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richwicks says

No, oil is a fungible commodity.

It doesn't matter where it comes from.

But increasing the supply lowers the price, which was my point.

and now this .... leaking gas pipeline between Finland and Estonia may take months to fix

https://www.devdiscourse.com/article/headlines/2622758-repairing-finland-estonia-gas-pipeline-may-take-months-operator-says

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AmericanKulak says

But increasing the supply lowers the price, which was my point.

Supply isn't changed by sanctions, it just re-routes where the energy is delivered. India and China are more than happy to accept Russian energy and if it's a tiny bit cheaper to get from Russia, they just use arbitrage to put it onto the market.

There's this bizarre idea that "Russia needs MONEY" - why? They have resources. What Russia really needs is manufacturing. Their 70 years of communism really mixed them up.

What the US also needs is manufacturing. Without it, we're dependent on places like China to make all our crap. If we get into a scuffle with them, that won't be good.

Colonel Richard Kemp, the former commander of the British military forces in Afghanistan, spoke to Israel National News - Arutz Sheva on Sunday about the Hamas-launched war on Israel in which over 350 people have been murdered so far and stated that Russia's hand can be seen in the attack in addition to the hand of Iran.

The attack began with a coordinated breach of the Gaza border fence at multiple locations accompanied by the firing of thousands of rockets into southern Israel, allowing squads of terrorists to penetrate into Israel and attack numerous communities and cities in southern Israel in the early morning. Israel was caught completely off-guard by the assault, representing a massive intelligence failure.

"I have no doubt that questions about this intelligence failure are being addressed now in the Israeli government," Col. Kemp said of the failure to predict and stop the deadly Hamas onslaught. "I am sure there will be a full inquiry when the current situation is stabilized. Until then we can only speculate. This attack has been called Israel’s 9/11 by some people, or Israel’s Pearl Harbor, both of which were also accompanied by tragic intelligence failure."

He stated that Iran and Russia were behind the attack which was, according to him, "too complex for Gaza terrorists to pull off on their own."

"The specific date was chosen by the Palestinian terrorists to take advantage of the Israeli holiday period, very much like the Yom Kippur War that began around the same time in 1973. But the strategic context is threefold. First, Iran’s hand was behind this attack. They fund, arm, and direct Hamas and Islamic Jihad. Iran is dedicated to the annihilation of the Jewish State as their leaders have repeated again and again.

He explained: "Second, Russia would have also been behind this attack. Moscow and Tehran are close allies who have cooperated over the mass murder of civilians in the Ukraine war, for which Iran has supplied killer drones. Leaders of Islamic Jihad and Hamas have visited Moscow in the last few months meeting senior Russian government officials. Russia’s motivation here is to foment instability in the Middle East to distract US political bandwidth as well as resources away from Ukraine."

"Third, in their pursuit of chaos and Iranian hegemony in the Middle East, both Russia and Iran want to disrupt the normalization negotiations between Saudi Arabia and Israel," he said. "It is hard to assess the impact this will have [on the negotiations with Saudi Arabia], but it will certainly complicate negotiations and may even lead to their temporary abandonment."

To the question of how Israel should respond to such a brazen and deadly attack, he responded that "the laws of war on proportionality have no bearing on strategic objectives, only on the conduct of operations where civilian life might be endangered. Israel is well known for its proportionate use of force in defense of its citizens despite the propaganda campaign that suggests otherwise. I think this attack will have changed Israel’s strategic calculus and it will have to inflict unprecedented damage on Hamas’s and Islamic Jihad’s leadership. That may mean a ground operation into Gaza that leads to a long or medium-term military presence on the ground. I think the immediate goal will be to destroy Hamas and Islamic Jihad as viable terrorist bodies."

"As to the hostages, this is perhaps the most difficult challenge Israel faces. Rescuing large numbers of people no doubt dispersed in secure locations around Gaza may well be impossible but I have no doubt the Israeli government, intelligence, and IDF will make every conceivable effort to do so. Perhaps the best hope would be international pressure on the terrorists but these hostages are a prize they will be most unwilling to give up," he said.

"The West must recognize Iran’s and Russia’s hand in this. The US in particular should stop appeasing Iran. Western governments should treat Hamas and Islamic Jihad as their enemies and support Israel in its efforts to destroy them as well as applying their own punitive action against them. Western leaders should speak loudly in support of Israeli military defensive action now and for the long term, working to counter the anti-Israel narrative that will be boosted by Israel’s necessary actions to defend its population, Col. Kemp concluded.

