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Cholesterol (big pharma junk science?)


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2022 Nov 19, 7:23am   1,901 views  28 comments

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Having combed through many studies I cannot find any study that links either high hdl, ldl, or total Cholesterol to a higher risk of heart disease, in fact the studies show a trends towards the opposite. I think statins are dangerous but could not convince members of family or friends to take a 2nd look at them. While this potential myth has been more and more questioned and discussed even in the lamestream media, MDs still operate like it's 30 years ago and have no clue about latest research or don't want to ($$). Also a recent study showed garlic supplements to slightly increase ldl, which is interesting. Any opinions?

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1   just_passing_through   2022 Nov 19, 8:46am  

Agree. If you don't eat cholesterol your liver will simply make about 18 eggs worth of it per day. You need it. "Light fluffy" ldl is used for transport and when oxidized turns into the crunched up form, which is shuttled back to the liver and regenerated.

If I understand correctly statins block the light fluffy form.

It's rare but there are some people with a genetic mutation who do have super high dangerous levels of cholesterol but most people do not.

Pastured organic chicken eggs are one of the healthiest things you can eat. I've read that there is no other food that is converted to body tissue so efficiently. They have everything you need except Calcium - which the birds absorb from the shell as they grow.
2   AmericanKulak   2022 Nov 19, 8:48am  

i remember the 80s when they were like "OMG, avoid Eggs! No Bacon. Eat Oatmeal, then Spaghetti, then a big bowl of veggies with Macaroni" Pritikin Death Diet.
3   just_passing_through   2022 Nov 19, 8:50am  

I eat bacon and eggs every day and use the bacon grease to cook the eggs. Pass my biometric physicals / checkups at the doc every year with flying colors.

I limit carbs and avoid seed and soy oils. And obviously Crisco, margarine and crap like that.
4   stereotomy   2022 Nov 19, 10:11am  

just_passing_through says

Agree. If you don't eat cholesterol your liver will simply make about 18 eggs worth of it per day. You need it. "Light fluffy" ldl is used for transport and when oxidized turns into the crunched up form, which is shuttled back to the liver and regenerated.

If I understand correctly statins block the light fluffy form.

It's rare but there are some people with a genetic mutation who do have super high dangerous levels of cholesterol but most people do not.

Pastured organic chicken eggs are one of the healthiest things you can eat. I've read that there is no other food that is converted to body tissue so efficiently. They have everything you need except Calcium - which the birds absorb from the shell as they grow.

Egg yolks have the highest concentration of choline, which is a protein that facilitates fat metabolism. The second highest concentration of choline is found in liver.

Choline helps your body absorb fats, including cholesterol. If your body is having trouble absorbing fats, they just hang around in the bloodstream like a ticking time bomb. The trigger is inflammation/infection, which causes the cholesterol to harden along the arterial walls.
5   Eman   2022 Nov 19, 10:59am  

stereotomy says

just_passing_through says


Agree. If you don't eat cholesterol your liver will simply make about 18 eggs worth of it per day. You need it. "Light fluffy" ldl is used for transport and when oxidized turns into the crunched up form, which is shuttled back to the liver and regenerated.

If I understand correctly statins block the light fluffy form.

It's rare but there are some people with a genetic mutation who do have super high dangerous levels of cholesterol but most people do not.

Pastured organic chicken eggs are one of the healthiest things you can eat. I've read that there is no other food that is converted to body tissue so efficiently. They have everything you need except Calcium - which the birds absorb from the shell as they grow.

Egg yolks have the highest concentration of choline, which is a protein that facilitates fat metabolism. The second highest...

Are you suggesting eating more eggs is good for us?
6   Eman   2022 Nov 19, 11:04am  

I don’t have an in-depth understanding of these stuff. My doctor said once people are on medications like high blood pressure or cholesterol, they’re on it for life. My goal is not to be on it for as long as possible. I don’t want to be a client of the pharma companies.

All I know is that I can run 10k everyday or more without an issue. I’m pushing 50, and I’m not on any medications. I’m happy with my body and physic. Just try to live a healthy life. When I die, I die. No regrets.
7   stereotomy   2022 Nov 19, 11:08am  

Eman says

stereotomy says


just_passing_through says



Agree. If you don't eat cholesterol your liver will simply make about 18 eggs worth of it per day. You need it. "Light fluffy" ldl is used for transport and when oxidized turns into the crunched up form, which is shuttled back to the liver and regenerated.

If I understand correctly statins block the light fluffy form.

It's rare but there are some people with a genetic mutation who do have super high dangerous levels of cholesterol but most people do not.

Pastured organic chicken eggs are one of the healthiest things you can eat. I've read that there is no other food that is converted to body tissue so efficiently. They have everything you need except Calcium - which the birds absorb from the shell as they grow.

Egg yolks have the highest co...

