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richwicks says

So they picked the most contested land on the planet that was already populated. You ever look at the Earth at night?

but it was gradual... it was no like within 3 years they decided to officially establish the nation of Israel

Jews have been living in Israel since the Greeks and then the sadistic Romans and obviously there was a lot more migration there around 1850 to 1950...

if anything, the non-Jew Europeans are responsible for the Aliyah (i.e., Holocaust and pogroms)..

that is why the Arabs are fucked when they say there were never any Jews... read Roman antiquities like "The Jewish War" by Flavius Josephus

the god-damn hedonistic and sadistic Romans gloated in writing about controlling and beating on the Jews in Palestine

they would have fed Mohammed to the lions if he was around then ... I've been reading about Romans and Rome, and didn't realize how sadistic they were..

yet the Arabs claim there were never any Jews hence they have no right to the land of Palestine?

So that means the Romans made up some imaginary group of people that they conquered and occasionally hung on wooden structures as a form of capital punishment ?

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By the way, are the Arab Muslims today the same group of people (i.e., race or ethnicity) that the Greeks and Romans controlled in Palestine ?

So if Mohammed never existed, then would these Arab people be another religion like Judaism?

I am asking were their ancestors the ones who worshiped Judaism in Palestine ?

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ad says

that is why the Arabs are fucked when they say there were never any Jews...

Who says this?

Is like this when the Zionists propagandists claim the area was a land without a people for a people without a land? Or that "they made the desert bloom", and other nonsense?

You realize, we're just arguing about what which propaganda that was told 100 years ago or today, is correct? Neither is correct.

It's a false dichotomy. It's like either you have to believe the holocaust never happened OR you have to believe 6 million Jews were killed, the Nazis were sadistic, Jewish people were turned into soap, and purposely starved to death, and their skin was made into lampshades, they were poisoned by a cyanide persticide called Zyklon B and blah blah blah blah.

There was a holocaust, but it was NOTHING on the scale that we're taught about today so both extremes are wrong. If you question one extreme, you are placed in the other extreme so it's safer not to question it at all.

In Schindler's List, do you know what Schindler's factory made? Munitions. Do you think the Nazis were going to interrupt ANY operations during the war just to move Jewish workers from the factor, to another munitions plant where they had to do all the logistics, planning, as well as housing them, feeding them - or just leave them alone and let them take care of themselves making munitions?

I hate Hollywood. I hate propaganda, but I repeat myself.

richwicks says

ad says

that is why the Arabs are fucked when they say there were never any Jews...

Who says this?

Militant factions such as Hamas has claimed the Jews never were a major tribe or group in the land of Israel.

It is about making the Jews as illegitimate and invaders or occupiers. That is why they kill anyone in Israel because they view them as intruders or invaders.

Here is one source: https://www.bjpa.org/content/upload/bjpa/spen/Spencer%20the%20Qur'an%20Israel%20is%20Not%20for%20the%20Jews.pdf

However, less militant Muslims recognize there is a lot of historical documents which show the land of Israel belonged to the Jews. Read page 3 in the above link.

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richwicks says

There was a holocaust, but it was NOTHING on the scale that we're taught about today so both extremes are wrong.

So what is your estimate on number of Jews killed in the Holocaust ?

If you say at least 1 million (not the official estimate of 6 million) then it still would piss off the Iranian mullahs and other militants like Hamas who claim there was never a Holocaust.

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ad says

Militant factions such as Hamas has claimed the Jews never were a major tribe or group in the land of Israel.

Hamas was created by Israel as a counter to the PLO. They are of course going to produce ludicrous propaganda, just as Israel does.

ad says

However, less militant Muslims recognize there is a lot of historical documents which show the land of Israel belonged to the Jews. Read page 3 in the above link.

I appreciate the link but I don't need to read anything to know Jews have had a presence there since antiquity. The Ashkenazi didn't though, they are just European and Russian invaders. It's unknown if they actually have any genetic linkage to the Jews of the Bible, and frankly, it doesn't matter.

The original Jews spoke Aramaic. Ashkenazi spoke Yiddish.

ad says

So what is your estimate on number of Jews killed in the Holocaust ?

The lowest estimate is a couple hundred thousand to 2 million, and by "killed" I mean murdered, not died of typhus or starvation or bombing bombed. Also those numbers might be wrong - we simply don't know. Investigating the actual number is dangerous.

ad says

If you say at least 1 million (not the official estimate of 6 million) then it still would piss off the Iranian mullahs and other militants like Hamas who claim there was never a Holocaust.

Do you think I care what they think?

Abrahamic religions are POLITICAL entities. They're politicians, therefore they lie. It's all political. The Roman Catholic Church was basically the capital of all of Europe, for a long time, they were the inheritors of the Roman Empire.

Israel is basically an armed fortress. Everywhere in Israel, there are IDF soldiers that are armed with automatic weapons. As innocent people were being systematically slaughtered, why did it take so long for the IDF to respond? Did they have a stand down order?

