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Patrick says

It's a PR war, where each side seeks to claim to be the bigger victim, and provokes or allows atrocities for that reason.

It is not solvable. The only certain thing is that saying "Look at these atrocities and not those" is what both sides want.

Makes sense to me. I read, just today, that the Palestinian are not only landlocked but all borders are closed to an extent they cannot even leave. I assume that's why so many are calling Palestine an open air prison. Even if they attempt to leave by sea, the Israelis shoot to kill past 3 miles (maybe it's more. maybe less). This sounds really bad. It's no different than provoking someone to attack you imo. Now, was Palestian's land stolen or not?

Why does it seem like America has some kind of debt we owe to Israel? I would think it's the opposite.

Patrick says

It is not solvable. The only certain thing is that saying "Look at these atrocities and not those" is what both sides want.

Glenn Greenwald made a good point in his last night's coverage. BSD (Boycott, Divestment, Sanctions) are literally illegal in many of the states in the US, and any criticism of Israel is called "antisemitism" - so if there can be no peaceful protests to change this situation, what is left for the Palestinians to do?

We just saw it a few days ago.

Israel is only 10 million people, we put up with an AWFUL lot of bullshit from that tiny minority.

AmericanKulak says

As for Folke Bernadotte, he was assassinated by Lehi extremists. One of the first acts of Israel after winning Independence was to charge the assassins, who were sentenced to prison with Irgun and Haganah generals testifying that their assassinations and attacks hindered the Cause. They were sentenced to years in prison but then a general amnesty for all political militants was passed. Their party got 1.2% of the vote and that was the end of that.

Oh bullshit. Yitzhak Shamir was one of the triumvirate that ordered the murder of Bernadotte. He was part of Lehi at the time, and the 7th prime minster of Israel.

Once a terrorist, always a terrorist, that's what Israel claims - when it's convenient to them. He was a terrorist.

AmericanKulak says

The best thing about the Internet bypassing the past is harder and harder.

The usual suspects are whinging about Gaza being bombed, but the images of the dead Dancers, kidnapped people, and the house-to-house slaughter is too fresh for people to buy the usual Pallywood Hamasbara.

"b-b-but, a buncha settlers yelled and screamed on the Temple Mount after months of harassment by Arabs back in the summer. Nobody died. That justified gunning down 1000 civilians!"

Nobody gives a fuck, no matter how much Mehta on PMSNBC or George Takei or Labourtards whinge.

You're correct, history is harder to erase, but this won't work in the favor of Israel in my opinion.

GNL says

Now, was Palestian's land stolen or not?

the last couple hundred of years it was slowly overtaken and became israel

adolph hitler and the nazi party at one time were major zionists based on his involvement with the haavara agreement

soviet union expelled a lot of jewish people to israel

so the Soviet bloc and Nazi's are attributed to a lot of why Israel exists based on migration patterns to the land where the nation of Israel exists..

so the land once known as kingdoms of judah and israel were the new home to jewish people arriving over the last 100 to 200 years ...they had immigration "somewhat like" the USA has had immigration..

gaza was outside of the kingdoms of judah and israel

i wonder how many of the present day Palestinians can trace their ancestors to being "israeli or jewish and who ' converted ' to islam "

the Mizrahi/Sephardi jews look somewhat Palestinian

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aliyah

ad says

gaza was outside of the kingdoms of judah and israel

Egypt won't take it back. It was offered in the Sinai Accords and they were like, yeah, nooo!

GNL says

Makes sense to me. I read, just today, that the Palestinian are not only landlocked but all borders are closed to an extent they cannot even leave. I assume that's why so many are calling Palestine an open air prison. Even if they attempt to leave by sea, the Israelis shoot to kill past 3 miles (maybe it's more. maybe less). This sounds really bad. It's no different than provoking someone to attack you imo. Now, was Palestian's land stolen or not?

There's a border with Egypt, too.

The Egyptians will tell you why they hate to open it.

