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Do you got any pet/s?

gabbar says

Do you got any pet/s?

I did. I did fostering for Huskies, Border Collies, Australian Shepherds and Samoyeds.

Huskies were too aloof, Border Collies and Aussies too smart, so I took in two unadoptable Samoyeds. They had problems but I adored them, I fixed their problems. One suffered from neglect another from abuse, took months to fix it.

I really loved those dogs. I was the best owner for them. I don't think anybody could have been a better owner than I was for them.

I had to put each down at 16 for each, and I can't do that again. I know I did the right thing, but it's a horrible thing to do. I was enthusiastic about doing dog rescue when I started, but when I had to put my two down, I was done. Worst thing I've ever done, and most merciful thing I've done. Euthanizing them will haunt me until my death. I know I did what had to be done, but it's not possible for me not to feel badly about it. I am glad they were in my life.

There was a lot of joy having them, but you pay a price if you actually cared for them. I had two special dogs that had bad lives before I got them, it took a great deal of effort to fix that, gave them a good and happy life, but I had to kill them in the end. It was borrowed happiness with them. I still pay for it now. They were wonderful dogs.

I don't think I will ever do it again. They were exceptional dogs, and I had more than 20 in rescue. They cannot be replaced, and it was a terrible thing I did. A natural death would have been agonizing for them, but it was a terrible thing I did. I can't do that again.

If you really care for your pets, you grieve for them eternally. It sucks they live such a short life.

richwicks says

They had problems but I adored them, I fixed their problems. One suffered from neglect another from abuse, took months to fix it.

I didn't rescue but had a neighbor growing up that pretended they did. I NEVER fucked with the dog and I think it bit me at least 5 times. We had 8 acres of land and the son of a bitch would just bite me. Wasn't playful biting as I know what that is and it was on our land. Clearly the dog was just let loose and not trained/watched at all. They felt they were doing the "good" thing. They ended up getting alpacas as well. Extremely strange family

I'm done with dogs as well. I was there for my first family dog getting put down at 5. I personally did our 2nd family dog solo at age 17. Yeah that doesn't fuck a kid up. One of many things I hated my dad for. Then my wife and our 2 dogs which the most recent being last year.

Biggest fight I ever got in with my wife. Not about the dog. We had scheduled it a week out for in house and she said her calendar was clear. Nope. Out with clients that are 100% sales annually as I sit their for 2 hours knowing she knows what's about to happen. It was 2 hours of tourture to see your dog in misery. I ripped into her pretty bad. First you don't leave someone waiting two hours as a professional for the woman doing the euthanasia and then me sitting there looking at the dog. She was avoiding the situation. She had never been there for that before, so if I'm being honest I think she was drinking to kind of numb herself. I had been too... shhhhhhhhhh.

So Rich and myself clearly ignored the OP title and went straight to death and bad things. Lol. I know Rich loved his dogs and I did mine, but it's hard taking any life and then you talk about dogs but don't currently have one yourself (myself). I won't for the foreseeable future. So my go to for whatever reason is negative. Dogs can be very uplifted depending how they connect with you. I just can't do the cycle again. Maybe once we're empty nesters and a companion would be nice. We'll see. Probably 10-15 years off.

WookieMan says

So Rich and myself clearly ignored the OP title and went straight to death and bad things. Lol. I know Rich loved his dogs and I did mine, but it's hard taking any life and then you talk about dogs but don't currently have one yourself (myself). I won't for the foreseeable future. So my go to for whatever reason is negative. Dogs can be very uplifted depending how they connect with you.

They were awesome to have. I had the best two out of over 20. I had the best dogs.

It's a terrible thing, but you get a messed up screwed up dog by some asshole, you turn that around, and they are just that much better. They were bitter, resentful, frightened animals when I got them, after a few months, they thought they had left hell and entered heaven, because I protected them from any bad experience. It was definitely worth it.

richwicks says

It's a terrible thing, but you get a messed up screwed up dog by some asshole, you turn that around, and they are just that much better. They were bitter, resentful, frightened animals when I got them, after a few months, they thought they had left hell and entered heaven, because I protected them from any bad experience. It was definitely worth it.

