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Those mighty Ukrainian pensions are about $65 per month per person. They are less if the recipients are married.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pensions_in_Ukraine

cisTits says

The U.S. is $32 trillion in debt and inflation, which is crushing American families, continues to rage.

Who is being crushed? There's inflation for sure. Had our best income year by $50k over the last with all the Covid bull shit. So a loaf of bread is 0.50¢ higher. The horror. Gonna miss my mortgage payment. Lol. The poor will almost always be poor. Make more money.

Also who is going to collect our debt and how? They can't, even if it's US investors. The debt is never getting repaid. The world knows this. Russia is looking weaker than a 3rd world country, which they are. Who is coming for the money? China is toast. If our leaders do the right thing and bring manufacturing back here which under both Trump and Biden has been happening, we're fine. Not perfect. We're in the best position to kick anyone's ass and no one has the ability to destroy us. And no, Russia can't do shit. Maybe a token nuke that hits the states. We'd survive.

WookieMan says

Who is being crushed? There's inflation for sure. Had our best income year by $50k over the last with all the Covid bull shit. So a loaf of bread is 0.50¢ higher. The horror.

What a fucking asshole you are.

You don't know anybody that is in blue collar do you?

You are the true useless eaters. What do you produce?

WookieMan says

Also who is going to collect our debt and how? They can't, even if it's US investors. The debt is never getting repaid.

That's right. What will happen is the dollar will become COMPLETELY worthless. This will lead to end of credit, which will make shipping and supply logistics impossible. So, when this happened in Argentina farmers suddenly started driving Fiats and Porches. Cities didn't burn, but a lawyer was making an equivalent of $800 a MONTH and this was 20 years ago and this wasn't after a currency collapse, it was just massive inflation and a sharp contraction in availability of credit.

richwicks says

You don't know anybody that is in blue collar do you?

I personally am. So that goes out the window. I'm done with my real estate days. I make less as an individual than probably most of you here. My job(s) are not glorious. It allows me to be with my kids while my wife destroys weak men that can't match her and have weak responses like these.

Jesus. You boys need to grow up and understand life ain't fair. None of these comments make any sense. Sorry I got a chick that can make money and likes to fuck me. I make blue collar money currently. Oh well. My family, life and personality seem substantially better than yours. Genuinely hope you get it figured out.

You guys need to get the fuck out of California and see the world for what it is. You're living a shit life and bitching at others that are winning. Look in the mirror and think. Like actually think. I can't help you if you don't listen. Not sure I'd want to help you. I get times are hard, seems likely they're hard for you. I'm compassionate. I'm sorry it sucks. Work through it. But don't attack me. That isn't gonna work for you.

LOL! Did rw call WookieMan a useless eater? Double LOL!

WookieMan says

I'm done with my real estate days. I make less as an individual than probably most of you here. My job(s) are not glorious. It allows me to be with my kids while my wife destroys weak men that can't match her and have weak responses like these.

No idea what your wife does, but with higher inflation and higher crime rate, her job (or even life) might cease to exist. Our current financial system requires other countries to recycle their trade surplus through buying US Treasury bonds. While gradual transition to domestic production is inevitable, the process may well result in many high paying women's keyboard jobs get wiped out or having their pay drastically reduced in comparison to factory jobs (after all, the numerical number is meaningless, but what the pay can buy in terms of finished goods and services is of paramount importance).

The topic of this thread however is about the political crime families laundering money through foreign aid while robbing Americans taxpayers blind (treasury notes are borrowed in the name of American taxpayers, regardless it will eventually be paid back or not; even if not to be paid back in the future, American taxpayers would be better off currently if we don't have to subsidize foreign criminals for them to launder money back to domestic criminals who then use the money to outbid you in the market place here). I'm befuddled by your defense of those who are robbing you.

Misc says

Those mighty Ukrainian pensions are about $65 per month per person.

Why don't they start a telethon or something for these poor people?

