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komputodo
2023 Jan 20, 8:32pm
komputodo
2023 Jan 20, 8:32pm
NuttBoxer says
But that means that I would have to be judgmental and possibly racist.
if you see a man with a big dog, or a gun, coming down the street, you assess your risk by the character of the man, not the dog or the gun.
But that means that I would have to be judgmental and possibly racist.
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Patrick
2023 Feb 26, 12:20pm
Patrick
2023 Feb 26, 12:20pm
https://www.ksat.com/news/local/2023/02/24/watch-live-san-antonio-police-at-scene-of-serious-dog-attack-on-west-side/
SAN ANTONIO – A “horrific scene” unfolded on the West Side Friday afternoon after a brutal dog attack claimed an elderly man’s life and left three other people injured, officials said.
As of Friday night, San Antonio police confirmed one of the dogs’ owners has been arrested.
Christian Alexander Moreno, 31, is facing a felony charge of attack by dangerous dog causes death and a felony charge of injury to an elderly. ...
When San Antonio fire crews arrived at the scene, they saw an 81-year-old man being dragged on the sidewalk by one of the two dogs involved in the attack.
SAFD Chief Charles Hood said the man was “completely bloody” before crews made their way off of the fire truck.
“This is not something normal for us. We usually don’t show up and have to defend patients from animals or ourselves,” Hood said.
The dogs also confronted firefighters, who had to fight them off with pickaxes and pike poles so they could attend to the victims, Hood said.
One of the fire captains was bit in the leg, but is OK. The dogs also attacked a woman, who was critically injured and another person.
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GNL
2023 Feb 26, 2:38pm
GNL
2023 Feb 26, 2:38pm
First comment in the comment section of that article...
"Pit bulls kill 10 or more babies per year in the USA.
Imagine a helpless baby screaming in agony and terror as a dog rips the facial flesh off, one piece at a time, and eats it. Then they break the jaw and rip out the baby's tongue. 5-10 minutes for baby to finally die of blood loss. This is why coroners don't like to release their reports on these cases, it's too sickening.
Pit bulls were bred in the 1700s to torture bulls in a fighting ring (pit bull).
In American in 2022, we allow these dogs to torture babies.
Congratulations to everyone."
"Pit bulls kill 10 or more babies per year in the USA.
Imagine a helpless baby screaming in agony and terror as a dog rips the facial flesh off, one piece at a time, and eats it. Then they break the jaw and rip out the baby's tongue. 5-10 minutes for baby to finally die of blood loss. This is why coroners don't like to release their reports on these cases, it's too sickening.
Pit bulls were bred in the 1700s to torture bulls in a fighting ring (pit bull).
In American in 2022, we allow these dogs to torture babies.
Congratulations to everyone."
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fdhfoiehfeoi
2023 Feb 26, 8:12pm
fdhfoiehfeoi
2023 Feb 26, 8:12pm
Patrick says
Glad their charging the person responsible, but why isn't it at least manslaughter? If Christian is in this area, see's a gang-banger walk by, and puts his gun on the ground, the hood picks it up and kills the old man, is it really any different?
Christian Alexander Moreno, 31, is facing a felony charge of attack by dangerous dog causes death and a felony charge of injury to an elderly. ...
Glad their charging the person responsible, but why isn't it at least manslaughter? If Christian is in this area, see's a gang-banger walk by, and puts his gun on the ground, the hood picks it up and kills the old man, is it really any different?
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fdhfoiehfeoi
2023 Feb 26, 8:22pm
fdhfoiehfeoi
2023 Feb 26, 8:22pm
GNL says
How many you think are murdered by their own mothers in abortion clinics? Killed in car accidents? Died after being injected with spike protein poison? From vaccinations? Die from abuse in the foster system? Have been killed in Ukraine or the Middle East? Die in satanic ritual sacrifices by pedophiles who occupy top positions in our government? In every case it's more than 10 a year. Most WAY more.
But let's focus on genetics, because obviously evil is bred, not taught. There are Satan factories where devil worshipers pop out like zits on a 16 year old. I mean that was the case for Dahmer, Bundy, etc right? No abuse in their past when they were children, they were just born evil.
By the way, if you push genetics as the reason for things, you are in the company of the woman who founded Planned Parenthood, and therefore share responsibility for the ideals that have killed more children than any of these abominations to date. You are a hypocrite, and part of the problem.
Pit bulls kill 10 or more babies per year in the USA.
How many you think are murdered by their own mothers in abortion clinics? Killed in car accidents? Died after being injected with spike protein poison? From vaccinations? Die from abuse in the foster system? Have been killed in Ukraine or the Middle East? Die in satanic ritual sacrifices by pedophiles who occupy top positions in our government? In every case it's more than 10 a year. Most WAY more.
But let's focus on genetics, because obviously evil is bred, not taught. There are Satan factories where devil worshipers pop out like zits on a 16 year old. I mean that was the case for Dahmer, Bundy, etc right? No abuse in their past when they were children, they were just born evil.
By the way, if you push genetics as the reason for things, you are in the company of the woman who founded Planned Parenthood, and therefore share responsibility for the ideals that have killed more children than any of these abominations to date. You are a hypocrite, and part of the problem.
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WookieMan
2023 Feb 27, 12:51am
WookieMan
2023 Feb 27, 12:51am
NuttBoxer says
Not wrong. Never had met a pit bull I'd "trust" around children though. Abortion, accidents, some vaccinations, etc are bad. There's no need for the breed of dog in modern times.
