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Time for a cool change, out with Budweiser and with the new.
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Patrick
2023 Apr 22, 5:19pm
Patrick
2023 Apr 22, 5:19pm
https://www.coffeeandcovid.com/p/speechless-saturday-april-22-2023
Miss Heinerscheid, pictured above, is not smiling now. But, before being given some time off to reflect on what went wrong (an inexplicable conundrum she continues wrestling with), she had been working on some more terrific ideas for the beleaguered brand. She was thinking something like maybe a Bud-Light sponsored photoshoot of plus-sized models in micro-bikinis? Wait! It would be even better if they were all bearded! Bold, bearded, blubbery, beachwear beauties hopped up on Bud Light!
That’s six B’s right there!
But for some reason, Miss Heinerscheid’s new marketing pitch failed to grip the corporate imagination, and according to Ad Age, the Big Beer Brewer brought in new brand bosses at Bud Light. ...
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WookieMan
2023 Apr 23, 7:02am
WookieMan
2023 Apr 23, 7:02am
NuttBoxer says
There's not a person on this site that's had more beers than me, I can promise that. Even if you're 70. My semi-roomate during college years would buy a different 6 back every day of the week, each of us. So 14 DIFFERENT beers weekly. We had a beer wall where we cut out the side of the case and pinned it up. I've tried waaaaaaaaaay over a thousand beers. We'd drive 30 minutes each way to different liquor stores.
Three Floyds was one of the first. It's not good. I'm in the 1% of beer drinkers that have had pretty much every thing besides tiny micro brews in Livingston, MT. Any brand that sells national I have 100% had it. I'm 50 miles from the biggest drinking state in the nation. You don't have to believe me but I for sure have had more beers than anyone here.
Also never trust a rating website for anything. People are paid to make negative reviews AND positive reviews. You eat and drink with your eye, so graphics do matter. We travel a lot. I like to go back after the trip and look at the reviews again. They're mostly shit and made up lies. Our brokerage had a Yelp review that was a flat out lie and we could do nothing. NEVER trust a review site. Especially for something soooo subjective like beer. Guys that have had 80 different beers think they're know it alls. They're not.
Also, atmosphere matters. Go to Aruba and have an Amstel Bright on the beach and tell me it wasn't good. That's when you know you're a beer snob if you don't enjoy that. Or a Red Stipe in the Caribbean. Kalik in Bahamas. Presidente in the Dominican. It's just like pairing wine with food. I've probably had 60 beers you can't even get in the states. I've had a lot of beer. I don't drink any hard stuff, mixed drinks, etc. Maybe a mimosa from time to time.
I think with you guys who don't like these beers, it's very possible you haven't drank as much as I have, and therefore don't have the same pallet. Or you're exactly what you rail against, beer snobs, who care more about macro-brands than flavor.
There's not a person on this site that's had more beers than me, I can promise that. Even if you're 70. My semi-roomate during college years would buy a different 6 back every day of the week, each of us. So 14 DIFFERENT beers weekly. We had a beer wall where we cut out the side of the case and pinned it up. I've tried waaaaaaaaaay over a thousand beers. We'd drive 30 minutes each way to different liquor stores.
Three Floyds was one of the first. It's not good. I'm in the 1% of beer drinkers that have had pretty much every thing besides tiny micro brews in Livingston, MT. Any brand that sells national I have 100% had it. I'm 50 miles from the biggest drinking state in the nation. You don't have to believe me but I for sure have had more beers than anyone here.
Also never trust a rating website for anything. People are paid to make negative reviews AND positive reviews. You eat and drink with your eye, so graphics do matter. We travel a lot. I like to go back after the trip and look at the reviews again. They're mostly shit and made up lies. Our brokerage had a Yelp review that was a flat out lie and we could do nothing. NEVER trust a review site. Especially for something soooo subjective like beer. Guys that have had 80 different beers think they're know it alls. They're not.
Also, atmosphere matters. Go to Aruba and have an Amstel Bright on the beach and tell me it wasn't good. That's when you know you're a beer snob if you don't enjoy that. Or a Red Stipe in the Caribbean. Kalik in Bahamas. Presidente in the Dominican. It's just like pairing wine with food. I've probably had 60 beers you can't even get in the states. I've had a lot of beer. I don't drink any hard stuff, mixed drinks, etc. Maybe a mimosa from time to time.
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NuttBoxer
2023 Apr 23, 9:04am
NuttBoxer
2023 Apr 23, 9:04am
You sound like my brother-in-law. He used to drink craft beer, but at some point he stopped and only buys shitty Mexican macro-brews(live in TJ). I think for him it was peer pressure. Not say that's your reason, but I do know people who have been exposed to good beer and gone back to cheap, poorly made beers just because...
Red Stripe, Amstel, Beck's, Budweiser, they all taste like fizzy sour water to me. Due to the way sugar messes with me know, I don't drink as often as I used to, so I can't afford to waste my drinks.
I've found the ratings on beeradvocate, and ratebeer to be fairly accurate. There are some beers higher than I would rate them, but we all have different tastes. There are also some I will likely never try because they're overhyped, and I won't wait in line that long. Pliny the Younger comes to mind. Although if I had a chance at a Westvelteran, I would take it, even with the line.
In your area, an overrated beer is Goose Island. One you probably have that is really good is Bell's from Michigan. Although Two Hearted is an average IPA for me, way overrated. They have a darker one named the Edmund Fitzgerald, outstanding.
In my area Mike Hess, never had anything from them I really liked. Their beers all taste kind of watered down. Mickkeller however, I've liked almost everything they make.
When we go to the beach I bring good craft beer, and my wife's family always looks forward to it. They mostly stick to IPA's, or Mexican macros, or wine, but whatever I bring, almost any style, they like it. I guarantee I can anyone here the perfect beer with just a little info, even had-it-all's like you. And it would never be a macro brew.
Red Stripe, Amstel, Beck's, Budweiser, they all taste like fizzy sour water to me. Due to the way sugar messes with me know, I don't drink as often as I used to, so I can't afford to waste my drinks.
I've found the ratings on beeradvocate, and ratebeer to be fairly accurate. There are some beers higher than I would rate them, but we all have different tastes. There are also some I will likely never try because they're overhyped, and I won't wait in line that long. Pliny the Younger comes to mind. Although if I had a chance at a Westvelteran, I would take it, even with the line.
In your area, an overrated beer is Goose Island. One you probably have that is really good is Bell's from Michigan. Although Two Hearted is an average IPA for me, way overrated. They have a darker one named the Edmund Fitzgerald, outstanding.
