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AmericanKulak says

Yes, but I need to be arsed to discover more.

Don't make a claim you cannot support.

AmericanKulak says

The old "Muh Hitler dindu nuffin wrong" has been debunked countless times.

Don't strawman positions. I'm an OLLLD hand at this game.

AmericanKulak says

For example, the badge removal during the Beer Hall Pusch Days; Irving completely twisted the original sources to be what it wasn't - Hitler WANTED party members to wear their badges when socialistically terrorizing private property. Irving makes it sound like Hitler punished somebody for behaving like an Antifa rioter.

OK, source?

AmericanKulak says

Let me know when you have evidence, not utterly unbacked speculation of a non-accidental motive.

The motive has been given several times, to draw the US into a war against Egypt by framing Egypt for the attack. Is this true? I don't know, I know there wasn't a Congressional investigation into it, and the survivors were given medals in secret, not publicly.

I think that's a little suspicious..

I remember trying to discuss THIS incidence back in the late 1990's, and fools would march in claiming there WAS a Congressional investigation, but they couldn't give dates, they were just lying about it. Always when you try to discuss Israel, anything they do that might CONCEIVABLY be bad, all these fuckers come in and just make the conversation impossible. This even happened on USENet.

AmericanKulak says

The USS Liberty was more than a half-century ago, before Disco, before Nixon, before the VCR.

Yeah. So what. The Holocaust was more than 75 years ago, before Israel existd, before Rock and Roll, before Eisenhower, before Civil Rights, before desegregation, before Elvis, before Count Folke Bernadotte was murdered by order of Yitzhak Shamir when he was one of the triumvirate of Lehi. I guess we can just forget about then. Finally!

Let sleeping dogs lie, RIGHT?

OH... I bet you have another standard for that. Hypocrisy abounds.

AmericanKulak says

What college did Rachel Corrie attend?

Same one as Matt Groening, Evergreen State College. Is that supposed to have relevancy? What does it matter what her mindset was, or even her politics were?

AmericanKulak says

Was she standing up or lying down?

I don't know, you can't discuss it, as I've already pointed out. We TRIED to discuss it at the time, but it was broken up by a bunch of asshole propagandists from GIYUS. Israel would lie about the situation, they often do. The only way to know would be with video evidence and considering it was 2003, cameras were hardly as commonplace as they are now.

AmericanKulak says

Was Rachel Corie a humanitarian, or a useful idiot Socialist, the same kind who claim Maduro was duly elected?

Who cares? Was she purposely killed or not? Again, we couldn't find out because of GIYUS twats. You aren't allowed to discuss anything Israel does, unless you do it in secret. I'm not kidding either.

richwicks says

Don't make a claim you cannot support.

Let's do that : with suspicions of USS Liberty motives, and assertions that Epstein worked for Mossad. Evidence, not speculation. Memos, recordings, etc. like Victoria Nuland's taped phone call re: Ukraine Coup.

From what I've read - including reports from a lecture he gave in Glasgow and some speeches he gave to the National Alliance in the 90s, that's he's anti-semitic. Though I think more of a contrarian who got it in his head young that Britain shouldn't have fought Hitler so he could have had more toys during the WW2 rationing.

richwicks says

OK, source?

Here you go: The content creator compares Irving's claims to the Primary Source Material, and finds Irving added and distorted what was reported, per Evans, who testified for the Defense at Irving vs. Penguin Books. Irving lost, by the way, with the Court deciding it was reasonable to call him a Holocaust Denier.
https://youtu.be/VsLW7VrOpA8?t=39

Walks viewer right through it, and asks the viewer to note the claims being made by Irving, and then compares them to the quotes made by participant of the event in question.

He gives another example of Irving distorting what happened to the Jews in Rome, Kesselring wanting to keep them as laborers, Berlin demanding he send them for "Liquidation".

richwicks says

The motive has been given asserted or speculated upon several times, to draw the US into a war against Egypt by framing Egypt for the attack.