To be honest it's a small penis syndrome type thing. Like dudes getting F-350 trucks or something similar. Or a black thing. No logical person owns a dog that can kill people regardless of how well trained and good of an owner they are. It's an animal. Let me know when you want to pet my nice mountain lion and it decapitates you with one swipe. Great pet. That's a pit bull.
How many you think are murdered by their own mothers in abortion clinics? Killed in car accidents? Died after being injected with spike protein poison? From vaccinations? Die from abuse in the foster system? Have been killed in Ukraine or the Middle East? Die in satanic ritual sacrifices by pedophiles who occupy top positions in our government? In every case it's more than 10 a year. Most WAY more.
Not wrong. Never had met a pit bull I'd "trust" around children though. Abortion, accidents, some vaccinations, etc are bad. There's no need for the breed of dog in modern times.
To be honest it's a small penis syndrome type thing. Like dudes getting F-350 trucks or something similar. Or a black thing. No logical person owns a dog that can kill people regardless of how well trained and good of an owner they are. It's an animal. Let me know when you want to pet my nice mountain lion and it decapitates you with one swipe. Great pet. That's a pit bull.
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GNL
2023 Feb 27, 5:20am
GNL
2023 Feb 27, 5:20am
NuttBoxer says
Pitbulls were created by man.
GNL says
Pit bulls kill 10 or more babies per year in the USA.
How many you think are murdered by their own mothers in abortion clinics? Killed in car accidents? Died after being injected with spike protein poison? From vaccinations? Die from abuse in the foster system? Have been killed in Ukraine or the Middle East? Die in satanic ritual sacrifices by pedophiles who occupy top positions in our government? In every case it's more than 10 a year. Most WAY more.
But let's focus on genetics, because obviously evil is bred, not taught. There are Satan factories where devil worshipers pop out like zits on a 16 year old. I mean that was the case for Dahmer, Bundy, etc right? No abuse in their past when they were children, they were just born evil.
By the way, if you push genetics as the reason for things, you are in the company of the woman who founded Planne...
Pitbulls were created by man.
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DhammaStep
2023 Feb 27, 6:41am
It's clear that we're going to disagree until the end of time on this subject and frankly the knowledge gaps makes any actual discussion on the topic impossible. I would rather posit a speculative question to everyone: what do you believe a "pitbull ban" would look like? Do you really believe pitbull owners are going to gladly give up their animals? Or are you going to need the government mafia to show up, breaking your door down with guns because your neighbor said they heard barking?
I don't really need to speculate, we have recent history on this.
Maybe you should ask yourselves why a totalitarian government thought it was a worthwhile venture to spend time and resources on killing dogs in the name of "germs" especially right after disarming the citizens and before implementing horrifying policies like the One-Child policy.
https://anti-empire.com/forced-vaccinations-face-masks-cities-washed-in-poisons-the-maoist-anti-germ-frenzy-of-of-1952/
I don't really need to speculate, we have recent history on this.
In the cities some families kept them as pets, while in the countryside they were popular for guard duty, herding and food. They were routinely put down in communist-held areas during the civil war. Like everything else, the cull came in stages after liberation. In Beijing, a swoop cleared thousands of wild dogs from the streets, often with the support of local residents, as policemen armed with wire nooses on bamboo poles rounded them up. Then, by September 1949, dog owners were required to register their pets and keep the animals indoors. A year later the destruction of registered dogs started. Some of the animals were voluntarily turned in, but a few owners refused to surrender them. In a few cases the police were even confronted by angry dog keepers, who sometimes had the crowd on their side. The police then started breaking into houses. Owners came back home to find their doors broken down and their pets gone
Even though her roommates objected to the animal, Esther Cheo kept a small female dog in her dormitory, which she had taken in as a puppy. She shared all her food with it, and the dog was named Hsiao Mee, after the millet they ate. During the cull one of her colleagues who disliked dogs opened the door and let her out. The dog was soon caught and carried away, but, with the help of a high-ranking cadre, Esther managed to locate the compound where the animals were kept. ‘I walked up and down stumbling over dead and dying dogs, shouting out Hsiao Mee’s name, trying to drown out the barks and whines of hundreds of dogs. Eventually I found her. She was in a cage with several others. She jumped up and tried to lick my face, trembling with fear and perhaps excited, hoping that I had come to take her home. I could only sit there and stroke her.’ Esther came back to the compound regularly, even taking a pair of scissors to the dog’s coat in the hope that she would not be slaughtered for her skin. But in the end all she was allowed to do was to feed her pet some scraps of pork from the canteen and look on as the animal shivered and ate from the bowl in her mangled coat. Finally, with the help of a sympathetic cadre, Esther was given a pistol. She took off the safety catch, pressed the barrel against the dog’s ear and blew her head off.
Dogs were denounced as a threat to public hygiene and a symbol of bourgeois decadence at a time of food shortages. Except for those owned by a few privileged diplomats and top officials, they were soon cleared from the cities. But parts of the countryside continued to resist for several years. In Guangdong, efforts to impose a cull backfired in 1952, as angry villagers openly defied the authorities. Killing a landlord was one thing, but taking away a man’s dog was another matter altogether, as they protected homesteads, crops and livestock. In Shandong, where almost every family kept a dog, repeated culls also failed. In the end, however, even the countryside fell into line.
Maybe you should ask yourselves why a totalitarian government thought it was a worthwhile venture to spend time and resources on killing dogs in the name of "germs" especially right after disarming the citizens and before implementing horrifying policies like the One-Child policy.
https://anti-empire.com/forced-vaccinations-face-masks-cities-washed-in-poisons-the-maoist-anti-germ-frenzy-of-of-1952/
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WookieMan
2023 Feb 27, 7:03am
WookieMan
2023 Feb 27, 7:03am
DhammaStep says
It's not impossible. I don't want government intervention as a semi libertarian for sure, but that's not the discussion. Just stop breeding them. There are other breeds that should be banned as well. There are also other breeds of dogs you can get.