In my area Mike Hess, never had anything from them I really liked. Their beers all taste kind of watered down. Mickkeller however, I've liked almost everything they make.
When we go to the beach I bring good craft beer, and my wife's family always looks forward to it. They mostly stick to IPA's, or Mexican macros, or wine, but whatever I bring, almost any style, they like it. I guarantee I can anyone here the perfect beer with just a little info, even had-it-all's like you. And it would never be a macro brew.
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richwicks
2023 Apr 24, 3:52am
richwicks
2023 Apr 24, 3:52am
Patrick says
Look, Dylan Mulvaney was promoting tampons of some sort. This is an old marketing technique, especially for failing or old brands and it works with two assumptions 1) people will buy it anyhow that already buy it 2) it will get chatter about it and possibly include new people.
This is why "Star Wars" was "woke". Fans of the series were going to see it ANYHOW, even if it did suck, and people who were watching all the commotion, wanted to find out what the commotion was about.
Well, the failure here with Budweiser, is everybody knows it's not a good beer. People buy it because it's got a very standard flavor (which Miller does, and Coors, Pabst, etc) and nobody really likes it, but nobody really hates it either. It's not a HARD beer to drink, it's just not very pleasant. So, in this case they immediately associated a beer that was already associated (a bit, jokingly) as a "beer for fags", as a beer for fags, and the people that already didn't drink it, knew the product wasn't going to change - it would be the same stuff it always was, and nearly everybody has tried these beers at one time or another.
I "didn't like beer" when I first had it, well, it's because it was beer like this. When I first had a "real" beer, oh I liked that! They had Pete's Wicked Ale (don't buy it today, they were bought out and they just replaced it with terrible beer with food coloring and flavor additives and still sold it at a markup), Samuel Adams, bunch of beers I don't even remember. They were like $1 or $2 more than a 6 pack of Bud, Miller, whatever. But I actually enjoyed them.
Canned beer back in the day also picked up flavor from the can back then. They fixed that sometime in the last decade, with a plastic coating on the interior. I was surprised to try a beer out of a can and find I actually enjoyed it, because that wasn't the case in 2005. I would say there is no difference between beer in a can and beer in a bottle now.
Miss Heinerscheid, pictured above, is not smiling now. But, before being given some time off to reflect on what went wrong (an inexplicable conundrum she continues wrestling with), she had been working on some more terrific ideas for the beleaguered brand.
Look, Dylan Mulvaney was promoting tampons of some sort. This is an old marketing technique, especially for failing or old brands and it works with two assumptions 1) people will buy it anyhow that already buy it 2) it will get chatter about it and possibly include new people.
This is why "Star Wars" was "woke". Fans of the series were going to see it ANYHOW, even if it did suck, and people who were watching all the commotion, wanted to find out what the commotion was about.
Well, the failure here with Budweiser, is everybody knows it's not a good beer. People buy it because it's got a very standard flavor (which Miller does, and Coors, Pabst, etc) and nobody really likes it, but nobody really hates it either. It's not a HARD beer to drink, it's just not very pleasant. So, in this case they immediately associated a beer that was already associated (a bit, jokingly) as a "beer for fags", as a beer for fags, and the people that already didn't drink it, knew the product wasn't going to change - it would be the same stuff it always was, and nearly everybody has tried these beers at one time or another.
I "didn't like beer" when I first had it, well, it's because it was beer like this. When I first had a "real" beer, oh I liked that! They had Pete's Wicked Ale (don't buy it today, they were bought out and they just replaced it with terrible beer with food coloring and flavor additives and still sold it at a markup), Samuel Adams, bunch of beers I don't even remember. They were like $1 or $2 more than a 6 pack of Bud, Miller, whatever. But I actually enjoyed them.
Canned beer back in the day also picked up flavor from the can back then. They fixed that sometime in the last decade, with a plastic coating on the interior. I was surprised to try a beer out of a can and find I actually enjoyed it, because that wasn't the case in 2005. I would say there is no difference between beer in a can and beer in a bottle now.
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pudil
2023 Apr 24, 4:43am
Patrick says
You’re going to have to boycott a lot more then that if you want to boycott every abinbev beer.
Just boycott bud light specifically. It’s much more effective. Not only is it shitty beer with lots of alternatives, but right now there’s a cultural momentum.
Sitting at a bar with your buddy he’s not going to give a shit that corona is also made by the same company and so we shouldn’t drink that either.
But if a little ribbing can get him to order a yingling over the bud light, at least while he hangs out with you, that’s huge.
These companies are leveraged out the ass. If we can drop bud light sales 5% they are out of business.
Not only will I never drink a Bud again, I will find out all related brands and avoid them, and tell everyone I know for the rest of my life to avoid them. I will not even remain in the presence of anyone drinking any of them. That's how much I loathe Bud now.
https://www.anheuser-busch.com/brands
AVOID:
10 Barrel
Beck's
Blue Point
Bon & Viv Spiked Seltzer
Breckenridge Brewery
Bud Light
Budweiser
Busch
Corona
Devils Backbone Brewing
Elysian Brewing
Fordham Brewing
Four Peaks Brewery
Golden Road Brewing
Goose Island Brewery
Green Valley Brewing
Hoegaarden
Hurricane
Johnny Appleseed
Karbach Brewing
King Cobra
Kona Brewing
LandShark Lager
Michelob
Modelo
Natural
Natural Light
Old Dominion Brewing
Omission Beer
Quilmes
Redbridge
Redhook
Rolling Rock
Shock Top
Spykes
Square Mile...
You’re going to have to boycott a lot more then that if you want to boycott every abinbev beer.
Just boycott bud light specifically. It’s much more effective. Not only is it shitty beer with lots of alternatives, but right now there’s a cultural momentum.
Sitting at a bar with your buddy he’s not going to give a shit that corona is also made by the same company and so we shouldn’t drink that either.
But if a little ribbing can get him to order a yingling over the bud light, at least while he hangs out with you, that’s huge.
These companies are leveraged out the ass. If we can drop bud light sales 5% they are out of business.
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pudil
2023 Apr 24, 4:47am
We need an easy, funny derogatory name for bud light you can rib your buddy with when you see him drink one.
I’m thinking “balls light”. “How’s that balls light tasting?”
I’m thinking “balls light”. “How’s that balls light tasting?”