Charlie Kirk Challenges the Official Narrative About Israel's Response to Hamas Terrorist Attack
(short but provocative video)

https://rumble.com/v3p80jw-charlie-kirk-challenges-the-official-narrative-about-israels-response-to-ha.html

richwicks says

It's unknown if they actually have any genetic linkage to the Jews of the Bible

They do, lots of evidence for that. For pretty much all Jewish groups, the male line is from the MidEast, but female is not, because most Jewish communities started with male traders moving into new areas and taking local wives.

But right, why should genes entitle you to anything except for an inheritance directly from your parents?

Patrick says

They have their priorities and the well-being of their "brothers" is not on the list.

RayAmerica says

Israel is basically an armed fortress. Everywhere in Israel, there are IDF soldiers that are armed with automatic weapons. As innocent people were being systematically slaughtered, why did it take so long for the IDF to respond? Did they have a stand down order?

Maybe there is a lot of incompetence within the military as it has been weakened over the last 5 to 10 years ? Perhaps its standards have dropped a lot ?

One lesson is that the kibbutz relied a lot on the local military bases and police stations. Hamas sent is most seasoned to target the bases and stations. So the kibbutz should have had each adult at least with a 9 mm handgun. Its about self defense as you can't rely on the police all the time.

There was one instance that a kibbutz resident used a gun to shot at a Hamas terrorist. See below.

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It was only when Mr. Levi shot one attacker in the thigh that they finally left, he added.

https://dnyuz.com/2023/10/13/the-secrets-hamas-knew-about-israels-military/

RayAmerica says

Israel is basically an armed fortress. Everywhere in Israel, there are IDF soldiers that are armed with automatic weapons.

Turns out that image was a PR bullshit. All these little kibutz towns had was some local resident militia types with weapons locked away in some storage room. They did have fences and gated entrances but these were easily defeated by ambushing residents coming home in their cars.

RWSGFY says

Patrick says

They have their priorities and the well-being of their "brothers" is not on the list.

Someone said this is how they spread their religion.

GNL says

They have their priorities and the well-being of their "brothers" is not on the list.

Someone said this is how they spread their religion.

yeah you don't hear or see Hamas or militant Arab Muslims decrying the abuse by the Chicoms on their Muslim brethren Uhygurs

seems convenient to me :-/

the Hamas militant types know the Chicoms would be more savage then they are especially since Chicoms are very ethnic Han centric...they have as much pride in their ethnicity as the Germans did in the 1930s..
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The Pharaonic Dragons won't be happy if Bibi loses his grip on the slaves. There's only so much a gangster can do.

Patrick says

For pretty much all Jewish groups, the male line is from the MidEast, but female is not, because most Jewish communities started with male traders moving into new areas and taking local wives.

?? That makes no sense. If a Semitic Jew marries a local (German, say), then the male and female children of that couple have both Semitic and German genes. Now the male son marries a local girl, or even a mixed girl. That male still carries the Germanic genes, and his offspring have mixed in more German genes, and such will continue down the line.

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2023/oct/15/plainfield-illinois-plainfield-six-year-old-muslim-boy-mother-murder-hate-crime

Patrick says

They do, lots of evidence for that. For pretty much all Jewish groups, the male line is from the MidEast, but female is not, because most Jewish communities started with male traders moving into new areas and taking local wives.

Then they aren't Jewish, because it runs through maternal lines. It's based on the mitochondrial DNA. You should know that.

Patrick says

But right, why should genes entitle you to anything except for an inheritance directly from your parents?

It's called racial bigotry what used to be called "racism".

ad says

yeah you don't hear or see Hamas or militant Arab Muslims decrying the abuse by the Chicoms on their Muslim brethren Uhygurs

seems convenient to me :-/

Do Christian groups decry how Palestinian Christians are treated? They're no different.

Propaganda hurricane is on for sure. It's a waste of time poring over the bullshit, unless you are a particular fan of the canned bullshit.

RWSGFY says

Turns out that image was a PR bullshit. All these little kibutz towns had was some local resident militia types with weapons locked away in some storage room. They did have fences and gated entrances but these were easily defeated by ambushing residents coming home in their cars.

The Kibbutz in question (and only 1% of Israelis live on Kibbutzim, and most of them now are religious oriented) was very, very Progressive, one of the few left remaining.

that's the reason the lefty peacenik dope got killed there.

Patrick says

PLO started Lebanese Civil War by harassing the Church of the Deliverance; later the Palestinians returned after being "humilated" by the Church Security and shot up a bus or something.

That was after the PLO was expelled from Jordan for trying to overthrow that country.

Palestinians meddled in the Iranian Revolution joining with the Tudeh/Communist parties.

Kuwait had 100k's of Palestinians, but Yassir backed Saddam in the First Gulf War and Kuwait later expelled them for treason.

Egypt keeps their border with Gaza locked up because when it's open, terrorism against tourists at the Pyramids and Red Sea Resorts begins.

AmericanKulak says

Egypt keeps their border with Gaza locked up because when it's open, terrorism against tourists at the Pyramids and Red Sea Resorts begins.

That makes sense.