They could have Sally Struthers say, "For just $65 dollars a month you can support an individual Ukrainian. If you call now we will send you a picture of the person you are helping."



The woke will eat it up!

Onvacation says

They could have Sally Struthers say, "For just $65 dollars a month you can support an individual Ukrainian. If you call now we will send you a picture of the person you are helping."

The International Fellowship of Christian and Jews have a 30 minute television commercial about assisting Jewish people in Ukraine. From what I can tell, most are very elderly and live far west of the Dnipro river.

Some of them are Holocaust survivors. Looks like they don't want to move and want to live out in their rural homes.

My Ukrainian-born wife said the Jewish population is mostly in west Ukraine.

Glad to see though that the commercial mentioned they do have local social services people helping these elderly Ukrainians.

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I was glad my wife flew to Warsaw and her Russian-ethnic mom was able to take a bus from Kiev to Warsaw. My mother in law wanted to stay in her eastern Kiev condo or in her village home outside Uman, but my wife was able to convince her to stay with us while she has Temporary Protected Status.

But you all are right, my mother in law had a pension of about $100 a month in Ukraine. I think here are other pension benefits like utilities subsidy, public transportation subsidy, public health care, etc. But my mother in law said she was able to survive comfortably on that.

My wife said for $2 you can get a large meal at Kentucky Fried Chicken across from my mother in law's eastern Kiev condo building.

I read China is going to publicly propose a peace plan tomorrow for Russia and Ukraine. I say take the peace plan, and let Russia occupy Dombas and Crimea. Put in UN observers on the ground just like they have them at the Ukraine nuclear power plant.

I don't think the other areas (even heavily Russian speaking) like Kharkiv and even Sumy want to be Kremlin occupied.

ad says

The International Fellowship of Christian and Jews have a 30 minute television commercial about assisting Jewish people in Ukraine.

Yes, the Jewish people are worth saving, not that chattle.

ad says

Glad to see though that the commercial mentioned they do have local social services people helping these elderly Ukrainians.

Ukrainian JEWS, not Ukrainians in general.

Just Jews.

They're not racist at all.

If there's another breach in the dyke on New Orleans and I setup a ran a 30 minute commercial to assist white anglo-saxon protestants that were affected by the 2nd disaster (after Katrina), I'm certain nobody would find that the least be bigoted or racist at all.

Although I'm sure the ADL and the Southern Poverty Law Center would be screaming about it. They wouldn't say a thing if it was a charity just to help Jewish people affected there. They're not bigots or Jewish supremacists.

richwicks says

Ukrainian JEWS, not Ukrainians in general.

They are helping Ukrainians also, but they focus on Jewish elderly people who are in poverty due to neglect, not having a support family structure, etc.

The intent is to help them so they don't feel wiped away given what has happened over the ages and during the Nazi invasion and Soviet pograms.

Governor Mike Huckabee is in the video "Forgotten Jews" which is about Jewish refugees in Ukraine: https://www.ifcj.org/tv

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ad says

richwicks says

Ukrainian JEWS, not Ukrainians in general.

They are helping Ukrainians also, but they focus on Jewish elderly people who are in poverty due to neglect, not having a support family structure, etc.

The intent is to help them so they don't feel wiped away given what has happened over the ages and during the Nazi invasion and Soviet pograms.

Governor Mike Huckabee is in the video "Forgotten Jews" which is about Jewish refugees in Ukraine: https://www.ifcj.org/tv

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Look, it's bullshit that people selectively help people based on race. It's just pure bullshit.

Norman Finkelstein wrote a book called "the Holocaust Industry", and that's just what it is.

What I was taught to believe, and DO believe, is that no one person is better or worse than another. We're different, but it doesn't imply superiority or inferiority.

