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richwicks says

That was your first link. Associated Propaganda is your first source.

How about the Al Jazeera report that claims 50,000 Russia deaths by last summer using data from Russian sources and confirming names at Russian cemeteries?

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"Nearly 50,000 Russian men have died in the war in Ukraine, according to the first independent statistical analysis of Russia’s war dead.

Two independent Russian media outlets, Mediazona and Meduza, working with a data scientist from Germany’s Tübingen University, used Russian government data to shed light on one of Moscow’s closest-held secrets — the true human cost of its invasion of Ukraine."

https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2023/7/10/new-data-uncovers-50000-russian-deaths-during-the-ukraine-war

Keep in mind, this is from last July before Russia started their latest (and failed) offensive that got tens of thousands more Russians killed and wounded.

socal2 says

How about the Al Jazeera report

I said previously:

richwicks says

I will ignore everything if you start posting from our government or known propaganda agencies, meaning western media.

and I meant that.

Your opinion isn't worth considering. That's not to say you're wrong, it's just that you don't care if you're right. I'm not going through the shit you consider a mind, because you won't do it yourself. I am tired of dealing with people who don't worry about thinking and have no problem passing on bullshit. You just did.

This is your fucking source:

EXPLAINER: Can the spread of monkeypox be stopped?

I am sick of tired of having to deal with the confusion of "minds" that continue to reference this bullshit. 20 years ago, I recognized what was mainstream "news" was bullshit. 2 decades ago. If you haven't caught up by now, you're too infantile to take seriously. I'm fucking fed up with it.

At the end of this war, which our stupid fucking neocons started, who have a 100% track record of lying the ENTIRE time, we'll find out what happened. Your article in AP said:

https://apnews.com/article/ukraine-troops-killed-zelenskyy-675f53437aaf56a4d990736e85af57c4

A U.S. intelligence report declassified in mid-December 2023 estimated that 315,000 Russian troops had been killed or wounded in Ukraine. If accurate, the figure would represent 87% of the roughly 360,000 troops Russia had before the war, according to the report.

If the Russian military was that weak, the US would invade them. 360,000 * (1 - 0.87) = 47,000 left. The US supposedly has around 35,000 troops in Germany now.

https://knowgermany.com/how-many-us-troops-are-stationed-in-germany/

As of September 2021, there are around 35,000 US troops stationed in Germany.

You would't even think to do any math or look anything up, would you? You read passively, and do no thinking. You don't even consider that it's even possible for you to know if you're reading bullshit or not. You feel this is entirely outside of your ability and grasp to do some middle school arithmetic. You're everywhere.

richwicks says

Your opinion isn't worth considering.

So I can just put you on ignore?

The Al Jazeera link you clearly didn't read used Russian media sources and confirmed cemetery headstones to provide the Russian death estimate.

socal2 says

So I can just put you on ignore?

You can, but that won't prevent me from responding to you, without your knowledge. I'm OK with that.

Where is the error in my reasoning? If you're just going to pick out bullshit without even doing cursory basic thinking to determine if what you are reading is even REASONABLE, why should I consider you EVER do that?

I do more work about your reasoning than you do. I just demonstrated it. How can you want to express an opinion, when all your opinion is, is some fucking nonsense from a bunch of websites of lying assholes, who you KNOW are lying assholes? Don't you have ANY shame about being wrong or being used?

Most of you THINGS don't. Don't you even know what consciousness is?

socal2 says

The Al Jazeera link you clearly didn't read

No, I didn't. I hit your first link, read the article, spent a few minutes looking up how horse shit they have been, and still are:

https://apnews.com/article/international-news-europe-8b10323d2ed0e88c2f48ccd0bf6bf73e
https://apnews.com/general-news-fe23e5d8fca641dcb03ddb58c4ae2906

(those are the two I didn't use), and then did a basic math to check to see if the figures of what the "intelligence" agencies made any fucking sense (surprise! Of course they didn't, they NEVER do), then began to wonder how many US troops are stationed in Europe, found two articles that claim (who knows if that's true?) about 35,000 in Germany, and reported on that.

I'm not going through everything you post to see if it's all nonsense. I'll stop at one.

