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The_Deplorable says

"Oswald did not kill Kennedy... The kill shot came from the front and right of Kennedy and his head moved back and to the left when he was hit... Oswald was not on the Grassy Knoll where the shot came from. Further, anyone that has ever shot a bird or any other animal... knows that when a object is hit with a bullet it moves in the same direction the bullet is moving... "

I know quite a bit about firearms. The World War 2 surplus Mannlicher Carcano that Oswald supposedly used is a very well known piece of junk with sloppy bolt action. Oswald's rifle also had a very cheap, bad scope that wasn't even 'sited in,' meaning that the rifle did not shoot in accordance with the aim. Furthermore, FBI expert marksmen were unable to even come close to what the Warren Commission claimed Oswald was able to do. The "Magic Bullet" was found perfectly intact on a gurney at Parkland Hospital, a gurney on which Gov. Connally was never on. Yet, it somehow was connected to Connally after having travelled through 7 entry and exits wounds, and found in near perfect condition ... a complete, absolute, total impossibility. The importance of course of the Magic Bullet was to ballistically connect the rifle to the patsy Oswald.

One other quick item. Contrary to popular belief, there were eyewitnesses to the shots being fired from behind the picket fence. Most of these credible witnesses were never called to testify to the Warren Commission, and the couple that were called, were questioned about things that did not pertain to what they actually saw.

https://summit.news/2023/05/08/rfk-jr-cia-definitely-involved-in-the-murder-of-jfk/

Once again displaying that he is not afraid to go on the offensive against the Deep State, Presidential candidate Robert F. Kennedy Junior stated this past weekend that he believes the CIA was “involved in the murder” of his uncle and has presided over a “60-year cover-up”.

During an interview, host Jason Calacanis asked Kennedy “Do you believe they (the CIA) were involved in the murder of your uncle?”

Kennedy instantly responded “They were definitely involved in the murder and the 60-year cover-up,” adding “They’re still not releasing, you know the papers that legally they have to release.”

RFK Jr. also noted that his father Bobby Kennedy’s belief about assassination was that the CIA was responsible, noting that President Kenndy’s brother even called Langley and asked “did your people do this?”

During his campaign announcement last month, RFK Jr. spoke about his uncle vowing to “take the CIA and shatter it into a thousand pieces and scatter it into the wind” after the disastrous Bay of Pigs incident.

RFK Jr. emphasised that JFK had concluded before he was assassinated that “the function of the intelligence agencies had become to provide the military industrial complex with a constant pipeline of war.”

Kennedy Jr. promised to “let loose” on those who have attempted to silence him for 18 years, asserting “This is what happens when you censor somebody for 18 years. I’ve got a lot to talk about.”

Patrick says

Kennedy Jr. promised to “let loose” on those who have attempted to silence him for 18 years, asserting “This is what happens when you censor somebody for 18 years. I’ve got a lot to talk about.”

I just hope he does this talking on the campaign trail and is not making false promises.

My fear is he is being a tool for the Democrats to get its based excited and then he'll bow out and throw his endorsement to Birdbrain Biden, and try to get all his followers to vote for Birdbrain Biden in November 2024.

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EDIT: OOps, wrong thread

With all that is said, it is obvious this country is ran by people who have no allegiance to the citizens of the United States, thus most likely the US is ran by people that do not live here. So when you say the CIA or whomever killed whomever it is these people, whomever they are that are pulling the strings.

They have vast amounts of money and can blackmail most people here as they're cronies. when a certain person does not do what they want on the world stage, like in Ukraine, they allow the other side to make strides against his son. When he caves it all disappears. So now they want a big move to be made and he must be resisting. But hey he is old and we tried to knock off the enemys leader or so they say. That leaves the door open for revenge or so we say.

A young and week fetaly of a president replacement here would be easy Pickens to control and get what they want done in Europe, and a shoe in for reelection as in a dilemma and already president.

And it will be a. over there, over there. . See ya; would not want to be yah. And I really dont think we will see you again as you go support the ones YOU voted for all you young stooges.