I think of Col Kemp and remember the Troubles.

100s of people, mostly Catholic, disappeared shot in the head into the Bogs - often on false claims of informing by the PIRA. European Court of Human Rights couldn't give a shit, won't have a hearing on it.

IRA man caught with Semtex in his car trunk, taken to the H-Block and made to stand in a chilly corner in his underpants for a few hours until he talks a few times, oh Britain is so vile and evil, 20 demerits from the ECHR!

Why? Who did what. Those damned evil British or those cute little rascals in the PIRA.

Vietnam another great example. US horrible for an unguided rocket maiming a civilian, VC fine for torturing a suspected tout for days before killing him slowly and painfully with 1000 cuts.

Euroleftoids, "Antiwar" types, and "Pacifists" are usually quite biased.

richwicks says

Yep, totally correct, but if light sweet crude gets too expensive, we'll just move to another grade.

Yeah. The bitch is that it costs a lot in both $$$$ and downtime to refurbish/retool a refinery to do that. Esp with the older refineries like we have.

We need new refinery designs that integrate more easier overhauls each time or are just more poly-blend tolerant in general, then bite the bullet to refurbish these old refineries once.

Russian connection is plausible. Beneath the restraint, the Putin faction are boiling mad at the Globalists, and the Globalists pretty much are Israel.

However, the nominal terrorist groups seem to be ronin blocs. Financed by many, the dirty forks that are cleaned and passed around, the double triple and quadruple agents who make a good living in the ether between politics. Useful tools whenever you want to arouse emotions or create an 'anti' or demand or justify an action or retaliation. The useful, willing frenemy always on ready alert with the appropriate assets who will create the clamor and the din when called upon.

Whatever happened in Israel was a 'major state' action with sophisticated resources and major planning aforethought, not a bunch of crazed ragheads smoking hash and opium and throwing themselves on the barbed wire. Question is, to what extent was it an inside job?

PedoIwog says

Yeah. The bitch is that it costs a lot in both $$$$ and downtime to refurbish/retool a refinery to do that. Esp with the older refineries like we have.

Yeah, that's over my head. I know that a major gripe of the Koch brothers is that they USED to get a lot of heavy sour crude from Venezuela and the refineries they were putting it though couldn't be retooled.

Our real hated of Venezuela isn't about the human rights or even economic system there, it's that some billionaires lost their cash cow there.

richwicks says

Yeah, that's over my head. I know that a major gripe of the Koch brothers is that they USED to get a lot of heavy sour crude from Venezuela and the refineries they were putting it though couldn't be retooled.

And Alberta crude. The Keystone Pipeline wasn't just for transporting Abertan heavy sour to Louisiana for export, but mostly to feed into our existing pipelines to our refineries.

socal2 says

FFS - here we go with the conspiracy retardation.

Apparently the thousands of Hamas Jihadis that carried out this sophisticated attack have absolutely no agency and it was all the work of the Joos pulling the strings.

Just how sophisticated are these Bedouins?

The Israel Gaza thing has no business in this thread. Gaza is an open air prison, and has no access to even water with Israel. The only thing we're talking about here is genocide. Don't believe me? Watch any of the many racist videos of Israeli's calling for the extermination of the people in Gaza.

There seems to be a pattern whereby an 'event' leads to war:

The U. S. battleship Maine is blown up in Havana harbor which directly led to the Spanish-American War.

1914, Franz Ferdinand, Archduke of the Austro-Hungarian empire, and his wife were assassinated by a serbian nationalist in Sarajevo. The European media led the frenzy for revenge, which eventually led to the outbreak of WW I, causing the deaths of over 20 million people.

After the USA provoked the island nation of Japan with a crippling embargo, Japan retaliated with attacks on the Pacific Fleet at Pearl Harbor. Hitler, honoring his commitment to the Tripartite Pact, declares war on America within days. Hence, America immediately enters into a two front war in Europe and in the Pacific. All told, WW II, a war that Churchill claimed could have been easily avoided, ends with approximately 60 million dead.

Congress grants LBJ a war powers act (The Gulf of Tonkin Resolution) after an 'attack' on an American naval ship in the Gulf of Tonkin by the North Vietnamese. Beyond all doubt, the attack never happened, yet, America enters the disaster known as the Viet Nam War. 58,000+ American soldiers are killed, countless others wounded both physically and psychologically.
Hundreds of thousands of innocent Viet Nam civilians are also killed.