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zzyzzx
2023 Apr 24, 5:25am
zzyzzx
2023 Apr 24, 5:25am
https://www.barrons.com/articles/bud-light-exec-takes-leave-after-boycott-calls-15a86829
Two Bud Light Execs Leave After Calls to Boycott
Alissa Heinerscheid is taking a leave of absence as marketing vice president for Anheuser-Busch InBev’s Bud Light brand after calls to boycott the brand over its work with transgender social media influencer Dylan Mulvaney.
Heinerscheid’s boss Daniel Blake, who oversees marketing for Anheuser-Busch’s mainstream brands Budweiser and Bud Light, also took a leave of absence, a company spokeswoman told The Wall Street Journal.
Two Bud Light Execs Leave After Calls to Boycott
Alissa Heinerscheid is taking a leave of absence as marketing vice president for Anheuser-Busch InBev’s Bud Light brand after calls to boycott the brand over its work with transgender social media influencer Dylan Mulvaney.
Heinerscheid’s boss Daniel Blake, who oversees marketing for Anheuser-Busch’s mainstream brands Budweiser and Bud Light, also took a leave of absence, a company spokeswoman told The Wall Street Journal.
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WookieMan
2023 Apr 24, 5:33am
WookieMan
2023 Apr 24, 5:33am
NuttBoxer says
Any Goose Island is absolute shit. We used to play shows at the Wrigleyville (Cubs park/gayvile) and got free beer. I'd bring my own... that's how bad that shit is.
I've been to Stone in Escondido about 6 years ago. I wouldn't call it bad for beers I've tried, but it was too hipster for me. They had food at the brewery and of course that's not what they do. But as someone that likes to cook and knows good food, it wasn't good. I do like Stone though.
NuttBoxer says
Yup, have had kind of a lot of Bells. I think we did a month or two of only local(ish) beers during those college years. As in a previous comment the labeling of the package is what intrigued us to buy it. Packaging is probably 70-80% of the decision. 5% might be some rating and 5% might be a referral. The remain percentage is just fuck it I want to try something new.
Two Brothers is another regional brand that might sell national. Again we played shows there many times. Their beer sucks ass. Main brewery is in Warrenville, IL but everyone knows the Roundhouse in Aurora, IL. Walter Payton owned it at one point.
My issue with micro brews is idiots that can pick up cheap equipment and brew trash. But just happen to know enough people that like them to make it successful. It's not about actual flavor. That's how most Amazon resellers that are successful at start up. 100+ five star reviews from friends and family even though it's cheap Chinese trash.
I'm not saying you have bad taste in beer. It's different for everyone. Beer is an environment for me. I associate it with what I was doing at the time. Not worried about flavor necessarily, unless it was absolute trash. Location matters too. Hence why I went to Stone out in CA. It's a cool property, just over the top CA hipster vibe.
I know you've said you lived in Michigan, not sure if you snuck over to Wisconsin. I'm a supper club type person. Or dive bar feeling places. All food I've had in CA is crap. Of probably 20 meals I've yet to have anything that beats areas around me. Not the healthiest of food but it's actually good. I've yet to find a good meal in CA. I've had solid beers from there, but somehow food is lacking bigly.
In your area, an overrated beer is Goose Island
Any Goose Island is absolute shit. We used to play shows at the Wrigleyville (Cubs park/gayvile) and got free beer. I'd bring my own... that's how bad that shit is.
I've been to Stone in Escondido about 6 years ago. I wouldn't call it bad for beers I've tried, but it was too hipster for me. They had food at the brewery and of course that's not what they do. But as someone that likes to cook and knows good food, it wasn't good. I do like Stone though.
NuttBoxer says
One you probably have that is really good is Bell's from Michigan.
Yup, have had kind of a lot of Bells. I think we did a month or two of only local(ish) beers during those college years. As in a previous comment the labeling of the package is what intrigued us to buy it. Packaging is probably 70-80% of the decision. 5% might be some rating and 5% might be a referral. The remain percentage is just fuck it I want to try something new.
Two Brothers is another regional brand that might sell national. Again we played shows there many times. Their beer sucks ass. Main brewery is in Warrenville, IL but everyone knows the Roundhouse in Aurora, IL. Walter Payton owned it at one point.
My issue with micro brews is idiots that can pick up cheap equipment and brew trash. But just happen to know enough people that like them to make it successful. It's not about actual flavor. That's how most Amazon resellers that are successful at start up. 100+ five star reviews from friends and family even though it's cheap Chinese trash.
I'm not saying you have bad taste in beer. It's different for everyone. Beer is an environment for me. I associate it with what I was doing at the time. Not worried about flavor necessarily, unless it was absolute trash. Location matters too. Hence why I went to Stone out in CA. It's a cool property, just over the top CA hipster vibe.
I know you've said you lived in Michigan, not sure if you snuck over to Wisconsin. I'm a supper club type person. Or dive bar feeling places. All food I've had in CA is crap. Of probably 20 meals I've yet to have anything that beats areas around me. Not the healthiest of food but it's actually good. I've yet to find a good meal in CA. I've had solid beers from there, but somehow food is lacking bigly.
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PeopleUnited
2023 Apr 24, 5:39am
PeopleUnited
2023 Apr 24, 5:39am
Goose Island makes some wonderful stuff.
I don’t need to boycott BUd Light, because I don’t drink horse piss. Never have, never will.
I don’t need to boycott BUd Light, because I don’t drink horse piss. Never have, never will.
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WookieMan
2023 Apr 24, 7:26am
WookieMan
2023 Apr 24, 7:26am
PeopleUnited says
Beer is always going to be a debate. Goose Island is not good beer from my region. Nutt was correct with Bell's. There's much better in IL, WI, IN and MI. Haven't tried newer stuff in the last 5 years, but anything made in the last 20 years in this region I've had. Goose is not good beer. Again I go back to branding and marketing. That's what Goose was good at. Not beer making.
They make a lot of other brands under the ANHEUSER-BUSCH label as Patrick listed. Goose is generally speaking controlled by ANHEUSER-BUSCH. They own the brand. So by default you support Bud Light by buying Goose products. I drink Busch Light as my go to for quantity and price, willing to admit that and it supports bud, just isn't trans or gay is all.
At some point average is fine so I'm not breaking the bank on an unnecessary purchase is my take. I also don't want high percentage alcohol beers. I'm good at 4-4.5%. Anything higher is when I get hungover if I have 6 or more. Outside of mixing with other substances, I haven't been truly hung over in a decade. If you enjoy Goose go for it. Same with Three Floyds. Just not my jam.
Goose Island makes some wonderful stuff.
I don’t need to boycott BUd Light, because I don’t drink horse piss. Never have, never will.