RayAmerica says

I know quite a bit about firearms. The World War 2 surplus Mannlicher Carcano that Oswald supposedly used is a very well known piece of junk with sloppy bolt action

An additional irony is that they showed two entirely different versions of the rifle held up for publicity shots as Oswald's weapon. One was clearly different from the other.

Ceffer says

An additional irony is that they showed two entirely different versions of the rifle held up for publicity shots as Oswald's weapon. One was clearly different from the other.

Blatant "errors" like that make me think they are sending a warning to those in the know, similar to how Seth Rich died in a robbery where nothing was taken.

HeadSet says

Ceffer says

An additional irony is that they showed two entirely different versions of the rifle held up for publicity shots as Oswald's weapon. One was clearly different from the other.

Blatant "errors" like that make me think they are sending a warning to those in the know, similar to how Seth Rich died in a robbery where nothing was taken.

Me too. Remember the guy that committed suicide by shooting himself in the chest and hanging himself?

They are overtly saying, keep your mouth shut, when they do shit like this. The sheep will believe it was suicide or whatever, even though the facts blatantly don't add up if you look into it even a little superficially.

richwicks says

The sheep will believe it was suicide or whatever, even though the facts blatantly don't add up if you look into it even a little superficially.

I do not think it is meant to fool the sheep, but rather to give the cowardly local prosecutors an out by declaring a suicide.

HeadSet says

richwicks says

The sheep will believe it was suicide or whatever, even though the facts blatantly don't add up if you look into it even a little superficially.

I do not think it is meant to fool the sheep, but rather to give the cowardly local prosecutors an out by declaring a suicide.

Propaganda is a thing that gives people an excuse not to think. All 90% of people need to hear is "it was suicide", and they believe it.

People who are little smarter realize, it obviously wasn't a suicide, the prosecutor nor the police will do anything about it, the news lies about it, and it was a politically motivated murder - the murder is a threat and you get to see how many people go along with it, rather than take ANY risk (no matter how minimal) in just going along to get along.

There's virtually no threat to me in pointing out that Mark Middleton was assassinated, hardly any threat to ANYBODY to talk about it, but they won't. Plenty of people can see this was a murder, how many people will point it out? 1%? 0.1%?

JFK's mistress murdered just before Warren Report.

Another one of the many suspicious incidents around that time.
https://www.thevintagenews.com/2018/02/21/mistress/?chrome=1

AmericanKulak says

JFK's mistress murdered just before Warren Report.

Another one of the many suspicious incidents around that time.

JFK considered Mary Meyer to be, unlike his wife Jackie, his intellectual equal. JFK would often confide in her regarding insider information, much of which she recorded in her diary. Her brother-in-law, the journalist *Bill Bradlee, was well known in Washington circles to be an operative of the CIA. On the day of her murder, Bradlee & Meyer's sister specifically went to her "over the garage" apartment in an effort to retrieve her diary. When they arrived they both witnessed James J. Angelton exiting the apartment. At that time, Angleton was the Chief of Counterintelligence for the CIA. Bradlee later claimed that Angelton did not find the diary, but, that they did. After noticing 'nothing sensitive' in its contents, Bradlee and his wife decided to burn it, which they claimed they did. Whatever the case, the CIA was obviously very interested in obtaining the diary.

Another interesting twist; Mary Pinchot Meyer was married to none other than Cord Meyer, who just so happens to have been the CIA's 'go to guy' for black ops. For example; Cord Meyer was the mastermind and principal operative of the CIA's 'Operation Mockingbird,' which was a clandestine effort to recruit members of the media in order to spread CIA propaganda. It's been established that as many as 400 journalists worked for the CIA in that capacity.

As far as Mary Pinchot Meyer's murder, a black man (who was completely innocent) was arrested and tried for the murder. He was defended by a brilliant attorney by the name of Dovey Johnson Roundtree, who was one of the very few black women in America that was a licensed attorney. She proved, beyond any shadow of doubt, that her client was not linked forensically to the crime, nor was there ever any evidence to suggest that her client ever owned a gun (the murder weapon was never found). Her client was set up as a patsy in order to make the crime appear to be just another ordinary murder. However, Mary Meyer was obviously murdered by a professional. She was shot once in the back and once in the temple, execution style. The case to this day is officially listed as 'unsolved.'

