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I honestly believe anyone that owns them, are low IQ. Even people I respected but then found out they have a pit bull. I think of them and their judgement differently after knowing that they own one or worse two. If you are out the in the rural country then I say own ten I don't care, they have no business in an urban environment. They are Hog Hunting dogs and nothing more, they are not agile attentive Pets. They can play one, until they aren't.
Every dog will or could bite you. The difference is Pit Bulls, and a few other breeds don't just bite, they kill. If I'm bit by someone's Doberman, German Sheppard, or Husky, Lab and it happened because the dogs were protecting their property and owner, or at least thought they were. I wouldn't even make an issue out of it. Unless the dogs got lose and formed a rogue pack, that would be different and dangerous. As most all domestic dogs that form wild packs, will become aggressive enough to kill humans, but they do so as a pack. They are easy to detect and put an end to . But Pit bulls don't even need a pack to get the killer instinct, it's baked into the purpose and how they bite to start with, they are a time bomb and sometimes you don't even know when they will strike.

Also I trust this Bit Bull



More than this one



These are the ones that no one suspects, not even the owner. These are the ones the Owners say, "Wow he's never bitten anyone before..."

Where as the one above has never bitten anyone before, because nobody has ever gotten close enough to find out.

more reasons to carry a gun, some pitbulls have 4 legs, some have 2, gun solves all if them.

Seriously, fuck these dogs and their owners

BayArea says

Seriously, fuck these dogs and their owners

I beg to differ. I’d say the problem is their owners. Dogs are dogs, but they can be trained. These dogs didn’t get to choose to be born into this breed.

And I agree pitbull dog owners, in general, tend to be low IQ folks based on my observation.

Dholliday126 says

I sick of this bullshit that Pitbulls are great, loving dogs. This fucking bread needs to be exterminated and I'm here to document how many people these little bastards kill and maim.

I've never owned a pit but I've known and met a lot of them. Every one of them I've met was a nice dog. They're powerful, they don't HAVE to be nice, but they were always nice. They love attention.

The most common dog bite doesn't come for pits, it comes from Labradors, simply because they are more popular dogs.

A pit can beat the shit out of you, but so can a malamute, a rottweiler, and even a bull terrier. I don't believe "I always treated my dog nice, I don't know WHAT happened!!!"

I did dog fostering and rescue for years. I had a dog that had his JAW broken by some asshole. He bit me, and I deserved it, it's a long story, but I really did deserve it. That poor animal went though a TON of shit before I got him and I pushed him too hard - he had to be combed out, he was terrified of me, I thought I could control him anyhow, he was a lot more flexible than I thought any Samoyed could be. I was also bitten by another dog, and I did not deserve that. She was unpredictable and dangerous, and had gone through 2 other foster homes before she came to mine. I really really thought I could turn any dog around, I gave up on her after 2 years of work, and euthanized her. Some dogs, might just be bad, but it's not common.

Think of dogs as like a gun. It's not the gun's fault it hurt somebody, it's the person that owns the gun that is at fault. Prosecute them. If my dog mauled you, my entire net worth is at stake. If my dog killed a child, I'd immediately euthanize the dog, then I would blow my brains out.

They are Banned in Britain, where they were originally bred. Just neuter them all and let the breed die. You can keep your "loving pet" until they pass away.

Also, equal punishment for owners in ALL cases. If the dog assaults, batters, maims, or murders, the Owners(s) are tried for the crime. First Degree Murder, since you knew the breed was dangerous.

rocketjoe79 says

They are Banned in Britain, where they were originally bred. Just neuter them all and let the breed die. You can keep your "loving pet" until they pass away.

Also, equal punishment for owners in ALL cases. If the dog assaults, batters, maims, or murders, the Owners(s) are tried for the crime. First Degree Murder, since you knew the breed was dangerous.

Fine. That's the way it OUGHT to be with ALL pets.

Eugenics was gaining momentum in the 30's before Hitler. Seems it's beliefs still find strange homes, abortion clinics, and patnet dog threads.

My brother-in-law breeds American Bully's. The one he's kept for his pet is the sweetest dog I've ever known. The dog sleeps in their bed at night, in a house with two small children. Nothing has ever happened. He's been around my youngest many times without worry.

Let me contrast this with another dog. My Wife's Aunt has a type of Husky she took over care of from her step-daughter. Step daughter is not very responsible, and dog is not trained. We noticed around our youngest the dog got almost whiny, and made motions that got my wife really uncomfortable. One day we were over with relatives, and the older girls(10-11), where playing in the house. The dog jump on the 10 year old, and put it's mouth around her head. Needless to say none of us will bring our kids back unless she locks the dog up, which she won't do.