Beer is always going to be a debate. Goose Island is not good beer from my region. Nutt was correct with Bell's. There's much better in IL, WI, IN and MI. Haven't tried newer stuff in the last 5 years, but anything made in the last 20 years in this region I've had. Goose is not good beer. Again I go back to branding and marketing. That's what Goose was good at. Not beer making.
They make a lot of other brands under the ANHEUSER-BUSCH label as Patrick listed. Goose is generally speaking controlled by ANHEUSER-BUSCH. They own the brand. So by default you support Bud Light by buying Goose products. I drink Busch Light as my go to for quantity and price, willing to admit that and it supports bud, just isn't trans or gay is all.
At some point average is fine so I'm not breaking the bank on an unnecessary purchase is my take. I also don't want high percentage alcohol beers. I'm good at 4-4.5%. Anything higher is when I get hungover if I have 6 or more. Outside of mixing with other substances, I haven't been truly hung over in a decade. If you enjoy Goose go for it. Same with Three Floyds. Just not my jam.
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PeopleUnited
2023 Apr 24, 9:31am
PeopleUnited
2023 Apr 24, 9:31am
WookieMan says
I rarely drink any brands main lineup. That includes goose, in fact all I recall I’ve had from them is their special seasonal stuff. Usually has higher alcohol content which usually means more flavor. Their 2022 Christmas IPA was amazing and I don’t even like IPA. Their beer hug sampler had some good stuff in it too. back to the Christmas IPA it was more malty than hoppy and I’d drink that again, but of course it was a season beer so may never see it again. I generally drink flavorful beers, not lagers and the like. But beer is so interesting, it really makes a difference what mood you are in, where you are at, what foods you pair it with. My guess is that since they got bought out in 2011 their mainline beers are just like everyone elses. That’s what my relatives tell me and they drink more beer than me. They say that Alaskan has been ruined since they were bought out. Perhaps the same is true for Kona? I don’t know because I rarely drink a beer brands mainstay beers. But I do like lime and Corona, and even Blue moon and an orange wedge, something special about fresh fruit just brings out something that was missing otherwise. Might sound strange but Corona and lime is just perfect for me at the beach.
Another excellent brewery from your region is Central Waters out of Amherst. But I don’t drink their main line stuff either. Just the seasonal special releases. They have some beers they release at the same time every year that are near perfection. I think maybe goose island does that too. Founders does the same I believe. Founders has a dark one called Dirty Bastard that is good depending on your mood and what you pair it with That is one of the few main line beers I kinda like. I’ve been to a few beer sampling’s which is a fun way to try a lot of stuff. But most beers are pretty boring, which is why I gravitate toward the special releases.
But hey, we agree: if you like it drink it!
If you enjoy Goose go for it.
I rarely drink any brands main lineup. That includes goose, in fact all I recall I’ve had from them is their special seasonal stuff. Usually has higher alcohol content which usually means more flavor. Their 2022 Christmas IPA was amazing and I don’t even like IPA. Their beer hug sampler had some good stuff in it too. back to the Christmas IPA it was more malty than hoppy and I’d drink that again, but of course it was a season beer so may never see it again. I generally drink flavorful beers, not lagers and the like. But beer is so interesting, it really makes a difference what mood you are in, where you are at, what foods you pair it with. My guess is that since they got bought out in 2011 their mainline beers are just like everyone elses. That’s what my relatives tell me and they drink more beer than me. They say that Alaskan has been ruined since they were bought out. Perhaps the same is true for Kona? I don’t know because I rarely drink a beer brands mainstay beers. But I do like lime and Corona, and even Blue moon and an orange wedge, something special about fresh fruit just brings out something that was missing otherwise. Might sound strange but Corona and lime is just perfect for me at the beach.
Another excellent brewery from your region is Central Waters out of Amherst. But I don’t drink their main line stuff either. Just the seasonal special releases. They have some beers they release at the same time every year that are near perfection. I think maybe goose island does that too. Founders does the same I believe. Founders has a dark one called Dirty Bastard that is good depending on your mood and what you pair it with That is one of the few main line beers I kinda like. I’ve been to a few beer sampling’s which is a fun way to try a lot of stuff. But most beers are pretty boring, which is why I gravitate toward the special releases.
But hey, we agree: if you like it drink it!
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NuttBoxer
2023 Apr 24, 9:58am
NuttBoxer
2023 Apr 24, 9:58am
WookieMan says
That is actually one of my favorite places to eat. But we don't live close, so doesn't happen often. They have a duck pot pie right now that is really good. Didn't have a lot of good beers last time, I got something bottled. Karl Strauss Queen of Tarts, natural sour, really good.
WookieMan says
Packaging can pull your eye to a beer, but I usually go by breweries I really like, and style. Prefer natural sours(no kettle), Belgium's, or anything where the ingredients catch my eye.
WookieMan says
I've lived in San Diego area for 20 years. Pizza Port is one of our favorite places, along with Dumpling Inn. Stone it depends on what you get, tacos no, but that pot pie, very good. Spice Lounge is outstanding(Indian Food). Sovereign Thai is a newer place we've tried that's also very good. George's at the Cove for a fancier place with a nice view, and really good reasonably priced food. Mexican is mostly shit, except Lucha Libre by Old Town, and Tuetano Taqueria is the most authentic to what you get in TJ.
I've been to Stone in Escondido about 6 years ago. I wouldn't call it bad for beers I've tried, but it was too hipster for me. They had food at the brewery and of course that's not what they do. But as someone that likes to cook and knows good food, it wasn't good. I do like Stone though.
That is actually one of my favorite places to eat. But we don't live close, so doesn't happen often. They have a duck pot pie right now that is really good. Didn't have a lot of good beers last time, I got something bottled. Karl Strauss Queen of Tarts, natural sour, really good.
WookieMan says
Packaging is probably 70-80% of the decision. 5% might be some rating and 5% might be a referral. The remain percentage is just fuck it I want to try something new.
Packaging can pull your eye to a beer, but I usually go by breweries I really like, and style. Prefer natural sours(no kettle), Belgium's, or anything where the ingredients catch my eye.
WookieMan says
I've yet to find a good meal in CA. I've had solid beers from there, but somehow food is lacking bigly.
I've lived in San Diego area for 20 years. Pizza Port is one of our favorite places, along with Dumpling Inn. Stone it depends on what you get, tacos no, but that pot pie, very good. Spice Lounge is outstanding(Indian Food). Sovereign Thai is a newer place we've tried that's also very good. George's at the Cove for a fancier place with a nice view, and really good reasonably priced food. Mexican is mostly shit, except Lucha Libre by Old Town, and Tuetano Taqueria is the most authentic to what you get in TJ.