Because when they do, a few weeks later many terrorists start going boom boom on tourists and resorts in Egypt.

richwicks says

Oh bullshit. Yitzhak Shamir was one of the triumvirate that ordered the murder of Bernadotte. He was part of Lehi at the time, and the 7th prime minster of Israel.

Once a terrorist, always a terrorist, that's what Israel claims - when it's convenient to them. He was a terrorist.

Freedom Fighter.

Leila Khalid was a Terrorist. Very Chic in Leftoid Circles in the 70s and 80s but never reached Che levels of worship.

richwicks says

BSD (Boycott, Divestment, Sanctions) are literally illegal in many of the states in the US, and any criticism of Israel is called "antisemitism"

Nope. It's illegal for the Woke Administrators of State Schools, Departments, etc. to practice BDS. States have a right to forbid their employees from considering which countries they will boycott as Administrators.

Unelected Public Employees, like Presidents of Universities, are not elected officials that have the privilege of making public foreign policy for the state.

Half of them would buy everything from Venezuela if they could.

ad says

adolph hitler and the nazi party at one time were major zionists based on his involvement with the haavara agreement

That's an exaggeration. One Nazi Official was sent down to Israel to see if it was worth transferring the Jews there and had a commemorative token struck. The Nazis decided to collaborate with the Grand Mufti of Jerusalem, a Bosniak Muslim imported by Turkey in the late 19th along with others to try to repopulate the deserted province.



He helped raise the SS Scimitar Brigade of Bosnian Muslims to fight in WW2.

Prior to being a "Palestinian", he wanted the British to recreate the Kaliphate of Damascus that would incorporate ALL the Levant, including Lebanon, Syria, the old Sanjaks of Akko, Jerusalem, Nablus, etc. into one Caliphate. Ottoman Empire did NOT have a province of Palestine, but a bunch of counties in the area (aforementioned Sanjaks), and the overarching Over Governor was from Damascus.

Only when it was clear France and Britain were going to create normal states and not a Muslim Empire did he get his knickers in a twist... to ensure South Syria (Jerusalem) would be part of Syria. But then UK and France would cross each other's Mandates, so then he decided there should be a Palestine.

It was his third and least favorite option; he wanted the All-Levant Caliphate with HQ in Damascus.

The Tamimis, including the famous terrorist who continues to hide in Jordan as well as actress Surely Temper, are Bosniaks who came no earlier than many Jews in the 19thC. But of course, call themselves native Palestinians.

TL;DR: It's complicated. Just let the Western friendly nation Kleanse 'Em All and not support a cuck out with peace and happiness for a change.

BTW, "Gaza was Carpet Bombed"

I wish.

Here's the area mostly bombed by Israel in the last night. Other than a few buildings here and there, Hamas Government was concentrated in the Commercial District of Rimal



You can check this for yourself in Google map.

Here's all the Malls in the open air prison camp



And finally, realize that Radicals, Reds, And Terrorists are trying to do this:


And reject their framing.

AmericanKulak says

The Nazis decided to collaborate with the Grand Mufti of Jerusalem, a Bosniak Muslim imported by Turkey in the late 19th along with others to try to repopulate the deserted province.

Yep.

"As Grand Mufti and leader in the Arab Higher Committee, especially during the war period 1938-45, al-Husayni played a key role in violent opposition to Zionism and closely allied himself with the Nazi regime in Germany." (. ISBN 978-0-86356-460-4. pp.309,321 )

Plenty of tension and fighting between Muslims and Jews well before the start of World War 2 such as the 1929 Palestinian Riots

He was not a "Bosniak" , he was a Palestinian Arab: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Amin_al-Husseini

"Bosniaks" are southern Slavs and are mostly Muslim. They would have been Christians if not from the Ottoman Empire conquest of that region around the 15th century.

Just like the Palestinians today like would have been Jews or Christians if there was no forced or coerced conversion to Islam ????

AmericanKulak says

Freedom Fighter.