*As Editor in Chief at the Washington Post (another CIA operation), Bradlee also played a pivotal role in bringing down Richard Nixon, by continually running 'stories' with insider information provided by the WaPo's 'secret source,' Deep Throat. (At that time, only the Washington Post was running daily stories on Watergate) Deep Throat turned out to be none other than Mark Felt, the Second in Command at the FBI. Watergate was a Coup de tat orchestrated by members of the intelligence community as a means to remove Nixon, whom the Deep State always considered to be an unpredictable outsider. Nixon was replaced as POTUS by Warren Commission member, and co-inventor of the Magic Bullet Theory, Gerald Ford.

Former Congressman Ron Paul recently stated that America had a "coup de tat on November 22, 1963." I completely agree. That's what makes the JFK Assassination relevant, and, it provides ample evidence to see for yourself how the Deep State really operates.

Other case studies?

America's entry into World War I, justified by Woodrow Wilson as a "necessary war in order to make the world safe for Democracy." Just one problem; in all of Europe at that time, there wasn't one single democratic state.

The attack on Pearl Harbor (ALL Japanese codes, both diplomatic and military, were broken prior to the attack. FDR knew well in advance that the attack was coming, but refused to give that information to the Naval and Army command at Pearl). Pearl Harbor was used as a 'back door entry into the European War, which American citizens were overwhelmingly against, and what FDR promised that he would "never send your boys to fight in any European War."

The completely unnecessary use of Atomic weapons upon Hiroshima and Nagasaki. Truman was a notorious liar. He claimed his use of those weapons 'saved the lives of over a million GIs.' Japan was attempting to negotiate peace for an entire year prior to their usage.

How FDR and Truman both conspired to sign away the vast majority of Europe into the hands of the brutal, worse than Hitler Dictator, Joseph Stalin. In short, Americans shed their blood so that Communism would rule the majority of Europe until the collapse of the USSR.

The utterly false flag operation known as the 'Gulf of Tonkin Incident' which led to the 'Gulf of Tonkin Resolution,' giving the warmonger LBJ full war powers in which to wage war on North Viet Nam. 58,000+ Americans died, while wounding countless more in that pointless war, which also killed hundreds of thousands of Vietnamese civilians. The Military Industrial Complex were the winners, as were the crooked politicians such as LBJ that received enormous kick backs.

The first Gulf War under George H. W. Bush, justified by the totally false "babies being thrown out of their incubators." In spite of Bush repeating this lie over and over again, it never happened.

What REALLY happened on 9/11 along with the subsequent boat load of lies that were used to justify the illegal wars in Iraq & Afghanistan.

The PLANDEMIC and its equally planned EXPERIMENTAL genocidal 'vaccines,' that has killed millions and continues to kill countless people.

RayAmerica says

Pearl Harbor was used as a 'back door entry into the European War

Not so. Germany declared war on the US after the US declared war on Japan.

RayAmerica says

The completely unnecessary use of Atomic weapons upon Hiroshima and Nagasaki. Truman was a notorious liar. He claimed his use of those weapons 'saved the lives of over a million GIs.' Japan was attempting to negotiate peace for an entire year prior to their usage.

That whole paragraph is false. Japan refused to surrender even after the first atomic bomb. After the second atomic bomb when the Emperor intervened and ordered Japan to surrender, the Emperor had to fight off a coupe of military brass that did not want to surrender.

We have been lied to about almost every war, and crisis for over 100 years. Pretty much every thing has happened exactly as the new world order wanted it to. And if they can’t buy what they want, they use force.

It’s actually amazing we are still alive and free to talk about their lies. When their plans are finally fully implemented billions will die and the survivors won’t have that liberty, those who exercise their right to free speech will be executed and labeled as enemies for telling the truth.
“Truth is treason in the empire if lies.” -Ron Paul

HeadSet says

RayAmerica says

Pearl Harbor was used as a 'back door entry into the European War

Not so. Germany declared war on the US after the US declared war on Japan.

RayAmerica says

The completely unnecessary use of Atomic weapons upon Hiroshima and Nagasaki. Truman was a notorious liar. He claimed his use of those weapons 'saved the lives of over a million GIs.' Japan was attempting to negotiate peace for an entire year prior to their usage.