Counterpoint. Should I be able to have a mountain lion, bear or tiger as a pet that could potentially get out? I'd imagine that's a resounding no unless you've got enclosures that are secure and inspected. Look at Turkey after that earthquake. They built buildings like shit and killed thousands, but you thought you could live in them.
A pitt bull can kill in a moment regardless of the owners training. Even if by the best pit bull trainer. Especially older pits where they go the equivalent of senile with old age. The training goes out the window and it's a 100lbs dog that could still rip your arm off. A dog like a yorkie will do the same. The bites would hurt, but it's not going to kill you. Probably more common honestly. It's the idea that an animal at any moment, unprovoked could kill you or someone else.
Another point, drug dogs. Super trained. They've gotten it wrong on me multiple times when I was in high school. I had fun Junior and Senior year in high school, but I got hit two times by the K-9 unit random search of the parking lot (illegal) at school. I never smoked in my car. I never even had a bag of weed in my car. This was the 90's. So these "super highly trained" dogs fucked it up, yet I'm expecting Dante and Shaquanda down the block to train their pit properly? Hells no.
It's clear that we're going to disagree until the end of time on this subject and frankly the knowledge gaps makes any actual discussion on the topic impossible.
It's not impossible. I don't want government intervention as a semi libertarian for sure, but that's not the discussion. Just stop breeding them. There are other breeds that should be banned as well. There are also other breeds of dogs you can get.
Counterpoint. Should I be able to have a mountain lion, bear or tiger as a pet that could potentially get out? I'd imagine that's a resounding no unless you've got enclosures that are secure and inspected. Look at Turkey after that earthquake. They built buildings like shit and killed thousands, but you thought you could live in them.
A pitt bull can kill in a moment regardless of the owners training. Even if by the best pit bull trainer. Especially older pits where they go the equivalent of senile with old age. The training goes out the window and it's a 100lbs dog that could still rip your arm off. A dog like a yorkie will do the same. The bites would hurt, but it's not going to kill you. Probably more common honestly. It's the idea that an animal at any moment, unprovoked could kill you or someone else.
Another point, drug dogs. Super trained. They've gotten it wrong on me multiple times when I was in high school. I had fun Junior and Senior year in high school, but I got hit two times by the K-9 unit random search of the parking lot (illegal) at school. I never smoked in my car. I never even had a bag of weed in my car. This was the 90's. So these "super highly trained" dogs fucked it up, yet I'm expecting Dante and Shaquanda down the block to train their pit properly? Hells no.
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GNL
2023 Feb 27, 7:29am
GNL
2023 Feb 27, 7:29am
Ok, if your illegal dog breed kills someone, then you're subject to lethal injection. As well as the person that sold you the dog. You'll also be responsible for health bills and pain and suffering. Can't pay, prison. Deal?
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DhammaStep
2023 Feb 27, 7:40am
WookieMan says
Sorry, but it is. I've already stated my stance that I don't consider pitbulls and similar breeds to be "pets" and you respond with the nonsense about bears and lions. The word "pet" evokes some strange comparision that they should be treated like goldfish or cats. I consider having large animals of any kind to be a full time responsibility. These are not animals you let your children hang out with alone. No responsible pitbull owner I've known has had children below the age of 14 before owning one and those teenagers must be trained themselves on dog ownership as well. Based on what you said about "Dante and Shaniqua" it's clear you're depending on some sort of government intervention to police human behavior, not animal behavior. What if I want to keep Dante and Shaniqua off my property when I'm not around? Is the government going to keep watch for me?
We have zoos that are "secure and inspected" and animals still get out. We don't ban zoos entirely because a small minority of animals escape, do we? The entire stance screams of "please don't let the bad things happen." Impossible, bad things will happen. Schools are shot up yearly and that's something we've learned to live with, isn't it?
Do I think people should be owning animals because of image or status symbols? No, I don't think you should even own a cat just because you think they're cute. Just like arms, animals are a responsibility. For clarity sake I will spell it out: pitbulls (and similar breeds) are territorial defense weapons and the need for defending your territory has not and will not change, ever.
It's not impossible
Sorry, but it is. I've already stated my stance that I don't consider pitbulls and similar breeds to be "pets" and you respond with the nonsense about bears and lions. The word "pet" evokes some strange comparision that they should be treated like goldfish or cats. I consider having large animals of any kind to be a full time responsibility. These are not animals you let your children hang out with alone. No responsible pitbull owner I've known has had children below the age of 14 before owning one and those teenagers must be trained themselves on dog ownership as well. Based on what you said about "Dante and Shaniqua" it's clear you're depending on some sort of government intervention to police human behavior, not animal behavior. What if I want to keep Dante and Shaniqua off my property when I'm not around? Is the government going to keep watch for me?
Should I be able to have a mountain lion, bear or tiger as a pet that could potentially get out? I'd imagine that's a resounding no unless you've got enclosures that are secure and inspected.
We have zoos that are "secure and inspected" and animals still get out. We don't ban zoos entirely because a small minority of animals escape, do we? The entire stance screams of "please don't let the bad things happen." Impossible, bad things will happen. Schools are shot up yearly and that's something we've learned to live with, isn't it?
Do I think people should be owning animals because of image or status symbols? No, I don't think you should even own a cat just because you think they're cute. Just like arms, animals are a responsibility. For clarity sake I will spell it out: pitbulls (and similar breeds) are territorial defense weapons and the need for defending your territory has not and will not change, ever.