Fixed. There was a Navy investigation into it, yes? The US accepted the indemnities, yes?

richwicks says

Yeah. So what. The Holocaust was more than 75 years ago, before Israel existd, before Rock and Roll, before Eisenhower, before Civil Rights, before desegregation, before Elvis, before Count Folke Bernadotte was murdered by order of Yitzhak Shamir when he was one of the triumvirate of Lehi. I guess we can just forget about then. Finally!

Mmm, I think there's some context differential. We're confusing a friendly fire attack on one ship over an hour with an organized, systemic, multi-year labor/death camp process involving quite a few more people participating somehow as victim or perpetrator.

richwicks says

Who cares? Was she purposely killed or not? Again, we couldn't find out because of GIYUS twats. You aren't allowed to discuss anything Israel does, unless you do it in secret. I'm not kidding either.

We know plenty about Rachel Corie. She came from notorious left radical Evergreen College to enter into a country with the express purpose of assisting in anti-government activities, threw herself in front of a tractor, and perished voluntarily. FAFO, though the driver - who in a sniper protected tractor - with less viewable area - did not see her laying down with the bucket in the way. Of course propagandists will insist they were somehow in the driver's mind and somehow know he really saw her laying down among the rubble.

Plays are made about her, posters printed, moaning and groaning on old Indymedia and Technocracy NOW! and of course Electronic Intifada and various muh Odin websites.

Whereas Sbarro Diners or Achille Lauro Tourists did not enter into their activites with the purpose of opposing an overseas government. Yet they get no attention from the same Humanitarians worried about Peace and Evil compared to the Red Buttinsky from Washington State.

AmericanKulak says

It's to protect...

(FILL IN THE BLANK)

The globalists system. Romney’s kid, and a bunch of others are also on the take. That’s how the globalists pay their minions.

https://babylonbee.com/news/the-us-is-not-a-banana-republic-says-biden-while-showing-off-cool-new-uniform

The most absurd thing is the Presidential Records Act has no crimnal penalty in it.
There's no way they can charge Trump with violating the Espionage Act, which is entirely different.
Edit: Evidently they are trying to pin Espionage Act charges on Trump.
This is absolutely absurd and will not withstand scrutiny.
So, Trump was " selling secrets to our enemies " or similar.
They really are crazy with TDS.

clambo says

The most absurd thing is the Presidential Records Act has no crimnal penalty in it..
There's no way they can charge Trump with violating the Espionage Act, which is entirely different.

This is really a dumb move by Biden/DOJ to slow down political opponent while having similar documents with Biden (perhaps Obama/Bush/Clinton etc).

Blue says

This is really a dumb move by Biden/DOJ to slow down political opponent while having similar documents with Biden (perhaps Obama/Bush/Clinton etc).

Yes, and especially bad because Biden was Vice President with no declassification powers.

At least in Miami there is less chance of a jury that will be dominated by Democrats and Wokes.

I would not want to be a dissident or political target of the Democrats tried in a court in New York City, Alexandria, VA, Tallahassee, etc.

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AmericanKulak says

It's to protect...

(FILL IN THE BLANK)

My fill in the blank answer is the Deep State cabal that is stealing the American citizens blind. I have a lot of respect for Catherine Austin Fitts, who about a year ago conducted an investigation into the government's debt, using CBO official documents and data. To her amazement, she found that, officially, the CBO has over $21 TRILLION "missing and unaccounted for" from their books!

So where do you hide that unimaginable amount of money? In highly secret off shore accounts, where it is then eventually converted to jewels, precious metals, rare art, expensive real estate and even farm land.

Is anyone else just getting numb to this shit? There are legit incriminating things from past presidents and others. Nothing happens or rarely happens. And who gives a shit about classified documents? The bigger worry should be about corporate documents and especially those companies with government contracts.

I'm sure Trump has skeletons in the closet, but at this point I think the witch hunt is just a waste of time. Fact is the Dems need to find an actual candidate. Covid is over. I don't think mail in ballots will be as much this time around.

AmericanKulak says

Let's do that : with suspicions of USS Liberty motives, and assertions that Epstein worked for Mossad.

Oh my fucking god. Here: USS Liberty: https://www.usslibertyveterans.org/

They were there. There was no Congressional investigation, it was covered up. When the US government covers something up, it's because the US government was fucking involved with it.

