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Not sure if Kona was always owned by Anheuser, they had some good beers like their coconut porter. One brand you're missing is Encinitas. Bought by Anheuser several years ago.

Pabst fielded the winning beer at the Chicago World's Fair (1892?) which is when they slapped the "blue ribbon" on it

stfu says

Pabst fielded the winning beer at the Chicago World's Fair (1892?) which is when they slapped the "blue ribbon" on it

Is it a good beer? I don't think I've ever had it.

It's fine. I believe brewed in Milwaukee. Popular college beer but not shitty like Natural. Might not be sold in your region. Just like they don't sell Yuengling in the Chicagoland region.

Pabst jumped the shark in the 80''s. They were once the preferred Red Blooded American beer of choice.
Budweiser was the Biker bar beer. Remember the Budweiser man in the 70's, he was always on a chopper.
Pabst changed their brewing methods and formula sometime in the 80's and turned into beer that one would compare to Natural and Black Label.

I have found the quality of Miller Highlife from region to region will differ. In South Carolina it was the cheap go to beer, for a BBQ or tailgate party. Where as here in South Florida you couldn't force someone to drink it.

From Wiki

Paul Kalmanovitz, a self-made beer and real-estate baron, purchased the Pabst Brewing company in 1985 for $63 million in a hostile takeover through the auspices of his holding company S&P Co.; S&P Co.'s first brewery was Maier Brewing Company, purchased in 1958.When Kalmanovitz died in 1987, S&P became legally inseparable from the Kalmanovitz Charitable Trust.

In 1996, Pabst's entire beer production was contracted out to the Stroh Brewery Company, which utilized excess capacity at the former flagship brewery of the G. Heileman Brewing Company of La Crosse, Wisconsin it had absorbed earlier that year. In turn, the historic Pabst brewery in Milwaukee was closed

Pabst is what white trash drink before they get into brawls.

Bud tries to get back into good graces by running a sudden "Pro-America" ad the other day.

Here is the ad, with some commentary

https://twitter.com/i/status/1647887188422524930?ref_src=patrick.net

Obvious "Damage Control" is obvious.

NuttBoxer says

Pabst is what white trash drink before they get into brawls.

Pabst was the hipster drink for a while, where yuppie twats would drink it "to be ironic". I seriously can't tell the difference between Budweiser, Miller, Pabst, Michelob, Steel Reserve, Corona, etc - maybe if I tasted them side by side I could. But they are all kind of weak tasteless beers that are vaguely distasteful. I'd put KingFisher and Corona in that category as well. I just never developed a taste for it, and I do drink beer.

Used to like stouts for a long time, but that's just too heavy, so red and browns, they're pleasant. I do like IPAs but a lot of people complain about them being too hoppy, well, I like hops, now, I guess, since I've ruined my palette perhaps? ESBs are pleasant too, but again, they are pretty heavy as a beer. It's not like you can drink 6 of them and have a good night's sleep.

There's whole categories of beer, I've just never been able to enjoy Pilsners. One of the best beers I EVER had though was some weird light colored beer that was brewed in Earl Grey tea - it was WEIRD, but great. What a bizarre but enjoyable flavor. I don't think it's made anymore, I must have been the only person on the planet that liked it. There was another beer called Caffrees which was I think a Pilsner, but it was nitro, not carbon dioxide. Very smooth, very weird beer. I could only get that in Boston. I think they are gone too.

PBR was the cheapest beer in SF for many years, some Mission bars used to have 25 cent per can, then 50 cent per can days.

richwicks says

Pabst was the hipster drink for a while, where yuppie twats would drink it "to be ironic". I seriously can't tell the difference between Budweiser, Miller, Pabst, Michelob, Steel Reserve, Corona, etc - maybe if I tasted them side by side I could. But they are all kind of weak tasteless beers that are vaguely distasteful. I'd put KingFisher and Corona in that category as well. I just never developed a taste for it, and I do drink beer.

Yep, and probably full of rice, which is a violation of pretty much every Beer Purity Standard ever published.

AmericanKulak says

Yep, and probably full of rice, which is a violation of pretty much every Beer Purity Standard ever published.

I don't mind if a drink is adulterated by a "non traditional ingredient". Fusion cooking is great after all, generally. I've had amazing "Chinese food" flavored with Mexican spices. It was just so unusual. I'm sure "Chinese food" generally is flavored with "American spices".

My problem is the beer isn't very good. After WWII, you had a lot of soldiers returning with shell shock and the horror of war, so they produced crappy beer in huge volumes. That's the hypothesis I've heard. I knew a few veterans from WWII, and we were warned not to ask about the shit they went through. I knew a guy (as a child, he was an adult) whose job was pulling out bodies from Normandy. My uncle photographed Hiroshima and Nagasaki after the bombing.