I was hanging with 2 rescue dogs last today(ish) and Saturday night. Really cool dogs. This girl that does it is really active in it. I don't know if it's a state thing or county level but she had the ability to look up rescue dogs on an app or something. She was talking to people and said they have X breeds in X county. I'm like WTF that's cool.

I'm gonna stick to hanging with other people's dogs for now though. I have enough friends with 2-4 dogs in one house so I get my dog time. I'm an ass hole, but usually end up with the dog(s) sleeping in my lap. Dogs for some reason like me. Not an ego thing, just an observation. Might be my anxiety and dogs feeling it (not me towards them at all). It's like hey John Doe, calm the fuck down. I'm here for you. I do miss that. Our first dog as a couple would sleep on my back at night. Chewy. Partly the reason for my username here. And I once had a mean Chewbacca growl, but vocal cords are now damaged and can no longer do it.

Yelling and younger years smoking didn't help me at all. Don't smoke folks. Fortunately I think I'm past year 7 now smoke free. No one really does it anymore so the social aspect of it went away. That was my crutch as an introvert to conversation.

Eric Holder says

Only the vaxx? LOL

The Killing Fields are Capitalist Lies! Pol Pot dindu nuttin wrong!

WookieMan says

Our first dog as a couple would sleep on my back at night. Chewy.

Kelsey used to do that. He'd settle down on the small of my back and drape is rear legs on either of my sides, and his front feed on either side of my neck, and just pass out.

I'd wake up with chest pains, but can't say it wasn't adorable and comfortable. He about 40 lbs.

AmericanKulak says

Eric Holder says

Only the vaxx? LOL

The Killing Fields are Capitalist Lies! Pol Pot dindu nuttin wrong!

The US supported Pol Pot. So of course he did nothing wrong since ghosh forid, the US government can't do any wrong.

If the US didn't support the Khmer Rouge, maybe 2 billion Cambodians wouldn't have died an early death. The US is doing this now in Ukraine. I bet the Ukrainian death toll is like 1 million.

richwicks says

f the US didn't support the Khmer Rouge, maybe 2 billion Cambodians wouldn't have died an early death. The US is doing this now in Ukraine. I bet the Ukrainian death toll is like 1 million.

Did US support Khmer Rouge? If so, then how is it different from supporting Hitler or any other monster?
Human species when seeking power is a piece of shite.
Destruction of Ukraine is by design. How is 1 million death not a genocide (if 200k is a holocaust)?This area will become defacto US colony. Colonization hasn't gone away, it has morphed.

richwicks says

The US supported Pol Pot. So of course he did nothing wrong since ghosh forid, the US government can't do any wrong.

The US not only helped to create conditions that brought Cambodia's Khmer Rouge to power in 1975, but actively supported the genocidal force, politically and financially. By January 1980, the US was secretly funding Pol Pot's exiled forces on the Thai border. The extent of this support -- $85 million from 1980-86 -- was revealed 6 years later in correspondence between congressional lawyer Jonathan Winer, then counsel to Sen. John Kerry (D-MA) of the Senate Foreign Relations Committee and the Vietnam Veterans of America Foundation."

Source: https://msuweb.montclair.edu/~furrg/pol/polpotmontclarion0498.html

The US did have "advisors" on the ground in Cambodia, but they supported the government, not the Communists. Part of the domino bullshit. The bigger problem with the US in Cambodia from the air. Dropped a shit ton of bombs on a country we knew nothing about.

NuttBoxer says

Dropped a shit ton of bombs on a country we knew nothing about.

Cha ching

The US supported Prince Sukhonut or whatever his name was.

