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NuttBoxer says

Even if standards improved, I don't think the materials produced with these chemicals justify the risk.

Do you shit in a toilet? Whether you like it or not, these chemicals are a necessity. We should have a network of below frost line pipelines throughout the country. Underground "railway" of 12-48" pipes for different materials. Have shut off valves every X miles for each line. Worst case in a break is water supply which is tested frequently per EPA guidelines.

If this burst in the ground we likely wouldn't even hear about it. It could be mitigated much faster. Accidents will always happen. This shit being on the ground and burned is literally the worst case scenario. Leftist need to get over their pipeline problem.

We've created canals all over the country for large quantities of water. This shouldn't be a difficult task. You can boat from Chicago down the Mississippi and only hit open water on the gulf of Mexico and get back to Chicago. Probably 1/5th of it dealing with locks and dams. Yet we can't dig a 6' trench between major cities/hubs and bury pipes for gas, oil, and other chemicals?

Add on, Warren Buffet and BNSF are probably the biggest issue with pipe lines. It would likely chop off 30-40% of BNSF's gross income. Buffet wouldn't like that.

https://beckernews.com/moments-after-trump-49369/

Just Moments After Trump Declares Trip to East Palestine, FEMA Announces Reversal on Ohio Disaster Aid

https://www.theepochtimes.com/major-us-city-closing-down-ohio-river-intake-after-train-derailment_5066504.html?utm_source=share-btn-copylink

The City of Cincinnati announced on Friday that it will shut down its Ohio River intake to prevent any possible contamination from the East Palestine, Ohio, train derailment earlier this month.

The city, in a statement, said that it and the Greater Cincinnati Water Works (GCWW) are monitoring the Ohio River, one of the largest rivers in the United States, after the chemical spill in East Palestine. Earlier this week, an Ohio environmental official confirmed that a plume of chemicals was observed traveling down the Ohio River, and at the time, it was located near Huntington, West Virginia.

Patrick says

The city, in a statement, said that it and the Greater Cincinnati Water Works (GCWW) are monitoring the Ohio River, one of the largest rivers in the United States, after the chemical spill in East Palestine.

The river is fucked. Ohio is a shit hole anyway. Home of the most river fires: https://www.smithsonianmag.com/history/cuyahoga-river-caught-fire-least-dozen-times-no-one-cared-until-1969-180972444/

Their fucking roads/tolls can eat shit along with Indiana. We have IL tolls, but they actually take care of the roads. 39/90 North into Wisconsin is much improved. Indiana and Ohio are shit shows. Roughly $20 to cross each state. It's why we fly to Cleveland to see family there. Literally cheaper. Airport is on the way too. Takes a similar time, but I prefer to chill and not fuck up my back on either states roads. Did I say shit holes?

https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2023/02/17/bidens-own-administration-calls-pete-buttigiegs-claims-on-east-palestine-train-misinformation/

https://thefederalist.com/2023/02/17/why-is-pete-buttigieg-allowed-to-keep-failing-upward/

A Vice President Buttigieg, having only an unremarkable tenure as mayor of South Bend and a terrible tenure at the Department of Transportation to his name, would be one medical event away from the nation’s top office.

Buggigieg's sole "qualification" is being gay. The Cult attributes moral superiority to gay men.

https://patrick.net/post/1378576/2023-02-17-the-cult

RWSGFY says

I don't think it's possible to set up and succesfully execute a railroad-wide conspiracy to keep one particular train car out of regular maintenance and then put it in a right place at a right time.

No one said that, this is routine maintenance neglected for all cars according to railway worker. So they wouldn't have to look far for a candidate.

RWSGFY says

Kill some chickens in 10 mile (OK, I'll be generous - 100 mile) circle around a small town in Ohio and thus force the whole world to "eat ze bugz"

People have reported pollution outside of the state, more than 100 miles away. Read up on the Ohio River, and river valley, and the farming in that area. Millions of people's food and drinking water is poisoned for decades to come. The small farm is more important to our survival than almost anything else. And it's been disappearing since the Industrial Repollution.

RWSGFY says

There must be more efficient means to reach that end methinks.

Like a shot they force you to inject? But like I said, don't under-estimate the damage this does to an already strained food industry.

