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Time for a cool change, out with Budweiser and with the new.


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2023 Apr 7, 8:59am   31,400 views  338 comments

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Across the redneck nation there are calls for a new official beer of Rural America. Butwiper really dropped the ball and screwed the pooch on this one.
I suggest Becks or St Paulie Girl, as both of those are under $12 a 12 pack these days. Where has Butwiper has been pushing the boundaries to how much they could charge for their Cultural Grog. I wouldn't mind seeing Shiner Boc become a huge national brand with a wider distribution than it currently has. Though when I do find it at the Publix here in South Florida, it's around $10.99 or more, for a 6pack. Even Guiness is a dollar cheaper than that on average.

I heard some chime in telling everyone to support their local craft beer brewers. I have never EVER had one single beer from a craft brewer that tasted anything like a old traditional beer recipe. And that's very important to me. I don't want off tastes, and hints of herbs, berries, citrus, or your Xer's vag yeast. Whart ever the fuck they put in there!

The problem I have with local craft beers, they have no respect for the traditional tried and true methods, and just brew a proper Lager, Pilsner, Ale, or Stout. They always have some untraditional ingredients in there, that makes it taste like crap, while they give a cute flavor name, which taste nothing like they suggest. Plus you can factor a good 40% of the cost of their beer goes into their packaging and marketing efforts. They claim they are craft beers, but they are trying like hell to be a major distributor at the expense of not focusing on a product worthy of such hullabaloo. And if I'm at a one more party and there's nothing left in the beer cooler but 9 seltzer fizzy beer, or sour IPAs in the cooler. I'm going loose my mind. Who brings these nasty beers, then proceeds to drink the hosts honest real beers? Nobody likes your soda beer, and IPA leave that crap at home. Who ever is doing that!

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106   Tenpoundbass   2023 Apr 18, 7:42am  

I used to love New Castle, then they something happened to them, they got over priced, and I can't drink a 6 pack without getting that nasty hangover that normally comes from over processed beers like Budweiser. I think they screwed with the formula to keep up with production demand. They were everywhere for a while. Now I don't see them as much. That could be because InBev knocked them off the shelves. Distributors will make their customers not carry other brands. I think that has happened to Anchor Steam and Shiner Bock as well. As I never see those at places that I used to see them.
107   GNL   2023 Apr 18, 9:19am  

I'm pissed I can't find Anchor Steam.
109   Tenpoundbass   2023 Apr 18, 10:18am  

LOL I saw Branco in an interview. If you saw that guy on the street, you would assume he is a used car lot manager.

He doesn't look the part as one of the best political cartoonist. Well neither does Garrison, he looks like a Ranch worker.
110   AmericanKulak   2023 Apr 18, 10:31am  

Tenpoundbass says

I used to love New Castle, then they something happened to them, they got over priced, and I can't drink a 6 pack without getting that nasty hangover that normally comes from over processed beers like Budweiser. I think they screwed with the formula to keep up with production demand. They were everywhere for a while. Now I don't see them as much. That could be because InBev knocked them off the shelves. Distributors will make their customers not carry other brands. I think that has happened to Anchor Steam and Shiner Bock as well. As I never see those at places that I used to see them.

Yeah, Newcastle was my go to. I've noticed an aftertaste that wasn't there before. I gotta get back into brewing my own shit again.
111   HeadSet   2023 Apr 18, 11:52am  

NuttBoxer says

Pabst is what white trash drink before they get into brawls.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=56duVYLsd4Q
113   richwicks   2023 Apr 18, 2:09pm  

Tenpoundbass says

For example I have replaced Kitchen Boutique(A gravy darkener) with Dark Soy sauce(basically the same thing, but not as bitter if you over do it.)
I find many Savory dishes that will have Soy Sauce and Worstershire sauce.


I have a recommendation for you, try "black salt" - you can get it at any Indian store, and it's not black, it's pink.

https://www.amazon.com/dp/B07GFGQ38G?th=1&language=en_US

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kala_namak

What it really is, is salt with sulfur in it. I use that all the time. It's not really a table salt, but when you're cooking, it really adds a bunch of flavor.