Epstein and ISRAEL, might be Mossad - I don't know how many freaking intelligence agencies Israel has. Epstein's handler was Ghislaine Maxwell, and he was not a brilliant stock trader. He got his money from Les Wexner, who sold Epstein the NYC mansion he bought (which was previously a school), for $1.00. His long time "girlfriend" was Ghislaine Maxwell, whose father was a spy for Mi6, Mossad, and possibly the KGB - that's Robert Maxwell who after he was murdered, got an Israeli state funeral. The Maxwell family, is a family of spies.

It's like, how much fucking evidence do you want?

It's like Mostly Reader denying that there was a coup in Ukraine just because Victoria Nuland was deciding more than 2 weeks and 4 days before Yanukovych was ousted, I mean, it's not absolute proof, maybe it's just a 1 in a trillion coincidence! I can't wake up a man that pretends to sleep.

you can’t and you don’t need to. reality eventually wakes people up when illusion can no longer be maintained by curtain pullers.

WookieMan says

Is anyone else just getting numb to this shit?

You mean Numb to the TDS that has dominated media and now Biden and other deranged maniac Dems are continuing it by taking it to the next level by weaponizing the government to attack the biggest threat to their power, a populist with more votes than any other sitting president In American history?WookieMan says

There are legit incriminating things from past presidents and others.

Yes, but those people supported the deep state globalists. It seems that to some degree Trump did not.WookieMan says

at this point I think the witch hunt is just a waste of time.

The witch hunt is to discredit Trump enough with the swing voters that they can push through some milquetoast globalist schill in either the primary or general election.

WookieMan says

Fact is the Dems need to find an actual candidate

The Dems don’t need a candidate, As long as they have a RINO/Trojan horse globalist schill like DeSantis or Chris Christie they win even if they lose.

WookieMan says

Covid is over. I don't think mail in ballots will be as much this time around.

There will still be enough ballot harvesting in swing districts to change the outcome of the election. Democrats counting votes, or worse yet, “computers” counting votes, guarantees fraud.

PeopleUnited says

The Dems don’t need a candidate, As long as they have a RINO/Trojan horse globalist schill like DeSantis or Chris Christie they win even if they lose.

^^^^ THIS ^^^^

People think DeSantis is just great because he put the breaks on the stupid covid policies and ended some bullshit in the culture war.

We're facing a direct confrontation with Russia, a nuclear super power. We are still involved with Yemen, Somalia, and Syria and we're funding Ukraine which is just getting Ukrainians killed.

These wars are bankrupting this nation.

Illegal immigrants are and important issue as well. We have a MAJOR problem with our bureaucracy. If he does nothing with them, nothing important will change.

You might well point out he's ended a lot of this transkids bullshit in Florida. How many kids does this effect? Estimates place the current number of "transkids" at about 0.7% of the population, and Florida isn't that much on extreme liberalism.

Still, I think they will steal the election for the Democrats. Part of the reason they do this is to underscore that we can't vote our way out of this.

AmericanKulak says

Here you go: The content creator compares Irving's claims to the Primary Source Material, and finds Irving added and distorted what was reported, per Evans, who testified for the Defense at Irving vs. Penguin Books. Irving lost, by the way, with the Court deciding it was reasonable to call him a Holocaust Denier.
https://youtu.be/VsLW7VrOpA8?t=39

No specific examples are provided in that video of errors of Irving. The quotes of Richard J. Evans (if they ARE his quotes) are all just ad-hominem. These are 3rd party opinions.

There's no links to primary documents.

I don't want to read 3rd party accounts. My German is terrible, but translators aren't.

I know this is a hurdle to climb, but I'm forever fucking pissed off nobody links to documents. Nobody. I mean, is there not enough room on the Internet?

I'm not so much concerned about who Hitler was either. I'm concerned if Jewish bodies were being turned into soap and lampshades, and if 6 million people were killed in gas chambers. Those are the big lies.