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DhammaStep
2023 Feb 27, 7:42am
GNL says
I don't make deals with people that use propaganda and emotional appeals to take my rights away. Sorry.
Ok, if your illegal dog breed kills someone, then you're subject to lethal injection. As well as the person that sold you the dog. You'll also be responsible for health bills and pain and suffering. Can't pay, prison. Deal?
I don't make deals with people that use propaganda and emotional appeals to take my rights away. Sorry.
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WookieMan
2023 Feb 27, 8:22am
WookieMan
2023 Feb 27, 8:22am
DhammaStep says
Defense of what? I live in the middle of nowhere. Never have remotely felt threatened. Where are these dogs needed as a territorial defense weapon?? Isn't that what a gun is for? I'm not relying on an animal to protect me that will eat a steak thrown their way as a treat when I rob you. Protection is on me as a man. I'm not following your logic.
If you're the F-350 guy that doesn't haul, tow or use it for anything that's productive, that's fine. The F-350 isn't going to just run me over though out of your control. A pit bull and similar breeds is all image like you're a tough guy. This really isn't a topic that's worth discussing, but I bit on it... like a pit bull. Get a gun and call it a day. Even trained aggressive dogs are easy to tame in 2 seconds. You're not stopping a thinking human with a shotgun.
For clarity sake I will spell it out: pitbulls (and similar breeds) are territorial defense weapons and the need for defending your territory has not and will not change, ever.
Defense of what? I live in the middle of nowhere. Never have remotely felt threatened. Where are these dogs needed as a territorial defense weapon?? Isn't that what a gun is for? I'm not relying on an animal to protect me that will eat a steak thrown their way as a treat when I rob you. Protection is on me as a man. I'm not following your logic.
If you're the F-350 guy that doesn't haul, tow or use it for anything that's productive, that's fine. The F-350 isn't going to just run me over though out of your control. A pit bull and similar breeds is all image like you're a tough guy. This really isn't a topic that's worth discussing, but I bit on it... like a pit bull. Get a gun and call it a day. Even trained aggressive dogs are easy to tame in 2 seconds. You're not stopping a thinking human with a shotgun.
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DhammaStep
2023 Feb 27, 8:35am
WookieMan says
This attitude is precisely why having a discussion about this is impossible. The entire world isn't like your Disney life. My cousin was raped by three men and they slit her throat, in her own house. Breaking and entering is illegal. Rape is illegal. Murder is illegal. Would a pitbull have been an additional deterrent? You better believe it. Would even a single bark in the night given her enough time to wake up and arm herself? Maybe. We'll never know now. Or in your imagination, these scumbags are carrying around steaks in their back pocket when they're feeling rapey? Shooting the dog itself would make enough noise to alert the neighborhood, or are they carrying shotgun silencers too?
You talk about "tough guy image" and "small dick energy" because you believe your experience and viewpoint is the only correct one. This is ego speaking, not logic. Not facts. Not truth.
Defense of what?
This attitude is precisely why having a discussion about this is impossible. The entire world isn't like your Disney life. My cousin was raped by three men and they slit her throat, in her own house. Breaking and entering is illegal. Rape is illegal. Murder is illegal. Would a pitbull have been an additional deterrent? You better believe it. Would even a single bark in the night given her enough time to wake up and arm herself? Maybe. We'll never know now. Or in your imagination, these scumbags are carrying around steaks in their back pocket when they're feeling rapey? Shooting the dog itself would make enough noise to alert the neighborhood, or are they carrying shotgun silencers too?
You talk about "tough guy image" and "small dick energy" because you believe your experience and viewpoint is the only correct one. This is ego speaking, not logic. Not facts. Not truth.
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GNL
2023 Feb 27, 8:42am
GNL
2023 Feb 27, 8:42am
DhammaStep says
You're not making a bad point. The problem is responsibility and how far do we take it. Answer Wookieman's question...should I be able to have a self defense lion or not?
WookieMan says
Defense of what?
This attitude is precisely why having a discussion about this is impossible. The entire world isn't like your Disney life. My cousin was raped by three men and they slit her throat, in her own house. Breaking and entering is illegal. Rape is illegal. Murder is illegal. Would a pitbull have been an additional deterrent? You better believe it. Would even a single bark in the night given her enough time to wake up and arm herself? Maybe. We'll never know now. Or in your imagination, these scumbags are carrying around steaks in their back pocket when they're feeling rapey? Shooting the dog itself would make enough noise to alert the neighborhood, or are they carrying shotgun silencers too?
You talk about "tough guy image" and "small dick energy" because you believe your experience and viewpoint is the only correct one. This is ego speaking...
You're not making a bad point. The problem is responsibility and how far do we take it. Answer Wookieman's question...should I be able to have a self defense lion or not?
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GNL
2023 Feb 27, 8:47am
GNL
2023 Feb 27, 8:47am
Does this dumb bitch look like she could stop this dog from killing your child?
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DhammaStep
2023 Feb 27, 8:57am
GNL says
If I'm being forced to answer stupid questions I'll just ask them back. Why don't you just shoot the dog attacking your child? In fact, why not give your five year old a gun to make sure they're safe 24/7? After all, it's just personal responsibility, isn't it?
Does this dumb bitch look like she could stop this dog from killing your child?
If I'm being forced to answer stupid questions I'll just ask them back. Why don't you just shoot the dog attacking your child? In fact, why not give your five year old a gun to make sure they're safe 24/7? After all, it's just personal responsibility, isn't it?