There's a lot of common spices and flavors of other nations, that I think ought to be more popular. The first time you have black salt, you're going to notice "oh, that's the flavor in Indian food", and it is.
114   richwicks   2023 Apr 18, 2:15pm  

AmericanKulak says

Tenpoundbass says


I used to love New Castle, then they something happened to them, they got over priced, and I can't drink a 6 pack without getting that nasty hangover that normally comes from over processed beers like Budweiser. I think they screwed with the formula to keep up with production demand. They were everywhere for a while. Now I don't see them as much. That could be because InBev knocked them off the shelves. Distributors will make their customers not carry other brands. I think that has happened to Anchor Steam and Shiner Bock as well. As I never see those at places that I used to see them.

Yeah, Newcastle was my go to. I've noticed an aftertaste that wasn't there before. I gotta get back into brewing my own shit again.


@Tenpoundbass

NewCastle was sold in 2017 and that's when they screwed up:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Newcastle_Brown_Ale#Move_to_Zoeterwoude_Brewery,_the_Netherlands

It's not the same beer. You can't buy the original beer anymore.
115   Tenpoundbass   2023 Apr 18, 2:28pm  

That's what happened!
116   socal2   2023 Apr 18, 2:30pm  

I mostly drink IPA's or wine to get my buzz on and drink Michelob Ultra to be responsible and hydrate.

I live in ground zero of the IPA world and my local pizza place (Pizza Port) makes great IPA's.
117   Tenpoundbass   2023 Apr 18, 2:32pm  

Well FUCK Boddington's is defunct as well!

Those Commie UK Shit Finger Mother Fuckers!
118   Tenpoundbass   2023 Apr 18, 2:34pm  

Thanks GOD all of the sensible Irish people have fled the UK isles and took Guinness with them.
Expatriates in Malaysia told me, the beer brewed for the South Asian Market is the best in the world. We get it from Canada.
And now I suspect, that if it were up to Dublin alone, they would have shut Guinness down years ago as well .
119   Tenpoundbass   2023 Apr 18, 2:45pm  

Ah so it seems Guinness bought the Nitro Infused Can that Boddington used. That explains a lot, why it started popping up at the time Boddington's disappeared

I swear I have had Boddingtons at least 10 occasions since it's closing in 2005. I guess I was buying 5 and ten year old beer.
I also remember around 2017 New Castle being $9.9 a 12 pack. and remembering it was cheap. I thought it was being blown out because it was old. But I guess it was just the last batch of a dead brand at the beverage store. As that was the last time I remember seeing it around.
121   HeadSet   2023 Apr 19, 11:26am  

Tenpoundbass says


I swear I have had Boddingtons at least 10 occasions since it's closing in 2005.

The only time I had Boddington's was when I was in Manchester, England in 1980. I did not know it was even sold outside of Britain.
122   NuttBoxer   2023 Apr 19, 1:42pm  

socal2 says

I live in ground zero of the IPA world and my local pizza place (Pizza Port) makes great IPA's.


They hardly have any West Coast IPA's on tap though. Not sure where you live, but since they opened one in IB, I go there most of the time. No traffic, lots of parking, and no crowds. Love IB!

Also, did you go to the original location when they were all saying "My dude" right after Stranger Things 4? Was even a guy working there who looked like the dude from the pizza place in the show.
123   Tenpoundbass   2023 Apr 19, 3:30pm  

HeadSet says

Tenpoundbass says



I swear I have had Boddingtons at least 10 occasions since it's closing in 2005.

The only time I had Boddington's was when I was in Manchester, England in 1980. I did not know it was even sold outside of Britain.


They were sold on tap in some British Pubs, and sold in 20oz Cans in a four pack. The cans had a nitrogen capsule in them, that activated when you opened the can. Like Guinness now does with their 20oz can.
124   AmericanKulak   2023 Apr 19, 7:01pm  

Tenpoundbass says


I also remember around 2017 New Castle being $9.9 a 12 pack. and remembering it was cheap. I thought it was being blown out because it was old. But I guess it was just the last batch of a dead brand at the beverage store. As that was the last time I remember seeing it around.

richwicks says


NewCastle was sold in 2017 and that's when they screwed up:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Newcastle_Brown_Ale#Move_to_Zoeterwoude_Brewery,_the_Netherlands

Aha! The last time I brought Newcastle around 2021 I thought I just got a bad batch. It usually tastes better "Skunked". This explains it.