This is the sort of shit I wade through on this subject:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YhCbHZPwEEQ

"Max Blumenthal interviews Holocaust denier David Irving"

Irving isn't a holocaust denier. His position is simply that he cannot find any evidence of actual gas chambers, he can't find any orders to exterminate people in gas chambers. He believes PLENTY of Jews were killed, just there were no gas chamber camps. Why would there be?

If I was a sociopath and I wanted to just kill people, I'd shovel them on a train, and I'd fill the trains with carbon monoxide. They wouldn't even know what was happening. They'd get giddy first, then sleepy, then die. They'd have no idea what was happening to them unless they were experienced with oxygen deprivation. I wouldn't use a CYANIDE POISON. I might just use Nitrogen with no oxygen in the gas. That works just as well. I'm not a chemist, but I think that would be more difficult to do in 1940 something. I suppose you could remove oxygen by burning iron dust. You can burn a brillo pad.

AmericanKulak says

Walks viewer right through it, and asks the viewer to note the claims being made by Irving, and then compares them to the quotes made by participant of the event in question.

What book? What page? What speech? What video?

Why isn't that information included?

WookieMan says

Fact is the Dems need to find an actual candidate.

I had high hopes that Kennedy could be that candidate, but then he comes out and supports the ridiculously corrupt US-instigated war in Ukraine, proving he's just another puppet after all.

Patrick says

WookieMan says

Fact is the Dems need to find an actual candidate.

I had high hopes that Kennedy could be that candidate, but then he comes out and supports the ridiculously corrupt US-instigated war in Ukraine, proving he's just another puppet after all.

Remember what politics is - in order to be in it, you have to be willing to lie. He MIGHT be lying, he might be ignorant, but even worse, he might be lying about Ukraine yet STILL support the war.

I can't see how our establishment in either party can't see Ukraine is just being fucked by this war. It's going to destroy the country one way or another. The death toll is horrific and I've heard as low as 150,000 Ukrainians dead up to 300,000 dead. The LOWEST estimate is just mind boggling for a country of 25 million people. They lowest estimate would be 0.6% of the population, double that to 1.2% because only men are fighting, and double it again because it's civil war and you get about 2.4%. Now if you double it again if it's at the highest estimate, that's about 5% of the male population of Western Ukraine. It's horrifying. That's 1 out of 20 men.

Kennedy is the best out of the bunch on the DNC side. For RNC, I would say Trump then DeSantis and I don't trust DeSantis.

Any candidate blessed by the establishment will be yet another disaster.

PeopleUnited says

The witch hunt is to discredit Trump enough with the swing voters that they can push through some milquetoast globalist schill in either the primary or general election.

Correct. Many people who would vote for Trump will not because Trump is now "divisive" of "controversial."

PeopleUnited says

There will still be enough ballot harvesting in swing districts to change the outcome of the election. Democrats counting votes, or worse yet, “computers” counting votes, guarantees fraud.

Correct. They know they will get away with fraud, so the strategy will be to manufacture ballots in critical districts.

PeopleUnited says

The Dems don’t need a candidate, As long as they have a RINO/Trojan horse globalist schill like DeSantis or Chris Christie they win even if they lose.

You know - at some point you guys will have to show some real evidence and ACTIONS supporting the lame and retarded claim that DeSantis is some sort of "Globalist Schill".

If I stack up the actual governing accomplishments of DeSantis against Trump's governing accomplishments of Trump going soft on crime, doing nothing about education, doing nothing about spending, being soft on the LGBTQ+ mafia, allowing Fauci to shut the country down and generally getting circles run around him by the Deep State - it is a no brainer IMO.

If Trump was smart - he would be stepping back and putting his support around DeSantis hoping he will get a pardon.

IF the purported video is true of Trump opening his big mouth and bragging and showing off Iran battle plans to people lacking security clearance and acknowledging that he didn't declassify the docs while President - I think Trump's goose is cooked - and rightfully so.

Trump was the first President I can recall who didn’t start any wars.

DeSantis certainly will, if given a chance, or at least he will continue Ukraine. Trump might actually be able to end it.

PeopleUnited says

Trump might actually be able to end it.