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NuttBoxer
2023 Apr 24, 10:01am
NuttBoxer
2023 Apr 24, 10:01am
PeopleUnited says
Grand Rapids right? We went to the brewpub there, those guys go HEAVY on the alcohol. Not my favorite, but they had some decent stuff.
Founders does the same I believe.
Grand Rapids right? We went to the brewpub there, those guys go HEAVY on the alcohol. Not my favorite, but they had some decent stuff.
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NuttBoxer
2023 Apr 24, 10:10am
NuttBoxer
2023 Apr 24, 10:10am
WookieMan says
The best bar in San Diego was Hamilton's. They closed down during scamdemic. Super divy, in the South Park neighborhood, so definitely had hipsters in attendance, but felt like your neighborhood bar. And by "your" I mean everyone's. Doesn't matter where you're from, what you do, you go there, and it feels like you're down the street from you house, wherever that may be. Closest thing to Cheers I've ever experienced.
Another great bar was Toronado. Lots of wood, big booths, felt like an East Coast bar. Another reason I won't miss San Diego, they've killed every great bar I ever liked, and the best BBQ in town.
I'm a supper club type person. Or dive bar feeling places.
The best bar in San Diego was Hamilton's. They closed down during scamdemic. Super divy, in the South Park neighborhood, so definitely had hipsters in attendance, but felt like your neighborhood bar. And by "your" I mean everyone's. Doesn't matter where you're from, what you do, you go there, and it feels like you're down the street from you house, wherever that may be. Closest thing to Cheers I've ever experienced.
Another great bar was Toronado. Lots of wood, big booths, felt like an East Coast bar. Another reason I won't miss San Diego, they've killed every great bar I ever liked, and the best BBQ in town.
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WookieMan
2023 Apr 24, 3:01pm
WookieMan
2023 Apr 24, 3:01pm
NuttBoxer says
I might be out there in August/September. We'll see. Wife is going for sure for work, I just don't know if we're going to turn it into a family trip since the hotel costs can be written off. My dad had 3 cousins out there. One passed about 2 years after we last visited, pre-covid, was cancer. Still two left. Given their age I'd like to visit one more time and hit them up.
Might see if the wife is okay making it a no kid trip. She does work and I fuck around in CA for 5-6 days. Work involves drinking and entertaining 20 hours a day for her. Was looking to finally meet Patrick. I know it's a haul to the Bay Area but the wife won't need the car and I'm not sitting in a hotel room all day. Definitely would golf a couple times.
If it works out I'd be open to meeting up with any CA guys. I'll drive distances and grab a hotel. Warning though I'm nice, have a raspy shit voice, and can occasionally be an ass hole/smart ass. Drink copious amounts of beer, but haven't been in a fight since I was a kid. So not an angry drunk. If I meet up with anyone I'm a mega introvert in person. Unless drinking. I really do want to get out there. Last time was a layover in LAX which was gay.
I've lived in San Diego area for 20 years.
I might be out there in August/September. We'll see. Wife is going for sure for work, I just don't know if we're going to turn it into a family trip since the hotel costs can be written off. My dad had 3 cousins out there. One passed about 2 years after we last visited, pre-covid, was cancer. Still two left. Given their age I'd like to visit one more time and hit them up.
Might see if the wife is okay making it a no kid trip. She does work and I fuck around in CA for 5-6 days. Work involves drinking and entertaining 20 hours a day for her. Was looking to finally meet Patrick. I know it's a haul to the Bay Area but the wife won't need the car and I'm not sitting in a hotel room all day. Definitely would golf a couple times.
If it works out I'd be open to meeting up with any CA guys. I'll drive distances and grab a hotel. Warning though I'm nice, have a raspy shit voice, and can occasionally be an ass hole/smart ass. Drink copious amounts of beer, but haven't been in a fight since I was a kid. So not an angry drunk. If I meet up with anyone I'm a mega introvert in person. Unless drinking. I really do want to get out there. Last time was a layover in LAX which was gay.
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PeopleUnited
2023 Apr 24, 4:46pm
PeopleUnited
2023 Apr 24, 4:46pm
NuttBoxer says
Yes, Grand Rapids, though I’ve never been there, I find their stuff at better bottle shops. They probably are higher ABV than your standard brews, and I’m not a big drinker but I find the higher ABV tends to have more flavor. Lower ABV often tastes watery or lacks fullness. I have never been there but supposedly German beer, not the stuff that is imported but the local stuff, is also tending towards higher ABV as well.
Strong Belgian ales, Scottish Ales, and Porters and Stouts are usually what I look for, but I’ve had good beers in just about any style. You just never know until you try it, but again I mostly avoid the boring everyday stuff that are the main beers in everyone’s line up. It seems they just want something that is easy to pound and that’s not my thing.
PeopleUnited says
Founders does the same I believe.
Grand Rapids right? We went to the brewpub there, those guys go HEAVY on the alcohol. Not my favorite, but they had some decent stuff.
Yes, Grand Rapids, though I’ve never been there, I find their stuff at better bottle shops. They probably are higher ABV than your standard brews, and I’m not a big drinker but I find the higher ABV tends to have more flavor. Lower ABV often tastes watery or lacks fullness. I have never been there but supposedly German beer, not the stuff that is imported but the local stuff, is also tending towards higher ABV as well.
Strong Belgian ales, Scottish Ales, and Porters and Stouts are usually what I look for, but I’ve had good beers in just about any style. You just never know until you try it, but again I mostly avoid the boring everyday stuff that are the main beers in everyone’s line up. It seems they just want something that is easy to pound and that’s not my thing.
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socal2
2023 Apr 24, 4:49pm
WookieMan says
Ring me up when you are in town. There are a bazillion cool places and breweries in San Diego that are great for meeting up.
If it works out I'd be open to meeting up with any CA guys.
Ring me up when you are in town. There are a bazillion cool places and breweries in San Diego that are great for meeting up.
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Misc
2023 Apr 24, 11:46pm
Sales only dropped 17% from the fiasco.
I wonder how many employees they are gonna have to let go.
https://www.breitbart.com/economy/2023/04/24/bud-boycott-slashes-sales-17-percent/
I wonder how many employees they are gonna have to let go.
https://www.breitbart.com/economy/2023/04/24/bud-boycott-slashes-sales-17-percent/
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Tenpoundbass
2023 Apr 25, 7:16am
Tenpoundbass
2023 Apr 25, 7:16am
PeopleUnited says
I think that's because the process to make those full bodied beers, that has color and richness, creates the alcohol content.