I'll have to try Yuengling's Black and Tan as a potential substitute, though Newcastle is an Old Ale mixed with something else, not exactly the same. Or find a Scotch Ale, my next favorite.

Or get back to brewing.
125   AmericanKulak   2023 Apr 19, 7:13pm  

OH



Although the beer being produced for Newcastle at the Lagunitas facility is still called Newcastle Brown Ale, the Lagunitas-brewed product will feature a different label than that of other Newcastle Brown Ales brewed at 75 breweries around the world and a different recipe.

“It’s a homebrewer’s classic take on an original brown ale,” Tay said. “Lagunitas brewmaster Jeremy Marshall really modernized the recipe, and he’s using American hops like Chinook and Centennial to create something smooth, crisp, and roasty.”

https://www.forbes.com/sites/kennygould/2019/03/07/newcastle-brown-ale-heineken-lagunitas/?sh=422d610f1f27

That ain't an English Brown Ale, which is malty with a touch of Fuggles hops. Crisp my ass, it's supposed to be malty and caramel/toffee tones.

No wonder the last batch I had tasted like a Microbrewfag creation instead of like the Old Classic.

“It’s the Brooklyn dads and the world travelers,” Tay said. “These guys are young. They’re out there enjoying life, and they have affiliation with a brand that has no qualms with making fun of themselves.”


In other words, reformulated to "Urban Hipsters". Complete with the "Crisp" Western hops and too much of them.
126   NuttBoxer   2023 Apr 20, 11:34am  

AmericanKulak says

No wonder the last batch I had tasted like a Microbrewfag creation instead of like the Old Classic.


Lagunitas was bought out my Anhuser years ago. I stopped drinking their beer when that happened. What you are tasting is pure macro-brewing my friend, which is what you were tasting before as well. NewCastle is a transition beer, like Guinness. It's a gateway to better beer, not the last stop. For something more authentic to England try Samuel Smith.
127   mell   2023 Apr 20, 11:39am  

AmericanKulak says

OH




Although the beer being produced for Newcastle at the Lagunitas facility is still called Newcastle Brown Ale, the Lagunitas-brewed product will feature a different label than that of other Newcastle Brown Ales brewed at 75 breweries around the world and a different recipe.

“It’s a homebrewer’s classic take on an original brown ale,” Tay said. “Lagunitas brewmaster Jeremy Marshall really modernized the recipe, and he’s using American hops like Chinook and Centennial to create something smooth, crisp, and roasty.”

https://www.forbes.com/sites/kennygould/2019/03/07/newcastle-brown-ale-heineken-lagunitas/?sh=422d610f1f27

That ain't an English Brown Ale, which is malty with a touch of Fuggles hops. Crisp my ass, it's supposed to be malty and caramel/toffee tones.

They destroy everything with the too much hops shit. You only need that much hops if you have insomnia, and it tastes like shit. The perfect amount of hops IMO is a (German) Pilsner
128   AmericanKulak   2023 Apr 20, 12:54pm  

Bud Light sales down 7% - a good chunk of the profit margin probably - and some other early stats from the Industry and Insiders
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OjA8v1Tflno

NuttBoxer says


macro-brewing my friend,

Yes sir, by this I meant "Hipster Microbrewery IPA heavy hopped and/or stupid exotic ingredients in every offering" style. More the spirit than the process.

mell says

They destroy everything with the too much hops shit. You only need that much hops if you have insomnia, and it tastes like shit. The perfect amount of hops IMO is a (German) Pilsner

Yes, and they love the Pine Sol tasting hops most!
129   Tenpoundbass   2023 Apr 20, 12:59pm  

Hopefully Worsteiner is still around. I used to get it for $15 a 12 pack at the Liquor store that had a nice beer selection. But when InBev started offering Becks and StPG at the corner store for a little over $10 bucks a 12'er, I never looked back. I should swing by and see what they still sell over there. They also had Sammy Smith and beers from the Omega Group(Three Philosophers).
130   NuttBoxer   2023 Apr 20, 1:12pm  