You know what fucking sucks? Because I have the ability to think, and I use it, I get punished for that. People will dismiss what I conclude without doing even the most basic thinking about it, and will insist that whatever nonsense they got from some "authoritative source", which they KNOW have lied over and over and over again, must be right. I have really really tried to treat these people as actual people, and I've been struggling not to finally divorce myself from them in the last 3 years, but the last few months, it's coming to a head. I might just break off entirely.

I'm tired of living around a bunch of meat robot NPC idiots that get OFFENDED when they are questioned about what they BELIEVE they "think", and are resentful when being shown they were actually wrong. I'm doing a fucking favor for these fucks. "Oh, I showed you were brainwashed and believed a bunch of bullshit, and were being used like a stupid whore? I'm sorry, I should have allowed you to keep getting fucked in the asshole and be treated like the little bitch you are".

"Israel wants USA to attack Iran, dragging us into war." Col. Douglas MacGregor | Redacted News

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xqkAja6C0QU

https://jameshowardkunstler.substack.com/p/vectoring-dangerously

Antony Blinken, our Secretary of State, who announced yesterday that Ukraine will get rushed into NATO ASAP. Do you understand that would mean a direct, automatic, peremptory declaration of war against Russia, requiring all of NATO — that is, their combined militaries — to go kinetic inside Ukraine and theoretically inside Russia, too, (a move that has not worked out well for anyone in all of history), because Article Five of the NATO charter states that an armed attack against one is an attack against all, and must be answered with counter-attack? Thus, you see, Mr. Blinken just announced World War Three.

You might also consider that NATO does not have the capacity to fight that war. The European members don’t have sufficient troops and equipment, or financial reserves for that matter. And there is, of course, America’s under-recruited DEI army of transsexuals and video-gamers, with equipment that has already proven inadequate on-the-ground in Ukraine, and a logistical route for delivery of all that which runs 5,000 miles across an ocean and then another continent. . . whereas our opponent (Russia) is right next door to the battlefield and churning out munitions like there is no tomorrow (which there might well not be for all concerned). Even Adolf Hitler, the last fool to attempt a conquest of Russia, wouldn’t like those odds.

And why would Russia desist from firing hypersonic missiles at Berlin, Paris, London, New York and. . . ? You get the idea. In which case the USA, backstopping NATO, would lob swarms of our nuclear missiles into Russia. . . and the whole shootin’ match ends up twenty minutes later a smoldering, civilization-ending mess. Smooth move, Tony Blinken.

Patrick says

Article Five of the NATO charter states that an armed attack against one is an attack against all, and must be answered with counter-attack?

In bold above: no such thing is stated in Article 5.

The Parties agree that an armed attack against one or more of them in Europe or North America shall be considered an attack against them all and consequently they agree that, if such an armed attack occurs, each of them, in exercise of the right of individual or collective self-defense recognized by Article 51 of the Charter of the United Nations, will assist the Party or Parties so attacked by taking forthwith, individually and in concert with the other Parties, such action as it deems necessary, including the use of armed force, to restore and maintain the security of the North Atlantic area.

So members may do or don't do whatever they like. No must be answered by a counter-attack.

For our response, we can fly over some military surgeons to perform Trans surgery on Allied troops, for example

Oh, and Ukraine is not in the North Atlantic area.

I’m fairly certain that this announcement is to ensure Russia does not stop the war against Ukraine but pushes forward to claim Kyiv and the rest of it.

After all, if you were Russia hearing that essentially as soon as Ukraine wasn’t in a war it would become a staging area for NATO missiles, what would you do?
You’d be forced to eliminate it as an independent nation.

UkraineIsTotallyFucked says

Oh, and Ukraine is not in the North Atlantic area.

Such geography did not stop Turkey, Romania, Poland or the Baltic states from joining.

HeadSet says

Such geography did not stop Turkey, Romania, Poland or the Baltic states from joining.

Poland joining NATO along with the war on former Yugoslavia was enough to get Putin in power.

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Patrick says

You might also consider that NATO does not have the capacity to fight that war. The European members don’t have sufficient troops and equipment, or financial reserves for that matter.

Huh? Provided the goal was just to expel Russian troops from Ukrainian land, NATO (i.e. US) airpower alone would mop the floor of Russian invasion troops! Russian front lines and artillery sites would be taken out in less than a week and Ukrainian troops could roll right through.

Have you all forgotten how crazy advanced and better Western airpower is than everyone else? Especially against conventional and entrenched targets?

Russia has been pinned down for over 2 years in the same front lines against a smaller weaker Ukrainian army that doesn't even have a freaking air force.