Yes indeed. If you can afford it, pasture-raised eggs are the best, because they have much less omega-6 fatty acids (which promote inflammation and are a mild estrogen mimic). Eggs are wonderful. The NIH/FDA/CDC already admitted a few years ago that dietary cholesterol intake has no significant correlation with serum (blood) cholesterol levels.

Until recently, eggs were the cheapest source of high-quality protein. Now that they're 200% more expensive, I'd split the difference between 100% grass-fed ground beef and high omega-3 eggs.
8   stereotomy   2022 Nov 19, 11:21am  

Saturated fat is not the enemy. The enemies are seed oils (almost 100% omega-6), with the exception of olive and coconut oils. Soybean oil, which is in practically everything today, is especially bad. Why do you think that east Asians are so small compared to Asians raised in the US? They eat far more soy (which makes both men and women smaller and weaker). To compensate, they eat a lot more fish (very high in saturated and omega-3 fats). Between the two, they largely cancel out the inflammatory effects of soy. We don't do that here.

The crap they were telling us about the benefits of polyunsaturated fatty acids (PUFAs) is total garbage. Butter is better than margarine by far, especially 100% grass-fed butter. Pasture-raised (not industrial caged) pigs, and the pure leaf lard (taken from the fat caps above the kidneys) is also awesome.

The key to cardiovascular health is to minimize and eliminate inflammation. Just like a scab that is picked at constantly will scar instead of heal, your circulatory system will scar and clog up if you feed yourselves foods that promote chronic circulatory system inflammation.
9   Patrick   2022 Nov 19, 11:31am  

Eman says

My doctor said once people are on medications like high blood pressure or cholesterol, they’re on it for life.


I also saw a quote somewhere about that. You apparently get addicted to them in a way, so you can't just stop taking your high blood pressure meds or you might be worse off than before you started taking them. Makes you a great permanent customer for the drug companies.

I've also read they can cause impotence, so that's quite a negative.

Lately I've been having hot cocoa in the morning because it's supposed to reduce blood pressure, and I really like it anyway. No sugar, just cocoa in half milk and half water.
10   Rin   2022 Nov 19, 11:35am  

It's actually very simple, avoid drinking Coca-Cola & for the most part, you'll do fine.

Basically, one can reduce insulin insensitivity, chronic inflammation, etc, etc, by supplementing with R-Lipoic Acid, Quercetin Phytosome, Vitamin D, trace mineral combo of (Magnesium, Copper, Boron, & Zinc) and adding fruits like apples, pomegranates along with cruciferous veggies like broccoli, cauliflower.

The eggs, chicken, beef, etc, will take care of themselves with the above in one's diet.
11   Rin   2022 Nov 19, 11:37am  

Rin says

avoid drinking Coca-Cola


This also implies other refined sugars, however, Coca-Cola has phosphoric acid which depletes one's body of trace minerals & that's worse than a mere sugar high.

And if you're a boozer, please supplement with N-Acetyl-Cysteine. Your liver will thank you.
12   Robert Sproul   2022 Nov 19, 12:13pm  

I have read that men at the time of death will often have very low cholesterol.
It is also linked to depression: "Cholesterol levels and mood disorders may be connected by a link between low cholesterol concentrations and low levels of the brain chemical serotonin. Low levels are associated with depression, anger, sleep loss and other mood disorders."
Drive down cholesterol with statins and then prescribe an SSRI.
Statins are a Pharma scam, most of my contemporaries are on them, along with blood pressure meds, having been taken in by Pharma's Physician Field Operative Network.
13   Karloff   2022 Nov 19, 12:21pm  

We're living in times where the enemy within controls the public's view on what is news, science, medicine, and what is acceptable or unacceptable.

Just do the opposite of almost everything they tell you.

https://market-ticker.org/akcs-www?singlepost=3300953
14   Ceffer   2022 Nov 19, 12:21pm  

Nutritional Standards are part of the big steal. Statins are 'gateway' drugs that induce an array of symptoms that require more medication from Pharma.

It's the same fake magic as Covid PCR test, walk away poison vaccines and fake Covid. Make an assertion that a test result is associated with a pathology that people fear, then give a dangerous, metabolism altering drug that changes that specific test result to demonstrate efficacy. Yes, it may be 'effective' on the 'test result', while wreaking havocs with the body otherwise and having no significant influence on the feared pathology. Medicines are supposed to benefit PEOPLE NOT TEST RESULTS.

