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Can anyone find some Democrats willing to debate on patrick.net?


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2022 Nov 10, 3:00pm   81,846 views  699 comments

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I would like to have a very polite debate with some Democrats on patrick.net.

By polite, I mean refraining from attacking the person in either direction, but sticking to points of argument instead. So no "You are a (whatever)" will not be allowed. The only appropriate use of "you" will be "Here you said..."

I just ran into an old guy in a cafe who pointed in the newspaper to the governor results in California, which added up to 110%. I said, "well, that's California" and so he accused me of being an "election denier". I asked if he'd seen "2000 Mules" and he said he hadn't "because it's been debunked". Uh, it's the same people who committed the election fraud who are claiming that "2000 Mules" was debunked.

Nor had he heard what was on Hunter's laptop, since he watches only corporate news.

I think I might have made a dent in his wall of denial, and I'd like to try with others.

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644   PeopleUnited   2022 Nov 30, 10:24pm  

DeficitHawk says

Individual black males are MORE likely to be victims of police shootings than individual white males.

Are individual white males less likely to be involved in/associates/colleagues with criminals or more
likely to be criminals than individual black males?
645   DeficitHawk   2022 Nov 30, 10:25pm  

mell says

Compare pushing against government barricades to blm

I am not making this comparison. I am not defending violent protests from either side. I am not defending vandalism, arson, or any of the other violence or property damage stuff that happened in BLM protests. I am totally opposed to it and think its wrong.

That's my point... You are criticizing violent behavior of one side but defending violent behavior of the other. Thats why you are being hypocritical.

I am NOT doing that.
646   DeficitHawk   2022 Nov 30, 10:29pm  

PeopleUnited says


Are individual white males less likely to be involved in/associates/colleagues with criminals or more
likely to be criminals than individual black males?

I dont know about associates/colleagues, but for violent crimes committed, yes, I linked the FBI crime rates by race above. My overall take is that officer involved shootings are roughly proportional to the rate of police encounters with individuals involved in violent crime.

This does NOT agree with the left's position that cops are racist and prefer to shoot black people.

Its closer to saying cops do NOT have a preference for which race they shoot, but a certain fraction of interactions with individuals involved in violent crime result in an officer involved shooting regardless of race.
647   mell   2022 Nov 30, 10:35pm  

DeficitHawk says

mell says


Compare pushing against government barricades to blm

I am not making this comparison. I am not defending violent protests from either side. I am not defending vandalism, arson, or any of the other violence or property damage stuff that happened in BLM protests. I am totally opposed to it and think its wrong.

That's my point... You are criticizing violent behavior of one side but defending violent behavior of the other. Thats why you are being hypocritical.

I am NOT doing that.

I am not defending trespassing, but nothing more happened. No justification to murder somebody who poses no threat to police. Even Floyd, who posed a threat to police and everyone else, was treated better. If Chauvin had shot Floyd point blank at the stop like the goon did to Babbit, then he would have deserved a trial and prison time. How about arresting her?
648   richwicks   2022 Nov 30, 10:42pm  

DeficitHawk says


You can look for pictures of BLM protests that are peaceful, and you can look for ones that are violent, and you will find both.


I saw BLM protests in both San Jose and Oakland, NEITHER were peaceful.

Show me one that was. Name it. I will look it up, and I won't restrict myself to Google, Facebook, or Twitter, which would just delete it.

DeficitHawk says


I think you are trying to use cherry picking to support a mantra of "only the left is violent"


Show us an example of when the right has been violent. Name some place where they started fires and looted stores - name the protest.

Media simply ignores the riots for the most part. I've seen it first hand, and they ignore BLM and Antifa violence, because, the government fully supports Antifa and BLM.

More than 40 people were MURDERED in BLM and Antifa protests - name one person that was prosecuted.
649   DeficitHawk   2022 Nov 30, 10:43pm  

mell says


I am not defending trespassing, but nothing more happened


IF you insist on wearing patnet conformity blinders, i can not help you. I showed you the pictures. I linked the report of 114 injured officers. If you do not think there was any violence, I just dont think you are being honest with yourself.