Russia has numbers, but they have been massively attrited over the last 3 years and are currently getting worked by $1,000 drones.

socal2 says

Huh? Provided the goal was just to expel Russian troops from Ukrainian land, NATO (i.e. US) airpower alone would mop the floor of Russian invasion troops! Russian front lines and artillery sites would be taken out in less than a week and Ukrainian troops could roll right through.

Holy Shit.

Plz tell us you are only shiposting here. Trolling.

You believe all that complete bullshit you just wrote?

socal2 says

Russia has numbers, but they have been massively attrited over the last 3 years and are currently getting worked by $1,000 drones.

More bullshit. It's the Ukeys that have been massively attritted, not the Russians.

Wow. Just wow.

You related to.this one?

https://patrick.net/comment?comment_id=2052198

UkraineIsTotallyFucked says

Holy Shit.

Plz tell us you are only shiposting here. Trolling.

You believe all that complete bullshit you just wrote?

I believe everything I write.

You actually think Russia's air force could stand a chance against NATO's let alone the US? What does Russia have in its arsenal (other than nuking the planet) that could stop US air power from wiping out Russia's front lines and artillery sites in Ukraine?

FFS - 3 years on, Russia still hasn't controlled the airspace in Ukraine and that is why they have been mired in WWI trench warfare achieving nothing but dead Russians and Ukrainians.

There are still a few major things the US military is really good at - and that is air power.

socal2 says

believing there is a "Satanist Pedo Joo" around every corner.

Isn't one enough???

Oh. I thought you said "Satanist Pedo Joe".

socal2 says

Have you all forgotten how crazy advanced and better Western airpower is than everyone else? Especially against conventional and entrenched targets?

Why did the US lose in Afghanistan?

richwicks says

Why did the US lose in Afghanistan?

Again, you're older and probably haven't talked to boots on the ground vets. It was a police force with little conflict. We never went in with the attempt to "win" something. Thats been known for a decade. Afghani's liked US troops. The Taliban hated US troops. Your average Afghan had zero issues with Americans being there. I know two friends/vets very well that said it was nothing and the locals liked them. They still have Afghan friends they communicate with.

Bush, Obama and Trump all went to Afghanistan. You don't send a sitting POTUS there if it's remotely dangerous. Biden fucked up the withdrawal and made Afghani's look horrible even though they're not. We all know it was Saudis. The deaths within Afghanistan were mostly local conflict. We didn't just carpet bomb civilians.

You need to get out of the house and talk to people that are in the know. You clearly don't.

As Ukraine continues to lose men, battles and equipment ...

Hungary’s President Viktor Orbán: “NATO Is Sliding Towards War.”

On Friday, the AP reported that Hungarian Prime Minister Viktor Orbán told members of his Fidesz party at the closed-door event in Budapest that the continent is on the brink. He described the EU as an oppressive force that had made its member countries active participants in the war in Ukraine.

This is what the AP reported but they left a lot out:

“They see the war as their own war, and they fight it as if it’s their own war,” Orbán said of EU leaders. No EU country has engaged its soldiers in the war in Ukraine.

“The leadership in Brussels has to go,” Orbán said. “It does not deserve another chance. There must be change in Brussels.”

The long-serving Orbán goes into June’s EU elections facing significant challenges at home and abroad. He faces the recent resignations of senior Hungarian officials and a battered economy struggling under the weight of billions in funding the EU has withheld from Hungary allegedly over rule-of-law and corruption concerns.

More here: https://www.independentsentinel.com/hungarys-president-viktor-orban-nato-is-sliding-towards-war/

Yawn, pedo Orban thinks that Mongoloig horde sloowly oozing westwars and making tacticsl gains at a speed of 18 ft per week is "winning battlles". I can't believe there is nobody in Hungarian military capable of explaining the difference. Does he pretend to be that stupid? To what end?

WookieMan says

Again, you're older and probably haven't talked to boots on the ground vets. It was a police force with little conflict. We never went in with the attempt to "win" something.

We went there to put in a pipeline between the Caspian Sea, through Turkmenistan then Afghanistan (which gasp wanted money for it!) and then exiting through Pakistan. How do I know this?