It's definitely NOT the alcohol. My Buddy drinks Bud Light Platinum, it has a much higher content than almost any other beer at the corner store display cooler. I call the shit "Wife Beater Beer". It taste like ass, I don't care for Budweiser or Bud Light, but that Platinum beer the alcohol makes it taste like you're drinking Hobo Armpit Sweat.
I’m not a big drinker but I find the higher ABV tends to have more flavor. Lower ABV often tastes watery or lacks fullness
I think that's because the process to make those full bodied beers, that has color and richness, creates the alcohol content.
It's definitely NOT the alcohol. My Buddy drinks Bud Light Platinum, it has a much higher content than almost any other beer at the corner store display cooler. I call the shit "Wife Beater Beer". It taste like ass, I don't care for Budweiser or Bud Light, but that Platinum beer the alcohol makes it taste like you're drinking Hobo Armpit Sweat.
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WookieMan
2023 Apr 25, 9:13am
WookieMan
2023 Apr 25, 9:13am
Misc says
They'll rebound. Maybe Coors or Miller will pick up some of their customers. I think net loss of consumption is 1-3% long term. They'll lay off 30 people and raise prices 0.10¢ a can/bottle. There will be some other controversy that puts this in the rear view mirror of history. It was a stupid move, but I think overall it's not going to impact them once summer kicks in.
We're in the dry season after the Super Bowl and March Madness/Spring break. Sales likely would drop anyway in April up to Memorial Day. Easter and mothers day coming up. College finals testing. Not a huge drinking time of year. Farmers are getting busy and they like cheap beer but are drinking less prepping for planting. Lots of variables besides the dumb ass marketing.
At the end of the day it's really not something worth getting worked up about if we're being honest. Was it dumb as shit? Resounding yes. There are bigger fish to fry. Like actual trans people that are a societal problem and grooming our kids. I don't give a shit about beer branding. I get the reach of it, but the 800 lbs gorilla in the room is the mental illness of trans people. I don't care about beer. These people need professional help.
Sales only dropped 17% from the fiasco.
I wonder how many employees they are gonna have to let go.
https://www.breitbart.com/economy/2023/04/24/bud-boycott-slashes-sales-17-percent/
They'll rebound. Maybe Coors or Miller will pick up some of their customers. I think net loss of consumption is 1-3% long term. They'll lay off 30 people and raise prices 0.10¢ a can/bottle. There will be some other controversy that puts this in the rear view mirror of history. It was a stupid move, but I think overall it's not going to impact them once summer kicks in.
We're in the dry season after the Super Bowl and March Madness/Spring break. Sales likely would drop anyway in April up to Memorial Day. Easter and mothers day coming up. College finals testing. Not a huge drinking time of year. Farmers are getting busy and they like cheap beer but are drinking less prepping for planting. Lots of variables besides the dumb ass marketing.
At the end of the day it's really not something worth getting worked up about if we're being honest. Was it dumb as shit? Resounding yes. There are bigger fish to fry. Like actual trans people that are a societal problem and grooming our kids. I don't give a shit about beer branding. I get the reach of it, but the 800 lbs gorilla in the room is the mental illness of trans people. I don't care about beer. These people need professional help.
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AmericanKulak
2023 Apr 25, 9:26am
AmericanKulak
2023 Apr 25, 9:26am
WookieMan says
All marketing/advertising journalism is now done by Woke Lib Arts Millenial Chicks who never worked a day at a real job, so they'll spin every number as unrelated to Woke Advertising disasters.
Gillette is still suffering, though it's part of P&G and hard to tease out everything. Since the infamous grill ad, they lost 30% of US Market share, and there's no way to put lipstick on that pig.
There's also an "Acceleration" factor. They'll claim it's that beards returned, and that's true to an extent, but you still have to groom a decent beard and shave the cheeks and neck. And the beard trend predated the grilling ad by several years.
Old fashioned shaving with double edge razors and shrocks have returned, guys are spending less on disposable razors and replacing them with higher end razors with replaceable blades.
Jeremy's Razors and Barbasol, many other small companies started or grew in sales during this time. Great to see more manufacturers and choice.
Same will happen with Bud Light. There's already a wave decades old of drinking less but better beer. The Bud Light shit will only accelerate the decline of large macrobrewery pisswater. It's yet another reason for people not to buy.
They'll rebound. Maybe Coors or Miller will pick up some of their customers. I think net loss of consumption is 1-3% long term.
All marketing/advertising journalism is now done by Woke Lib Arts Millenial Chicks who never worked a day at a real job, so they'll spin every number as unrelated to Woke Advertising disasters.
Gillette is still suffering, though it's part of P&G and hard to tease out everything. Since the infamous grill ad, they lost 30% of US Market share, and there's no way to put lipstick on that pig.
There's also an "Acceleration" factor. They'll claim it's that beards returned, and that's true to an extent, but you still have to groom a decent beard and shave the cheeks and neck. And the beard trend predated the grilling ad by several years.
Old fashioned shaving with double edge razors and shrocks have returned, guys are spending less on disposable razors and replacing them with higher end razors with replaceable blades.
Jeremy's Razors and Barbasol, many other small companies started or grew in sales during this time. Great to see more manufacturers and choice.
Same will happen with Bud Light. There's already a wave decades old of drinking less but better beer. The Bud Light shit will only accelerate the decline of large macrobrewery pisswater. It's yet another reason for people not to buy.
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WookieMan
2023 Apr 25, 10:02am
WookieMan
2023 Apr 25, 10:02am
AmericanKulak says
I'm not a fan boy. I'm just saying Bud Light, Coors Light and Miller Light are the big 3 of cheap tavern beers. It's not going anywhere. It's at every non-craft beer bar. If you don't want an IPA or Stout it's a go to if they don't have the others. This is a vocal minority thing. It was the dumbest possible marketing move, but it will iron itself out. I don't see Gillette style losses long term.
This a Coke versus Pepsi discussion really. If you prefer one you're probably going to stick with it. They make a bad marketing decision, you probably stick with it if you like it. Again, not a fan of Bud Light, I just don't think it's as big a deal as the minority is making it out to be. They fucked up. No one really cares. I've easily seen 100 friends and peers since this happened. No one actually cares outside of again a vocal minority.
Bigger battles to fight instead of beer marketing if I'm being honest.
Same will happen with Bud Light. There's already a wave decades old of drinking less but better beer. The Bud Light shit will only accelerate the decline of large macrobrewery pisswater. It's yet another reason for people not to buy.