Do you think they were giving this guy a back massage? Is that why he is lying on the ground?

650   PeopleUnited   2022 Nov 30, 10:44pm  

DeficitHawk says


PeopleUnited says


Are individual white males less likely to be involved in/associates/colleagues with criminals or more
likely to be criminals than individual black males?

I dont know about associates/colleagues, but for violent crimes committed, yes, I linked the FBI crime rates by race above. My overall take is that officer involved shootings are roughly proportional to the rate of police encounters with individuals involved in violent crime.

This does NOT agree with the left's position that cops are racist and prefer to shoot black people.

Its closer to saying cops do NOT have a preference for which race they shoot, but a certain fraction of interactions with individuals involved in violent crime result in an officer involved shooting regardless of race.



Well said, however I think any type of crime increases an individuals risk of exposure to increased interaction with police. And police are more likely to shoot you when you are interacting with them, and if they believe you are a criminal (including non violent crimes like driving while high etc....) so the moral of the story is do less crime, get shot less often by police. Also, running from police, trying to avoid or resist arrest, those also increase your risk of being shot by police. So don’t do that either. And avoid drugs in general, police view drug users and sellers as criminals, and potentially dangerous.
651   richwicks   2022 Nov 30, 10:48pm  

DeficitHawk says


mell says


staged

Staged? You think the images/videos were staged? they were broadcast live... how could it be staged?



Here's how:


original link

That's Ray Epps.

HE hasn't been arrested, because he's part of the FIB - he's an agent provocateur. HIS job was to incite violence and lawlessness. His job was to entrap people. He's an unconvicted felon.
652   DeficitHawk   2022 Nov 30, 10:57pm  

PeopleUnited says


And police are more likely to shoot you when you are interacting with them, and if they believe you are a criminal (including non violent crimes like driving while high etc....)

Yeah. I have no data on how often shootings happen durring arrests for violent crime vs. non violent crimes.

I do make an ASSUMPTION that officers feel more threat to themselves if they think they are dealing with a violent person, and are more likely to draw their weapon and defend themselves if they feel threatened. That assumption is purely based on how I think I would feel, not data.

There are also a lot of officer involved shootings that start out with a mental health crisis where the officer is there because the person is acting out and then the situation escalates. Not all officer involved shootings involve a rational criminal resisting arrest.
653   PeopleUnited   2022 Nov 30, 11:03pm  

DeficitHawk says


mell says


Compare pushing against government barricades to blm

I am not making this comparison. I am not defending violent protests from either side. I am not defending vandalism, arson, or any of the other violence or property damage stuff that happened in BLM protests. I am totally opposed to it and think its wrong.

That's my point... You are criticizing violent behavior of one side but defending violent behavior of the other. Thats why you are being hypocritical.

I am NOT doing that.



Here’s the thing. Left wing politicians in general, as well as mainstream media, by and large give a HUGE pass if not straight up praise for the anti police riots that caused millions of dollars in damage, closed businesses, loss of life and other injuries. The left in general is OK with that. But a small number of unarmed people fought with police on January 6th and it is called an insurrectio by the leftists in media and government. It is not equal application of the law or logic. Many of the people who were violent in those two different types of protests believed their violence was justified. But the media/leftists seem to believe that only the anti police rioters were justified. So the people who are sympathetic to the stop the steal movement view that as hypocrisy. Not you personally, but leftists in general seem hypocritical, especially people like Maxine Waters who continued to urge violence with her rhetoric. Trump for his part was much more subdued in rallying his supporters to stop the steal.

Also there are many J6ers who are still in jail who were Not violent. What is their crime?
654   PeopleUnited   2022 Nov 30, 11:06pm  

DeficitHawk says

PeopleUnited says



And police are more likely to shoot you when you are interacting with them, and if they believe you are a criminal (including non violent crimes like driving while high etc....)

Yeah. I have no data on how often shootings happen durring arrests for violent crime vs. non violent crimes.

I do make an ASSUMPTION that officers feel more threat to themselves if they think they are dealing with a violent person, and are more likely to draw their weapon and defend themselves if they feel threatened. That assumption is purely based on how I think I would feel, not data.