Operation Desert Storm/Iraq War. The 15 year old daughter of the Kuwait Ambassador to the USA provides fabricated testimony at an off-sight 'Congressional' hearing led by Rep. Tom Lantos, a Holocaust survivor. Posing as Nurse Nayirah, she tearfully claimed that Iraqi soldiers took babies out of their incubators and watched them die on the floor. Rep. Lantos claimed that this was 'the worst crime since the Holocaust.' Pres. George H. W. Bush, knowing full well that this was a complete lie, nevertheless repeated the babies-incubator story numerous times in speeches leading up to the Gulf War.

9/11 attacks led to the USA & Britain attacking two nations that had NOTHING to do with the crime; Iraq & Afghanistan. In order to help justify war, the NeoCon warmongers came up with the 'weapons of mass destruction' lie. The middle east has been in chaos ever since.

Will the Hamas attacks on Israel lead to a major war, involving the USA & Israel against Iran and its allies China & Russia? That's exactly what the warmongering NeoCons want.

Our buddy Benjamin Fulford seems to think that Bibi wants to provoke a Satanic sacrifice of the Gaza residents. He claims to consult with the white hat factions of the Intel agencies.

RayAmerica says

After the USA provoked the island nation of Japan with a crippling embargo, Japan retaliated with attacks the Pacific Fleet at Pearl Harbor.

Nonsense. The US just stopped selling to Japan because Japan was invading and conquering its neighbors.

I believe Gaza will be ethnically cleansed, not like the German Nazis did with death camps, but like the Allies did AFTER WWII including millions of Jews, Germans, Ukrainians, Poles, Hungarians, Indians and Pakistanis.

There is no tenable way that Gaza can continue under its current leadership and death culture.

Arabs in Gaza will be shipped all over the world and Gaza will be raised and rebuilt into bustling beach city in about 10 years.

The Patnet Russian, Islamist and Anti-Semite fan club will call this all "Satanic" - because they either like what they saw Islamist feral animals doing to women and children this past weekend or they still retardedly think this is all CGI and being controlled by the Joos and Globalists.

HeadSet says

Nonsense. The US just stopped selling to Japan because Japan was invading and conquering its neighbors.

From Defense Media Network; an article published February 21, 2011:

The Embargoes That Blocked Japanese Expansion and Led to War

America, first under President Herbert Hoover and then Franklin D. Roosevelt initially responded with diplomatic protests. When they failed to curb Japanese aggression, Roosevelt upped the ante. In 1938, the State Department advised banks at home and abroad not to extend credit to Japanese businesses. In 1939, the United States terminated the 1911 commercial treaty between the United States and Japan. This led to an American embargo initially of airplanes, parts, machine tools, and aviation gasoline. The embargo was expanded in 1940 to include oil, iron and steel scrap, and other commodities. Sharing America’s concerns, Great Britain and the Netherlands joined in the economic embargo.

Japanese leaders had already done the math, and the numbers were ugly. If the situation remained unchanged, Japan faced economic ruin within two years. But for the West to lift the embargo, Japan had to retreat from China and abandon its expansionist policy – a surrender pill too bitter and humiliating for the far right to swallow. On Jan. 23, 1941, Japan sent ambassador Adm. Kichisaburo Nomura, respected in America, to the United States in a final effort to lift the embargo. It was a smoke screen. No one expected his mission to succeed.

Read more here: https://www.defensemedianetwork.com/stories/the-embargoes-that-blocked-japanese-expansion-and-led-to-war/

https://twitter.com/ClownWorld/status/1711381830275141988

Patrick says

https://twitter.com/ClownWorld/status/1711381830275141988

Once again, useful idiots in the West claiming Palestinians have absolutely no agency and are just puppets of the Jews.

Patrick says

I support both Ukraine and Israel against Russian and Islamist aggression. Russia (and the USSR) have a long history of fucking up the Middle East supporting both Marxist and Islamist movements in proxy wars against Israel and the West. FFS - the current leader of the PA (Abbas) got his PHD in the USSR for Holocaust denial.
https://www.tabletmag.com/sections/arts-letters/articles/mahmoud-abbas-soviet-dissertation

Will be interesting to see the intersectionality of Leftist Marxist Democrats who have hated Israel forever square this with their support for Ukraine.

Also interesting watching the 9/11 Troofer/Bircher retards on the Right seemingly allying themselves with every retrograde and Leftist adversary of the United States (Russia, China, Iran, Gaza, BRICS.......)

socal2 says

Israel against Russian and Islamist aggression.