When I was younger and (quite a bit) stupider I thought more highly educated people were more important than less educated people. That was childish thinking. The "highly educated" are generally the most useless, even the most damaging, in our society. The last 3 years proved that. Who told you the vaccines were safe and effective? Who urged you relentlessly to take an untested serum for a disease that had a 99.8% survivability rate across the ENTIRE population - from 1 to 100? Highly educated twats, that either didn't know what they were talking about (possibly?) were lying to you.

Now why should a certain RELIGIOUS and possibly ETHNIC group have higher priority? Jewish people can move to Israel any goddamned time they want with Israeli government assistance.

It's just a grift. I doubt a single penny makes it to Ukraine. It will go to Israel, and they will decide what to do with the funds.

Yeah, but US$ go a long way in Ukraine, as depicted in this video:
https://youtu.be/YW5LUzd4lsg
Skip to the 2 minute mark.

cisTits says

Yup. I called this one too: Americans Are Paying for Pensions in Ukraine

I thought this was a joke or exaggeration, then I read it today. The creative ways the government comes up with to launder money...

Misc says

Those mighty Ukrainian pensions are about $65 per month per person. They are less if the recipients are married.

First off, it's not really going to those people. If you don't understand the corruption factory between US and Ukraine at this point, I can't help you.

Second, what's $65 times a few million people...

WookieMan says

Who is being crushed?

When you see more homeless, more people on welfare, more people working two jobs. Inflation starts at the bottom, but eventually it will eat you too. We also had a record year last year by our tax returns, but it will never be enough to stay ahead if things continue unchecked.

I've lived in blue-collar neighborhoods, and seen them decline for years now. It's the reason Trump won.

We are not paying for anything: we're simply borrowing at 0% from the frozen CCCP's assets which will ultimately belong to Ukraine as reparations for the illegal war being waged against it. So ultimately CCCP is paying for the whole covfefe entirely by their own choice.

WookieMan says

cisTits says

The U.S. is $32 trillion in debt and inflation, which is crushing American families, continues to rage.

Who is being crushed? Their's inflation for sure. Had our best income year by $50k over the last with all the Covid bull shit. So a loaf of bread is 0.50¢ higher. The horror. Gonna miss my mortgage payment. Lol. The poor will almost always be poor. Make more money.

make more money… if people could they would. see man you live in a world that worships money not jesus, where prevalent attitude is that poor deserve their poverty. it aint so and it ain’t right. inflation is crushing a lot of people. my neighbor hunts for food, he can’t afford to buy meat. this is america, not some third world nation. because constantly ever increasing cost of living crushing people… fee this, fee that, tax this, tax that… it adds up fast.

you well off, well good for you, but it isn’t easy for everyone. take your success with humility, for it isn’t a guarantee

RWSGFY says

We are not paying for anything: we're simply borrowing at 0% from the frozen CCCP's assets which will ultimately belong to Ukraine as reparations for the illegal war being waged against it. So ultimately CCCP is paying for the whole covfefe entirely by their own choice

Yep, about $300 billion has been seized from Russian investors, etc. by the West after the invasion of Ukraine. It cost about $50 billion each in 2022 and 2023 for the US to fund Ukraine. Withdraw that $100 billion from the $300 billion in assets seized.

https://www.nytimes.com/2023/03/24/business/economy/ukraine-seize-russian-assets.html

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ad says

Yep, about $300 billion has been seized from Russian investors, etc. by the West after the invasion of Ukraine. It cost about $50 billion each in 2022 and 2023 for the US to fund Ukraine. Withdraw that $100 billion from the $300 billion in assets seized.

Is there something in the appropriations bills that stipulate the money being sent to Ukraine is strictly sourced from seized Russian government and Russian citizen's assets? No? Then the source of the funding is the US taxpayer.

HeadSet says

ad says

Yep, about $300 billion has been seized from Russian investors, etc. by the West after the invasion of Ukraine. It cost about $50 billion each in 2022 and 2023 for the US to fund Ukraine. Withdraw that $100 billion from the $300 billion in assets seized.