There are also a lot of officer involved shootings that start out with a mental health crisis where the officer is there because the person is acting out and then the situation escalates. Not all officer involved shootings involve a rational criminal resisting arrest.


Well said, I would just add drug use/intoxication to the list of things that increase the risk of violence on you from a police officer.
655   DeficitHawk   2022 Nov 30, 11:17pm  

PeopleUnited says


I would just add drug use/intoxication t

Agree.

PeopleUnited says


Many of the people who were violent in those two different types of protests believed their violence was justified. But the media/leftists seem to believe that only the anti police rioters were justified.

Yes I see this too. Although I called out patrick above for cherry picking the images he posted, the captions in those images show what you are saying. Left side media DOES give a pass to violence and bad actions by the left. Right side media does the same for the right.

PeopleUnited says


it is called an insurrectio by the leftists

The reason it is called an insurrection is not because of the scale of the protest, or the number of injuries etc... its because of the objective. The objective of many of the people who were there (and in my opinion the objective of Trump) was to halt and undermine the election process and enable Trump to be declared president. That IS insurrection. It is literally violent overthrow of the duly elected government.

"Hang Mike Pence" is sort of the main givaway. The reason people were chanting that is because they wanted to prevent him from allowing the election results to be certified. If they had gotten their hands on him, they might have actually done it.
656   richwicks   2022 Nov 30, 11:26pm  


DeficitHawk says



PeopleUnited says


Many of the people who were violent in those two different types of protests believed their violence was justified. But the media/leftists seem to believe that only the anti police rioters were justified.

Yes I see this too. Although I called out patrick above for cherry picking the images he posted, the captions in those images show what you are saying. Left side media DOES give a pass to violence and bad actions by the left. Right side media does the same for the right.


Show us, any time, where "the right" burned down city blocks, or looted stores. The "left" even burned down a police station in Minneapolis:

https://nypost.com/2021/05/30/its-been-a-year-of-antifa-and-unchecked-anarchy-devine/

3rd precinct.

Let's see who is cherry picking? I believe it's you, @DeficitHawk
657   PeopleUnited   2022 Dec 1, 12:21am  

DeficitHawk says


The objective of many of the people who were there (and in my opinion the objective of Trump)


That is your opinion, however that does not make it a fact. My opinion is that the people who showed up for the rally that day were there to show their support for the person they voted for, and to ask Congress to “see them” (if you catch the meaning like in Avatar) and address their concerns for election irregularities because they believe that there was an attempt to fake (ultimately successful due to lack of enforcement in key swing districts and states) who the duly elected president really is. In other words from a J6er perspective when the legitimate votes are counted (and illegitimate votes are not) the winner was the incumbent who received more votes than any incumbent president in American history. Add to that the fact that there was unprecedented negative media coverage of Trump for the 4 previous years, Biden “campaigned” from his basement
Iike he knew the fix was in from the beginning, and the FBI even colluded with media, including social media to spread misinformation and suppress the Hunter Biden laptop bombshell right before the election, thereby depriving voters of vital information about the Biden crime family. So to a J6er the government failed to follow the law and the media failed to report the facts, showing unprecedented bias against a clearly very popular president by the number of votes cast for him.

And again I ask, why are the nonviolent J6ers still in jail? What is their crime?
658   Patrick   2022 Dec 1, 3:03am  

@DeficitHawk I think you've thoroughly discredited yourself as an argument partner by:

- claiming that being fired for refusing the death jab is not being forced to take it
- claiming that Trump was going to install himself as "emperor" with less than zero evidence, while Trump was telling people to be peaceful (see his Tweet)
- claiming that hundreds of violent BLM riots are somehow unimportant
- buying into the see-through lie that unarmed people being led into the Capitol by Ray Epps is somehow the crime of the century

Probably other stuff too, but you really ought to be embarrassed by directly contradicting reality over and over. Others can argue with you, but if you refuse to admit 2 + 2 = 4, there's not much point.
659   Onvacation   2022 Dec 1, 5:50am  

DeficitHawk says


Individual black males are MORE likely to be victims of police shootings than individual white males.