It would end as soon as Trump won the election.

https://protrumpnews.com/donald-trump-widens-lead-over-primary-field-post-indictment/

Donald Trump Widens Lead Over Primary Field Post Indictment

The indictment of Donald Trump is making him even stronger.

According to a post-indictment CBS Poll, Donald Trump continues to dominate the GOP primary.

He has his biggest lead yet.

Twitter:

Trump — 61% (+38)
DeSantis — 23%
T. Scott — 4%
Pence — 4%
Haley — 3%
Ramaswamy — 1%
Hutchinson — 1%
Burgum — 1%
Elder — 1%
Christie — 1%

Breitbart reported:

A poll indicates that former President Donald Trump has widened his lead in the GOP primary following the Department of Justice’s indictment of him for allegedly mishandling classified documents at his Florida home.

Surveying 1,798 potential voters between June 9-10 with a margin of error ±3.3 points, the CBS News poll showed the former president had 61 percent support in the Republican primary, leading his opponent, Florida Gov. Ron DeSantis by a full 38 points – 61 percent to 23 percent. Republican Sen. Tim Scott (SC) stands in third place with just 4 percent of support, just one point ahead of former U.N. Ambassador Nikki Haley.

The poll had more great news for Donald Trump.

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If I am a political target of the Democrat DOJ and FBI like a Soviet-era dissident, I rather be tried in a federal court in Miami then in a Democrat of Woke shithole like Tallahassee, New York City, Atlanta, or Alexandria, Virginia.

It will be less of a chance of a Soviet Show Trial.

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HeadSet says

PeopleUnited says

Trump might actually be able to end it.

It would end as soon as Trump won the election.

I envy your faith.

I honestly do. This isn't to insult your or diminish you, but my hope doesn't come from god, or any faith, it's experience.

I don't think Trump will be allowed to run, and even if he's allowed to run and even he's made president, he won't be allowed to end the war.

I have NO FAITH in this government at all. None. And I don't believe there's a super entity looking over us. I wish I could believe it. I don't even think 1/2 the people on this planet are even human at this point, seriously. They are more robot than human. I hear the television babble come out of them all the time.

The liberals, democrats, losers, fags, trannies and their ilk all remind me of the girls I have dated when they get drunk; they all act out their rage and never consider that the consequences are negative for them, leaving me unscathed.

Any thinking liberal (a contradiction) would see that they are turning Trump into a martyr with all of the bullshit about nothing.

What's next?; they kick down your door and say "You didn't save the last 7 years of your 1040! Book him Danno!"

I hope that Trump stomps their sorry loser asses into the dirt, and the guilty go to prison to bust rocks under the hot sun.

richwicks says

I don't think Trump will be allowed to run, and even if he's allowed to run and even he's made president, he won't be allowed to end the war.

The Commiecrats are running the Leftist playbook that has been played in every country that has had a Nationalist leader elected as their leader.
The Left in those countries did everything they could to undermine them, and when they failed, they trumped up bullshit charges. Many were even arrested.
In every single instance, not only did that Conservative populist beat those cases, but went on to win the next election, or had the Global Homo apparatus steal the election they would have won in a landslide.
Lefty idiots will keep trying the same thing over and over, even when they saw it fail when other's tried it.

It happened in Hungary, Italy, Israel and Brazil. It will be no different here.
Lula will end up in jail eventually and Bolanario will be the President of Brazil again.

ad says

It will be less of a chance of a Soviet Show Trial.

I dunno. Miami is quite woke as well, and I am sure they shopped for the correct judge. "Even a red state court convicted him!"

socal2 says

real evidence and ACTIONS supporting the lame and retarded claim that DeSantis is some sort of "Globalist Schill

He is liked by supporters of the Ukraine war.

ad says

less of a chance of a Soviet Show Trial.

It IS a show trial!

Democrats, Media and the Deep-state are playing us like a drum. Conservatives and Libertarians are supposed to be about logic and recognize the world for the flaws we have, but we are letting our emotions get the best of us and we are sleepwalking into another bloodbath if we nominate Trump - IMO.