Oh bullshit. Yitzhak Shamir was a German that invaded the area. He was an invader.

There is absolutely no question he was involved with the murder of Count Bernadotte. He was a typical terrorist fanatic.

AmericanKulak says

Nope. It's illegal for the Woke Administrators of State Schools, Departments, etc. to practice BDS. States have a right to forbid their employees from considering which countries they will boycott as Administrators.

No they don't!

If I didn't want to buy shit from Russia, or China, that's my right. God, how duplicitous are you?

If I have a problem with, say Georgia, I can boycott them as well. Bunch of left retards did that a few years ago. You think the STATE says I can't do this??

Stop having dual standards, and have consistent ones. It doesn't matter if people agree with your opinions, what matters if they are free to do what they want, even if you disagree with them. Tired of you fascist idiots. You exhibit dual standards, and I cannot believe you don't realize this. You have no principles.

I can accept I am wrong when a majority says I am, I can continue to disagree with that majority, however, I will never adopt dual standards - I believe you are fully aware of your hypocrisy, and have no shame in showing it thinking people are too dumb to pick it up. Absolute arrogance. That's disgusting of you. You're beneath me.

AmericanKulak says

You can check this for yourself in Google map.

Google maps are updated one every year, 6 months at the most. You won't see the damage until then and Google blurs the images of Gaza, the West Bank and Israel so you cannot see the economic disparity. They've been doing this for over 15 years.

I remember when I could see the difference over the wall, not it's just a smudge.

richwicks says

AmericanKulak says

You can check this for yourself in Google map.

Google maps are updated one every year, 6 months at the most. You won't see the damage until then and Google blurs the images of Gaza, the West Bank and Israel so you cannot see the economic disparity. They've been doing this for over 15 years.

I remember when I could see the difference over the wall, not it's just a smudge.

Not talking about the damage. Talking about the scale of the bombing.

richwicks says

No they don't!

If I didn't want to buy shit from Russia, or China, that's my right. God, how duplicitous are you?

If I have a problem with, say Georgia, I can boycott them as well. Bunch of left retards did that a few years ago.

Stop having dual standards, and have consistent ones. It doesn't matter if people agree with your opinions, what matters if they are free to do what they want, even if you disagree with them. Tired of you fascist cunts.

Go back and read what I wrote.

State Employees have no right to impose their Woke bullshit on Taxpayer's Money by boycotting countries. It's up to the ELECTED State Politicians, not UNELECTED Administrators, to decide how/where to spend TAXPAYER funds.

Department of Education Vice President LaShonda Wakanda has no authority to decide she'll only buy Venezuelan products or no Israeli ones with TAXPAYER money for the Department because of her BLM Activism.

Shall we do the White Phosphorus bullshit now, or later?

Because like in Syria, Ukraine, and wherever else an Army uses Smoke or Illumination rounds with White Phosphorus, somebody is gonna say it's "Chemical Warfare".

AmericanKulak says

State Employees have no right to impose their Woke bullshit on Taxpayer's Money by boycotting countries

Any employee is allowed to do whatever they want including boycotts, EXCEPT the state mandates that you can't do boycotts, That's what happened.

If I, as an engineering contractor, am boycotting Israel, there's something like 1/2 the states that won't hire me based on my purchase decisions.

That's what is going on.

In Florida, people had to sign fucking loyalty oaths to Israel for hurricane relief. For state aid.

WTF?

richwicks says

Any employee is allowed to do whatever they want including boycotts, EXCEPT the state mandates that you can't do boycotts, That's what happened.

If I, as an engineering contractor, am boycotting Israel, there's something like 1/2 the states that won't hire me based on my purchase decisions.

That's what is going on.

Great, nobody is guaranteed a government contract. If the government decides it won't buy books from companies that sponsor Drag Queen Storytime, or refuse to service Religious Adoption Agencies but want Dept of Ed contracts, that's fine too.

AmericanKulak says

Great, nobody is guaranteed a government contract.

To swear allegiance to a foreign state?

Seriously?