Do the crime...
660   Onvacation   2022 Dec 1, 6:03am  

Patrick says


Others can argue with you, but if you refuse to admit 2 + 2 = 4, there's not much point.

there's not much point.

But It's fun.

Do you suppose he is willfully ignorant, propagandized, or straight up lying?
661   DeficitHawk   2022 Dec 1, 6:59am  

Patrick says


I think you've thoroughly discredited yourself as an argument partner by:

OK, I'll respond.
Patrick says


claiming that being fired for refusing the death jab is not being forced to take it

To be clear, I've said I dont support mandates, and I dont think storm troopers were forcing people to get them against their will, separate from as a condition of entry to certain places. I Do think it is within the discretion of school officials and employers to set conditions of entry. Though most schools and employers I encountered all had some sort of opt out. I Do think that if a shool sets a vax requirement and you are anti vax, you will have to burdent the inconvenience of home school or finding another school/job, etc.

Patrick says


claiming that Trump was going to install himself as "emperor" with less than zero evidence, while Trump was telling people to be peaceful (see his Tweet)

Patrick says


buying into the see-through lie that unarmed people being led into the Capitol by Ray Epps is somehow the crime of the century

These two are the same topic... Yes, I think Trump wanted to be president again even though he was not elected. He used legal challenges unsuccessfully, and promoted lies and conspiracy theories to advance this cause. I do not have any evidence what he was thinking during the riot, but I believe part of him hoped for a successful intervention which would make him president again, which is why he was slow to act to get people to stop.

Patrick says


claiming that hundreds of violent BLM riots are somehow unimportant

I did not say this. and I dont think it. Actually I think the BLM riots were very disruptive and destructive. Beyond the damage, they also lead to bad policy decisions on police force funding and have (in my town) impaired police recruiting which is a problem. What I HAVE said is that it is hypocritical to criticize only violent behavior on the left, and characterize the Jan 6 riot as chummy friendly folks shaking hands with the police.
Patrick says


Others can argue with you,

Well, I guess this is the end of the road for our discussion then. I will remind you that it was YOU who posted the classified add for someone who would come here and debate with you. I have done it in good faith. I cant help it if you dont want to hear what I say.

Im sad for what this site has become, nothing more than an echo chamber for like minded people who wont even discuss with people who have different opinions.
662   WookieMan   2022 Dec 1, 7:13am  

DeficitHawk says

Im sad for what this site has become, nothing more than an echo chamber for like minded people who wont even discuss with people who have different opinions.

This is where you're not paying attention dude. Everyone here has gotten after each other in some way, shape or form at some point. This place is far from an echo chamber. This isn't some right wing echo chamber you're making it out to be. Plenty of us here have bashed Trump. I'm still pissed about how he handled Covid. He is the guy that rushed the vaccine. Didn't fire Fauci who has a track record of fuck ups.

There is no nuance with the left. They hear one thing they don't agree with and everything else said by that person is wrong or bad. There are plenty of discussions occurring on Patnet where there's major disagreement. Ukraine v Russia. Covid. Hell I get in disagreements with BACAH over travel. Abortion. Tons of topics. This is one of the more civil forums I've been a part of. And it's definitely not an echo chamber.
663   Onvacation   2022 Dec 1, 8:09am  

Dan was more fun and less disingenuous.
664   WookieMan   2022 Dec 1, 8:53am  

Onvacation says

Dan was more fun and less disingenuous.

Dan was a writer, but like Iwog got too much into the semantics of arguing. Strawman this or that. Stop arguing about the argument or discussion. Make your point. When you start arguing about the discussion, the discussion is over. You've lost.
665   richwicks   2022 Dec 1, 12:12pm  

DeficitHawk says

To be clear, I've said I dont support mandates, and I dont think storm troopers were forcing people to get them against their will, separate from as a condition of entry to certain places.

Like being able to go to work..