I'm not a fan boy. I'm just saying Bud Light, Coors Light and Miller Light are the big 3 of cheap tavern beers. It's not going anywhere. It's at every non-craft beer bar. If you don't want an IPA or Stout it's a go to if they don't have the others. This is a vocal minority thing. It was the dumbest possible marketing move, but it will iron itself out. I don't see Gillette style losses long term.
This a Coke versus Pepsi discussion really. If you prefer one you're probably going to stick with it. They make a bad marketing decision, you probably stick with it if you like it. Again, not a fan of Bud Light, I just don't think it's as big a deal as the minority is making it out to be. They fucked up. No one really cares. I've easily seen 100 friends and peers since this happened. No one actually cares outside of again a vocal minority.
Bigger battles to fight instead of beer marketing if I'm being honest.
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NuttBoxer
2023 Apr 25, 10:41am
NuttBoxer
2023 Apr 25, 10:41am
I'm in San Diego till the summer, then mostly only back on weekends as I'll be in Arizona. If you guys want to get together, let me know.
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NuttBoxer
2023 Apr 25, 10:45am
NuttBoxer
2023 Apr 25, 10:45am
PeopleUnited says
Probably more to do with style. Lower alcohol beers are usually Lagers, Pale Ales, Pilsner's, summer beers, session beers. Meant to be light, refreshing, and not filling.
In contrast a Belgium is usually double digits, and almost like a meal in itself. Although I will say one of the best beers I've ever had was 3.2 percent. Kind of ordered by mistake when I was at Stone. New York brewery. Really outstanding flavor.
but I find the higher ABV tends to have more flavor. Lower ABV often tastes watery or lacks fullness.
Probably more to do with style. Lower alcohol beers are usually Lagers, Pale Ales, Pilsner's, summer beers, session beers. Meant to be light, refreshing, and not filling.
In contrast a Belgium is usually double digits, and almost like a meal in itself. Although I will say one of the best beers I've ever had was 3.2 percent. Kind of ordered by mistake when I was at Stone. New York brewery. Really outstanding flavor.
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NuttBoxer
2023 Apr 25, 10:49am
NuttBoxer
2023 Apr 25, 10:49am
Tenpoundbass says
I believe the color is mainly a byproduct of the grain used. If you've ever had a dark IPA, it will still have the same body and flavor, just dark.
Alcohol is created as the yeast eats the sugars during the fermentation period. So the longer you ferment, the higher the content. but you have to be careful as too high kills the yeast, and fucks up the flavor. I think this is a common problem with a lot of high alcohol beers where I just taste the alcohol, not the beer. A great San Diego beer that never makes this mistake is Speedway Stout from Alesmith. Clocks in around 12-13%, never taste a drop of alcohol, just a great beer, especially if you like coffee flavor(they use local beans).
I think that's because the process to make those full bodied beers, that has color and richness, creates the alcohol content.
I believe the color is mainly a byproduct of the grain used. If you've ever had a dark IPA, it will still have the same body and flavor, just dark.
Alcohol is created as the yeast eats the sugars during the fermentation period. So the longer you ferment, the higher the content. but you have to be careful as too high kills the yeast, and fucks up the flavor. I think this is a common problem with a lot of high alcohol beers where I just taste the alcohol, not the beer. A great San Diego beer that never makes this mistake is Speedway Stout from Alesmith. Clocks in around 12-13%, never taste a drop of alcohol, just a great beer, especially if you like coffee flavor(they use local beans).
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AmericanKulak
2023 Apr 25, 10:34pm
AmericanKulak
2023 Apr 25, 10:34pm
Sorry for badtube, but a great parody song for Budweiser.
To the tune of "What a Night"
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sLqeRMRmoxs
To the tune of "What a Night"
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sLqeRMRmoxs
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richwicks
2023 Apr 25, 11:02pm
richwicks
2023 Apr 25, 11:02pm
NuttBoxer says
What? What is dark to you.
All IPA's I've had I'd consider "dark". They are certainly darker than any pilsner.
How do I explain it when I don't know where you live? I'm in CommieFornie, I don't think you can get the same IPA I can easily buy.
Also, you can't buy Ethiopian food - it's awesome - and fuck anybody that doesn't realize it. The bread (Injera) must be sour, but if they can do that, the rest of it is pretty good. It's similar to northern Indian food, and if you don't like that, fuck you - you have no taste for excellence.
I trade off longevity for experience.
I believe the color is mainly a byproduct of the grain used. If you've ever had a dark IPA,
What? What is dark to you.
All IPA's I've had I'd consider "dark". They are certainly darker than any pilsner.
How do I explain it when I don't know where you live? I'm in CommieFornie, I don't think you can get the same IPA I can easily buy.
Also, you can't buy Ethiopian food - it's awesome - and fuck anybody that doesn't realize it. The bread (Injera) must be sour, but if they can do that, the rest of it is pretty good. It's similar to northern Indian food, and if you don't like that, fuck you - you have no taste for excellence.
I trade off longevity for experience.
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Tenpoundbass
2023 Apr 26, 6:13am
Tenpoundbass
2023 Apr 26, 6:13am
NuttBoxer says
You mistook what I meant, I'm saying those beers I described with higher ABV have a complex taste, because of the other ingredients.
I don't think the higher Alcohol content alone does it. My proof with Bud Platinum that is a rice beer, it amplifies everything that is shitty about Budweiser. ..
I'm arguing with you, but making your point in a round about way. Perhaps it makes good beer better, and bad beer shittier.
I think that's because the process to make those full bodied beers, that has color and richness, creates the alcohol content.
I believe the color is mainly a byproduct of the grain used. If you've ever had a dark IPA, it will still have the same body and flavor, just dark.
You mistook what I meant, I'm saying those beers I described with higher ABV have a complex taste, because of the other ingredients.
I don't think the higher Alcohol content alone does it. My proof with Bud Platinum that is a rice beer, it amplifies everything that is shitty about Budweiser. ..
I'm arguing with you, but making your point in a round about way. Perhaps it makes good beer better, and bad beer shittier.
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Tenpoundbass
2023 Apr 26, 6:15am
Tenpoundbass
2023 Apr 26, 6:15am
richwicks says
Sounds like a joke because they can't get Ethiopian food in Ethiopia either.
Also, you can't buy Ethiopian food - it's awesome
Sounds like a joke because they can't get Ethiopian food in Ethiopia either.
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NuttBoxer
2023 Apr 26, 7:48am
NuttBoxer
2023 Apr 26, 7:48am
richwicks says
I'm not talking in subtleties, black IPA. Same color as a stout or porter. I live in San Diego, the beer capital of the United States. I can get almost anything.