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DhammaStep
2023 Feb 27, 9:06am
@WookieMan @GNL I'm sorry but I'm going to have to back away from this thread for now. It's brought up a lot of bad memories and feelings for me and it's become too personal. You can take it as a sign of cowardice or a failure of my ability to debate as you please but I know my limits. Perhaps I'll be back to this topic in a few months.
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WookieMan
2023 Feb 27, 9:30am
WookieMan
2023 Feb 27, 9:30am
DhammaStep says
Your story sucks dude. I mean that in an empathetic way. I don't want anyone to have to go through that. I've had personal trauma as well and I'm sure other users have as well. Not trying to shit on you. We're not attacking, just conversing about a controversial breed of dog. We had no clue what you or your family went through until you mentioned. My apologies. No offense was intended.
Get the dog if you want it though. It won't be outlawed ever. But have sympathy for the kids and people that have been maimed and killed by them. It's a two way street is all. My opinion is they should not be breeding them anymore. There's security cameras, alarms, guns, etc. A dog is child's play for a real criminal. If you have a postal carrier that walks and drops mail off, let me know how that pit bull does is all. I am sincerely sorry for the trauma you endured, all we're saying is a dog is not the answer and it can harm other people just as your family member was.
Seriously sorry though dude. I did not expect it to go down this rabbit hole. As someone with multiple suicides and early deaths in the family I can understand the anger. Sorry we triggered an awful memory.
WookieMan GNL I'm sorry but I'm going to have to back away from this thread for now. It's brought up a lot of bad memories and feelings for me and it's become too personal. You can take it as a sign of cowardice or a failure of my ability to debate as you please but I know my limits. Perhaps I'll be back to this topic in a few months.
Your story sucks dude. I mean that in an empathetic way. I don't want anyone to have to go through that. I've had personal trauma as well and I'm sure other users have as well. Not trying to shit on you. We're not attacking, just conversing about a controversial breed of dog. We had no clue what you or your family went through until you mentioned. My apologies. No offense was intended.
Get the dog if you want it though. It won't be outlawed ever. But have sympathy for the kids and people that have been maimed and killed by them. It's a two way street is all. My opinion is they should not be breeding them anymore. There's security cameras, alarms, guns, etc. A dog is child's play for a real criminal. If you have a postal carrier that walks and drops mail off, let me know how that pit bull does is all. I am sincerely sorry for the trauma you endured, all we're saying is a dog is not the answer and it can harm other people just as your family member was.
Seriously sorry though dude. I did not expect it to go down this rabbit hole. As someone with multiple suicides and early deaths in the family I can understand the anger. Sorry we triggered an awful memory.
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GNL
2023 Feb 27, 10:57am
GNL
2023 Feb 27, 10:57am
Yes, sorry for your loss. Do you have the same empathy for children who have been killed by these dogs? If not, then you really only care about yourself and your own experiences.
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richwicks
2023 Feb 27, 12:18pm
richwicks
2023 Feb 27, 12:18pm
Look, there's less than 100 deaths by dogs per year in the United States:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_fatal_dog_attacks_in_the_United_States
The vaccines have killed more people, FAR more people. Drug over doses kill more people, automobile accidents kill more people, guns kill more people.. The number of deaths caused by dogs is so low, it's not even worth thinking about.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_fatal_dog_attacks_in_the_United_States
The vaccines have killed more people, FAR more people. Drug over doses kill more people, automobile accidents kill more people, guns kill more people.. The number of deaths caused by dogs is so low, it's not even worth thinking about.
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fdhfoiehfeoi
2023 Feb 27, 12:34pm
fdhfoiehfeoi
2023 Feb 27, 12:34pm
GNL says
Now something along this lines I would be fine with. The only question, don't we have it already? If it's shown that your dog was not trained, or trained to be aggressive, that you did not properly secure them, and they kill someone, I think the owner should at the least be up for manslaughter.
On the person who sold it, only if it can be proven they knowingly sold the dog to someone who was not qualified to own the dog. And then, at most manslaughter, but only in the worst cases. Again, if we follow the same philosophy as we would for anything that could be a potential danger or weapon, it should be a fairly standard assessment.
Ok, if your illegal dog breed kills someone, then you're subject to lethal injection. As well as the person that sold you the dog. You'll also be responsible for health bills and pain and suffering. Can't pay, prison. Deal?
Now something along this lines I would be fine with. The only question, don't we have it already? If it's shown that your dog was not trained, or trained to be aggressive, that you did not properly secure them, and they kill someone, I think the owner should at the least be up for manslaughter.
On the person who sold it, only if it can be proven they knowingly sold the dog to someone who was not qualified to own the dog. And then, at most manslaughter, but only in the worst cases. Again, if we follow the same philosophy as we would for anything that could be a potential danger or weapon, it should be a fairly standard assessment.
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mell
2023 Feb 27, 12:39pm
GNL says
No self defense lion, this is totally different from a weapon which can be controlled. That's why even people who mostly succeed at controlling lions do so in cages so only they get maimed if the lion decides otherwise. No man/womyn has enough body strength to control a lion on a leash. Strong/big dogs are pretty much the borderline.
You're not making a bad point. The problem is responsibility and how far do we take it. Answer Wookieman's question...should I be able to have a self defense lion or not?
No self defense lion, this is totally different from a weapon which can be controlled. That's why even people who mostly succeed at controlling lions do so in cages so only they get maimed if the lion decides otherwise. No man/womyn has enough body strength to control a lion on a leash. Strong/big dogs are pretty much the borderline.
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GNL
2023 Feb 27, 12:57pm
GNL
2023 Feb 27, 12:57pm
mell says
But what if I can demonstrate that my self defense lion won't bite my head off when I put my head in it's mouth? Doesn't that prove that MY lion is safe?