But there's two problems with that definition:

1. Micro-brewery's have all moved away from high ABV's. I struggle to find true West Coast IPA's anymore, the style that defines bitterness.
2. You cannot define something as a micro-brewery once they pass a certain number of gallons/barrels(?) in production. Technically Stone is no longer a micro-brewery for this reason, though they've never taken a buyout, and still produce most of their original recipes.
131   Tenpoundbass   2023 Apr 20, 1:28pm  

I loathe the term "Micro Brewery" it sounds like a hobbyist farting in a bottle swearing that it adds to the body of the beer.
I avoid them, my daughter's drag me to Micro Breweries, I have never drank any beer at any of them, that made me think I need to go back.
Their names and flavors are always way off in terms of the flavor concurring with the name.
132   NuttBoxer   2023 Apr 20, 5:02pm  

Just because it's small batch doesn't guarantee it's good beer. I just know for a fact that I've never had a good macro-brew, and due to low quality, they all taste like piss-water, or no flavor. The damage they've done to the lager style is immeasurable.

I do happen to live in the mecca of beer brewing though in San Diego, so the good ones are REALLY good. Dogfish head is East Coast, they've got some good stuff. Not sure you'll ever see Three Floyd's, but if you do, don't pass it up. Other than that, Trappist Rochefort 8, 10, or 12 is good, Paulner Heferweizen. Try checking out beeradvocate, or ratebeer for good stuff in your area.
133   richwicks   2023 Apr 20, 5:48pm  

Tenpoundbass says

I loathe the term "Micro Brewery" it sounds like a hobbyist farting in a bottle swearing that it adds to the body of the beer.
I avoid them, my daughter's drag me to Micro Breweries, I have never drank any beer at any of them, that made me think I need to go back.
Their names and flavors are always way off in terms of the flavor concurring with the name.


I'm no expert on beer by any means, but I do enjoy trying things that are different and unique, even if it's not "objectively better".
134   Tenpoundbass   2023 Apr 20, 6:08pm  

If I'm going to drink a beer that I have to fight back any off tastes, and don't have the flavor of a classic Ale, Pilsner, or Lager.
I would rather then drink my own failed creations, and be brewing my own beer, with the intention of someday nailing the flavor I'm looking for..
Most hipsters operating micro breweries are NOT brew masters by any means. They bought some equipment and go on a generic recipe then get cute and add their own twists. I have talked to a few owners at the micro breweries, they admit they are not classic brew masters.
Youngsters today like beers brewed with orange peels and wheat. It's just not my thing.
135   NuttBoxer   2023 Apr 21, 1:46pm  

Tenpoundbass says


Ale, Pilsner, or Lager.


Pilsner is a bit of a nitch type. If you like that, surprised you don't also mention Kolch, Heferweizen, or Gose.

Tenpoundbass says


Most hipsters operating micro breweries are NOT brew masters by any means.


Absolutely false. The more well known micro-breweries in San Diego all have brewmasters at the helm. It's a title that requires a degree, although I do think quality and expertise are less tied to "experts" than other fields where defenestration is sorely needed.

Tenpoundbass says


Youngsters today like beers brewed with orange peels and wheat.


I believe that's a specific style called Whit beer, that is just as old as the others you've mentioned. Not a fan myself, although I have had one beer of that style I enjoyed.

If you want to complain about stupid trends, why haven't you mentioned the ridiculously high alcohol content of some beers, particularly the triple IPA, where the alcohol flavor is ALL that you taste. There's no skill involved in that. But take something like Speedway Stout, a 13% beer where the alcohol is completely disguised. Great beer, takes TONS of skill, but watch out!
Or complain about how the traditional IPA style that originated in England has been taken over by fruity, flowery, cloudy variations that completely diminish the distinguishing characteristic of the style(bitterness).
Or complain about how macro-brews have completely destroyed people's faith in Lager as a legitimate beer style.
Or how people talk about Becks instead of German beers that have been brewed for nearly a thousand years like Paulner or Spatan.
137   GNL   2023 Apr 21, 6:02pm  

AmericanKulak says





Who cares, too late.
138   AmericanKulak   2023 Apr 21, 6:54pm  

This would be a good start towards an apology.