I've had Ethiopian food. Used to live in an area with a lot of Africans. Not my favorite(the food).
What? What is dark to you.
All IPA's I've had I'd consider "dark". They are certainly darker than any pilsner.
How do I explain it when I don't know where you live? I'm in CommieFornie, I don't think you can get the same IPA I can easily buy.
Also, you can't buy Ethiopian food - it's awesome - and fuck anybody that doesn't realize it. The bread (Injera) must be sour, but if they can do that, the rest of it is pretty good. It's similar to northern Indian food, and if you don't like that, fuck you - you have no taste for excellence.
I trade off longevity for experience.
I'm not talking in subtleties, black IPA. Same color as a stout or porter. I live in San Diego, the beer capital of the United States. I can get almost anything.
I've had Ethiopian food. Used to live in an area with a lot of Africans. Not my favorite(the food).
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NuttBoxer
2023 Apr 26, 7:56am
NuttBoxer
2023 Apr 26, 7:56am
Tenpoundbass says
Like I said, I've had high alcohol beers that just taste like alcohol, no complexity there. IPA's have gotten more complex, starting with beers like Sculpin. They do typically check in at 6-7%, but I consider high alcohol 9% or higher. The best example of what you're describing are Belgium beers. I have had some fairly complex session and sour beers. A longer fermentation does mean higher alcohol in many cases, but there are complex beers with lower alcohol.
You mistook what I meant, I'm saying those beers I described with higher ABV have a complex taste, because of the other ingredients.
I don't think the higher Alcohol content alone does it. My proof with Bud Platinum that is a rice beer, it amplifies everything that is shitty about Budweiser. ..
I'm arguing with you, but making your point in a round about way. Perhaps it makes good beer better, and bad beer shittier.
Like I said, I've had high alcohol beers that just taste like alcohol, no complexity there. IPA's have gotten more complex, starting with beers like Sculpin. They do typically check in at 6-7%, but I consider high alcohol 9% or higher. The best example of what you're describing are Belgium beers. I have had some fairly complex session and sour beers. A longer fermentation does mean higher alcohol in many cases, but there are complex beers with lower alcohol.
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PeopleUnited
2023 Apr 29, 12:58pm
PeopleUnited
2023 Apr 29, 12:58pm
Tenpoundbass says
NuttBoxer says
Agreed, the richer flavored beers that you can get from the smaller breweries tend to use more/better/special ingredients to give that flavor. This often means more sugar, and longer/more fermentation and more alcohol. So it is not the alcohol that gives the flavor, it’s the process/ingredients that gives both the flavor and the higher alcohol content.
To me high ABV is anything above 5%. And yes I know that isn’t very high, but it’s just a general
Guideline. Almost all my go to beers are 5% or higher. And most brands main beers are less than 5% which to my palate is watered down crap. It’s good on a hot day at the beach or bbq when just about anything cold will do. But if I just want a cold drink water is better than most of the stuff people call beer.
My favorite beers are above 7% they tend to be the most flavorful. Bourbon barrel aged series beers are one example. And La Fin Du Monde, and La Trappe are some good imported Belgian style beers. Belgian beers seems hard to find in taprooms, but maybe ya‘ll have better watering holes in your neck of the woods.
I think that's because the process to make those full bodied beers, that has color and richness, creates the alcohol content.
NuttBoxer says
Probably more to do with style. Lower alcohol beers are usually Lagers, Pale Ales, Pilsner's, summer beers, session beers. Meant to be light, refreshing, and not filling.
Agreed, the richer flavored beers that you can get from the smaller breweries tend to use more/better/special ingredients to give that flavor. This often means more sugar, and longer/more fermentation and more alcohol. So it is not the alcohol that gives the flavor, it’s the process/ingredients that gives both the flavor and the higher alcohol content.
To me high ABV is anything above 5%. And yes I know that isn’t very high, but it’s just a general
Guideline. Almost all my go to beers are 5% or higher. And most brands main beers are less than 5% which to my palate is watered down crap. It’s good on a hot day at the beach or bbq when just about anything cold will do. But if I just want a cold drink water is better than most of the stuff people call beer.
My favorite beers are above 7% they tend to be the most flavorful. Bourbon barrel aged series beers are one example. And La Fin Du Monde, and La Trappe are some good imported Belgian style beers. Belgian beers seems hard to find in taprooms, but maybe ya‘ll have better watering holes in your neck of the woods.
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richwicks
2023 Apr 29, 2:13pm
richwicks
2023 Apr 29, 2:13pm
Tenpoundbass says
Ethiopia had a famine because it was a war tactic in the 1980s. Isn't it weird there was an entire war and those constant pleas for money from Sally Struthers, and you never were told that?
richwicks says
Also, you can't buy Ethiopian food - it's awesome
Sounds like a joke because they can't get Ethiopian food in Ethiopia either.
Ethiopia had a famine because it was a war tactic in the 1980s. Isn't it weird there was an entire war and those constant pleas for money from Sally Struthers, and you never were told that?
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I suggest Becks or St Paulie Girl, as both of those are under $12 a 12 pack these days. Where has Butwiper has been pushing the boundaries to how much they could charge for their Cultural Grog. I wouldn't mind seeing Shiner Boc become a huge national brand with a wider distribution than it currently has. Though when I do find it at the Publix here in South Florida, it's around $10.99 or more, for a 6pack. Even Guiness is a dollar cheaper than that on average.
I heard some chime in telling everyone to support their local craft beer brewers. I have never EVER had one single beer from a craft brewer that tasted anything like a old traditional beer recipe. And that's very important to me. I don't want off tastes, and hints of herbs, berries, citrus, or your Xer's vag yeast. Whart ever the fuck they put in there!
The problem I have with local craft beers, they have no respect for the traditional tried and true methods, and just brew a proper Lager, Pilsner, Ale, or Stout. They always have some untraditional ingredients in there, that makes it taste like crap, while they give a cute flavor name, which taste nothing like they suggest. Plus you can factor a good 40% of the cost of their beer goes into their packaging and marketing efforts. They claim they are craft beers, but they are trying like hell to be a major distributor at the expense of not focusing on a product worthy of such hullabaloo. And if I'm at a one more party and there's nothing left in the beer cooler but 9 seltzer fizzy beer, or sour IPAs in the cooler. I'm going loose my mind. Who brings these nasty beers, then proceeds to drink the hosts honest real beers? Nobody likes your soda beer, and IPA leave that crap at home. Who ever is doing that!