But nobody was forced...
666   FortwayeAsFuckJoeBiden   2022 Dec 1, 12:58pm  

DeficitHawk says

She was trying to climb through a barricaded door onto the other side which was defended by armed officers, through a window broken by the crowds, I've seen that video. sad she died, but what the hell was she thinking? What the hell were any of them thinking?


ask this, how many left wing protesters were met by armed guards and shot at during Kavana scotus trial? they too took over quite a few times, nothing happened there to them.

our government treats people very different based on their political views.
667   richwicks   2022 Dec 1, 1:11pm  

FortwayeAsFuckJoeBiden says

DeficitHawk says


She was trying to climb through a barricaded door onto the other side which was defended by armed officers, through a window broken by the crowds, I've seen that video. sad she died, but what the hell was she thinking? What the hell were any of them thinking?


ask this, how many left wing protesters were met by armed guards and shot at during Kavana scotus trial? they too took over quite a few times, nothing happened there to them.

our government treats people very different based on their political views.

Libshits are oblivious to their own hypocrisy, when it favors them. Good luck trying to get an answer.
668   richwicks   2022 Dec 1, 1:12pm  

cisTits says


Why so you all bother with this guy? He's been caught red handed dishing out total bullshit and then caught lying to cover it up.

Helps you think though doesn't it?

If you cannot be consistent in your thinking, you must be wrong in someway. If they cannot be consistent in their thinking, but continue, they are wrong, and refuse to admit it.
669   stereotomy   2022 Dec 1, 1:21pm  

Patrick says


DeficitHawk I think you've thoroughly discredited yourself as an argument partner by:

- claiming that being fired for refusing the death jab is not being forced to take it
- claiming that Trump was going to install himself as "emperor" with less than zero evidence, while Trump was telling people to be peaceful (see his Tweet)
- claiming that hundreds of violent BLM riots are somehow unimportant
- buying into the see-through lie that unarmed people being led into the Capitol by Ray Epps is somehow the crime of the century

Probably other stuff too, but you really ought to be embarrassed by directly contradicting reality over and over. Others can argue with you, but if you refuse to admit 2 + 2 = 4, there's not much point.

I have to agree on this. Props to @richwicks for providing actual legal documentary evidence that DH dismissed out of hand because "there was no final decision." This is appeal to authority at its most pathetic. DH failed (or more likely ignored and then tried to gaslight against) the raw evidence that any sane person would be led to conclude that it was a woke judge and jury that railroaded Chauvin.

DH is probably a psychologist who is using his interactions with PatNet as a case study in "White Nationalism/Racism," or some such drivel. What other sort of person would continually try to draw out other people, to get them to do his work for him? His "patience" is actually a passive-aggressive front to encourage increasingly vitriolic responses. I think he has been disappointed that we couldn't be bated into a rabid frenzy. Thanks @patrick for cultivating this little garden of anti-wokeness and letting good and reasonable people be who they are.

EDIT: I speculate that the deep state is contracting psychologists to get a bead on the simmering outrage amongst the "deplorables" to contribute to a possible threat assessment as to the extent of the righteous backlash that will occur once people wake up and the shit really hits the fan.
670   richwicks   2022 Dec 1, 1:32pm  

stereotomy says

EDIT: I speculate that the deep state is contracting psychologists to get a bead on the simmering outrage amongst the "deplorables" to contribute to a possible threat assessment as to the extent of the righteous backlash that will occur once people wake up and the shit really hits the fan.


You want to hear something ironic about applying this sort of "evolutionary" pressure?

It just purifies a group and corrupts the group doing it. I don't want white racists on my side, or any racist, for example. We'll win in time.
671   richwicks   2022 Dec 1, 1:48pm  

cisTits says


richwicks says


If you cannot be consistent in your thinking, you must be wrong in someway. If they cannot be consistent in their thinking, but continue, they are wrong, and refuse to admit it.


But I already knew about that. I live in Cali and have ro listen to that ALL the time. No 'debate on PatNet with a Libtard' needed.


Liberals are one thing, they aren't "libtards" - they are just naive people that are trying to do the right thing who trust people who use them. They're not bad people.

But there's libshits - those are assholes that have no actual principles. They are cattle, kind of like Neocons are. DeficitHawk, I believe, is a libshit.