There may have been a time where the US was cheering Pol Pot on when he attempted some revanchism on newly reunited Communist Vietnam (at one time large slices of South Vietnam were under Cambodian rulers), but the Vietnamese knew the Khmer Rogue were under the CCP's control, and didn't want to have China in the North with a Chinese Client in the West (Cambodia).

The Vietnamese and China fought a war in 1979, and it wasn't a few shells lobbed over the border. In just a few weeks, each side suffered a little less than the total KIA of the US in years in Vietnam. The CCP went to war to "Spank the naughty child" over Vietnamese intervention in Cambodia to slap Pol Pot back down, over the Spratleys, and allegedly to protect "Ethnic minorities" - quite a few tribes defected to China during the Vietnam War era. Oh, and to show the Vietnamese that the USSR couldn't prevent them from taking territory if China wanted to.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sino-Vietnamese_War

Although the consensus is the CCP got a far bigger drubbing than they expected. No surprise there, the Vietnamese had lots of US Equipment and far, far more recent and extensive experience in combat.

gabbar says

Did US support Khmer Rouge? If so, then how is it different from supporting Hitler or any other monster?

Yes, the US supported it because they opposed the Vietcong.

Our government has no morality, but you may have it.

There is no morality in war, ever.

If only people knew, this bloodshed would end. More people know now than they ever did, which is why the Syrian war was subdued, and we don't have troops in Ukraine (officially) now.

The reason enlistment in the military is down, is because even children are learning. Now they have to recruit the mentally ill, lunatics.

I believe in a strong defense, but not for this criminal government. If we can't reform it, it must be destroyed. We cannot build a nation that depends on continual war, and that's what we are doing. It must end. War is nothing more than state sanctioned murder. How can we survive as a nation on that alone? It's been 20 years that we've allowed our criminal government to destroy us, how many more years can we go on?

The Khmer Rouge were supported by CHYna.
The Vietnamese and their puppet government in Cambodia "People's Republic of Kampuchea" were supported by the USSR.

The "Coalition Government of Democratic Kampuchea" a government in exile consisting of the Khmer Rouge (Maoist), the KPNLF (Nonaligned but Liberal), and FUNCINPEC (Royalist/Nationalist) to resist Vietnam's invasion and puppet regime was put together by the great Singapore Perma-President, Lee Kwan Yue, and the US supported both FUNCINPEC and KPNLF and the CGDK, but not the Khmer Rouge, at least not directly.

Is it possible the US gave satellite photos to the Khmer Rouge to ambush Vietnamese troops? Probably. Did the US aid the genocide? No, the Killing Fields were over before the Coalition Government was created in 1982, and the US only materially supported KPNLF and FUNCINPEC.

The Killing Fields ended by 1979 with the invasion by Vietnam of Cambodia, in response to occupation of Vietnamese territory by Khmer Rouge Revanchists (and because Vietnam did not want a filthy Chinese-backed regime for a Western neighbor when they had China on their Northern Border)

Interesting, I read that when Deng Xiaoping told Carter he was going to invade Vietnam, he took Carter's answer for tacit approval. Although now with Biden, Carter is no longer the worst President.

richwicks says

If only people knew, this bloodshed would end.

This is what they are concerned about; awareness. They don't want people to know. Therefore free speech must be controlled. This is why there is thought police, social media police. Plant ideas while they are young when they are in schools. Fill their minds (wokeness, endless wars, trans, homo, muslim, climate change, support the new thing, divide and rule, race cards, inflation, printing money, hollywood, new age practices, yoga, minimum wage, un-healthcare, vaccines, trudeaus, aoc, lindsey grahams, soros .....) and bellies with junk that will weaken and eventually destroy them. Take food away from american family kitchen tables through outsourcing and labor important. Grind them through physical and mental exploitation (paraphrasing Churchill in a public speech)

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The link only states that Kissenger(as American as a central bank) wanted diplomatic relations, and encouraged China to have the same. When I compare that with American troops fighting Khmer Rouge, and American bombers killing Khmer Rouge, I don't see your case for support being strong at all.