GasTheYoungTurks says

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2023/oct/15/plainfield-illinois-plainfield-six-year-old-muslim-boy-mother-murder-hate-crime

The man who posted it, have been caught so many times by police in India for his Islamic fake victim "news" propaganda and links with terrorist organizations. Unfortunately Indian courts are so corrupt and do not take any violent crimes committed by "minorities" (20%) seriously!

richwicks says

Do Christian groups decry how Palestinian Christians are treated? They're no different.

Christian groups do not engage in terrorism like Hamas. Do the Christian groups engage in a "jihad" style war against non Christians or "non beleivers as militant Muslims do ? So that is a false comparison.

However there has been support for them such as this one: "In September 2016, the Jerusalem-based Center for Jewish–Christian Understanding and Cooperation (CJCUC) established "Blessing Bethlehem", a charity fundraising initiative with the purpose of helping the persecuted Christians living in the city of Bethlehem and its surrounding areas."

ad says

Christian groups do not engage in terrorism like Hamas.

Christains nations do.

What do you think Shock and Awe was? That was terrorism. The MOAB was terrorism. Shit, going to war is terrorism. The US armed and paid for Al Qaeda and ISIS against Syria. Remember when ISIS showed up in the Philippines because they were cracking down on the drug trade with the CIA is running?

The US is the biggest terrorist in the world. The US overthrew Ukraine, and as a result, Ukraine is FUCKED. Now the US has an excuse to abandon it because of Israel, that might be the exit excuse. Ukraine is screwed anyhow.

ad says

Do the Christian groups engage in a "jihad" style war against non Christians or "non beleivers as militant Muslims do ? So that is a false comparison.

Nah, they just murder people for fun and profit, to launder money, to steal resources, to install military bases, and biological weapons labs..

ad says

However there has been support for them such as this one: "In September 2016, the Jerusalem-based Center for Jewish–Christian Understanding and Cooperation (CJCUC) established "Blessing Bethlehem", a charity fundraising initiative with the purpose of helping the persecuted Christians living in the city of Bethlehem and its surrounding areas."

The money will just be stolen. It never gets to the people they claim it's going to go to.

Standard Operating Procedure in the western world now. Every charity is COMPLETELY corrupt. They are every bit as honest as a televangelist and this has been going on for decades.

Remember the "starving children on Ethiopia"? They never got any of the money.

The US brags constantly that they are the most generous givers of charity, well most of that "charity" is AID - you know, bribes.

The troops are assembling for WW3.

Note, what if you show up wearing a dress?

richwicks says

Christains nations do.

USA does not kill in the name of or to outwardly promote Christianity. Again you are making a false comparison to Islamic terror groups.

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ad says

USA does not kill in the name of or to outwardly promote Christianity.

Of course not...The USA's religion is MONEY.

Patrick says

The claim of the cost of firing is is absurdly low. To make a laser beam that will produce enough photons to do damage, it's using a chemical reaction, and even if it was just electricity, that would be a lot of megawatt/hours.

I don't believe it.

Iron Beam related
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DE M-SHORAD
The Army began an effort to put a laser on an M-SHORAD vehicle began in mid-2019.[56] A combat shoot-off of laser-equipped Strykers facing realistic scenarios was conducted in July 2021,[57] after which Raytheon was awarded a contract to supply a platoon of four vehicles each equipped with a 50 kW laser to defend against Group 1-3 UAS and rocket, artillery, and mortar (RAM) threats. The first two Directed Energy Maneuver-SHORAD Strykers were delivered in early 2023 for training with soldiers. A second platoon is planned to be ordered later in 2023, with the program to transfer to a program of record in 2025 and a competition to open up to produce the DE M-SHORAD capability.[56]

"The total blockade of “human animals” (copyright Israeli Defense Ministry) in Gaza, in fact a civilian population of 2.3 million, has been imposed this past Monday. No food, no water, no fuel, no essential commodities.

That’s a war crime and a crime against humanity, thrashing the four basic principles of the Law of Armed Conflict (LOAC) – everything duly applauded or at best completely ignored by NATOstan and its assorted oligarch-controlled mainstream media.

Christians, Muslims, Jews and other ethnic groups lived peacefully in Palestine for centuries until the imposition of the racist Zionist Project – complete with all the Divide and Rule attributes of settler colonialism.

The Nakba is an old memory of 75 years ago. We are now way beyond apartheid – and entering total exclusion and expulsion of Palestinians from their homeland."

Israel turned the water back on.

They are trying to negotiate humanitarian aid for a return of the hostages and allowing the foreigners to leave Gaza.

Where was the outrage last week when Azerbaijan forced 120000 Armenians out of their homes and off their land?

------- Oh, the mainstream media hardly mentioned that because they were Christians.

It's not a war when one side forcefully occupies the other, it's genocide.

NuttBoxer says

It's not a war when one side forcefully occupies the other, it's genocide.

Sigh.

How can Gaza be suffering "genocide" when they have one of the fastest growing populations on the planet and also suffering from obesity?

Words have meaning. This conflict is hard enough without you introducing loaded and totally inaccurate claims to justify your hatred of Israel.

The Gazans are the planet's biggest welfare queens getting BILLIONS in aid from useful idiots all over the world. The Gazans are a wrecked culturally as the African American ghetto community that have been living on welfare for multi-generations with no fathers in the house.