I'm anti-war because I know it's fucking awful. They were kids when they got into that shitshow, and they didn't recover from it.

Hey @"Mostly Reader" you still think this fucking war is a good idea? Still hoping for a "side" to win? End the war, the longer it goes on, the more horrific it is. That's all war is. It's just legalized murder, and Russia has superior weapons and better trained people, you can hate that, but that's the situation. The longer it goes on, the more people die. Fucking hate war. I've never experienced it, because I learned before 10, nobody wants to experience it. Everybody that signs up, doesn't know shit about it and I've seen broken men that came out of it and they all knew plenty of people that never came out of it.

WWII could have been EASILY avoided, but Germany was basically a slave population to the banking system, and Hitler took them out of it. That's why he was popular, he defaulted on the Versailles Treaty - a war they didn't even start. He revitalized the economy, abandoning the traditional banking system, made Germany self sufficient, and the rest of Europe couldn't have that, then Germany got crazy. Russia is becoming self-sufficient. Oh no, that can't be fucking allowed, let's blow up the fucking planet to prevent it. Let's all die so some fucking banking assholes can remain in power, that's worth it!

The reason the West has been picking and poking at the bear in Russia, is THEY are threatening to become self sufficient, and now they largely are. Libay got taken out for the same reason, they were threatening to become independent of the Western Banking system. Libya had a lot of gold, didn't need Western Banks to fund wars or fight back, they had plenty of gold... Hopefully our banking system will lose this one, because it would be better for the world. We have a predator banking system, and all wars are banker wars. You just don't know.

WookieMan says

I'm going to disagree. As far as branding Busch is the manliest beer marketing I've seen of any beer.

NO.

The manliest marketing is "fuck you, we're awesome, try it and find out."

All marketing is gay. Women, old people, retards, and gay men pay attention to commercials. Nobody else does. Television is for fags, old people, retards, and woman, no offense - you can see this in the marketing - they are appealing to their marketing demographic. When you watch television, pay attention to the commercials, because the commercial is meant to appeal to the viewer. Or it's just a bribe for social conformance, you'll see this often in news, why does Raytheon advertise on "news", or say, Pfizer? That's because you're not watching a commercial, you're watching a bribe.

I might have tried something ONCE because of marketing, but I largely just turn off all marketing. I got rid of my TV decades ago, and my Internet blocks all adds. If you have to advertise, it's because you suck as a producer of a product. You can't stand on your product, you have to depend on brainwashing - you know, propaganda, to convince the public that your shitty, inferior product, isn't a shitty product.

The only reason people think that TacoBell is good, is because of marketing. You pay for that marketing. Go to hole in the wall shithole (it's important it's a off the beaten path!) mom and pop place, and burrito or taco will be better, or AT LEAST AS GOOD as you can get from a chain. Same thing with burgers. Got a deli that doesn't advertise? Try them instead of Subway. Advertising costs money, you pay for the product, it's an inferior product. Hole in the wall survives because they produce superior products and not superior propaganda. The scariest places I've gone to, have the best food - for the price. I've been to great places, that are expensive, that gets tiresome paying for their rent.

It's the same for everything, nearly.

The problem is finding the product. For food, you're better off trying random places and ignore the Internet, it's a bunch of slobs expecting service and so on, and shills for corporate brands. Some of the best food I've had was literally out of a gas station. They made a mean breakfast. It was catering to truckers and people going to their blue collar jobs, it was great. Blue collar workers keep our society from going to shit.

BTW, trust me with Yelp, I knew people that were being shaken down by them. Give them extra money, they'll give you better reviews, or rather, they suppressed negative reviews. It's not an honest system. Somebody that pays a lot of money will get great reviews (and you pay for that) and somebody that refuses that gets a lower review and you actually get service and quality you're looking for. Yelp isn't useful now.

richwicks says

I don't mind if a drink is adulterated by a "non traditional ingredient". Fusion cooking is great after all, generally. I've had amazing "Chinese food" flavored with Mexican spices. It was just so unusual. I'm sure "Chinese food" generally is flavored with "American spices".

Cheese, Tomatoes and Potatoes are about the only non traditional food item they cook with.
It would take a dufus American hipster to make a Beef and Broccoli with Bullseye BBQ sauce.

I find it's the other way around. There are many Chinese pantry ingredients that benefit some classic Western cuisine dishes.

For example I have replaced Kitchen Boutique(A gravy darkener) with Dark Soy sauce(basically the same thing, but not as bitter if you over do it.)
I find many Savory dishes that will have Soy Sauce and Worstershire sauce.

For dark beers I like Belgium. Complex, and almost like a meal they're so hearty.
I've actually gone back to enjoying hoppy West Coast style IPA's lately, as the whole IPA style has moved so heavily into floral, fruity, hazy with almost no bitterness. Give me ABV's! I'm also a huge fan of sours, wild fermentation, no kettle. There's a company in San Diego, California Wild Ales, that only makes wild fermented. Most unique style's I've had from them, beet, and one that tasted like cheese(stinky feet). Another odd beer I had was an experimental from Ballest Point(before the buyout), made with Oregano. Very good.