Dick Cheney said it in 1998 in front of the CATO institute.

https://survivorbb.rapeutation.com/viewtopic.php?f=58&t=3371
https://wsarch.ucr.edu/wsnmail/2001/msg01521.html

Do the Afghans know this? NO. Maybe there were other reasons, probably were, sure the MIC loved it, of course, they always love war.

Oh and look, both posts are before September 11, 2001. Gee, why would I possibly think that 9/11 was a setup? I mean, they did find the passport of one of the terrorists in perfect condition a few blocks away, who would question that after it went through a fireball, was somehow torn out of a pocket maybe, went through all that furniture and wreckage, and somebody just found it! What luck!

There was a plan ALREADY IN PLACE to go into Afghanistan, if they just had an excuse.. Which they did, in Rebuilding America's Defenses which was released by PNAC on September 10, 2000.

https://archive.org/details/RebuildingAmericasDefenses

Page 51, first full paragraph on the page:

Further, the process of transformation, even if it brings revolutionary change, is likely to be a long one, absent some catastrophic and catalyzing event - like a new Pearl Harbor. Domestic politics and industrial policy will shape the pace and content of transformation as much as the requirement of current missions.

Oh, and who was PNAC? Well imagine my shock!

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Project_for_the_New_American_Century

It's our good friend (now "Democrat") William Kristol who is always lying about foreign policy and Robert Kagan, the husband of the wonderful Victoria Nuland. I wonder why they have different last names, like you wouldn't want to know they are husband and wife.

Oh, but these people don't conspire or talk to one another. Our "free media" would talk about if it were true, SOMEBODY would be able to connect the dots. Yeah, people have. Doesn't do any good.

WookieMan says

You need to get out of the house and talk to people that are in the know. You clearly don't.

The only people in the know are obsessive dipshits like me that spend years collecting this information, and a FEW people in intelligence that care to put the puzzle pieces together and if they do, can't talk about it and the people pulling the strings.

Deary me! If I could only get out more and talk to a regular mechanic or farmer or soldier in Afghanistan - they know what is going on, just like AMERICANS do. You knew all this right?

Like you know the Emad Salem was an Egyptian intelligence agent implanted into the group that bombed the WTC in 1993 by the FIB, who WARNED THEM, the group was about to bomb something in NYC. You know that right?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Emad_Salem

I mean, you're going to read everything I sent, every link, verify I'm not full of shit, and not just posting random crap and find out for yourself that I am indeed telling you the truth? No. There's a conspiracy right in front of you, explained in detail - who cares? Let them do it again - and they will. Maybe talk to my congressman or representative, that will help!!

They attempted to prosecute Emad Salem as a co-conspirator, even though he worked for the FBI, even though he warned the FBI. They were going to, then he started releasing audio tapes he had containing conversations with his FBI handler. He was just paranoid, right?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZGer6t3SD6I

Oh no, it's been deleted! It's almost like youtube deletes information to prevent discovery of anything, or confirmation. I have the video, should I post it?


original link

It doesn't matter. Who cares? All it amounts to is a bunch effort to show to cattle that don't care. So 3,000 people got horribly murdered on that day, and then all the first responders died of horrible diseases and we went on to 2 decades of fruitless wars, spending trillions, killing millions. What does that matter? Why learn anything about history, let's just repeat it!

I mean, our nation is in such great shape, and besides, let's talk about drag time story hour and 2SLGBTQ+ BS, and whether men should be able to compete in women's sports, and other really important things. That's what the man on the street knows, all they are concerned about, like it's some sort of psy-op distraction - and so maybe a bunch of kids get their lives ruined and sterilize themselves, kill themselves later, as long as you're distracted that's all that matters.

Do you think our actual rulers give a shit if kids transgender to the opposite sex, or if they have abortions, or anything? They are psychopaths. I bet if I talk to one of those psychopath's functionaries, they will listen and think "wow, I should rethink what I've been doing for the last 20 years while I made 100 million dollars on insider trading as a representative". Information is 3 decades old, and 0.001% of the population that ISN'T a sociopath in government or controlling it, cares. I don't get the government I deserve, YOU do. I have the government you deserve.

I would love to have somebody check over my thinking and explain "well, this is why you're wrong", nobody does. People who agree, are silent, people who disagree, they don't have a reason to disagree, they just can't imagine it's this bad. It probably isn't this bad, it's probably much worse.