That whole paragraph is false. Japan refused to surrender even after the first atomic bomb. After the second atomic bomb when the Emperor intervened and ordered Japan to surrender, the Emperor had to fight off a coupe of military brass that did not want to surrender.

Doesn't make it any more right, it just shows the brutal nature of war. Hiroshima and Nagasaki were war crimes although admittedly they sped up surrender and the end of ww2. That's how fucked up war is

@patrick
I know you did a fix concerning only 2 pages of threads showing. However, an old feature seems to have been deleted. It used to be when I clicked on a thread it would take me to the comment after the last one I read. Now clicking on a thread takes me to the top of the list and I need to scroll down to find my last read comment.

Nations are always negotiating, albeit in private, even during a war with each other. I think the Japanese issue and the atom bomb was that US demanded unconditional surrender, not negotiated surrender. Plus, they wanted to try out their little atomic bomb friend to shock and awe the world,

I was reading an anecdote that Hitler had SS positioned to kill all of the various groups of German scientists (they wound up doing this anyway with the many scientists who worked on their 'Bell' project). In exchange for not killing the scientists so West could ratline them, America agreed that Hitler would be allowed to escape. Don't ask me if this is validated, I don't know. but it does seem Hitler was exfiltrated successfully.

HeadSet says

I know you did a fix concerning only 2 pages of threads showing. However, an old feature seems to have been deleted. It used to be when I clicked on a thread it would take me to the comment after the last one I read. Now clicking on a thread takes me to the top of the list and I need to scroll down to find my last read comment.

@Headset You can still get the old behavior by clicking the "unread comments" blinky icon:



Or you can click the part where it says "latest 28 minutes ago" or similar.

I had to change the result of clicking directly on the thread title because using that to do the work of the blinky icon was causing other problems.

Thanks, Patrick

The war efforts of the USA after the Pearl Harbor attack were concentrated on EUROPE, while the Pacific was severely neglected. Also, it is not surprising that Germany declared war on the USA after Pearl Harbor, due to the Tripartite Pact between Japan, Italy and Germany. The Pact mandated that the other members automatically would be at war with any country that entered into a war with any member of the Pact. FDR certainly knew this and provoked the island nation of Japan to attack the USA because of the crippling embargo that FDR put on Japan.

Further proof for the 'back door' theory is that the USA concentrated its war efforts not in the Pacific after Pearl Harbor, but in Europe! For example; the Philippines were abandoned without hardly a fight, resulting in 25,000 American GIs losing their lives due to the Bataan Death March.

As far as using the A-Bombs on Japan in order to "end the war," the war party of Japan had been defeated politically, and for an entire year, Japan sought to end the war that their leaders knew was lost. The USA responded by demanding "unconditional surrender," which the Japanese could not agree to. Unconditional Surrender meant that Japan would not be able to negotiate at all, leaving their future entirely in the hands of the victors.

The point is this; the war with Japan COULD have ended earlier that it did, but the Americans refused to negotiate. Instead, the A-Bombs were dropped on civilians, and, on an already defeated enemy.

At the time of the nuclear attacks, Japan was in full retreat in the Pacific, and, they had been completely defeated in the Philippines. Their Navy was virtually destroyed, including its aircraft carrier fleet. Its air force was non-existent. Japan's industry was destroyed. Its access to oil was cut off. America was able to conduct bombing raids on Japan without any fear of air combat. Why nuclear weapons were used is a mystery. What we do know is that they were completely unnecessary.

RayAmerica says

. Why nuclear weapons were used is a mystery. What we do know is that they were completely unnecessary

Same reason as the clot shots. Never let a crisis go to waste, instead try out some new fangled deadly shit on people who can't object

I wonder who actually made those two nukes... Raytheon? I cant find the company ...
Sometimes rabbit holes are fun to look into

seesaw says

I wonder who actually made those two nukes.

Manhattan Project by the US Government directly, involving military engineers. It was not contracted out.