GNL says
You're not making a bad point. The problem is responsibility and how far do we take it. Answer Wookieman's question...should I be able to have a self defense lion or not?
No self defense lion, this is totally different from a weapon which can be controlled. That's why even people who mostly succeed at controlling lions do so in cages so only they get maimed if the lion decides otherwise. No man/womyn has enough body strength to control a lion on a leash. Strong/big dogs are pretty much the borderline.
But what if I can demonstrate that my self defense lion won't bite my head off when I put my head in it's mouth? Doesn't that prove that MY lion is safe?
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mell
2023 Feb 27, 1:25pm
GNL says
Haha, no, because they are ruled by animal instincts unbeknownst to men, next time could be different
mell says
GNL says
You're not making a bad point. The problem is responsibility and how far do we take it. Answer Wookieman's question...should I be able to have a self defense lion or not?
No self defense lion, this is totally different from a weapon which can be controlled. That's why even people who mostly succeed at controlling lions do so in cages so only they get maimed if the lion decides otherwise. No man/womyn has enough body strength to control a lion on a leash. Strong/big dogs are pretty much the borderline.
But what if I can demonstrate that my self defense lion won't bite my head off when I put my head in it's mouth? Doesn't that prove that MY lion is safe?
Haha, no, because they are ruled by animal instincts unbeknownst to men, next time could be different
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GNL
2023 Feb 27, 2:46pm
GNL
2023 Feb 27, 2:46pm
Dholliday126 says
And she will remain terrified for life.
https://nypost.com/2023/02/26/girl-6-needs-1000-stitches-wont-be-able-to-smile-again-after-vicious-dog-attack/
And she will remain terrified for life.
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fdhfoiehfeoi
2023 Feb 27, 3:50pm
fdhfoiehfeoi
2023 Feb 27, 3:50pm
GNL says
Do you have kids? That's some defeatist bullshit. I don't allow fear to rule my kids lives, they learn to overcome it. Parents don't raise victims, at least not the good ones.
My niece is fine to still be around dogs despite being bitten on the head by an ill-trained husky.
And she will remain terrified for life.
Do you have kids? That's some defeatist bullshit. I don't allow fear to rule my kids lives, they learn to overcome it. Parents don't raise victims, at least not the good ones.
My niece is fine to still be around dogs despite being bitten on the head by an ill-trained husky.
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WookieMan
2023 Feb 27, 4:10pm
WookieMan
2023 Feb 27, 4:10pm
NuttBoxer says
No she's not. 100%. You don't get bitten by a dog ONCE and not have a concern around them. Maybe your dog that she's familiar with. Zero kids that get bit enjoy dogs. That's fact unless they fucked with it and then they're retarded basically.
There's a reason black kids are afraid of dogs. They likely had a chunk taken out of them from a rot or pit used for dog fighting. Michael Vick was no joke when that shit went down. There were kids that saw that shit. There were kids that got maimed while training that shit.
End of the day it's a fucking dog. Good or bad owner, it's a shit dog no one needs. Black people kill more black people than any race on the planet, yet we can't acknowledge that? It's a random white cop that kills a black man high as fuck and a city is burnt. This is fucking where we're at??? No fucking logic?
My niece is fine to still be around dogs despite being bitten on the head by an ill-trained husky.
No she's not. 100%. You don't get bitten by a dog ONCE and not have a concern around them. Maybe your dog that she's familiar with. Zero kids that get bit enjoy dogs. That's fact unless they fucked with it and then they're retarded basically.
There's a reason black kids are afraid of dogs. They likely had a chunk taken out of them from a rot or pit used for dog fighting. Michael Vick was no joke when that shit went down. There were kids that saw that shit. There were kids that got maimed while training that shit.
End of the day it's a fucking dog. Good or bad owner, it's a shit dog no one needs. Black people kill more black people than any race on the planet, yet we can't acknowledge that? It's a random white cop that kills a black man high as fuck and a city is burnt. This is fucking where we're at??? No fucking logic?
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GNL
2023 Feb 27, 5:21pm
GNL
2023 Feb 27, 5:21pm
Young children are imprinted from ages 1-2 through 7 or so. My oldest daughter and youngest daughter (wife's children actually) are 4 years apart. They came from a very shitty situation from my wife's previous marriage. I got them when they were 3 and 7. They are very different and attached to me very differently because the 3 year old barely remembered anything.
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Onvacation
2023 Feb 27, 5:49pm
Onvacation
2023 Feb 27, 5:49pm
richwicks says
There sure are a lot of Pitbulls on that list of killer dogs over the last couple of years.
Asshole owners TRAIN their pitbulls to be killers. Still, I don't trust a dog whose jaw is bigger than it's brain.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_fatal_dog_attacks_in_the_United_States
There sure are a lot of Pitbulls on that list of killer dogs over the last couple of years.
Asshole owners TRAIN their pitbulls to be killers. Still, I don't trust a dog whose jaw is bigger than it's brain.
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fdhfoiehfeoi
2023 Feb 27, 7:51pm
fdhfoiehfeoi
2023 Feb 27, 7:51pm
WookieMan says
So you know her? You've talked to her? When I was two we lived next to a neighbor with a BIG ass dog. I used to say hi to my neighbor when he came home every day, and stick my hand right through the fence and pet his dog. I don't remember, but that's what my parents say. I was bitten by my Grampa's German Shepard when I was a kid, still remember. He was getting older, and my Grampa was kind of an asshole, may not have been getting the best care. But I don't remember any fear of dogs after that. I think their Dachshund bit me once too We have chihuahua's(my wife's choice). Both of my younger daughters have tortured them a bit when they were young. With the middle one we didn't let her get bit, and it was a mistake. Let me youngest one get bit one time, and she's been much nicer with the dogs(they're super old now).