Both parties have PLENTY of naive people in them. The 800 people in jail for "insurrection" were naive. They thought the government worked for them, and 20 years ago, most of them would have called me a "traitor" for pointing out that the intelligence agencies are corrupt through the core. They're learning a hard lesson now.
672   mell   2022 Dec 1, 1:49pm  

DeficitHawk says

IF you insist on wearing patnet conformity blinders, i can not help you. I showed you the pictures. I linked the report of 114 injured officers. If you do not think there was any violence, I just dont think you are being honest with yourself.

Do you think they were giving this guy a back massage? Is that why he is lying on the ground?

Lol give up already, there was no violence. Yeah looks like a back massage, or being pushed down when people push against barricades. Happens at most concerts. This is routine daily police work. Now being shot like the security guard in Oakland during the blm riots, now that is violence, murder actually. Like the killing of Ashli Babbit by that goon
673   richwicks   2022 Dec 1, 1:53pm  

cisTits says


Dude definely suffers from cognitive dissonance problems that I believe is what forces him to avoid seeing reality when it is shown directly to him.

EVERYBODY suffers from some level of cognitive dissonance.

I had a GREAT mentor as a junior engineer who told me "eliminate your cognitive dissonance" - that really worked well for my job, so I carried that on outside of my job. When I have two conflicting beliefs, I just go straight to the Internet and eliminate one of them. If BOTH beliefs are wrong, eventually I'll experience cognitive dissonance again after learning more, and eliminate that belief.

Do this over and over and over again, without being embarrassed you were wrong before, and eventually, you won't experience it very often.

For example, I thought Bible Beaters were wrong about forcing homosexuals underground and that it should be at least accepted under law AND that they were nuts that acceptance would lead to LGBT bullshit in elementary schools in 1995.

I was right that it shouldn't be forced to be underground, but I was also wrong that a minority of them wouldn't start promoting it in elementary schools. I was wrong about both things. I accept that - AND I don't think the Bible Beaters were right - it's not homosexuality itself that causes this or lack of religious values, it's just there's sociopaths in our society who happen to be homosexual.
674   PeopleUnited   2022 Dec 1, 2:25pm  

Practicing homosexuality is similar to practicing bestiality. Using your body in ways it was not designed to be used. Additionally, it is so repulsive to the creator that He destroyed cities over it, and of course the STD’s that come with promiscuous sex, especially homosexual sex are rewards for those who live like that. The movie bohemian rhapsody chronicles some of the wreckage of living like that.

God loves sinners, but he hates their sin.
675   richwicks   2022 Dec 1, 2:33pm  

PeopleUnited says


Practicing homosexuality is similar to practicing bestiality. Using your body in ways it was not designed to be used. Additionally, it is so repulsive to the creator that He destroyed cities over it, and of course the STD’s that come with promiscuous sex, especially homosexual sex are rewards for those who live like that. The movie bohemian rhapsody chronicles some of the wreckage of living like that.

God loves sinners, but he hates their sin.


I don't share your religion.

However, I don't wish to argue with you, NOR change your opinion. I look at this from an entirely mechanical point of view. J. Edgar Hoover was a homosexual, and because he was a fag, he was extensively blackmailed. That's part of the reason this country is so fucked up today, is that man, was controlled, by criminal syndicates, to hide the fact he was gay.

But now that it's acceptable, it's PEDOPHILES that are promoted to positions of power, like Joe Biden.

I view homosexuality as irrelevant to me. I don't care, or that's how I viewed it at one point. Irrelevant. The prohibition of it was purely religious, but maybe we should revisit it as also possibly psychologically damaging to the individual, but can it be changed?

I don't have enough information to make a judgement on it, and probably I never will.

Homosexuality is different than pedophilia though - they are FUNDAMENTALLY different. One has a victim for certain, and I think pedophiles, just kill them if they EVER act on their impulses. Harming a child, possibly condemning them to commit the same crime they experienced? It's not forgivable.
676   PeopleUnited   2022 Dec 1, 2:42pm  

The homosexual is both a victim and a perp. Same as a drug addict.
677   richwicks   2022 Dec 1, 2:44pm  

PeopleUnited says

The homosexual is both a victim and a perp. Same as a drug addict.


Not always, I know that second hand.

I'm not homosexual, but I know a few. I've discussed this with them pretty intimately.