Since government recommendations on nutrition are arbitrary and designated by lobbies for economics, and peer reviewed medicine has been exposed as a series of bribes and fixes to support Rockefeller Pharma, everything must be questioned.
15   NuttBoxer   2022 Nov 19, 4:54pm  

My wife recently tested high for cholesterol. Not very high, just a little high. Doctor recommended statins, but she never took them. Did some light research from naturopathic sites, and best recommendation I could find for statins was if you are at high risk for heart attack. Cholesterol is produced by the liver. Increased cholesterol points to inflammation. Cholesterol is not the issue, it's a warning. Reduce your inflammation. Unless it's avocado, virgin olive, or coconut oil, best bet is to avoid it. That means cutting out almost everything fried. And don't buy olive oil from Italy, more likely to be canola.

Statins mess with your liver. unless you are at very high risk for heart disease, DO NOT TAKE.
16   mell   2022 Nov 19, 9:35pm  

We don't even know if Cholesterol is bad at all, esp. since oxidized cholesterol seems the only damaging one, which is founds in eggs, dairy, meat, fish, some of the heathiest and most wholesome type of foods, but is also countered/balanced by antioxidants in the diet, and it's unknown what effect, if at all, oxycholesterol in the diet has, vs produced by the body. Cholesterol is necessary for Vitamin D synthesis, so you can likely reduce blood cholesterol levels by supplementing with Vitamin D. Been between 200 - 250 most of adulthood, with normal ldl/hdl ratio and normal triglycerides, so they always say it's a bit high but "not high enough for meds". I always tell them I'll never take meds so so don't even bother. I believe the body regulates it via a feedback mechanism to produce enough D3 and for other means, why correct it unless it's crazily abnormal. As @Robert Sproul mentioned, many studies show levels of Cholesterol near death, but admitting the reverse effect if what you were told before would destroy one of the largest big pharma markets overnight. Fact is current state of the art research still knows hack shit about Cholesterol.
17   RWSGFY   2022 Nov 20, 10:20am  

AmericanKulak says

i remember the 80s when they were like "OMG, avoid Eggs! No Bacon. Eat Oatmeal, then Spaghetti, then a big bowl of veggies with Macaroni" Pritikin Death Diet.


And margarine! It's soooo good for you! Unlike that horrible butter that'll kill you outright!!!
18   HeadSet   2022 Nov 20, 12:44pm  

RWSGFY says

And margarine! It's soooo good for you! Unlike that horrible butter that'll kill you outright!!!

Coffee, too.
19   stfu   2022 Nov 20, 4:05pm  

Cholesterol wasn't even a thing until pharma invented statins.
20   AmericanKulak   2022 Nov 20, 5:17pm  

NuttBoxer says

And don't buy olive oil from Italy, more likely to be canola.

30-40% Fake.

Best bet is single source Olive Oil. And they're growing it now in Georgia again after a century or two. Texas and Florida now also. When I finish moving I'll post the one I got, it's great, but I like my EVOO robust flavored.
21   HeadSet   2022 Nov 20, 7:31pm  

NuttBoxer says

And don't buy olive oil from Italy, more likely to be canola.

That's a surprise, since Euros take their food so seriously. I would have thought false olive oil in Italy would be a punishable offense.
22   HeadSet   2022 Nov 20, 7:33pm  

AmericanKulak says

I like my EVOO robust flavored.

Same here. I noticed the Pompeii brand of EVOO is sourced from several countries, including those in Europe and South America.
23   NuttBoxer   2022 Nov 20, 8:35pm  

HeadSet says

That's a surprise, since Euros take their food so seriously. I would have thought false olive oil in Italy would be a punishable offense.


So the Godfather wasn't all fantasy. I remember reading years back that Italy exports 75% more olive oil than they produce.
24   REpro   2022 Nov 20, 9:24pm  

After taking statin for 25 years, created problems with big muscles, especially legs. Took me years before finding out what cause it. Doctor goes around never mentions statin.
25   mell   2022 Nov 20, 9:29pm  

HeadSet says

NuttBoxer says


And don't buy olive oil from Italy, more likely to be canola.

That's a surprise, since Euros take their food so seriously. I would have thought false olive oil in Italy would be a punishable offense.

I don't think they produce false olive oil, but whenever big conglomerates and international exporters get involved, they will find ways to reduce quality and increase profit, no matter which country.
26   HeadSet   2022 Nov 21, 7:02am  

When I was at Le Tube Air Base in France, I remember a French guy explaining what "Virgin Olive Oil" is. He told us that "Extra" virgin olive oil comes from very light pressure on the press. Then they press a little harder for the "Virgin" olive oil. Then normal pressure to get the regular olive oil. Then they heat the press, apply lots of pressure, and then they get the oil they sell to the Italians.
28   just_passing_through   2022 Nov 21, 7:27am  

mell says

I don't think they produce false olive oil, but whenever big conglomerates and international exporters get involved, they will find ways to reduce quality and increase profit, no matter which country.


I think that's probably true for the multi-sourced labels but I've read and seen exposes claiming a lot of italian olive oil is mixed with non-olive oil (sometimes from N. Africa) and it's the mafia's doing.

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