Proof that once again McCarthyism is alive well. But just to confirm, you support IDF killing children, and bombing civilians?

socal2 says

Also interesting watching the 9/11 Troofer/Bircher

Please explain how Building 7, 47 stories high, collapsed in its own footprint after a small fire in the corner of the building.

Also, explain how all the security cameras at the Pentagon somehow conveniently malfunctioned.

Thanks for playing.

All of this as far as coming out of the next wash are:

USA pushes Ukraine to cease fire and accepting Russia's demands for Donbas (besides giving up on Crimea)

Russia scales down and nudges Iran to settle down which in turn nudges Hamas (and Hezbollah) to settle down

Perhaps Hamas gets a lot more international humanitarian aid for Gaza which is more wasted and corrupted than the funding to Ukraine

Oil prices do not increase much (or drop some) for the next 12 months going to the November 2024 election

Economy remains at worse flat also

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Israel has lots of IDF soldiers on the border of the Gaza Strip. Israel also happens to have probably the best intelligence services in the entire world.

How is it that slow, low flying para-gliders were able to cross into Israel, in broad daylight and thereby slaughter dozens of 'peace' concert goers? No one noticed them in the air? No one looked at these para-gliders with binoculars? No one noticed that each para-glider carried two, heavily armed men? No one sounded an alarm?

The whole thing seems impossible to believe. But that's just my opinion.

HeadSet says

Nonsense. The US just stopped selling to Japan because Japan was invading and conquering its neighbors.

The US had an embargo on Japan, they were preventing trade by anybody..

Japan was a bunch of assholes before WWII but don't claim the US wasn't poking them constantly either.

https://twitter.com/ElijahSchaffer/status/1710990879790629080



I agree with all of this.

If you oppose Zionism, does that make you anti-semitic?

I have no sympathy for willing stooges, and patsies. That's the problem with Useful Idiot commies, they are not fine people because they go along with it.

RayAmerica says

If you oppose Zionism, does that make you anti-semitic?

I don't think so. Zionism is a political movement. Judaism is a religion and ethnic group. Anti-Semitism is hating people just because they are Jewish, without regard to their own actions.

There are Hasidic Jews who oppose Zionism. Are they anti-Semitic?

The anti-Zionist world-view of the ultra-Orthodox groups Neturei Karta and Satmar Hasidism perceives Zionism and the estab­lishment of the State of Israel as an anti-messianic act, conceived and born from sin. These groups vigorously deny the very legiti­macy of the collective political return to the Holy Land and to Jewish sovereignty. For them, this is the handiwork of humans, violating the Jewish people’s oath of political quietism.

https://kunstler.com/clusterfuck-nation/here-we-go-loop-de-loop/

You know, of course, that the CIA’s job is to detect sinister doings in other countries, especially as they might affect our own country. Looks like they missed something lately in the spook-filled space between Iran and Israel. Do you suppose they’re too busy running Facebook? And their domestic companion, the FBI, has been working overtime for years now, between their mighty labors concocting RussiaGate and the current program to root out election deniers and other seditious riffraff — while millions of sketchy mutts from here, there, and everywhere in the world scuttle over our border with Mexico and decant across our fruited plains — with assistance, you understand, from our own border officials — and, yet, no questions asked. Here’s a free phone and an auto-refilling debit card. Have a nice day in Skokie, Plattsburgh, or wherever! And don’t forget to send in your court appearance forms by the 2030 deadline!

So, it came as a big surprise when southern Israel was overrun by Hamas dudes in tricked-out pickup trucks and para-gliders on Saturday, who carried home hundreds of nubile young women to have sport with, after slaughtering hundreds more people of all ages, like rampaging bronze age Philistines. That fresh enormity is, shall we say, quite a ways from resolution at this time. I’ll tell you what will be an even bigger surprise, though: when some organized unit of those aforesaid mutts of unknown origin who snuck across our border sets off something like a dirty bomb in New York, Los Angeles, or Washington DC. Or takes over a nuclear power station. Or… well, I wouldn’t want to put any ideas in a bad actor’s head. But you get the picture, I’m sure.

So, we’re in something that smells like uncharted territory this autumn Monday, and events are galloping faster than anyone can process. The scene looks a little bit like World War Three. At least any child of twelve could game it out that way in three easy steps. Say, the chief mullah in Teheran issues some crude remark about how Israel had it coming, yadda yadda … and the IDF forthwith fires a cruise missile up his qabaa… and next thing you know, so many mushroom clouds rise over the Levant that it looks like a shitake farm.