Notice that all my stories of dogs biting, not once were they pits? And not because we didn't, and don't know people who have them.
This thread boils down to responsibility. Dog owners are responsible for their dogs. God is responsible for genetics. And He doesn't make you sick, and he doesn't make killer dogs. Those things happen because of humans.
You give me a dalmatian, and I guarantee with enough abuse, I can make that dog dangerous enough to seriously injure any of you. Take away the pits, and people will get mauled by Dalmatian's, or German Shepards, or Golden Retrievers, or whatever is left that's big. You want to wipe out dogs, but the problem isn't dogs, it's humans. And if you take away the dogs, they will use guns. Take away the guns, knives. Take away the knives, rocks. This is the ridiculous spiral that will always occur when you blame shift, instead of own up.
If some of you don't spend more time thinking through the end result of your bullshit philosophies, you will be responsible for making this world a worse place for those who come after you. Be part of the solution, not the problem.
No she's not. 100%. You don't get bitten by a dog ONCE and not have a concern around them. Maybe your dog that she's familiar with. Zero kids that get bit enjoy dogs. That's fact unless they fucked with it and then they're retarded basically.
So you know her? You've talked to her? When I was two we lived next to a neighbor with a BIG ass dog. I used to say hi to my neighbor when he came home every day, and stick my hand right through the fence and pet his dog. I don't remember, but that's what my parents say. I was bitten by my Grampa's German Shepard when I was a kid, still remember. He was getting older, and my Grampa was kind of an asshole, may not have been getting the best care. But I don't remember any fear of dogs after that. I think their Dachshund bit me once too We have chihuahua's(my wife's choice). Both of my younger daughters have tortured them a bit when they were young. With the middle one we didn't let her get bit, and it was a mistake. Let me youngest one get bit one time, and she's been much nicer with the dogs(they're super old now).
Notice that all my stories of dogs biting, not once were they pits? And not because we didn't, and don't know people who have them.
This thread boils down to responsibility. Dog owners are responsible for their dogs. God is responsible for genetics. And He doesn't make you sick, and he doesn't make killer dogs. Those things happen because of humans.
You give me a dalmatian, and I guarantee with enough abuse, I can make that dog dangerous enough to seriously injure any of you. Take away the pits, and people will get mauled by Dalmatian's, or German Shepards, or Golden Retrievers, or whatever is left that's big. You want to wipe out dogs, but the problem isn't dogs, it's humans. And if you take away the dogs, they will use guns. Take away the guns, knives. Take away the knives, rocks. This is the ridiculous spiral that will always occur when you blame shift, instead of own up.
If some of you don't spend more time thinking through the end result of your bullshit philosophies, you will be responsible for making this world a worse place for those who come after you. Be part of the solution, not the problem.
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WookieMan
2023 Feb 27, 8:10pm
WookieMan
2023 Feb 27, 8:10pm
NuttBoxer says
Outside of hunting, dog sledding (not really anymore even) shepherding or farming, dogs are useless. I've had 5 dogs in my life. Domesticated dogs are a want, not a need. It's an absolute waste of resources and many are dangerous.
Unless it's a useful dog, they're all a waste. That's fact and that's coming from a former dog owner as recently as 6 months ago. Not one person on this planet needs a pit bull. It's a status/ego thing. There's nothing to argue here really. People want a big ugly dog, that can kill because they're not tough. Simple as that. People want a golden doodle. That's useless. It's a feel good dog. 95% of all dogs are useless. It just makes people feel a way. They get them because their kids want one. Or it's a status symbol.
Not sure why this thread is active again. Domesticated dogs are 100% stupid. Any breed.
If some of you don't spend more time thinking through the end result of your bullshit philosophies, you will be responsible for making this world a worse place for those who come after you. Be part of the solution, not the problem.
Outside of hunting, dog sledding (not really anymore even) shepherding or farming, dogs are useless. I've had 5 dogs in my life. Domesticated dogs are a want, not a need. It's an absolute waste of resources and many are dangerous.
Unless it's a useful dog, they're all a waste. That's fact and that's coming from a former dog owner as recently as 6 months ago. Not one person on this planet needs a pit bull. It's a status/ego thing. There's nothing to argue here really. People want a big ugly dog, that can kill because they're not tough. Simple as that. People want a golden doodle. That's useless. It's a feel good dog. 95% of all dogs are useless. It just makes people feel a way. They get them because their kids want one. Or it's a status symbol.
Not sure why this thread is active again. Domesticated dogs are 100% stupid. Any breed.
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Onvacation
2023 Feb 27, 8:48pm
Onvacation
2023 Feb 27, 8:48pm
WookieMan says
I don't know about that. My little poodle knows how to get what she wants from me.
I once told my nephew, "That dog is pretty useless". He responded, "No, She's good for hanging out with". He's right, they don't call them mans best friend for nothing.
Domesticated dogs are 100% stupid. Any breed.
I don't know about that. My little poodle knows how to get what she wants from me.
I once told my nephew, "That dog is pretty useless". He responded, "No, She's good for hanging out with". He's right, they don't call them mans best friend for nothing.
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richwicks
2023 Feb 27, 8:57pm
richwicks
2023 Feb 27, 8:57pm
Onvacation says
That's the whole point of having a dog, it's a buddy.