139   WookieMan   2023 Apr 21, 7:12pm  

NuttBoxer says

Not sure you'll ever see Three Floyd's, but if you do, don't pass it up.

Overrated. They're out of Indiana so they're all over by me. They had cool bottles and that's "why" it's popular. It's not good beer. Think Fear and Loathing type artwork. People bought with their eyes.

It's not even popular in this region. Pretty sure I met an owner at some festival at some point when they were young. Not bad people, but it's definitely a beer snob beer because of their limited production. No different than Spotted Cow in Wisconsin, which only sells in Wisconsin. So it's scarcity as marketing. Three Floyds is no different. They know it won't sell nationally.
140   WookieMan   2023 Apr 21, 7:23pm  

NuttBoxer says


Tenpoundbass says

Most hipsters operating micro breweries are NOT brew masters by any means.

Absolutely false. The more well known micro-breweries in San Diego all have brewmasters at the helm. It's a title that requires a degree, although I do think quality and expertise are less tied to "experts" than other fields where defenestration is sorely needed.

10# is right on this one. It's the same argument with BBQ. I can make better BBQ than anyone I know and I get requests for it. I have zero formal training. I've had better home brews from friends. The "brewmaster" title is a pure bullshit title to get you to spend money on bullshit "schooling." Brewing beer is not that complicated. It's about getting flavor YOU want or others if you want to sell to others.

I know we've all had awful BBQ. We've all had awful beer. Some made up title to part you from your money is stupid if you think it means something. Fact is they're salesmen, not brewmasters.
141   Tenpoundbass   2023 Apr 22, 6:32am  

AmericanKulak says






It's been my experience when a memo is released, and they go in great detail to outline who the replacement will now report to.
Then there's going to be huge shake up and lots of people are about to be axed. When that's not the case, they announce the replacement then go on in a cutsie way about their bio, their dog and long walks on the beach. They make sure everyone knows who the new person reports to, so that when the Bobs show up at your desk. You wont question their authority.
142   Tenpoundbass   2023 Apr 22, 6:41am  

90% of all bad beers taste the same(within the same genre). It either takes great skill to craft a recipe that stands out, or it's like catching lightening in the bottle.
For Micro Breweries I think a lot of times, the later happens. They brew a batch of beer that has a great bouquet and hits your throat sweet spot.
The problem is trying to duplicate that batch again, they rarely if ever hit again. In fact patrons of a micro brewery will talk about that batch, while they drink the inferior subsequent batch. One small step in the process can alter the whole batch of beer for better or worse. Sometimes when they make a great batch, they don't realize it was because they let more time lapse between a process than they realized or remembered, or something like that. Even if the ingredient measurements were always precise and exact every time.
143   NuttBoxer   2023 Apr 22, 8:20am  

WookieMan says

Overrated. They're out of Indiana so they're all over by me. They had cool bottles and that's "why" it's popular. It's not good beer. Think Fear and Loathing type artwork. People bought with their eyes.

It's not even popular in this region. Pretty sure I met an owner at some festival at some point when they were young. Not bad people, but it's definitely a beer snob beer because of their limited production. No different than Spotted Cow in Wisconsin, which only sells in Wisconsin. So it's scarcity as marketing. Three Floyds is no different. They know it won't sell nationally.


I had a Three Floyd's that somehow made it out to the West Coast. It was outstanding. They are consistently highly rated on respected beer rating web sites, where the focus is flavor, fuck the artwork.

I think with you guys who don't like these beers, it's very possible you haven't drank as much as I have, and therefore don't have the same pallet. Or you're exactly what you rail against, beer snobs, who care more about macro-brands than flavor.

I've had more than a few beers I did not like, and wouldn't finish. It's the price I pay for wanting to try new things. But if I didn't do that, I would have missed out on the best beers I've ever had.
144   NuttBoxer   2023 Apr 22, 8:24am  

WookieMan says

Brewing beer is not that complicated. It's about getting flavor YOU want or others if you want to sell to others.


I'm curious, how many times have you guys brewed 10,000 gallon batches? How often have released the same beer that tastes the same way every time, year after year? How many styles have you brewed?

If it where that easy, then why have we all had bad beer from people who make a career of it?

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