Is there something in the appropriations bills that stipulate the money being sent to Ukraine is strictly sourced from seized Russian government and Russian citizen's assets? No? Then the source of the funding is the US taxpayer.

Who gives a fuck about technicalities? These $300B+ are not going back to the cretin of Moscow. He's paying for this little adventure 100% (and then some).

Also:

WASHINGTON, May 10 (Reuters) - U.S. Attorney General Merrick Garland has authorized the first transfer of forfeited Russian assets for use in Ukraine, he said on Wednesday.

The Justice Department last year charged Russian oligarch Konstantin Malofeyev with violating sanctions imposed on Russia after its invasion of Ukraine, saying he provided financing for Russians promoting separatism in Crimea.

At that time, Garland said, he also announced "the seizure of millions of dollars from an account at a U.S. financial institution traceable to Malofeyev’s sanctions violations."

In February, Garland said he authorized the transfer of that money for use in Ukraine.

"While this represents the United States’ first transfer of forfeited Russian funds for the rebuilding of Ukraine," Garland said, "it will not be the last,” he said in a statement.

I fucking told you it won't be us paying these pensions. Mark my words.

Yes, and I suppose Russia hasn't touched any Western assets in Russia because they are such nice guys? Seizure of assets could yield some profits if the assets of theirs you hold are greater than your assets they hold, but all in all, that can be close to a zero sum game. It sounds like another propaganda excuse to fund Ukraine, like the delusion that Ukraine is somehow funding itself. Straight from Mockingbird to our ears?

Eric Holder says

Who gives a fuck about technicalities? These $300B+ are not going back to the cretin of Moscow. He's paying for this little adventure 100% (and then some).

I don't know why you believe any claims of the US government. This is the same government that did a 200 billion dollar deal with Rosatom to sell US uranium.

Yuuuuuuge relief for all who worried about paying these pensions:



Write your representatives and urge them to push it through asap. If you are really worried about US taxpayers footing the bill for that Soviet aggression and not something else, that is.

ad says

But you all are right, my mother in law had a pension of about $100 a month in Ukraine. I think here are other pension benefits like utilities subsidy, public transportation subsidy, public health care, etc. But my mother in law said she was able to survive comfortably on that.

So Ukraine is a retirees paradise!

10 PERCENT FOR THE BIG GURL!!!!

EU chief Von der Leyen: Frozen Russian assets will rebuild conflict-ravaged Ukraine

On Wednesday, European Commission President Ursula von der Leyen announced that a proposal will be presented in the coming weeks to suggest using frozen Russian assets to provide support for Ukraine within the European Union. This proposal aims to utilize these frozen assets as a means of assisting Ukraine in its efforts.

DPA WORLD
Published June 21,2023

A proposal for the European Union to use frozen Russian assets to support Ukraine will be put forward in the coming weeks, European Commission President Ursula von der Leyen said on Wednesday.

The European Commission will put forward a plan to do so before the summer break, von der Leyen said while attending a conference on Ukrainian reconstruction in London.

She said frozen Russian assets should be used "because the perpetrator has to be held accountable."

The Ukraine Recovery Conference, which is being held in London on Wednesday and Thursday, is supposed to lay the foundations for rebuilding Ukraine from the destruction of the ongoing Russian invasion.

RWSGFY says

Yuuuuuuge relief for all who worried about paying these pensions:



Write your representatives and urge them to push it through asap. If you are really worried about US taxpayers footing the bill for that Soviet aggression and not something else, that is.

I rather doubt this. The US stole a bunch of assets years ago. I doubt anybody in Russia was so stupid as not to divest for safety. I suppose it's possible, but I also think it's unlikely.

Real total US military aid delivered to the territory of Ukraine from February 24, 2022, till July 1, 2023, was not widely cited $113.5 bn., but in fact only $17.1 bn.:



https://centerforsecuritypolicy.org/wp-content/uploads/2023/07/Illarionov_US_Support_V5.pdf

Still $333B of Cretin's of Kremlin dough remains unspent.