AmericanKulak says

If the government decides it won't buy books from companies that sponsor Drag Queen Storytime, or refuse to service Religious Adoption Agencies but want Dept of Ed contracts, that's fine too.

There should be no department of education, there should be no government involvement in education at all. That's the parent's choice.

Why is the fucking GOVERNMENT involved in any of this?

You keep looking up, like a dummy. "HALP! GOBERMINT! SAVE ME!"

Just get rid of the fucking government. There, problem solved.

The government, specifically, the federal government CREATES problems, they don't solve them. How can you not realize this?

Who is opening the border? A bunch of leftist twats? No, it's our government. Who is creating wars? A bunch of do-gooders for Ukraine? No, it's our government. How is it FUCKING possible you don't see the obvious at this point? Do you just pretend not to see?

Fuck the government. They don't do shit other than collect money and make empty promises. It's been this way ALL of my adult life, and I'm 52. Are you on their payroll? The federal government hasn't done a single thing for this nation in 30 years. Fuck them. Could be 70 years. I don't know.

But they did something, we have to hold our ankles to Israel - fuck them too.

richwicks says

To swear allegiance to a foreign state?

Sorry, the taxpayers elected officials decided not do business with politicized contractors.

Elected officials decide how and when to spend taxpayer dollars, not government employees or contractors.

If a State Government said "Contractors can't get supplies from Venezuelan companies, or must boycott China for it's labor laws the citizenry of this state have decided are odious to humanity" would you be so upset?

richwicks says

There should be no department of education, there should be no government involvement in education at all. That's the parent's choice.

Red herring. IF the government does public schooling, THEN the elected officials decide the conditions contractors have to meet.

richwicks says

The government, specifically, the federal government CREATES problems, they don't solve them. How can you not realize this?

Again, straw man. I've said many times I want decentralization. Though I don't see how the State Gov wouldn't have some role in Education, like setting basic standards for schools in the state so employers can have an idea of what they can expect diploma holders to know.

Decentralization doesn't mean NO role, it means devolving that role to the states (or lower depending on the state constitution)

richwicks says

Who is opening the border? A bunch of leftist twats? No, it's our government. Who is creating wars? A bunch of do-gooders for Ukraine? No, it's our government. How is it FUCKING possible you don't see the obvious at this point? Do you just pretend not to see?

Multinationals controlling the Government. Together. Not just one.

See "My Stance" - I made it with you in mind because I knew I was going to have to repeat myself endlessly, and if I neglected to footnote my position constantly we'd be here, again.
https://patrick.net/post/1380264/2023-10-10-my-stance

richwicks says

But they did something, we have to hold our ankles to Israel - fuck them too.

And there it is. Every time, Israel, Israel, I don't have a real dog in the fight, but let me bring Israel and Jews into everything, all the time.

PedoIwog says

Dammit, I want to stay a Virologist.

After conducting several occult rituals and raising my crystal ball amidst the chicken bones, with my usual failed prediction instincts, I will raise the possibility that the Mideast thing will run out of gas sooner than expected.

Only a small fraction of Americans know that Pearl Harbor was a false flag. FDR lined up the fleet on purpose, ignored all intelligence, and all but invited the Japanese in. That was really the good ole days of false flags.

It's taken nearly 20 years for a plurality of Americans to recognize 9/11 was an inside job, even with the revelations of the hive mind of the internet, not the guy in the cave with a laptop. False flag flagging too soon, since the perps are still alive, kicking and plotting, uh oh.

The extinction time of the Mideast false flag is going to be days to weeks for a very large segment of the Israeli society to realize that the leaders are literally lying to them with Israeli blood on their hands. They already have dissents in their military. There are too many people with high index of suspicion, especially with the already human sacrifice under the Covid death vax. When the leaders see the reactions of their people (already cropping up on the internet) that they purposely allowed this to happen, they might very well quell the whole gig and start trying to figure out how they can put a reverse gear on it to live
to plot and psychopath another day. Not the good ole days of false flags any more, CURSES! False flags are almost becoming precog if you can see them from the bleachers.