This is NUCLEAR madness and Putin isn’t bluffing | Redacted with Clayton Morris

"This weekend Poland took the unbelievable next step in bringing long-range tactical nuclear weapons to Russia’s doorstep. Putin says these nukes would be 'priority targets'. The West is agitating for nuclear war. In today's video we're going over the latest weekend developments between NATO and Russia."

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1V2ObhYX4nw

RayAmerica says

This is NUCLEAR madness and Putin isn’t bluffing | Redacted with Clayton Morris

Bullshit. I grew up under threats of global warming, thermo nuclear war, acid rain, rain forrest depletion, ozone layer depletion, ocean level rising, ocean acidification, polar bears starving, the end of winter in the UK .....

Constant alarmism. It's all fake and gay designed to sap your energy.

Enjoy the last bullshit, our "pandemic"? We nearly all died!!!!!

You are constantly misdirected to fake emergencies. We never address real ones, and never have in all my life

Warmonger Lindsey Graham Suggests Dropping Nuclear Bombs on Iran and Palestine to Protect Israel (VIDEO)



https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2024/05/warmonger-lindsey-graham-suggests-dropping-nuclear-bombs-iran/

Senator Graham responded, “When you’re telling the world you’re going to restrict weapons delivery to the Jewish state who is fighting a three-front war for their survival, it emboldens Iran, it emboldens Hamas.”

“Historians would say, why is it okay for Reagan to do it and not President Biden?” said Welker.

Graham answered, “Why is it okay for America to drop two nuclear bombs on Hiroshima and Nagasaki to end their existential threat war? Why was it okay for us to do that? I thought it was okay. To Israel, do whatever you have to do to survive, again, military officials say the technology has changed.”

Last December, Graham also told FOX News that now is the time to “Hit Iran… Blow it off the map.”

Lindsey Graham: “I’ve been saying for six months now, hit Iran. They have oil fields out in the open. They have the Revolutionary Guard headquarters you can see from space. Blow it off the map.”

This is the same neocon senator who wanted war with nuclear Russia and wanted Putin eliminated.

Lindsey wants his war with Russia.

Back in March, he called for the assassination of Vladimir Putin. The man is dangerous.

This is a pretty big story because of who it is that is saying this; the head of state of a major European nation:

NATO ‘preparing for war’ with Russia – Orban

Hungary is reassessing its role within the bloc as it has no wish to take part in a conflict against Moscow, the PM has said

What is happening today in Brussels and Washington… looks like warming up for a possible direct military conflict. We can safely call it the preparation of Europe’s entry into the war,” Orban said, adding that there are working groups within NATO that are assessing the best ways for the bloc to further boost its participation in the conflict.

He warned that the end result of these actions could be a direct conflict between the EU, NATO, and Russia – a “grim prospect,” as the conflict would involve nuclear powers.

https://www.rt.com/news/598168-hungary-nato-role-orban/

Checking the size and capabilities of HU military... Yep, looks pretty pathetic. Let's kick these useless fucks out and let the Nazis make a lampshade out of pedo Orban's hide, BWAHAHAHAHA.

Doesn't look like Russia's latest offensive gained much ground despite the massive cost of life and treasure.

Putin is now floating a ceasefire?

https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/putin-wants-ukraine-ceasefire-current-frontlines-sources-say-2024-05-24/?user_email=9221ee7abe270ab223573151740e716ce0656f3ec929fe5dae96dc544f3aa663

socal2 says

Doesn't look like Russia's latest offensive gained much ground despite the massive cost of life and treasure.

Putin is now floating a ceasefire?

https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/putin-wants-ukraine-ceasefire-current-frontlines-sources-say-2024-05-24/?user_email=9221ee7abe270ab223573151740e716ce0656f3ec929fe5dae96dc544f3aa663

ALWAYS ASK FOR A CEASEFIRE WHEN YOU'RE WINNING BIGLY! ALWAYS!!!!

Yes, Socal2, any day now, Putin will be surrendering to the masterful battle commander Zelensky.

Maybe Putin is running low on those 'Chinese Golf Carts' that you claim the Russians are now using?

No sane person starts out thinking 'let's start a world war.' That's not what happened when WW I began, at it didn't happen in WW II. What happens, is that once tensions begin to escalate, matters take on a life of their own and eventually spin out of control. More and more, I'm feeling that this is exactly what is happening now ...