Genetics 0, training 1.

NuttBoxer says

Eugenics was gaining momentum in the 30's before Hitler. Seems it's beliefs still find strange homes, abortion clinics, and patnet dog threads.

My brother-in-law breeds American Bully's. The one he's kept for his pet is the sweetest dog I've ever known. The dog sleeps in their bed at night, in a house with two small children. Nothing has ever happened. He's been around my youngest many times without worry.

Let me contrast this with another dog. My Wife's Aunt has a type of Husky she took over care of from her step-daughter. Step daughter is not very responsible, and dog is not trained. We noticed around our youngest the dog got almost whiny, and made motions that got my wife really uncomfortable. One day we were over with relatives, and the older girls(10-11), where playing in the house. The dog jump on the 10 year old, and put it's mouth around her head. Needless to say none of us will bring our kids back unless she locks the dog up, which she won't do.<...

It's not about Eugenics, pitbulls were bred and trained to be aggressive and kill. Sure good training can create very sweet dogs and prevent most attacks, but not all. Fine if people own them, but they have to have control of them at all times, you cannot let them off leash in public unless it's a designated dog park. German Shepherds should follow the same rules, though they usually don't kill or severely maim even if aggressive. Also agreed on Labradors, they are often close to as,dangerous as pitbulls if not trained or ill trained, same for boxers. Personally I would not let any large dog close to babies or smaller kids. I've went on enough runs in SF only to see runners attacked by some jackass aggressive mutt almost as heavy as its owner lady, and a few times she hit the pavement from its strength and lost control briefly. If this happens anybody should be free to shoot the dog. It's sad for the dog since it's the owners fault, but that doesn't help the victims.

mell says

It's not about Eugenics, pitbulls were bred and trained to be aggressive and kill. Sure good training can create very sweet dogs and prevent most attacks, but not all. Fine if people own them, but they have to have control of them at all times, you cannot let them off leash in public unless it's a designated dog park.

No...

I never had my dogs on leash, ever - unless it was for their safety, like walking down a very busy highway.

It's just kind of cruel to always have them on leash. If my dog harmed somebody, I realized I was FULLY responsible for the consequences.

This is how I trained my dogs to be off leash. First, they better listen to me in my home. Next, something enclosed like a tennis court, next, a park, next, an empty road, sometimes like 1:00 in the morning. Next a slightly more busy road.

If my dogs ignored me, they went on leash as punishment. I used the leash AS PUNISHMENT. If they still didn't listen to me on leash, I picked them up, and they HATED that, carried them in my arms, upside down, and did it for blocks as they squirmed to be let down.

You don't have to be mean or cruel, but you have to be 100% absolutely consistent with punishment, and you have to escalate it if initial punishment doesn't work. Punishment is just doing what they hate.

My dogs were EXCELLENT off leash. I could walk them through crowds, no problem. People would sometimes complain, I would just leave the area, I didn't want to deal with it. I know some people are afraid of dogs, fine, I'll leave but don't force everybody to confirm to your desires. For example, just because you claim you're a woman even though you have testicles, all of society shouldn't have to deal with YOUR mind YOUR desires. You're in the minority. Realize that.

There are some HORRIBLE dog owners out there, I know very well - but most people that have a pet, they have pet because they like the pet. The only people that have a pet that they don't like, are insane. It's not like a kid, if you have a dog you hate, you can get rid of it.

If you have a pet you don't like, even love, why? What are you, some sort of lunatic sadist or masochist? The whole purpose of having a pet is to spoil it and give it a happy life. Part of that is giving the dog as much freedom as you can, without endangering it. My dogs could literally do anything they wished, EXCEPT crap and pee in my place, or show violence. Anything else, they could do.

Well, I wouldn't let them eat random crap off the ground.

FortwayeAsFuckJoeBiden says

more reasons to carry a gun, some pitbulls have 4 legs, some have 2, gun solves all if them.

You don't get it. Dogs are bred for purposes. There is a breed that was purposely bred for aggression and killing skills (I can't remember the breed but Pitbulls are very similar since they are the most used breeds for fighting). They had all dogs fight, loser is dispatched. Only winners that KILLED the other dog was allowed to breed. Don't be naive.