If you don't connect the dots and see the bigger picture of the enemy who's attacking you, you will continue to fall into his traps.

Bd6r says

Appears to be completely fake:

https://www.cdc.gov/niosh/npg/npgd0658.html

That section doesn't appear to reference the same information. It's pretty easy to see with a web search that in January they modified Vinyl Chloride.
https://old.reddittorjg6rue252oqsxryoxengawnmo46qy4kyii5wtqnwfj4ooad.onion/r/conspiracy/comments/113d47o/why_did_the_cdc_update_their_profile_for_vinyl/j8qt4yp/
https://web.archive.org/web/20230206190743/https://wwwn.cdc.gov/TSP/ToxFAQs/ToxFAQsDetails.aspx?faqid=281&toxid=51
https://www.atsdr.cdc.gov/toxprofiles/tp20.pdf

WookieMan says

Do you shit in a toilet? Whether you like it or not, these chemicals are a necessity.

Explain human survival for thousands of years without them. Composting toilets are more efficient, and environmentally friendly. Although their wrong about this being the biggest environmental disaster in the US. That's DuPont...

I would want to test the water and soil in East Palestine and surrounding areas. Trace that to the death of the animals (chickens, fish, etc.).

I read the MSDS and it states this: "Ensure emergency procedures to deal with accidental gas releases are in place to avoid contamination of the environment. Inform the relevant authorities if the product has caused environmental pollution (sewers, waterways, soil or air)."

Also the MSDS states to wear a respirator when responding to spills and when working with this gas in poorly ventilated spaces.

Vinyl chloride is given a rating of 2 on a health scale of 0 (no health risk) to 4 (deadly) within the MSDS.

Source:
https://www.airgas.com/msds/001067.pdf

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WookieMan says

NuttBoxer says

If this burst in the ground we likely wouldn't even hear about it.

Unless you are underneath the water table any leaks would eventually find their way in the ground water. Double confinement with leak detection (24 in pipe inside 36 in pipe) would mitigate that risk.

Can it be done.. yes? Is it economical? Hasn't been historically. But if the green crew really wants to improve things for future generations... your idea has merit. Plus it would create jobs here in America.

Win. Win.

Patrick says

The real boss move would be to chestfeed on live TV - that'd shut up everybody for good.

NuttBoxer says

That section doesn't appear to reference the same information. It's pretty easy to see with a web search that in January they modified Vinyl Chloride.
https://old.reddittorjg6rue252oqsxryoxengawnmo46qy4kyii5wtqnwfj4ooad.onion/r/conspiracy/comments/113d47o/why_did_the_cdc_update_their_profile_for_vinyl/j8qt4yp/
https://web.archive.org/web/20230206190743/https://wwwn.cdc.gov/TSP/ToxFAQs/ToxFAQsDetails.aspx?faqid=281&toxid=51
https://www.atsdr.cdc.gov/toxprofiles/tp20.pdf

I can't find anywhere that they changed lethal exposure from 100 ppm to 100,000 ppm. I think this type of fake information is inserted to deboooonk other, serious claims. "This board claimed that they changed lethal exposure, which is wrong - it means that other 100 documented things must also be wrong".

Bd6r says

I can't find anywhere that they changed lethal exposure from 100 ppm to 100,000 ppm.

On that part same. The only time 100k comes up is in exposure for rats and mice studies. The important part here is they did edit it after a long time of no change, right before Vinyl Chloride was released at levels never before seen.

The MSDS for vinyl chloride lists the exposure limits as follows

5 PPM for 15 minutes

1 PPM for 8 hours

Source:
https://www.airgas.com/msds/001067.pdf

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Bd6r says

I can't find anywhere that they changed lethal exposure from 100 ppm to 100,000 ppm. I think this type of fake information is inserted to deboooonk other, serious claims.

Yes, that's what it's exactly.

It's tempting to think this is just an honest mistake, or some asshole is just trolling. That's POSSIBLE.

But it's more likely intelligence. This is called kookification. This propaganda method is to feed people who are on the right track of some government malfeasance, and to get them to repeat something so anybody listening to them stops listening to them, when they repeat something false about an event.