So, after some fireworks and atrocities, and having at least accomplished desired distractions, Switzerland, the City of London, and the Rothschild Messiahs may take a curtain call on the gig.

So there is another infallibly wrong (which is why I don't make them very often) Ceffer prediction.

AmericanKulak says

Sorry, the taxpayers elected officials decided not do business with politicized contractors.

Biden wasn't elected. If he was elected, that means 26 million new voters signed up between 2016 and 2020. That would mean 7% of the entire nation signed up to vote in 4 years. This would mean that in 2020, the largest turn out of the population occurred, where nearly 50% of the nation (not voting age, but the entire population) turned out to vote.

We had a CIA coup.

That's why we have a fucking pedophile for a president. A criminal that openly sells his office. That's why Hunter Biden sells "artwork", literally children's drawings for the refrigerator, for 1/2 million dollars each. We didn't vote for this. Our nation, although filled with stupid people, aren't this fucking stupid.

AmericanKulak says

If a State Government said "Contractors can't get supplies from Venezuelan companies, or must boycott China for it's labor laws the citizenry of this state have decided are odious to humanity" would you be so upset?

Yes but it's not the same problem or situation. If I refused to buy fruit and vegetables from Cambodia, the United States wouldn't care, why are they so concerned with Israel?

AmericanKulak says

Red herring. IF the government does public schooling, THEN the elected officials decide the conditions contractors have to meet.

Yeah, that's the problem. The government shouldn't be deciding what people should do education. Eliminate the government, and CRT goes away. Instead we have useless traitor thugs threatening parents who complain about having Gender Queer in the classroom when little Billy is 9.

AmericanKulak says

Again, straw man. I've said many times I want decentralization.

Yeah, you're full of shit. You're lying. You're a hypocrite.

If you want decentralization, and you don't, you would want the government out of your (and my) hair, and you don't. You're lying.

AmericanKulak says

Though I don't see how the State Gov wouldn't have some role in Education, like setting basic standards for schools in the state so employers can have an idea of what they can expect diploma holders to know.

That's what standardized tests are for, and now that's "racist".

AmericanKulak says

Decentralization doesn't mean NO role, it means devolving that role to the states (or lower depending on the state constitution)

It does mean no role. You have the federal government, state government, local government, and families at the very smallest level. Let families decide on education. Why does the state even get involved? Those with the best education methods for children will win, and will eventually take over the system. You're against competition, free market capitalism really.

AmericanKulak says

Multinationals controlling the Government. Together. Not just one.

Multinationals control the government because it's worthwhile for them to control the government. If you reduced federal power, they wouldn't bother, would they? The problem is because people have given too much power to the federal government. Reduce that power. Problem solved.

AmericanKulak says

See "My Stance" - I made it with you in mind because I knew I was going to have to repeat myself endlessly, and if I neglected to footnote my position constantly we'd be here, again.
https://patrick.net/post/1380264/2023-10-10-my-stance

What bullshit. This isn't your stance. You are defending the federal government to compel people to swear allegiance to Israel, and at the same time you've said:

- Let Israel do what it needs to do

- The US stays out of it

You're being dishonest, with me at least, and probably with yourself.

AmericanKulak says

And there it is. Every time, Israel, Israel, I don't have a real dog in the fight, but let me bring Israel and Jews into everything, all the time.

Well, we're in a proxy war with Russia, and notice, our "news" media has forgotten about that in favor of this war with a bunch of racist assholes in the Middle East who got attacked by the people they've been subjugating for 75 years.

Our nation is threatening to go to World War III, and we give a fuck about a nation of 10 million people? Really? That's the "news of the day"?

