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The right answer to the student loan crisis: student loans must once again be dischargable in bankruptcy just like all other debt


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2023 Jul 1, 1:17pm   2,887 views  56 comments

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While it's true that the personal cost for bad borrowing decisions should not be pushed onto taxpayers, much lending is also predatory and always has been, exploiting ignorance about how quickly compound interest accrues.

I was working at Wells Fargo in I think 2006 when student loan debt was made non-dischargable as a gift to banks and their lobbyists. Even then I thought that it was unfair to make this one kind of debt especially onerous.

And this gift to the banks has had the desired effect of trapping millions of naive students with debt for life, debt that a lot of them can never realistically hope to repay.

My argument is that student loan debt should be treated like any other debt, as the Constitution has this:


To establish an uniform Rule of Naturalization, and uniform Laws on the subject of Bankruptcies throughout the United States


One could argue that they meant uniform across states, but one could also argue that they meant uniform across all kinds of debt.

So I would support a Supreme Court decision which makes student debt once again like any other kind of debt.

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35   RWSGFY   2024 Feb 27, 5:59pm  

Patrick says







What are we going to do with a military that big? What are purple-haired baristas with gender studies degrees gonna do in that military?
36   AmericanKulak   2024 Feb 27, 6:36pm  

RWSGFY says


What are we going to do with a military that big? What are purple-haired baristas with gender studies degrees gonna do in that military?

Set themselves on fire from their Anime Anarchist account.
41   richwicks   2024 May 7, 6:32pm  

Patrick says







What? To start a war with Iran? Kazakhstan? Liberia? Ethiopia?

Who cares? As long as it's another fucking war, our government can pilfer 100's of billions of dollars from taxpayers, setup schemes to funnel this money back to themselves, and leave us holding the fucking bag, AGAIN, like they've been doing for 25 years. Who cares how many people it kills, how much it costs US taxpayers, who gives a shit? Let's waste more fucking money, and remember, these are the people doing it:


43   DemocratsAreTotallyFucked   2024 May 23, 9:15am  

Patrick says






Democrats just shit all over working class America.

45   HeadSet   2024 May 27, 8:07am  

Forgiving student loans even offended long time Dem shill James Carville:

“Why are we forgiving student loans for people that go to Harvard? Which, according to Scott Galloway, quite accurately, is nothing but a hedge fund that has classrooms. Well, they got a $52 billion f**king surplus,” he continued, “Why are taxpayers going to bail these people out? Why don’t you come out with a proposal to tax every university with an endowment of over $5 billion and use that money to give their former students relief?”
https://americanwirenews.com/james-carville-not-a-big-fan-of-his-partys-messaging-full-of-sht/

Taxing endowments was long a Trump proposal, and an excellent idea. Also, do not use the endowments to pay off loans, use them to reimburse tuition. Reimbursing tuition is more fair to those who paid through savings, worked their way through, or chose hard majors that actually had future market value.
47   stereotomy   2024 May 31, 1:18pm  

Back in the 1980's,TX universities charged $500 per semester. By the late 1990's it was about $1000 a semester. It was almost the same for NY - any SUNY university was $1000 a semester.

The middle class is being thrown under the bus. All hail globohomo.
49   Patrick   2024 Aug 29, 11:24am  

https://www.coffeeandcovid.com/p/kong-thursday-august-29-2024-c-and/comment/67157447


Susan
51 mins ago
I still have student loans, I looked at my statement recently, as I had put on automatic payments, but it only appeared to be for one of the loans, which I did pay off, but have others. When I looked at the federal website for my loans, it shows they are in deferment until 2033 and 2043. Just so you all know, I didn't ask for that, they just up and did it. If the world (or me) doesn't end this next year, I still hope to pay it off.
50   clambo   2024 Aug 29, 11:50am  

The nature of a student loan is it's based on
1. zero credit
2. zero collateral
3. zero assets of the student

There is no way that such a loan should be forgiven at taxpayers expense.
Also, banks should not get fucked over because they lent money to a loser.
Banks are a business with shareholders who don't deserve to get fucked by the losers.
51   GNL   2024 Aug 29, 4:40pm  

clambo says


The nature of a student loan is it's based on
1. zero credit
2. zero collateral
3. zero assets of the student

There is no way that such a loan should be forgiven at taxpayers expense.
Also, banks should not get fucked over because they lent money to a loser.
Banks are a business with shareholders who don't deserve to get fucked by the losers.

You cannot be serious? Yes, the taxpayer should definitely not be on the hook. Please don’t overlook some of the even dumber things the taxpayer is on the hook for though…$35,000,000,000,000 and counting.

It’s the banks, ok? The banks are in collusion with .gov though. What to do, what to do?

The banks and the government don’t give no shit about you or I.
52   NewGuy   2024 Aug 29, 6:51pm  

Student loans are ridiculous. With the internet, anyone should be able to get a bachelor level education for less then 1K.

Once there, graduate level education actually pays the student for most degrees as you are doing useful research for the professor.

The exception is medical and law which are highly protected by regulations so you gotta spend 2-4 extra years wasting your time before you can be of actual use. But anyways, those professions are on the way out.
53   GNL   2024 Aug 29, 8:13pm  

NewGuy says

The exception is medical and law which are highly protected by regulations so you gotta spend 2-4 extra years wasting your time before you can be of actual use. But anyways, those professions are on the way out.

Medical and Law professions are on the way out?
54   WookieMan   2024 Aug 30, 12:42am  

NewGuy says

Student loans are ridiculous. With the internet, anyone should be able to get a bachelor level education for less then 1K.

It's not even bachelor level. It's learning a skill. You have to pay for things you're not interested in to get the degree you're interested in. This is why trade schools are going to make a killing in the decades upcoming.

My wife's cousin did a stint in the national guard and got his welding certificate. He's 23 and will probably make more than most college grads.

GNL says

Medical and Law professions are on the way out?

Yes. Have a seizure and try to find a neurologist. Near a year deep in my ordeal. I'm technically not supposed to drive a vehicle. It's impossible to get an appointment. Got lucky early on right after it and got my initial appointment. Then took me 7 months to get another appointment. It's not worth it to get in the medical field. Maybe nursing I suppose which you can do at a community college. It's not worth the time or money to be a doctor anymore. They don't pay that well. Not joking either.

Lawyers will stick around. I don't see as many getting into it now though. Even if you have a paralegal on staff, it's annoying work. It's miserable. My dad was and sister is a lawyer. Your average lawyer is not a partner in some firm where it's just wine and dine clients. Party, drink and do coke making $1M/yr. Usually they make $90-150k/yr. And unless you see their tax returns, most are liars, that's their job.
55   NewGuy   2024 Aug 30, 6:12am  

The only reason why doctors or lawyers exist is due to legal protectionism. However, for medical especially, it’s too expensive and so the profession will be forced to modernize.

In 10 years you’ll be able to chat with an AI, get diagnosed, and get your prescriptions. Nurses will do most in person examinations guided by AI. Robots will do most surgery. There will still be a few high level specialists doctors, but there won’t be a ton of those positions and anyways, most doctors aren’t smart enough for that anyway.

As far as lawyers, AI will write and examine most legal documents. They will also advise on most legal issues and do research. This is 90% of what lawyers do. You still need to have trial lawyers and judges, but the huge law firms backing the trial lawyers will be gone.

Basically we are headed for a world where unless you are the top 1% of your medical or legal class, your job is gone.
56   zzyzzx   2024 Aug 30, 6:36am  

WookieMan says

's not worth the time or money to be a doctor anymore. They don't pay that well. Not joking either.


For example?

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