9/11 was most likely done by our government, by if you talk about it, there's so much BULLSHIT that is out there, that you seem like a nut if you bring it up. That's what Judy Woods is for. She claims the buildings were destroyed by "directed energy weapons". She's got credentials, but she's a fucking intelligence asset. She's full of shit, and that's her job, to be full of shit to cover up for gross criminality in our government.

https://notthebee.com/article/this-viral-train-track-isnt-in-the-3rd-world-this-is-ohio

I'm beginning to understand why that train derailed in East Palestine. Watch 👇

WTF?

GNL says

WTF?

Shutup!

We need to spend more fucking money on WAR!!!!

At one point, I was anti-war because of morality. Now I'm anti-war for the survival of our fucking nation.

richwicks says

GNL says

WTF?

Shutup!

We need to spend more fucking money on WAR!!!!

At one point, I was anti-war because of morality. Now I'm anti-war for the survival of our fucking nation.

Remind me not to live near any railroads.

Define near…

https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2023/02/18/exclusive-ohio-sen-michael-rulli-im-begging-you-not-to-drink-the-water-in-east-palestine-it-is-not-safe/

Have they already stopped PA Amish, et al, from selling their products?

Patrick says

https://notthebee.com/article/this-viral-train-track-isnt-in-the-3rd-world-this-is-ohio

I'm beginning to understand why that train derailed in East Palestine. Watch 👇

Jesus christ, you guys do know this isn't real, right? That is clear and obvious video editing. That's an absolute impossibility if you've walked tracks. 100%. They took an image of an old rail line and superimposed the train on it. A good video editor could do that in 20 minutes. You can see the edits.

I thought not the bee was the one that told truthful info? Babylon was the satire site? Maybe I'm the idiot here and this was satire, but that 100% is not real. Please tell me no one thinks this is real??

WookieMan says

Jesus christ, you guys do know this isn't real, right? That is clear and obvious video editing. That's an absolute impossibility if you've walked tracks. 100%.

I can't see the edits, but I don't have any training for it. Explain it.

I sure hope it's fake. That looks crazy.

richwicks says

WookieMan says

Jesus christ, you guys do know this isn't real, right? That is clear and obvious video editing. That's an absolute impossibility if you've walked tracks. 100%.

I can't see the edits, but I don't have any training for it. Explain it.

I hope this is sarcasm. I appreciate your takes Rich, but seriously? It's a still image with a train superimposed. Easy tell it's fake. First, no nature, no movement of tree limbs. They're blurry, yet the train is clear. They cut if off before the "rough" part where the gauge/width of the track has no possibly of traversing. Also ZERO chance any rail line lets trees grow that close to the tracks let alone multi ton expensive cargo to traverse those tracks.

Just the curves in the rails make it fake. It's an old rail line someone took a photo of and some crafty video editor threw a train on it which is child's play. No train engineer would go through something that looks remotely like that. I don't have a link or proof, but from my educated opinion with some okay video editing and knowledge, it's fake as can be. Watch the trees. There's glitches in the video every 3-5 seconds or so, sometimes shorter.

Rewatched it 10 times now for this comment. 1,000% fake.

WookieMan says

There's glitches in the video every 3-5 seconds or so, sometimes shorter.

Yes, the "jump cuts" are obvious. Also, railroads do constant maintaining of even the stones below the tracks, let alone the rails.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TlSOMfDX-yY

WookieMan says

I hope this is sarcasm. I appreciate your takes Rich, but seriously?

Haha, maybe my eyesight is getting worse but I think you've just not seen the original, but rather a reduced quality copy.

https://twitter.com/JackPosobiec/status/1626356622279819264?ref_src=patrick.net

Tree limbs are clearly moving, and what you think are "cuts" are just MP4 encoding transitions I think.

Who knows if that's in the United States, or if that rail line is often used.

Here, I think this is the same track.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wRWfjEaIHXc&list=PLXB1oy61PghkCYDaukknFx0YV-xW7bnZU&index=26

Trump Jr thinks Pukin ordered the Ohio derailment.

richwicks says

Who knows if that's in the United States, or if that rail line is often used.

Yes, if that is in a 3rd world country, I could certainly believe it. Just look at some roads in 3rd world countries. They can't even maintain those well.