All this while the USA struggles to restore its political mental health after years of domestic abuse at the hands of our own government. A big question here is what kind of correction will it require to straighten out that abusive government… or can anything at all avail before having to shred the whole goshdarn operation and start over? Quien sabe? (As they say in Plattsburgh nowadays.)

Patrick says

Looks like they missed something lately in the spook-filled space between Iran and Israel. Do you suppose they’re too busy running Facebook? And their domestic companion, the FBI, has been working overtime for years now, between their mighty labors concocting RussiaGate and the current program to root out election deniers and other seditious riffraff

I think it is intentional as far as expert class in targeting knucklehead January 6 protesters whereas inept and incompetent as far as Chicom espionage , Mexican cartels, and Islamic extremism.

It is a Woke version of an anarcho tyranny mixture of 1984 + Keystone Cops + Demolition Man.

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Illuminati techniques, secret organizations, treachery, propaganda, blackmail, bribery and chambered hierarchies are more or less generic and non denominational, and were developed mostly by Jesuits over centuries of subterfuge, subversion, Inquisition torture and infiltration, which is why everybody uses them in their intelligence agencies (and why a lot of countries have kicked out the Jesuits). They are used both by 'black hats' and 'white hats' more or less routinely, if to different ends and at different levels of moral composure.

If they are attributed as denominational, it is usually a distraction or misdirection for purpose. 'Zionism' it seems is part of the Illuminati horn books attributed by a journalist to 'Elders of Zion'. In that sense, it is a false attribution of source and origin, although accurately reflecting many standard Illuminati type 'commandments'.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Protocols_of_the_Elders_of_Zion

"Largely plagiarized from several earlier sources, it was first published in Imperial Russia in 1903, translated into multiple languages, and disseminated internationally in the early part of the 20th century. It played a key part in popularizing belief in an international Jewish conspiracy."

https://twitter.com/ragipsoylu/status/1711460416356765764

Patrick says

Bibi Netanyahu could pin this on the Israeli deep state or intel services which were reportedly politically targeting him.

He could say he told them to look into this Egyptian intel report and that the Israeli intel services failed to take further effective action.

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Patrick says

If you oppose Zionism, does that make you anti-semitic?

I don't think so. Zionism is a political movement. Judaism is a religion and ethnic group. Anti-Semitism is hating people just because they are Jewish, without regard to their own actions.

There are Hasidic Jews who oppose Zionism. Are they anti-Semitic?

The anti-Zionist world-view of the ultra-Orthodox groups Neturei Karta and Satmar Hasidism perceives Zionism and the estab­lishment of the State of Israel as an anti-messianic act, conceived and born from sin. These groups vigorously deny the very legiti­macy of the collective political return to the Holy Land and to Jewish sovereignty. For them, this is the handiwork of humans, violating the Jewish people’s oath of political quietism.

I couldn't agree more. In numerous places throughout the Old Testament, over and over again, the requirement for obtaining the land was repentance and turning back to the God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob. Zionism, founded by Theodor Herzl, is a secular/political movement, that, in fact, introduced terrorism into the region. Prior to the Zionist invasion, Jews, while making up less that 5% of the population of the Holy Land, lived in peaceful harmony with Muslims and Christians. It was the Zionists that changed all that, and the people in that region have been living with violence ever since.

So Bibi was warned, and did nothing?

That's reminiscent of the 'surprise' attack on Pearl Harbor. It is now known that the United States broke not only the diplomatic code, but also Japan's military code. FDR knew in advance that Japan's carrier force was heading to Pearl Harbor and that the attack was imminent. He did absolutely nothing to warn Admiral Kimmel, who became the scapegoat for the disaster.

War is coming folks ... and it's going to be a big one involving all the major powers.

NuttBoxer says

But just to confirm, you support IDF killing children, and bombing civilians?

Respectfully, this is a retarded clown-show question to ask.

Especially a few days after the whole world watched Islamist terrorists from Gaza kill, rape and pillage innocent civilians at concerts, bus stations and pulled out of their homes to be executed, raped or taken hostage.

Israeli victims were not collateral damage of Islamists attacking military sites, Israeli civilians were the prime target of murder and rape.

For a dude that likes to talk up religion and hating war, YOU appear to have a massive broken moral compass. Especially when Hamas (and Iran) make it clear as day that they want to kill every Jew on the planet - not just Israel.

https://twitter.com/Cernovich/status/1711106861943185532

Patrick says

Many on your forum seem to struggle with this basic stuff.