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If you want to get dems back, you’ve got to make this forum less about politics. Unfortunately, everything is political now.

You’d think the fact that the Covid vax produced by giant corporations is killing people or that the Ukrainian war is stupid is something we could find common ground with the libs on but I guess not.

I used to at least understand where the libs were coming from. They wanted less guns and war, more weed and gay marriage. We could debate on the merits of different policies. Now it’s all “you’re a fascist” and redefined words to win arguments. It’s sad.

You got one on the hook Patrick!

https://sfbay.craigslist.org/sfc/pol/7556069619.html

Everyone be nice!

I don't see how to reply to him, but he doesn't seem interested in sincere debate either, because he's demanding a conclusion before we even start.

cisTits says

Patrick says

I just ran into an old guy in a cafe who pointed in the newspaper to the governor results in California, which added up to 110%

Where was that? The newspaper thing.

@cisTits I went out and found that paper. Here's a photo:

pudil says

You’d think the fact that the Covid vax produced by giant corporations is killing people or that the Ukrainian war is stupid is something we could find common ground with the libs on but I guess not.

@pudil Right, it's like the left has entirely given up all their principles. From my link in the header ( https://patrick.net/post/1277846/2015-02-09-an-antidote-to-corporate-media ):

https://tobyrogers.substack.com/p/thinking-points-september-21-2022

It’s like Pharma just backed a truck up to the Progressive Values Factory; stole everything; modified core values in order to maim people, make money, and implement global totalitarianism; and the left is just out there smoking a cigarette on the loading dock saying, “Sounds good to me.” What!? What the heck happened to the left? Is there no one remaining in that tribe who is capable of logic and reason!? Quite literally the worst industry in the world stole the left’s most cherished values and no one on the left is the slightest bit offended by this (even though they are offended by everything else)!? We live in the bizarro upside down world.

cisTits says

They are fucking animals.

Right, he immediately excluded sincere and respectful debate, so... next!

cisTits says

BS. Because I only saw another Dem on my ballot. That says his opponent was another Republican.

I just checked my sample ballot from the mail. Says Brian Dahle is a Republican.

Just a suggestion for a friendly debate with a Democrat ...

Send a formal invitation to the newly elected Senator from the Commonwealth of Pennsylvania, the Honorable John Fetterman.

Subject for the debate? Fracking.

I applaud your effort on this. To clarify- do shills and politicians count, or are you looking for actual populace.
Strangely enough I was thinking of posting a pointer to this site for those politically- or free-speech- inclined. And I suggest we page all zogbots as well.

Plenty of shitbags to find on Twatter.
Plenty of shills on Gab and anywhere else with a considerable size.
And that-site-which-shall-not-be-named if you want horde mode.

Why did they use a map of Moscow in 2000 Mules?

Patrick says

cisTits says

BS. Because I only saw another Dem on my ballot. That says his opponent was another Republican.

I just checked my sample ballot from the mail. Says Brian Dahle is a Republican.

That’s correct, he supposedly is. Not sure if RINO or actual conservative though.

EBGuy says

Why did they use a map of Moscow in 2000 Mules?

Please tell us more @EBGuy

Patrick says

I have to try though.

The invitation stands.

I can channel my 35 year old self, but from that vantage point, George W. Bush was still president, and more than 1/2 of the democrats voted against the Iraq war and didn't support it

steverbeaver says

do shills and politicians count, or are you looking for actual populace

Anyone to argue the other side as long as they don't devolve into personal attacks or "You are a (whatever)" attacks.

richwicks says

I can channel my 35 year old self

I try to do the same thing, but it doesn't work because I wasn't really thinking about things then. It was just "self-evident" that all conservatives are "bad".

i can pretend to be a democrat… some gender pronouns, serious mental issues…hate white people… and worship gays and diversity. did i miss anything?

Patrick says

richwicks says

I can channel my 35 year old self

I try to do the same thing, but it doesn't work because I wasn't really thinking about things then. It was just "self-evident" that all conservatives are "bad".

People who supported a war obviously based on lies and defended the bastards that started that war WERE bad.

Obama did the same thing Bush did though and Democrats defended that.

Most people have no principles. That's my conclusion.

FortwayeAsFuckJoeBiden says

i can pretend to be a democrat… some gender pronouns, serious mental issues…hate white people… and worship gays and diversity. did i miss anything?