All I know is that my Granddad was scheduled to parachute onto Japan until we nuked 'em. They were estimating 90% casualties

After what the Japanese did to our POWs, a little nuking and firebombing of cities seemed quite ok.

https://babylonbee.com/news/dnc-generously-offers-to-host-rally-for-rfk-jr-by-grassy-knoll

https://www.zerohedge.com/political/watch-rfk-jr-says-he-must-be-careful-cia-doesnt-assassinate-him

RFK Jr. Says He Must "Be Careful" The CIA Doesn't Assassinate Him

During a discussion with Joe Rogan, Presidential candidate Robert F. Kennedy junior admitted that he is putting his life in danger by speaking out about the assassinations of his uncle and his father, and that he “takes precautions” to ensure the CIA doesn’t kill him.

Rogan asked RFK Jr. what he thought would happen if he managed to get into office, to which Kennedy replied “I gotta be careful.”

“I’m aware of that, you know, I’m aware of that danger. I don’t live in fear of it — at all. But I’m not stupid about it, and I take precautions,” he added.

Kennedy spoke about his Uncle JFK being “at war” with the military industrial complex, and asserted that the intelligence agencies were “trying to trick him” into launching military excursions into Cuba and Vietnam.

RFK Jr. again spoke about JFK eventually concluding that he must “shatter” the CIA “into a thousands pieces” and “scatter it to the winds.”

“[JFK] learned very early on that the purpose of the CIA and the intelligence apparatus was to create a constant pipeline of new wars for them, for the military industrial complex,” Kennedy noted, adding that JFK was adamant that “it’s not the United States’ jobs to dictate what kind of governments other countries have.”

RFK Jr. continued, “in October of 1963 he heard that some of his Green Berets had been killed… and he said I want a total casualty list from Vietnam. His aide came to him and said 75 Americans have died, he said that’s too many and he signed that day a national security directive ordering all troops out of Vietnam… the first thousand over the next month and then the rest by the beginning of 1965, and um and then a month later he was killed.”

https://notthebee.com/article/former-twitter-head-jack-dorsey-says-that-the-cia-100-without-a-doubt-murdered-jfk

Jack Dorsey: "100%, without a doubt" that the CIA killed JFK

Jack Dorsey recently endorsed Robert F Kennedy Jr. for president and indicated the primary reason was to scatter the CIA and FBI to the wind. ...

I'm not saying this is true, but top public figures like Jack Dorsey, Ron Paul, and RFKJ all unhesitatingly believe that the U.S. government murdered one of the most popular presidents in American history because he was opposed to the CIA's machinations and the escalation of the Vietnam war. That's something right there.

Ceffer says

Nations are always negotiating, albeit in private, even during a war with each other. I think the Japanese issue and the atom bomb was that US demanded unconditional surrender, not negotiated surrender. Plus, they wanted to try out their little atomic bomb friend to shock and awe the world,

One of Hirohito's son came to the US to beg for surrender, the only condition was the the emperor Hirohito wouldn't be killed. The US wanted to test the nuclear bomb on a population, so the US refused, and dropped the two bombs to study the effects.

Then the US accepted surrender, and didn't execute Hirohito.

We didn't have to drop the bomb, but since so much work was put into creating it, it WAS going to be tested.

Patrick says

I'm not saying this is true, but top public figures like Jack Dorsey, Ron Paul, and RFKJ all unhesitatingly believe that the U.S. government murdered one of the most popular presidents in American history because he was opposed to the CIA's machinations and the escalation of the Vietnam war.

I don't think JFK was one of the most popular presidents in history, he wasn't really elected, Nixon was.

Ever see how well Nixon did in his 1970 presidential run?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1972_United_States_presidential_election



Nixon DEMOLISHED George McGovern. He probably WAS the most popular presidential candidate in my lifetime. He won over 60% of the vote. This idea that Nixon was hated is myth.

I think Trump should offer RFK Jr. military protection. The Secret Service is a potentially traitorous and only semi-competent Praetorian Guard. They were part and parcel of the Kennedy assassination, redirecting the motorcade to make sure Kennedy was in the line of fire.
Even the Biden Actor doesn't trust them, which may be why he was accompanied by a Chinese security guard for so long who was clearly wearing a CCP pin and probably had his own protection cadre with Biden bribed asset.