Poland and Baltic Countries Prepare To Send Troops Into Ukraine if Russia Makes a Strategic Breakthrough: REPORT (from Gateway Pundit)

Against the backdrop of continuing Russian advances, some Western leaders have started to advocate missile strikes inside Russian territory, from NATO’s Secretary General Jens Stoltenberg up to chief warmonger, former British Premier Boris Johnson:



Now, some European neighboring countries have started preparing to introduce their troops into Ukraine in case of strategic Russian advances in Eastern Ukraine.

The Baltic states and Poland have warned Germany that they could send troops to Ukraine if the situation gets noticeably worse for Kiev due to its allies being reluctant to supply it with weapons.

Reported by Der Spiegel:

“If the Russians succeed in a strategic breakthrough in eastern Ukraine because the West is reluctant to help Kiev, the situation could escalate sharply. In this case, the Baltic countries and Poland will not wait for Russian troops to deploy on their borders, Baltic politicians warn, they will send troops themselves to Ukraine."

That would make NATO a party to the conflict—exactly what German Chancellor Olaf Scholz and US President Joe Biden fear.

More here: https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2024/05/poland-baltic-countries-prepare-send-troops-ukraine-if/

Remember when practically everyone said that Putin was bluffing when he innitially threatened to invade Ukraine? I personally get the feeling that Putin and the Russians are not in the bluffing business, and, it is highly doubtful that Suslov's article was written and published without Putin's approval:

Dmitry Suslov: It’s time for Russia to drop a nuclear bomb

The US-led bloc has lost its fear of the mushroom cloud, but seeing one would perhaps focus some minds

By Dmitry Suslov, member of the Russian Council on Foreign and Defense Policy, deputy director of World Economy and International Politics at Moscow’s Higher School of Economics, and Valdai Club expert.

There’s every indication that the US and several of its allies may soon allow Ukraine to use Western weapons, including long-range missiles, to attack targets located within – how do we put this? – Russia’s internationally recognized borders. Or those that existed before the 2014 Maidan in Kiev.

In America, as the New York Times recently reported, backers of the idea include Secretary of State Antony Blinken, most Republicans in Congress (including the Speaker of the House, Mike Johnson), and many members of the foreign policy establishment, including Victoria Nuland, who recently resigned as deputy secretary of state. In Europe, Poland, the Baltic states, Germany’s main opposition party, the CDU/CSU, and some Western European figures, including the head of the UK Foreign Office, David Cameron, are agitating for the measure.

Recently, NATO Secretary General Jens Stoltenberg made a similar appeal, but he would not have made such statements if the issue had not already been considered on a practical level and had not received substantial support from Washington. It has already come to the point where the topic has been discussed at the level of the heads of defense ministries of EU member states.

Such a decision would take the conflict to a fundamentally different level, would mean the erasure of one of the brightest “red lines” that has existed since February 24, 2022, and signal the direct entry of the US and its NATO bloc into the war against Russia. Indeed, the strikes would be carried out on the basis of coordinates provided by Western intelligence systems; the decisions on these strikes would be taken by Western military officers (the media has repeatedly relayed confessions from Ukrainian military officers that every case of Western missile use is coordinated in advance by Western military advisers); and even the button would probably be pressed directly by Western military officers. It is no coincidence that German Chancellor Olaf Scholz justifies his reluctance to transfer Taurus missiles on the grounds that they would have to be operated by German, not Ukrainian, military personnel.

This is why denying Kiev such a right was the main condition for providing it with military aid and one of the main principles of Western involvement in the conflict from the very beginning.

There are at least two reasons why the West is now discussing abandoning this principle. The first and main one is the increasingly difficult position of the Ukrainian army on the battlefield. Don’t forget that NATO leaders have been saying throughout that the outcome is of existential importance not only for Ukraine, but also for themselves, as it will determine the nature of the new world order. In other words, the West itself has given the Ukrainian conflict the status of a World War, and therefore Kiev’s defeat will mean its own strategic defeat, the final collapse of the Western-centered international order. Accordingly, the worse the situation for Kiev at the front, the greater the risks of escalation that the West is willing to take.

The second reason is Russia’s unwillingness to escalate relations with the West each time it crossed a ‘red line’ and became more involved in the conflict (supplying Kiev with tanks, aircraft and, eventually, long-range missiles). As a result, the fear of escalation, which was relatively high at the beginning of the military operation, has gradually diminished, as Western publications have repeatedly pointed out.