You missed the vaxx, which prevented Biden, Fauci, Bourla, and Walensky from getting the rona.

Oops, actually it completely failed at that.

But it's perfectly safe, if you don't count the extra few hundred thousand deaths in the US since its introduction...

RayAmerica says

Send a formal invitation to the newly elected Senator from the Commonwealth of Pennsylvania, the Honorable John Fetterman.

Hello friend. Senator Fetterman here. Vaccine Covid safe and effective. No heart issues vaccine you give. Me stroke no vaccine. You take vaccine yes and keep job. Now money you give me election win. Thank you. God bless Amtrack.

https://markcrispinmiller.substack.com/p/and-the-beat-goes-wrong/comment/10386669

Patrick says

Please tell us more @EBGuy

https://www.openstreetmap.org/search?query=moscow%2C+russia#map=14/55.7623/37.6214

In fairness to the Mules doc:
Phillips responded via email that “the movie graphics are not literal interpretations of our data.”
Just be aware of that when watching it.
Also, some of the Mules caught on film are actually family members:
At a pivotal moment in the film, state-captured surveillance video shows a man depositing several ballots into a drop box before getting into a white Ford SUV whose license plate is visible, but blurred by the filmmakers.
“What you are seeing is a crime,” D’Souza says in the film as the video plays. “These are fraudulent votes.”
In fact, investigators say it was not a crime. And those were not fraudulent votes.
Rather, an investigator for the Georgia Board of Elections has determined the man was depositing his own ballots, plus the ballots of his wife and adult children, who are also registered voters. That’s all perfectly legal in Georgia.

I want to see the reply of True The Vote to https://www.gpb.org/news/2022/06/14/evidence-gaps-in-2000-mules

Here is video of the Georgia Secretary of State Board Elections 05.17.22 that investigated three of the video claims of supposed mules dropping off ballots.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IQzrDJhjBiw&t=4740s

clambo says

I don't let them have the pleasure of my words.

Not a knock, but you're enabling their childish behavior by not addressing them. We all have to stop letting it continue. Otherwise it continues. Rationality in lefties doesn't exist. As hard as it may seem, we have to try. Not trying compounds their stupidity. You can change minds with logical arguments/discussion.

Patrick says

FortwayeAsFuckJoeBiden says

i can pretend to be a democrat… some gender pronouns, serious mental issues…hate white people… and worship gays and diversity. did i miss anything?

You missed the vaxx, which prevented Biden, Fauci, Bourla, and Walensky from getting the rona.

Oops, actually it completely failed at that.

But it's perfectly safe, if you don't count the extra few hundred thousand deaths in the US since its introduction...

thats right you cis privileged white male bigot!!! wheres your mask, stop killing grandma homophobe!!!

Patrick says

I would like to have a very polite debate ... on patrick.net.

good luck with that

Democrats can't defend their positions, they have been brainwashed to shut down any debate. And unfortunately so has many Republicans.

I'm always blown away that every time I try to talk pragmatically, realistically and try to consider what our options might be. How they can never get past the headline and just want to harp on histrionics of what's going on. Rather than how it can be stopped, or what we can do about it. My BIL I'm avoiding talking to him, because if I do. he will want to rant about the constitutional duty of Judges, who are doing nothing, and bitch about why Kattie Hobbs didn't recuse herself, and the braindead Democrats that are winning the elections.
They don't want to talk about how the media is trying to convince everyone that the Republican voters just didn't show up. They wouldn't shut up for one minute during their news rebroadcast after the 2020 election, when I was telling them we all have to get involved more in our local political machine and be apart of the GOP party, and your precinct.

There's only a few pragmatic Republican voters you can talk to, the rest are all worked up over what ever Sean Hannity said on his show last night, and what ever Steve Bannon is ear fucking them with hopium about. Not realizing we're in this predicament because they expect them to fix it for them somehow, so they don't have to get involved.

It all boils down to money; liberals think it's okay to take our money and spend it to "help others".
They believe 1. It's morally good 2. It's going to get results 3. It's legal
1 and 2 are wrong; but 3 is taxes and so far there's no escape.
I say it's morally wrong to take my property to give to others who made bad decisions or are lazy, etc.
If there were only sales taxes, tariffs, fees (bridge tolls, car registration, etc.) there would be nothing to talk about with liberals.
Remember, they don't want to convince you that their ideas are correct; they want you to not be angry that they want to pick your pocket.
Deep down they resent you.