A friend has adopted two pit bulls. He has kind of a Napoleonic complex, I guess. His mom is not even five feet tall, so he inherited the short genes. He overcompensates by pumping iron and so he is a short guy with a disproportionately massive upper body. His parents are amiable schlubs. In spite of, or likely because of, having a poly sci degree, his dad works as a mailman. His mom was the quintessential lunch lady. No college. No ambition, just to be a mom. He hates Jews as he went to a high school with wealthy Jewish kids who made his life miserable, being the son of the lunch lady, as he tells it.

Anyway, I got to know his dad a bit. His dad's father worked two jobs so his son, the dad, could attend a college 20 minutes from his home, but yet he had to live off campus, wouldn't commute. His working class parents paid the entire way. When I expressed surprise that his dad would hump such a load, he said that is what dads do. Did he do it? Hell no! His kids lived at home and took out student loans. Go figure.

When and where were these dogs breed to kill?

Pit bulls suck.
There are worse dogs who are similar: bull mastiff.
Those kill people not just dogs.
People are crazy and think their scary dogs are cool or something.

I don't ever hear about golden retrieves killing people. Pitbulls are the dindu of the dog world.

richwicks says

mell says

It's not about Eugenics, pitbulls were bred and trained to be aggressive and kill. Sure good training can create very sweet dogs and prevent most attacks, but not all. Fine if people own them, but they have to have control of them at all times, you cannot let them off leash in public unless it's a designated dog park.

No...

I never had my dogs on leash, ever - unless it was for their safety, like walking down a very busy highway.

It's just kind of cruel to always have them on leash. If my dog harmed somebody, I realized I was FULLY responsible for the consequences.

This is how I trained my dogs to be off leash. First, they better listen to me in my home. Next, something enclosed like a tennis court, next, a park, next, an empty road, sometimes like 1:00 in the morning. Next a slightly more busy road.

If my dogs ignored me, they went ...

A leash is not a punishment for dogs, they still enjoy being out, even if they would likely rather chase after everything interesting they see and cause chaos. You can let them off leash in the dog park or the woods, or your ranch. If they are small enough and don't cause trouble,.i.e. well trained, you can get away with off leash in the public as people will usually be fine with it. You can even ride your bike or run with them on a leash and they love it. Let's not create myths here

If you live in a community that has an on leash law, then don't be an inconsiderate oaf, and keep your dog on leash. If you don't like it, then move or change the law.

My elderly neighbor fears off leash dogs. She was knocked down by poorly controlled leashed dogs, and sustained a head injury. Folks with leashed dogs don't want to encounter off leash dogs. And the owners are like - well, my dog is special, he doesn't have to be on leash. These people are total assholes. They are forcing people who don't want to encounter off leash dogs to change their path, to go out of their way, just so the moron can disobey the law cause he and his dog is "special." They are not. The owners are assholes.

RC2006 says

I don't ever hear about golden retrieves killing people. Pitbulls are the dindu of the dog world.

You never hear about cops killing unarmed white people either. You never hear about black on black crime, either. You never hear about Jewish hate crime hoaxes either.

The media conjured up the BS about "pitbulls are SUPER dangerous" in the 1990's. I fucking hate the "news" media. They do not reflect reality at all.

Dobermans are supposed to be dangerous too. Every one I met just want to be pet. If a labrador attacks a kid, you're not going to read about it in the "news" papers, but if a pit does it, it's national news. IF you hear about a labrador attacking a kid, they "news" papers will call it a pitbull, and show you you a stock picture of one.

mell says

A leash is not a punishment for dogs, they still enjoy being out, even if they would likely rather chase after everything interesting they see and cause chaos.

I grew up in an environment that was extremely remote. As a kid we'd let out the dogs in the morning, and in the afternoon they would come back for food. We lived about 1/2 mile off from the road, and at the top of a tall hill - which sucked when returning from publik skool. We had one dog that the SECOND you put a leash on him, he would start gagging like he was chocking even though he always had a collar on, it was ABSOLUTELY punishment for him to have a leash on.

I wasn't certain it was even moral to have a dog in an urban area, and I'm really in the suburbs. I started doing fostering with the intention of never owning a dog, but I could sort of have one in a way. I ended up adopting my two dogs because basically they were all messed up and wouldn't do well with anybody other than me, I could deal with their quirks, and they were fine dogs. It was a good decision for both them and me. I quit fostering when they got old and feeble, then I just quit dogs altogether when I had to put them down. I'm not going through that again.