Thus, the West has come to believe that the cost of Kiev’s defeat is far greater than the risks of a direct military confrontation with Russia, as a result of allowing Western weapons to strike deep into its ‘old’ territory. The voices of those who argue that even this time Moscow will not inflict direct military damage on Western countries are growing louder.

This logic can inevitably lead to World War III. And if the West’s further involvement in the conflict in Ukraine is not stopped now, a full-scale “hot” war between Russia and NATO will become inevitable. Moreover, due to the superiority of the US and its 31 NATO members in the field of conventional weapons, this war will inevitably move to the nuclear level.

In a few months (or maybe even weeks), the same logic will be applied to stationing regular Western troops in Ukraine and then starting to shoot down Russian missiles over it. The Kiev regime has been making these proposals more and more insistently of late.

According to even the current Russian nuclear doctrine (certainly a ‘peacetime’ doctrine in need of tightening), such a scenario would amount to official grounds for the use of nuclear weapons.

There is only one way to prevent such a catastrophic development of events: a sharp increase in Moscow’s policy of deterrence and intimidation. The option of ‘freezing’ military operations along the current line of demarcation without any political conditions for Kiev and modalities for its security relations with the West is completely unacceptable.

Some political forces in the West are increasingly advocating this and threatening escalation in the event of our refusal. But this option is categorically undesirable for us, because it means even greater militarization of what’s left of Ukraine and its even closer military integration with the West. This would herald the emergence of an even bigger threat on Russia’s borders than existed before 2022.

Instead, we should first tell the US and NATO roughly what Moscow already told London after David Cameron’s words about Ukraine’s right to strike anywhere with British Storm Shadow missiles. Namely, that in the event of an attack on ‘old’ Russian territory, Moscow reserves the right to strike any facilities of the countries concerned, including the US, anywhere in the world. There are many American military bases dotted around the globe.

Secondly, it is important to officially declare that if the US/NATO launches a non-nuclear strike on Russian territory in response to such a Russian strike, Moscow may in turn use nuclear weapons – in full accordance with the ‘Fundamentals of Russian State Policy in the Field of Nuclear Deterrence’.

Thirdly, since there has been talk of possible attacks not only on British but also on American facilities (and of a possible direct military response from the US), it would be desirable to hold exercises on the use of strategic nuclear forces in addition to the current exercises on the use of tactical weapons.

Finally, to confirm the seriousness of Russia’s intentions and to convince our adversaries of Moscow’s willingness to escalate, it is worth considering a demonstration (i.e. non-aggressive) nuclear explosion. The political and psychological effect of an atomic mushroom cloud, broadcast live on all the world’s television channels, will hopefully bring back to Western politicians the one thing that prevented wars between the great powers after 1945, and which they have now largely lost – the fear of nuclear war.

This article was first published by Profile.ru, translated and edited by the RT team
https://www.rt.com/russia/598488-us-russia-nuclear-bomb/

Good films to watch as we observe the coming apocalypse:

Threads
When the Wind Blows
Testament
The Day After
On the Beach
Dr. Strangelove
Failsafe (this is a cheat - Global Thermonuclear War is averted - in the same vein - War Games)

Ranked in order of how I personally believe how good they are.

stereotomy says

Good films to watch as we observe the coming apocalypse:

Threads
When the Wind Blows
Testament
The Day After
On the Beach
Dr. Strangelove
Failsafe (this is a cheat - Global Thermonuclear War is averted - in the same vein - War Games)

Ranked in order of how I personally believe how good they are.

Jericho was ok.

stereotomy says

Good films to watch as we observe the coming apocalypse:

Threads
When the Wind Blows
Testament
The Day After
On the Beach
Dr. Strangelove
Failsafe (this is a cheat - Global Thermonuclear War is averted - in the same vein - War Games)

This is absolutely essential apocalyptic viewing:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_vD9ergWghk

We're moving closer and closer to a direct confrontation with Russia:

Biden secretly gave Ukraine permission to strike inside Russia with US weapons

From Politico:

"It’s a stunning shift the administration initially said would escalate the war by more directly involving the U.S. in the fight. But worsening conditions for Ukraine on the battlefield –– namely Russia’s advances and improved position in Kharkiv –– led the president to change his mind."

https://www.politico.com/news/2024/05/30/biden-ukraine-weapons-strike-russia-00160731

RayAmerica says

We're moving closer and closer to a direct confrontation with Russia:

That was always the Globalista plan. Trump in theory having 1. the nuke football and codes 2. the comms (Starlink) 3. the field commanders, then the brinksmanship that was supposed to have been implemented by IHLlary to start WWIII, according to the Gnostic Woosters, instead will deliver a near death experience that will allow Trump to marshal some kind of leverage over the situation. What that might be, I suppose, is part of the popcorn and the hopium. Or, if you see the mushroom clouds, don't bother to run, just hope it's quick.