Patrick says

I would like to have a very polite debate with some Democrats on patrick.net.

By polite, I mean refraining from attacking the person in either direction, but sticking to points of argument instead. So no "You are a (whatever)" will not be allowed. The only appropriate use of "you" will be "Here you said..."

I just ran into an old guy in a cafe who pointed in the newspaper to the governor results in California, which added up to 110%. I said, "well, that's California" and so he accused me of being an "election denier". I asked if he'd seen "2000 Mules" and he said he hadn't "because it's been debunked". Uh, it's the same people who committed the election fraud who are claiming that "2000 Mules" was debunked.

Nor had he heard what was on Hunter's laptop, since he watches only corporate news.

I think I might have made a dent in his wall of denial, and I'd like to try with others.

I follow several leftist forums, and no I have not met any leftists that even grasp the concept of debate.

EBGuy says

Why did they use a map of Moscow in 2000 Mules?

Because Ruscia has ridiculously rigged elections, with "dropboxes" on park benches and in trunks of LADAs, inmates "voting" in prisons and ... wait for it... "electronic voting" on a fucking website, I kid you not. So using Moscow map in a movie about rigged elections is absolutely justified. =))

Hi Patrick. I'm a long time lurker. Moderate democrat. I'll take you up. What do you want to talk about?

@DeficitHawk

Thanks! Do you think it's possible that the 2020 presidential election had cheating?

I haven't seen much evidence for that. The people directly responsible for managing the elections testify that there wasn't. Claims seem to originate from the guy who would benefit the most. So I don't think smoke necessarily means fire in this case.

Don't you think it's super-sketchy how Trump was way ahead all night, and then there were sudden ballot drops almost all for Biden in key states? I'm talking about the famous graph with the jumps right at the end.

@Patrick, I'd lock this thread so only you and @DeficitHawk would be able to debate. Otherwise it will degenerate into fact-free name calling

clambo says

It all boils down to money; liberals think it's okay to take our money and spend it to "help others".

I think that once money is taxed to "help others" then it becomes a self-perpetuating machine where a lot of people employed by that money have an interest in keeping their employment going, and expanding it. Solving the problem that the money is for would cut off the money, so the problem is never solved.

So for example homelessness in San Francisco is now a billion dollar industry employing massive numbers of people. I read that each homeless person could simply be given something like $70K per year if they just gave each homeless person in SF a share of that money. If homelessness were actually ended in SF, all those jobs would go away. So there is less than zero incentive to actually solve the problem.

Patrick says

Don't you think it's super-sketchy how Trump was way ahead all night, and then there were sudden ballot drops almost all for Biden in key states? I'm talking about the famous graph with the jumps right at the end.

Yes, and in the documentary “2000 Mules” it is clear that thousands of people trafficked tens of thousands of ballots in swing state districts that all went for Biden. Find out who paid the mules and you will know who bought the Biden win. Biden barely campaigned with about as much energy and excitement as a zombie candidate. And the FBI and Facebook/Twitter et al even collaborated to squash the Hunter Biden laptop bombshell right before the election, depriving voters of the truth of just how criminal and perverted that Biden family is.

Bd6r says

Patrick, I'd lock this thread so only you and DeficitHawk would be able to debate. Otherwise it will degenerate into fact-free name calling

I'm a little worried about that, but I plan to quickly mark any personal comments as personal, and I also want others to be able to chime in because I certainly don't know everything.

But then also, maybe this thread will get too cluttered and it will be hard to follow the arguments between myself and DeficitHawk...

I've seen hand drawn sketches of the graph you mean, but I take it as a joke or talking point. In reality there is counting going on in every election in different districts with different dem vs gop percentages. So having the votes evolve with non constant percentage shouldn't surprise anyone. Important thing is to count all the votes. The secretaries of state in the disputed states say they did. (Even gop secretaries). So I tend to dismiss trump's claims as being a bad loser.

DeficitHawk says

I take it as a joke or talking point.

So this graph doesn't look sketchy to you?



Many more here, from various perspectives:

https://search.brave.com/images?q=graph+of+sudden+ballot+dumps+for+biden