Patrick says

I'm not saying this is true, but top public figures like Jack Dorsey, Ron Paul, and RFKJ all unhesitatingly believe that the U.S. government murdered one of the most popular presidents in American history because he was opposed to the CIA's machinations and the escalation of the Vietnam war. That's something right there.

From what I've read it was more about Kennedy hanging the army/CIA out to dry, making them look bad that caused his assassination. There are a group of people that meet to discuss JFK assassination yearly. A lot of good info, and they debunk a lot of popular theory's that have sprung up over the years.

NuttBoxer says

Patrick says

I'm not saying this is true, but top public figures like Jack Dorsey, Ron Paul, and RFKJ all unhesitatingly believe that the U.S. government murdered one of the most popular presidents in American history because he was opposed to the CIA's machinations and the escalation of the Vietnam war. That's something right there.

From what I've read it was more about Kennedy hanging the army/CIA out to dry, making them look bad that caused his assassination. There are a group of people that meet to discuss JFK assassination yearly. A lot of good info, and they debunk a lot of popular theory's that have sprung up over the years.

Do you know the group? I would like to contact them. I'll connect them to another person and they can rip each other apart on their hypothesis.

I think Kennedy was killed for multiple reasons, not just one.

I don't, just remember Corbett did a presentation at their conference in the last or two. Can probably find it on his site.

richwicks says

One of Hirohito's son came to the US to beg for surrender, the only condition was the the emperor Hirohito wouldn't be killed. The US wanted to test the nuclear bomb on a population, so the US refused, and dropped the two bombs to study the effects.

That narrative flies against the facts. The Japanese refused to surrender even after the first atomic bombing. Even after the second atomic bombing, there was a faction high up that tried a coupe against the Emperor when the Emperor broke the tie and decided on surrender. Also remember that the world saw Germany rise from defeat in WWI to become a conquering powerhouse in the 40s. Noone wanted to see Japan rise up from defeat and also reconquer a few decades later, so unconditional surrender was the only option.

HeadSet says

That narrative flies against the facts. The Japanese refused to surrender even after the first atomic bombing. Even after the second atomic bombing, there was a faction high up that tried a coupe against the Emperor when the Emperor broke the tie and decided on surrender. Also remember that the world saw Germany rise from defeat in WWI to become a conquering powerhouse in the 40s. Noone wanted to see Japan rise up from defeat and also reconquer a few decades later, so unconditional surrender was the only option.

The conditional surrender that the Japanese wanted was "don't kill the emperor" - that was the ONLY condition.

And that's what the US did. Hirohito died at 87.

The US was going to test those nuclear weapons. Everything we learn in government history books is propaganda and lies. Everything. The US had an oil embargo on Japan, while it was at war with China. Japan did EVIL shit then as well. We knew about the pending attack of Pearl Harbor, all the ships that were there were old, everything else was out to sea to do maneuvers. It was intentional to get a bunch of people killed.

Out government always, always, always wants fucking war. Imagine if the US just stayed out of WWII and quietly developed the nuclear bomb.

No government is good, but I'm pretty sick of living under a government that is fucking stupid.

With what the Japanese did to our POWs a little Nuking and Firebombing were in order.

Misc says

With what the Japanese did to our POWs a little Nuking and Firebombing were in order.

The Japanese were vicious, but I don't know if that means that the civilian population should pay for it.

I openly oppose my government's actions because I do not want to be liable for them. I opposed ever war our country has been involved in since 1991. Before that, I was too ignorant to be responsible at all because I was too young.

I know how absolutely vicious the Japanese were to POWs. They tried to make a death ray, it was just microwave radiation, beyond their capabilities at the time and not realistic today. What it did was boil people alive. They tested this on "monkeys", its most likely they tested this on POWs.

War is stupid. Maniacs start it, and engage in it. Guantanamo shows what sort of people do this shit. Sociopaths create the conditions for wars and start them. Diplomacy is the method that should be engaged in, if that fails, and it was honest diplomacy, then do anything to kill the enemy. Kill the sociopaths.

The United States doesn't have any diplomats anymore. Our "diplomats" lie and engage in propaganda to foment war. Our nation has had this SHIT for our State Department for at least 20 years. Complete garbage. Victoria Nuland supposedly is a diplomat. She's an asshole.