BayArea says

When and where were these dogs breed to kill?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dog_fighting#Breed_origins

In recent times, they were bred for fighting perhaps. But originally they were bred to crawl down in a hold get a hold of a Hog and drag him out. While another grabs the Hogs neck so it can't turn around and slice the dog pulling him out, in half. But for what ever reason, these dogs were bred to be brutes, they are not doggie bed dogs by the fireplace type of breeds

rocketjoe79 says

BayArea says

When and where were these dogs breed to kill?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dog_fighting#Breed_origins

@rocketjoe79 "Pitbull" does not appear in that article.

Pitbull is consistently listed as one of the most dangerous dogs. Banned in several countries and several counties throughout the US. They're right up there with Dogo Argentinos, Presa Canarios, Caucasian Shepards, Kangals and Cane Corsos.

GNL says

Pitbull is consistently listed as one of the most dangerous dogs.

Also, sars-cov2-19 is listed as a "pandemic".

When are people going to realize what our media is? It's just bullshit.

You'd have to know the number of dogs, of each type that exist, and use that to figure out the probability of an attack of each breed. That's never been done.

rocketjoe79 says

They are Banned in Britain, where they were originally bred.

If you say so.

A Londoner friend of mine had a "Pit Bull mix" that looked very much like a Pit Bull. He was very sweet and not aggressive.

Because it's about the humans, kind of like Guns Don't Kill People. She had to have him put down recently at age 17 because the poor old boy was fading away with dementia.

GNL says

Pitbull is consistently listed as one of the most dangerous dogs.

Yes, just like guns are the most dangerous weapons. In the hands of dangerous people.

richwicks says

GNL says

Pitbull is consistently listed as one of the most dangerous dogs.

Also, sars-cov2-19 is listed as a "pandemic".

When are people going to realize what our media is? It's just bullshit.

You'd have to know the number of dogs, of each type that exist, and use that to figure out the probability of an attack of each breed. That's never been done.

Why are they one of the most banned breeds in throughout the world?

GNL says

richwicks says

GNL says

Pitbull is consistently listed as one of the most dangerous dogs.

Also, sars-cov2-19 is listed as a "pandemic".

When are people going to realize what our media is? It's just bullshit.

You'd have to know the number of dogs, of each type that exist, and use that to figure out the probability of an attack of each breed. That's never been done.

Why are they one of the most banned breeds in throughout the world?

And why most of home insurance companies deny coverage if pitbull is living in the house? They must be delusional and don't want people's dollars...

GNL says

Why are they one of the most banned breeds in throughout the world?

Are they, or have you just heard this from the same people that were telling us that the vaccines are safe and effective and Hussein had a secret weapons of mass destruction program?

Maybe they are the most banned breed in the world, because the "authorities" listen to these liars. I don't know.

Basically people should be 100% responsible for their pets.

When pitbulls got a "reputation" a bunch of thug assholes got them.

Anyone who owns a Pitt is suspect automatically. Suspect of being a thug or wanna be thug. Suspect of being a druggie and a dumbass. Or just embracing that culture.
My brother accepted a Pitbull from a “friend” and man was that dog iffy. It seemed manic at times and other times seemed like it was “trying” to be good and not bite people or kids. He treated it well and everything and eventually gave it to my mom. She kept the dog until it died of natural causes, which honestly wasn’t that long. I never could trust that dog and I consider myself a dog person. I’m good at reading their body language and making friends with other peoples’ dogs. I can also train them pretty easily. It’s just persistence and incremental steps. You have to start rewarding them for behavior you want even if they aren’t choosing to do that behavior. Eventually they figure out why you’re giving them small treats and they make the connection and then it gets easy. Most dogs want to please their owners, so it’s just about getting them to understand what you want.

My neighbors moved here from Las Vegas in 2016--she's 60 and a retired teacher and he's 59, worked security for Harrah's and is on the security force at Baylor, their second marriage. They adopted a rescued Pit Bull bitch which was pregnant and abandoned at the time. We've gotten to be good friends and I'm over at their house quite often. Cocoa is a big dog but sweet as she can be and loves to come up and nuzzle you. They keep her in the other part of the house when they have company, but I always wonder about the potential danger lurking in her. They board her when they take a trip and she has already been banned from one kennel because she attacked another dog. Lisa's husband works the night shift down at the campus so she likes the dog's company, but I always wonder if in a moment's notice Cocoa could snap--she's a large dog and could easily overpower Lisa. If they wanted to adopt, I don't know why they didn't just get a normal breed like a Cocker Spaniel or Collie.

GNL says

FortwayeAsFuckJoeBiden says

more reasons to carry a gun, some pitbulls have 4 legs, some have 2, gun solves all if them.

