k for a couple filing jointly).


Right, I mis-stated that. $80K per married couple filing jointly.
16   AD   2022 Oct 14, 9:33pm  

1337irr says

My wife and I are waiting for our tax refund. Tweeting at Janet Yellen hasn't worked. We are still waiting for our tax refund after six months.


We filed electronically our 2020 return in March 2021 and included my wife's unemployment as income. About a month later a law was signed that stated unemployment earned in 2020 will not be taxed.

So the IRS issued a notice to not submit an amendment as they will automatically amend returns submitted that included unemployment as income.

We just got a notice that they will respond to our request (via the taxpayer advocate office and our local congressional representative) in 6 weeks about the status of our 2020 tax return's refund.

My concern is that there is a 3 year rule. That is if you do not amend a tax return to earn a refund within three years of the tax due date, then you will lose your opportunity to file an amendment. That 3 year rule's deadline would be in April 2024 for the 2020 tax return.

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17   AD   2022 Oct 14, 9:38pm  

clambo says

My only tax free income is from a municipal bond fund.


Which tax free bond fund ?

I was looking into T. Rowe Price Virginia Tax-Free Bond Fund. It is down about 16.5% from its 52 week high :-(

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18   AD   2022 Oct 14, 9:41pm  

cisTits says

But it is different for housing vs stocks vs gold coins, I thought.


Yeah, if you live in the house 2 years over the last 5 years prior to the sale then you don't pay tax on your primary residence.

This tax free rule applies up to $250,000 capital gain for a single filer and $500,000 for a couple.
19   komputodo   2022 Oct 14, 10:59pm  

Onvacation says

Go ahead and poke the bear. Tell us how it works out.

ASK WESLEY SNIPES
20   clambo   2022 Oct 15, 4:07am  

To: Ad
I own some Vanguard high yield municipal bond fund.
The value of the shares has dropped.
I also have some high yield corporate bond fund at Vanguard.
I'm not selling them so I'm not concerned about the value dropping (from rising interest rates).
I like Vanguard for bond funds because of their low fees.
21   WookieMan   2022 Oct 15, 4:40am  

ad says


This tax free rule applies up to $250,000 capital gain for a single filer and $500,000 for a couple.

This is the biggest reason to own really. You can convert a rental to primary as well. You'd still have to pay back the depreciation while say a vacation rental was used as an investment, but if you move in for two years up to $500k tax free again on the backs of renters. Then sell the rental and you buy the place you plan to die in all cash and likely have a shit ton of tax free gains from the roof over your head that you need anyway.

Renting will always have its place. We've finally settled down though. We've been in our current home 9 years(ish) Going to upsize and build and will likely be there 15 or so years. We'll walk with at least $250k tax free gain which is extremely high for our location and size of home. Kids grow though, house is too small. We tried 3 beds, 2 baths for 2 years since we added my nephew. It's not working with 3 kids....

So we're going 4/4 (I think), full finished basement, about 2,200-2,400sf above grade. I've mentioned I'll start a thread on that soon. Fuck building during Bidenomics, but it's time. We have till June 2023 to exercise the option on the land, pissed we missed our window to break ground before winter due to family issues. But more lots have sold and prices are rising so the $600 to extend is a nothing burger and hope to start in the spring. Gives us more planning time is the way I look at it and if we're in a recession prices may start dropping on materials. Fingers crossed.
22   clambo   2022 Oct 15, 8:11am  

Perhaps if you have very low income you owe no capital gains taxes, otherwise you will owe those when you sell a stock or mutual fund with a gain.
Last year I sold a fund T.Rowe Price New Asia, which I had owned since 1995 I think. I paid tax on the gains.
23   SoTex   2022 Oct 15, 10:20am  

Shaman says

People don’t trust Californians (with good reason) until they know that you aren’t a CUNT (Can’t Understand Normal Thinking) Commie.


I keep wearing a worn out old San Antonio Spurs t-shirt. I'm originally from SA. I don't think they knew I was moving from CA.
24   SoTex   2022 Oct 15, 10:21am  

Shaman says

People don’t trust Californians (with good reason) until they know that you aren’t a CUNT (Can’t Understand Normal Thinking) Commie.


I keep wearing a worn out old San Antonio Spurs t-shirt. I'm originally from SA. I don't think they knew I was moving from CA.Ceffer says

You're in Texas now. Just shoot them.


I haven't seen a single person carrying a gun since I've been back.
25   HeadSet   2022 Oct 15, 5:58pm  

WookieMan says

So we're going 4/4 (I think), full finished basement, about 2,200-2,400sf above grade. I've mentioned I'll start a thread on that soon.

Excellent, as this in actually a housing blog. I think Patnetters would be interested in the build as you go along, like if you use PEX, LVP flooring, 2x6 exterior walls, poured foundation, and even stuff like you put in that pull chain toilet, or if the wife allows a urinal in the man cave. Also, since you mentioned taking over cooking duties, your kitchen choices should be included.
26   Patrick   2022 Oct 15, 6:27pm  

clambo says


Perhaps if you have very low income you owe no capital gains taxes, otherwise you will owe those when you sell a stock or mutual fund with a gain.
Last year I sold a fund T.Rowe Price New Asia, which I had owned since 1995 I think. I paid tax on the gains.


@clambo

The state of California will always get you, but there is no federal capital gains tax on stock capital gains below $40K per person per year, $80K for a married couple.
28   clambo   2023 Jan 19, 1:48pm  

@Patrick, I guess I consider $40,000/year income in California "low income".
29   RayAmerica   2023 Jan 19, 1:57pm  

Peter Schiff's father, Irwin, was on a national crusade against paying federal income tax, basically on the grounds that they are un-Constitutional.

Irwin Schiff ended up dying in prison.
30   1337irr   2023 Jan 19, 3:09pm  

Good news, I got my income tax refund.

Bad news, my wife spent it all...she said she put it to good use :)
31   Patrick   2023 Jan 19, 5:24pm  

clambo says


Patrick, I guess I consider $40,000/year income in California "low income".


@clambo I think the official "low income" level in California is now $57K/year.

I know because I looked up getting a discount on the recently outrageous PGE bills. Also depends on number of people in the house.
32   FortwayeAsFuckJoeBiden   2023 Jan 19, 5:53pm  

Patrick says

clambo says



Patrick, I guess I consider $40,000/year income in California "low income".


clambo I think the official "low income" level in California is now $57K/year.

I know because I looked up getting a discount on the recently outrageous PGE bills. Also depends on number of people in the house.


how much are eggs back in CA?

its gone up s lot out here.

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