When I first started drinking was only Heineken. Eventually I moved to Newcastle. Then started trying craft beer. If you only drink macro-brews, you are missing out on a whole world of flavor and complexity, and you'll never know what your favorite beer style is. There's too much good beer in the world to only drink one.

I used to love New Castle, then they something happened to them, they got over priced, and I can't drink a 6 pack without getting that nasty hangover that normally comes from over processed beers like Budweiser. I think they screwed with the formula to keep up with production demand. They were everywhere for a while. Now I don't see them as much. That could be because InBev knocked them off the shelves. Distributors will make their customers not carry other brands. I think that has happened to Anchor Steam and Shiner Bock as well. As I never see those at places that I used to see them.

I'm pissed I can't find Anchor Steam.

LOL I saw Branco in an interview. If you saw that guy on the street, you would assume he is a used car lot manager.

He doesn't look the part as one of the best political cartoonist. Well neither does Garrison, he looks like a Ranch worker.

Tenpoundbass says

I used to love New Castle, then they something happened to them, they got over priced, and I can't drink a 6 pack without getting that nasty hangover that normally comes from over processed beers like Budweiser. I think they screwed with the formula to keep up with production demand. They were everywhere for a while. Now I don't see them as much. That could be because InBev knocked them off the shelves. Distributors will make their customers not carry other brands. I think that has happened to Anchor Steam and Shiner Bock as well. As I never see those at places that I used to see them.

Yeah, Newcastle was my go to. I've noticed an aftertaste that wasn't there before. I gotta get back into brewing my own shit again.

NuttBoxer says

Pabst is what white trash drink before they get into brawls.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=56duVYLsd4Q

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BKZqGJONH68

Tenpoundbass says

For example I have replaced Kitchen Boutique(A gravy darkener) with Dark Soy sauce(basically the same thing, but not as bitter if you over do it.)
I find many Savory dishes that will have Soy Sauce and Worstershire sauce.

I have a recommendation for you, try "black salt" - you can get it at any Indian store, and it's not black, it's pink.

https://www.amazon.com/dp/B07GFGQ38G?th=1&language=en_US

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kala_namak

What it really is, is salt with sulfur in it. I use that all the time. It's not really a table salt, but when you're cooking, it really adds a bunch of flavor.

There's a lot of common spices and flavors of other nations, that I think ought to be more popular. The first time you have black salt, you're going to notice "oh, that's the flavor in Indian food", and it is.

AmericanKulak says

Tenpoundbass says

I used to love New Castle, then they something happened to them, they got over priced, and I can't drink a 6 pack without getting that nasty hangover that normally comes from over processed beers like Budweiser. I think they screwed with the formula to keep up with production demand. They were everywhere for a while. Now I don't see them as much. That could be because InBev knocked them off the shelves. Distributors will make their customers not carry other brands. I think that has happened to Anchor Steam and Shiner Bock as well. As I never see those at places that I used to see them.

Yeah, Newcastle was my go to. I've noticed an aftertaste that wasn't there before. I gotta get back into brewing my own shit again.

@Tenpoundbass

NewCastle was sold in 2017 and that's when they screwed up:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Newcastle_Brown_Ale#Move_to_Zoeterwoude_Brewery,_the_Netherlands

It's not the same beer. You can't buy the original beer anymore.

That's what happened!

I mostly drink IPA's or wine to get my buzz on and drink Michelob Ultra to be responsible and hydrate.

I live in ground zero of the IPA world and my local pizza place (Pizza Port) makes great IPA's.

Well FUCK Boddington's is defunct as well!

Those Commie UK Shit Finger Mother Fuckers!

Thanks GOD all of the sensible Irish people have fled the UK isles and took Guinness with them.
Expatriates in Malaysia told me, the beer brewed for the South Asian Market is the best in the world. We get it from Canada.
And now I suspect, that if it were up to Dublin alone, they would have shut Guinness down years ago as well .

Ah so it seems Guinness bought the Nitro Infused Can that Boddington used. That explains a lot, why it started popping up at the time Boddington's disappeared

I swear I have had Boddingtons at least 10 occasions since it's closing in 2005. I guess I was buying 5 and ten year old beer.
I also remember around 2017 New Castle being $9.9 a 12 pack. and remembering it was cheap. I thought it was being blown out because it was old. But I guess it was just the last batch of a dead brand at the beverage store. As that was the last time I remember seeing it around.

https://babylonbee.com/news/bud-light-smooths-things-over-with-new-ad-featuring-drag-queens-waving-american-flags

Tenpoundbass says

I swear I have had Boddingtons at least 10 occasions since it's closing in 2005.