@Patrick is wrong - not ALL homosexuals are just victims, some are just homosexual.
678   EBGuy   2022 Dec 1, 2:54pm  

I do think some of you folks are losing touch with reality. There is a reason Four officers who responded to U.S. Capitol attack have died by suicide.
679   richwicks   2022 Dec 1, 3:00pm  

EBGuy says


I do think some of you folks are losing touch with reality. There is a reason Four officers who responded to U.S. Capitol attack have died by suicide.


Losing touch with reality how?

Why did the officers "die by suicide"? Did they kill themselves out of guilt? Were they murdered? I don't know what you think.

I think that if there was an actual insurrection on January 6th, we'd have another government. There were like a million people there, and if they wanted to take over the capital, they could have, and murdered every one of those useless mother fuckers that call themselves "representatives".
680   WookieMan   2022 Dec 1, 3:07pm  

EBGuy says

I do think some of you folks are losing touch with reality. There is a reason Four officers who responded to U.S. Capitol attack have died by suicide.

Sorry for their loss. Fact is suicide is not one event. These were likely troubled people from the word go as someone that's dealt with 2 suicides. Jan 6th likely had nothing to do with their decision to kill themselves. Attributing it to that event is laughable. Tread lightly with suicide talk. 1/6 had nothing to do with any suicides.
681   stereotomy   2022 Dec 1, 3:13pm  

^^^^^^ This (Edit: at #710)

Why do you think "they" called in 20K troops and miles of barbed wire for the inauguration? "They" realized that they came this close to what @richwicks described, but the protesters were too civil to commit mass murder of the entire political establishment.

"They" won't make that same mistake again. Tens of thousands of the millions who storm the barricades will die this time.

They got the guns, but
We got the numbers
Gonna win, yeah we're
Taking over . . .
COME ON!
682   richwicks   2022 Dec 1, 3:23pm  

stereotomy says


Why do you think "they" called in 20K troops and miles of barbed wire for the inauguration? "They" realized that they came this close to what richwicks described, but the protesters were too civil to commit mass murder of the entire political establishment.


I think it was merely optics to make it appear an insurrection was attempted.

I don't think they were genuinely afraid of a real insurrection.

People in the know, realize that we get two fucking puppets to pick from and both of those puppets are controlled. We've not been in a democratic republic since AT LEAST Reagan, and probably Kennedy - even though Kennedy probably wasn't elected. It may go back to Lincoln. That guy was a piece of shit himself, he was no liberator, he was a tyrant, and in fact, when he was killed by James Booth, he shouted "death to tyrants", and that's precisely what he was.
683   Patrick   2022 Dec 1, 5:08pm  

https://jembendell.com/2022/11/21/its-not-too-late-to-stop-being-a-tool-of-oppression/


This matters today as we still have health challenges to work together on. It also matters as the authoritarians are still working with corporates to impose restrictions on humanity based on false medical rationales (as an exhibit, see the communiques coming out of the G20 summit). If you went along with the orthodoxy, or didn’t seek to intervene in any way, then some introspection will help you avoid being dangerous to others in future. Yes, I say dangerous, because authoritarianism requires people to support its policies by being scared into becoming misinformed moral ‘police’ of their friends, family, neighbours and colleagues, or just scared into ‘sitting on the fence’.

One way to start doing something about it is through meaningful apologies that can then begin a dialogue about how to engage better in future. Here are some suggestions:

If you were aggressive to someone about Covid, you have an opportunity to apologise for being both aggressive and scientifically wrong.
If you pressured someone who was not vulnerable to be vaccinated, you have an opportunity to apologise for being scientifically wrong.
If you argued with someone on the finer points of science but didn’t listen to the science that already cast doubt on your view, you have an opportunity to apologise for being scientifically wrong.
If you had influence in relation to the conversations in your organisation or networks but did nothing about the hostility directed against people for their views on Covid, you have an opportunity to apologise for, in this instance, being rubbish in an emergency.
If you have shifted your view on the relevant science and the appropriate policies, but feel annoyed at people like me for bringing attention to this, you have an opportunity to see beyond your bruised ego for the sake of humanity and actually apologise for something to someone.


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