@WookieMan - if you you don't like dogs, don't get a dog. Plenty of shit owners out there. I have NO IDEA why people get a dog that they suck at taking care of. When I did foster, I was always curious as how 1/2 the dogs I had were all fucked up. WHY did somebody get this animal to screw it up? Why?
A dog is some work, but not a terrible amount of work. They keep you active, they mess with you, they even play mind games to a point. They're fun to be around but there's people that will seriously get a dog, tie it up out back to a dog house, and never interact with it, and it's lucky to be fed once a day. Why on Earth are they doing this? It's just purposely giving an animal a miserable life. Why would they do this? They get nothing out of the animal, it costs them to feed it, and they don't even enjoy interacting with it. You'd be AGHAST at how many people like this exist. What the fuck is wrong with people? Are they just sadists?
I once told my nephew, "That dog is pretty useless". He responded, "No, She's good for hanging out with". He's right, they don't call them mans best friend for nothing.
That's the whole point of having a dog, it's a buddy.
@WookieMan - if you you don't like dogs, don't get a dog. Plenty of shit owners out there. I have NO IDEA why people get a dog that they suck at taking care of. When I did foster, I was always curious as how 1/2 the dogs I had were all fucked up. WHY did somebody get this animal to screw it up? Why?
A dog is some work, but not a terrible amount of work. They keep you active, they mess with you, they even play mind games to a point. They're fun to be around but there's people that will seriously get a dog, tie it up out back to a dog house, and never interact with it, and it's lucky to be fed once a day. Why on Earth are they doing this? It's just purposely giving an animal a miserable life. Why would they do this? They get nothing out of the animal, it costs them to feed it, and they don't even enjoy interacting with it. You'd be AGHAST at how many people like this exist. What the fuck is wrong with people? Are they just sadists?
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WookieMan
2023 Feb 28, 4:54am
WookieMan
2023 Feb 28, 4:54am
richwicks says
I've had 5.... They are an accessory. 100% useless if they're not used for hunting and other tasks. That's not debatable. That's fact. There's a very limited segment of people that "needs" a dog. Hunting, service dog, dog sledding maybe and I'm not sure what else. We don't need drug dogs, that could be changed with laws.
We've created breeds that were never needed. A pit bull serves no purpose. I miss my dogs, but no one is understanding my point. Dogs are 99% not needed outside of service to their owner to survive or help gather food. 99% of owners get them as a toy essentially. You all know this too. Makes you feel good. No one is getting my point, but whatever. I hate cats fyi. So I'm not dog biased.
All pets are generally a resource drain if they don't work for the owner. Adopt a kid if you need to fill a void in your life. I'm done with pets unless I'm a senile old man at some point, am solo and want a companion. Dogs are toys for most owners.
WookieMan - if you you don't like dogs, don't get a dog
I've had 5.... They are an accessory. 100% useless if they're not used for hunting and other tasks. That's not debatable. That's fact. There's a very limited segment of people that "needs" a dog. Hunting, service dog, dog sledding maybe and I'm not sure what else. We don't need drug dogs, that could be changed with laws.
We've created breeds that were never needed. A pit bull serves no purpose. I miss my dogs, but no one is understanding my point. Dogs are 99% not needed outside of service to their owner to survive or help gather food. 99% of owners get them as a toy essentially. You all know this too. Makes you feel good. No one is getting my point, but whatever. I hate cats fyi. So I'm not dog biased.
All pets are generally a resource drain if they don't work for the owner. Adopt a kid if you need to fill a void in your life. I'm done with pets unless I'm a senile old man at some point, am solo and want a companion. Dogs are toys for most owners.
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richwicks
2023 Feb 28, 10:33am
richwicks
2023 Feb 28, 10:33am
WookieMan says
Then, this just reinforces my opinion that you're a terrible, completely objectionable person.
IF you're being serious, and not just trolling to be "the biggest jerk in the world", which I consider a possibility, you have SERIOUS problems.
richwicks says
WookieMan - if you you don't like dogs, don't get a dog
I've had 5.... They are an accessory. 100% useless
Then, this just reinforces my opinion that you're a terrible, completely objectionable person.
IF you're being serious, and not just trolling to be "the biggest jerk in the world", which I consider a possibility, you have SERIOUS problems.
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RWSGFY
2023 Feb 28, 4:45pm
RWSGFY
2023 Feb 28, 4:45pm
WookieMan says
Most of things in life are unnecessary and a resource drain. Yes, this includes kids. And travel to some tropical shithokes for a beach vacation. And big powerful cars. And giant houses we tend to buy. So what? We still do it.
richwicks says
WookieMan - if you you don't like dogs, don't get a dog
I've had 5.... They are an accessory. 100% useless if they're not used for hunting and other tasks. That's not debatable. That's fact. There's a very limited segment of people that "needs" a dog. Hunting, service dog, dog sledding maybe and I'm not sure what else. We don't need drug dogs, that could be changed with laws.
We've created breeds that were never needed. A pit bull serves no purpose. I miss my dogs, but no one is understanding my point. Dogs are 99% not needed outside of service to their owner to survive or help gather food. 99% of owners get them as a toy essentially. You all know this too. Makes you feel good. No one is getting my point, but whatever. I hate cats fyi. So I'm not dog biased.
All pets are generally a resource drain if they don't work for the owner. Adopt a kid if ...
Most of things in life are unnecessary and a resource drain. Yes, this includes kids. And travel to some tropical shithokes for a beach vacation. And big powerful cars. And giant houses we tend to buy. So what? We still do it.
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I sick of this bullshit that Pitbulls are great, loving dogs. This fucking bread needs to be exterminated and I'm here to document how many people these little bastards kill and maim.