Don't tell me you wanted MORE imperialist intervention in SE Asia!?

We are not enemies, but friends. We must not be enemies. Though passion may have strained, it must not break our bonds of affection. The mystic chords of memory will swell when again touched, as surely they will be, by the better angels of our nature. — Abraham Lincoln

NuttBoxer says

Don't tell me you wanted MORE imperialist intervention in SE Asia!?

The only reason the US was in Vietnam is that the US promised Vietnam independence if Vietnam fought on the side of the Allies. After WWII, France didn't want to lose their colony, so they convinced the US to break their promise, and later on France was refusing to join NATO unless the US helped them keep Vietnam a colony.

That's how we got drawn in.

I think if it was so damned important to bring France into NATO, we should have overthrown France. They weren't going to fight anyhow, the reason France lost so quickly to Germany is that most Frenchmen didn't give a damned about which government dominated them, and they all remembered WWI.

richwicks says

If you really care for your pets, you grieve for them eternally. It sucks they live such a short life.

All dogs go to heaven. (The thought is comforting) Their lives are short so we treat them special. We are not there for them as much as they are there for us.

richwicks says

That's how we got drawn in.

Not according to Kissinger or McNamara. It was all about "stopping Communism" falling dominos, .

Funny, we still have people that fall for the commie boogyman today, supporting whatever atrocities the MIC commits.

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gabbar says

All societies discourage and penalize ideas and writings that threaten the ruling status quo. – Saul Alinsky, Rules for Radicals

This is true and that actually is in the book, on page 23:

https://monoskop.org/images/4/4d/Alinsky_Saul_D_Rules_for_Radicals_A_Practical_Primer_for_Realistic_Radicals.pdf

People often attribute quotes to Alinsky that he never said. I'd recommend people read Rules for Radicals, or I can give you an audiobook of it if you like, or you can get it here:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lGI8vHXWaPs

Mine is just an MP3 rip of that file.

I don't have much respect for Alinsky, but he's not entirely a moron. The book is about basically working within the system in order to modify it. I don't think Alinsky would approve of what we have now, and it's really the system working against the public, as it always has been. The system corrupted the people that entered it, they didn't reform it.

Alinsky was also a major hypocrite, so take anything he's EVER said or written with a grain of salt, and consider he may have an ulterior motive in what he promotes.

That is a great story, but I have read it before in 50 year old books.

HeadSet says

That is a great story, but I have read it before in 50 year old books.

I also don't believe it. I would have immediately picked up there was something wrong when the kid said "goodbye" to his parents, and I'm a social retard.

The first thing a doctor does with a kid, at least in my experience, is to assure you nothing will go wrong.

I think you're right.

richwicks says

the system working against the public

THIS. I didn't see this coming. Most people in the world didn't see this coming.

Human beings are vicious creatures - Jordan Peterson
You’re all in a cult. No, you are. - Jordan Peterson

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jnTFpCemVrA

The war is over for me now, but it will always be there, the rest of my days. I think now, looking back, we did not fight the enemy; WE FOUGHT OURSELVES. And the enemy was in us. The war is over for me now, but it will always be there, the rest of my days. As I'm sure Elias will be, fighting with Barnes for what Rhah called possession of my soul. There are times since, I've felt like the child born of those two fathers. But, be that as it may, those of us who did make it have an obligation to build again, to teach to others what we know, and to try with what's left of our lives to find a goodness and a meaning to this life." - Platoon

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p25bS4VXYq8

You can take the man out of the war but you can’t take the war out of the man

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gabbar says

I think he is pefectly entitled to kill the man who raped him.

Patrick says

gabbar says

I think he is pefectly entitled to kill the man who raped him.

This is when justice in Saudi Arabian style is appropriate.

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