After Israel Sends Troops Into Gaza, Watch for Hezbollah, Iran, Syria and the U.S. to All Get Involved in the Great Middle East War

From the article:

“Escalation” will be a word that is used a lot in the coming days. Once Israel sends troops into Gaza, it is going to trigger a series of events that nobody is going to be able to control. But there is no turning back now. When Hamas decided to rape women, behead children and kidnap the elderly, they made any other course of action impossible. Israel must go into Gaza. And as I write this article, we are witnessing the largest mobilization of Israelis troops that we have seen since the Yom Kippur War…

More here: https://discernreport.com/after-israel-sends-troops-into-gaza-watch-for-hezbollah-iran-syria-and-the-u-s-to-all-get-involved-in-the-great-middle-east-war/

RayAmerica says

After Israel Sends Troops Into Gaza, Watch for Hezbollah, Iran, Syria and the U.S. to All Get Involved in the Great Middle East War

Don't forget BLM, LGTBQ mafia, Antifa, and Marxists who are lining up on that side as well.

So on one side of a potential WWIII, we have Islamists, Russians, Chinese, Iranians, BLM, LGBTQ, Marxists and sadly many retarded conspiracists on the Right.

Been interesting watching the portion of MAGA that shits all over Ukraine for defending themselves against Russian invasion keeping their options open waiting to see which way the wind blows in Israel.

There's only one other group of people I can think of who cause as much child suffering as what Israel's government, with full support of the US government have caused. They're called pedophiles. Nice company some of you are keeping with your views...

It's not that people are shitting on Ukraine for defending themselves. It is that the Ukraine is going to lose and people are simply pointing that out.

Israel on the other hand is going to win its war against Hamas.

Misc says

It's not that people are shitting on Ukraine for defending themselves. It is that the Ukraine is going to lose and people are simply pointing that out.

Israel on the other hand is going to win its war against Hamas.

Right - no one ever shits on Zelensky and Ukrainians here at Patnet. All those memes mocking Zelensky as a fag is for his own good - right?

I dare say that Ukraine has an equal or better chance of kicking Russia out of their country as Israel is going to have trying to figure out what to do with 2+ million people in Gaza.

Both are going to be very hard tasks and I support both Israel and Ukraine fighting against retrograde animals we see in Hamas and Russia.

Guarantee you inside of a month, many of the same Putin boosters will be pressuring Israel to stop fighting an "unwinnable" war and to give into the Islamist animals to prevent escalation and WWIII.

At this point, both 'sides' (if there is such a thing any more) are claiming all kinds of shit for propaganda purposes. Probably best just to shut it off because truth has an inverse relationship to the timeline.

https://twitter.com/i/status/1711776100169191790

https://twitter.com/austerrewyatt1/status/1711809373838680116



I'm not sure this is true, but it does make sense.

richwicks says

Yeah, you're full of shit. You're lying. You're a hypocrite.

If you want decentralization, and you don't, you would want the government out of your (and my) hair, and you don't. You're lying.

Decentralization doesn't necessarily mean LESS government, it means things done at a lower level.

But you're a bullshit Iranian Syrian Shill, you know a lot LESS than you say.

When you're caught being full of shit you dodge and say "Well, that may be" and then the next day go right back to your debunked bullshit.

We've been over the same ground over and over again on many issues where you're given evidence something isn't the way RT and MintPress and their various shills say, and few days later you keep pushing it. It's like your stuck.

Welcome to my ignore list, Czar-Ayatollah Shill

Congrats your unique mix of neurodiversity with your difficulty of facial recognition, monomania, and apparent low drive and probable Ass Burgers that has managed to exhaust probably the most patient person on Patnet.

EDIT: Also add history of Orthorexia, another tell.

Go fuck yourself.

Patrick says

https://twitter.com/austerrewyatt1/status/1711809373838680116



I'm not sure this is true, but it does make sense.

Patrick just "asking questions" again - giving every possible excuse to Islamists who did the actual butchering of women and children.

Great writeup on close ties between Northern and Southern Hamas:

https://nitter.net/P_Kallioniemi/status/1711724819551498444#m

Eric Holder says

Great writeup on close ties between Northern and Southern Hamas:

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