The only time I had Boddington's was when I was in Manchester, England in 1980. I did not know it was even sold outside of Britain.

socal2 says

I live in ground zero of the IPA world and my local pizza place (Pizza Port) makes great IPA's.

They hardly have any West Coast IPA's on tap though. Not sure where you live, but since they opened one in IB, I go there most of the time. No traffic, lots of parking, and no crowds. Love IB!

Also, did you go to the original location when they were all saying "My dude" right after Stranger Things 4? Was even a guy working there who looked like the dude from the pizza place in the show.

HeadSet says

Tenpoundbass says

I swear I have had Boddingtons at least 10 occasions since it's closing in 2005.

The only time I had Boddington's was when I was in Manchester, England in 1980. I did not know it was even sold outside of Britain.

They were sold on tap in some British Pubs, and sold in 20oz Cans in a four pack. The cans had a nitrogen capsule in them, that activated when you opened the can. Like Guinness now does with their 20oz can.

Tenpoundbass says

I also remember around 2017 New Castle being $9.9 a 12 pack. and remembering it was cheap. I thought it was being blown out because it was old. But I guess it was just the last batch of a dead brand at the beverage store. As that was the last time I remember seeing it around.

richwicks says

NewCastle was sold in 2017 and that's when they screwed up:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Newcastle_Brown_Ale#Move_to_Zoeterwoude_Brewery,_the_Netherlands

Aha! The last time I brought Newcastle around 2021 I thought I just got a bad batch. It usually tastes better "Skunked". This explains it.

I'll have to try Yuengling's Black and Tan as a potential substitute, though Newcastle is an Old Ale mixed with something else, not exactly the same. Or find a Scotch Ale, my next favorite.

Or get back to brewing.

OH

Although the beer being produced for Newcastle at the Lagunitas facility is still called Newcastle Brown Ale, the Lagunitas-brewed product will feature a different label than that of other Newcastle Brown Ales brewed at 75 breweries around the world and a different recipe.

“It’s a homebrewer’s classic take on an original brown ale,” Tay said. “Lagunitas brewmaster Jeremy Marshall really modernized the recipe, and he’s using American hops like Chinook and Centennial to create something smooth, crisp, and roasty.”

https://www.forbes.com/sites/kennygould/2019/03/07/newcastle-brown-ale-heineken-lagunitas/?sh=422d610f1f27

That ain't an English Brown Ale, which is malty with a touch of Fuggles hops. Crisp my ass, it's supposed to be malty and caramel/toffee tones.

No wonder the last batch I had tasted like a Microbrewfag creation instead of like the Old Classic.

“It’s the Brooklyn dads and the world travelers,” Tay said. “These guys are young. They’re out there enjoying life, and they have affiliation with a brand that has no qualms with making fun of themselves.”

In other words, reformulated to "Urban Hipsters". Complete with the "Crisp" Western hops and too much of them.

AmericanKulak says

No wonder the last batch I had tasted like a Microbrewfag creation instead of like the Old Classic.

Lagunitas was bought out my Anhuser years ago. I stopped drinking their beer when that happened. What you are tasting is pure macro-brewing my friend, which is what you were tasting before as well. NewCastle is a transition beer, like Guinness. It's a gateway to better beer, not the last stop. For something more authentic to England try Samuel Smith.

AmericanKulak says

OH

Although the beer being produced for Newcastle at the Lagunitas facility is still called Newcastle Brown Ale, the Lagunitas-brewed product will feature a different label than that of other Newcastle Brown Ales brewed at 75 breweries around the world and a different recipe.

“It’s a homebrewer’s classic take on an original brown ale,” Tay said. “Lagunitas brewmaster Jeremy Marshall really modernized the recipe, and he’s using American hops like Chinook and Centennial to create something smooth, crisp, and roasty.”

https://www.forbes.com/sites/kennygould/2019/03/07/newcastle-brown-ale-heineken-lagunitas/?sh=422d610f1f27

That ain't an English Brown Ale, which is malty with a touch of Fuggles hops. Crisp my ass, it's supposed to be malty and caramel/toffee tones.

They destroy everything with the too much hops shit. You only need that much hops if you have insomnia, and it tastes like shit. The perfect amount of hops IMO is a (German) Pilsner

Bud Light sales down 7% - a good chunk of the profit margin probably - and some other early stats from the Industry and Insiders
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OjA8v1Tflno

NuttBoxer says

macro-brewing my friend,

Yes sir, by this I meant "Hipster Microbrewery IPA heavy hopped and/or stupid exotic ingredients in every offering" style. More the spirit than the process.

mell says

They destroy everything with the too much hops shit. You only need that much hops if you have insomnia, and it tastes like shit. The perfect amount of hops IMO is a (German) Pilsner

Yes, and they love the Pine Sol tasting hops most!