RayAmerica says

"It’s a stunning shift the administration initially said would escalate the war by more directly involving the U.S. in the fight. But worsening conditions for Ukraine on the battlefield –– namely Russia’s advances and improved position in Kharkiv –– led the president to change his mind."

Putin upped the ante leading to the November election.

Paradoxically, Obama (whose staffers are now in the Birdbrain Biden admin) did not want to arm Ukraine, and Trump gave them Javelin and Stinger missiles which proved effective in the first few months of Russian's invasion.

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AD says

Paradoxically, Obama (whose staffers are now in the Birdbrain Biden admin) did not want to arm Ukraine, and Trump gave them Javelin and Stinger missiles which proved effective in the first few months of Russian's invasion.

Nothing paradoxicall about it. Remember "Tell Blyadimir I'll be more flexible after the election"? Cucknig to the Soviets/Chinese at every turn was his SOP.

WW3 WATCH: Kremlin Warns U.S. of ‘Fatal Consequences’ as Biden Greenlights Missile Strikes on Russian Mainland

Senior aides within the Biden administration are moving towards supporting the use of American missiles to strike targets inside Russia.

According to a report from POLITICO, two senior administration officials have “opened the door” to reversing the current policy, which prohibits the Ukrainian military from firing missiles directly at targets within the Russian mainland.

The report states:

The move, if made, would come as European allies, lawmakers and Ukrainian officials exert pressure on the White House to lift the restrictions, and as Russia has made major advances on the battlefield. It also suggests that President Joe Biden and his team are increasingly worried about Kyiv’s ability to fend off Russia’s attacks, especially its latest advance in Ukraine’s second-largest city of Kharkiv.

Secretary of State Antony Blinken signaled the possible change during a visit to Moldova when pressed by reporters. A “hallmark” of the Biden administration’s approach toward Ukraine since Russia launched its full-scale invasion two years ago “has been to adapt as the conditions have changed, as the battlefield has changed, as what Russia does has changed.”

“We’ve adapted and adjusted, too, and we’ll continue to do that,” he continued.

Shortly afterward, National Security Council spokesperson John Kirby, while stating that there’s “no change” in the current policy that says Ukraine can’t use U.S.-supplied weapons to strike inside Russian territory, also noted that America’s “support to Ukraine has evolved appropriately.”
The apparent shift comes just days after Secretary-General of NATO, Jens Stoltenberg, indicated his support for lifting the ban despite the obvious risks of escalation that propels the world into a Third World War.

“I think the time has come for allies to consider whether they should lift some of the restrictions they are put on the use of weapons they have donated to Ukraine because, especially now when a lot the fighting is going on in Kharkiv, close to the border,” Stoltenberg said.

“To deny Ukraine the possibility of using these weapons against legitimate military targets on Russian territory makes it very hard for them to defend themselves.”

Earlier this month, the Ukrainian government sent a delegation to Washington with a view to persuading the Biden regime to reverse the ban. David Arahamiya, a Ukrainian MP who led the delegation, said that the current U.S. policy was a form of insanity.

“It’s like if somebody were to attack Washington, D.C., from the Virginia state, and you say we’re not going to hit Virginia for some reason,” he said. “It’s crazy. Military people, like generals, they don’t understand. So they are pushing us as politicians, like stop [the policy] this is insane.”

According to a recent report from Reuters, Russian President Vladimir Putin is willing to agree on a ceasefire in Ukraine along current battle lines. However, the U.S. and other NATO is currently no signs of taking him up on that offer.

https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2024/05/ww3-watch-senior-biden-officials-signal-openness-allowing/

RayAmerica says

“It’s like if somebody were to attack Washington, D.C., from the Virginia state, and you say we’re not going to hit Virginia for some reason,

Odd comparison. So, he is implying that Ukraine is a part of Russia that is acting rouge?