You don't get it. Dogs are bred for purposes. There is a breed that was purposely bred for aggression and killing skills (I can't remember the breed but Pitbulls are very similar since they are the most used breeds for fighting). They had all dogs fight, loser is dispatched. Only winners that KILLED the other dog was allowed to breed. Don't be naive.

im well aware. its why i carry a gun. no safety on, ready to fire.

I have two Pit Bull stories, one from about 6yrs ago and one from two years ago.

#1 - a neighbor was walking his small dog, on a leash, down our street while listening to headphones. A Pit Bull owned by someone in an adjacent neighborhood got free from their backyard and came up behind them. By the time my neighbor looked down, the Pitt Bull already had a clench on the small dog. The neighbor tried his best to fight off the Pitt Bull during the dramatic scene but it was too late. His dog was dead soon after the scene started.

For reasons I can’t understand to this day, the neighbor never pressed charges.

#2 - a few neighborhoods over, a homeowner had their front door open and screen door secured during a warm summer day. His small dog would frequently stand in front of the screen door and watch/bark as pedestrians walked by and cars drove by. He hears commission downstairs and rushes down to see what’s happening. There’s blood in his living room and a Pitt Bull attacking his dog in his own living room. He sees that the screen door has been charged through with broken netting and structural damage. His dog didn’t survive.

Both incidents happened here in the Bay Area. Horrific, both haunt me given they happened so close to home.

I can’t look at Pitt Bulls or their owners the same.

BayArea says

Both incidents happened here in the Bay Area. Horrific, both haunt me given they happened right here.

If a dog killed one of my dogs, I would certainly make certain that dog died, probably by my own hands, but certainly would have died. Maybe the owner too.

The second a dog kills another dog, or even a cat - fuck 'em.

I've had dogs that were aggressive toward cats, sometimes small dogs. When I had dogs in foster like that, they weren't allowed off leash, and if they managed to get off leash, I would hunt them down. One dog broke free, and the damned thing regretted it when I got him. He broke a damned clasp on the leash. Last time I bought a cheap leash.

Precisely because I don't live in a Disney cartoon, I understand what pitbulls are for. They are territorial defense WEAPONS. Can you raise them to be "loving and sweet?" Sure, I've met pitbull hospital dogs that were very nice but that ultimately isn't their purpose. They don't exist to cuddle with your kids in bed or play fetch, they exist to aid in the protection of your home and property.

The people that want to ban pitbulls are the same people that want to ban guns. They want you defenseless. It's the same schticks too: "look at these defenseless kids getting mauled so ban pitbulls" is the same as "these kids were shot and killed so ban guns." Stop perceiving pitbulls as being the same as other breeds. Your companionship is not what they were bred for. It reminds me of the people that act utterly surprised when men wearing wigs in ladies' bathrooms turn out to be sexual predators.

You must all feel very safe to believe that it's a good idea to give up any modicum of your ability to defend yourself with a psychopathic government breathing down your neck. I guess all those people rotting in jail for entering a public building isn't enough to wise people up yet.

That’s completely wrong.

I’m pro-gun and against Pitt Bulls. I don’t want Pitt Bull owners to be defenseless.

I just don’t want them owning live defense with a brain of it’s own that’s been bred to kill.

My gun isn’t going to jump out of my holster, chase a child down, and kill them.

BayArea says

That’s completely wrong.

I’m pro-gun and against Pitt Bulls. I don’t want Pitt Bull owners to be defenseless.

I just don’t want them owning live defense with a brain of it’s own that’s been bred to kill and has awful statistics in our society.

Please, be my guest. Continue to give up rights to a government that hates you. Keep living in fear of potential hypothetical outcomes instead of the very real fact that you're ruled by psychopaths. History? Basically 100% of the time since the start of government, they've turned against their own citizens violently. They always start with taking animals and weapons away, too. Just look at when the CCP rose, they made sure to kill farmers' dogs under the similar guise of "pandemic fighting."

You want to ban a breed of dog because an idiot owner didn't know what he was doing? You're literally consumed with the same madness gun control nuts are.

Life comes with risk, doesn't it? What is the most ageless risk than possibly being mauled by an animal? How about people? There are people with such underdeveloped frontal cortexes that they might as well be animals, with no ability to think abstractly. Some of them even snap and cause violence. They surround you daily too, it's not a rare thing. I guess we should just ban all people too, right?

We should have all learned this in the past few years: your personal fears and traumas should not dictate society's freedom.