IF the reporting on the video is true of Trump showing classified battle plans to people and bragging that they were still classified - this is incredibly illegal
and reckless incompetence by Trump to give the Democrats and the Deep-state this much ammunition.

Doesn't matter how much we say "But Hillary" or complain about a biased judicial system - a jury is only going to see the video tape of Trump bragging about committing a crime. These aren't insignificant mementos. Battle plans aren't the personal papers or documents of Trump.

Despite some notable accomplishments on judges, immigration and foreign policy, Trump was awful on domestic policy, having no experience, staff or skill to dismantle our corrupt Government bureaucracies. Trump bailed on his allies like Flynn in a New York minute, gave Bureaucrats like Fauci and Wray free reign and is now bad mouthing all of his former staff that were halfway competent. Who the fuck is going to work with Trump 2.0 that has any skill?

Before Trump turned all Liberal this past month, DeSantis shared 98% of Trump's positions and has the experience, brains and DISCIPLINE to dismantle the FBI and DOJ. DeSantis is also polling better against any Democrat than Trump currently is in the General.

But we are to believe that DeSantis is a secret Globalist Homo (because reasons??) and that Only Trump can get done in 4 years what he failed to do in 2016-2020........all the while Trump is even more handicapped by indictments, age, not competent staff and term limits?

Are we really this fucking retarded?

socal2 says

Are we really this fucking retarded?

Depends, who did you vote for?

Onvacation says

Depends, who did you vote for?

I voted for Trump in 2020 and will vote for him again above any Democrat in 24. I think Trump is getting screwed, but he is also bringing alot of this onto himself.

What I won't accept is that Trump was perfect and he is the ONLY candidate that can win in 24 and get things done.

Here is Trump just a few years ago defending his pick of Wray at the FBI because Democrats liked him and Chris Christie vouched for him. There are so many painful examples like this where Trump made very bad decisions on personnel and policy because he wanted to be liked by his former Democrat friends and assholes in the Media and Hollywood.

https://twitter.com/NvrBackDown24/status/1668419225185026048

socal2 says

What I won't accept is that Trump was perfect and he is the ONLY candidate that can win in 24 and get things done.

Who's claiming Trump is perfect? He's better than Biden.

DeSantis reminds me of Romney; a spoiler of elections secretly working for the communists trying to take over America.

socal2 says

There are so many painful examples like this where Trump made very bad decisions on personnel and policy

Agreed. It makes you wonder if he is just a hired actor paid for by the very deep state he claims to battle.

socal2 says

But we are to believe that DeSantis is a secret Globalist Homo (because reasons??)

The need for reasons flew out of window loooooong time ago. Now just a proclamation is enough.

Onvacation says

DeSantis reminds me of Romney; a spoiler of elections secretly working for the communists trying to take over America.

FFS - this is why we can't have nice things and why we are governed by Liberal retards.

It is becoming next to impossible to make a Conservative case for Trump's ability to win, let alone his ability to govern - so we are back to dopey attacks on DeSantis. At least you are not making Leftist attacks against DeSantis record like Trump and his surrogates have made in recent weeks.

We are to believe DeSantis' entire life's accomplishments and record over the past 20 years (which are substantial if you claim to be against Leftism) has all been a sUpeR sEcret head-fake to usher in Communism for this moment in 2024?

BTW - here you our boy Paul Ryan this week making Trump's argument that it is a mistake to battle the left on the culture wars.
https://twitter.com/CurtisHouck/status/1668604854539804674

And here is Trump praising Paul Ryan to remind all of us on how weak Trump is about judging character.
https://twitter.com/realstickyclick/status/1668672235983257620

Tenpoundbass says

Lula will end up in jail eventually and Bolanario will be the President of Brazil again.

I don't know. Glenn Greenwald is in Brazil, and he helped expose that Lula wasn't guilty. He's also the same person that exposed the Snowden files.

It's not left or right, it's right versus wrong, truth versus fiction.

The "left" isn't necessarily bad, they just have a much more complex system that can be corrupted.

The "left" thinks they can control government although they have never been proven to be able to do that, the "right" thinks the government is uncontrollable and therefore want to limit it. That's the real difference.