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Tenpoundbass
2023 Dec 7, 11:41am
Tenpoundbass
2023 Dec 7, 11:41am
RWSGFY says
I don't think all of those Red States would have sat back and watched them steal the election. I think what us Conservatives did on 2020, showed the world, nobody is going to save them. They have to stop the commies themselves. I don't think we will be so docile in 2024 if they start boarding up windows, kicking Republicans out of the process, and making 3am ballot dumps, busted water main isn't going to send anyone away.
Fool me once shame on me, fool me twice shame on George Bush. (He bunged that idiom if you recall)
Why couldn't Soros & Gates rig it?
I don't think all of those Red States would have sat back and watched them steal the election. I think what us Conservatives did on 2020, showed the world, nobody is going to save them. They have to stop the commies themselves. I don't think we will be so docile in 2024 if they start boarding up windows, kicking Republicans out of the process, and making 3am ballot dumps, busted water main isn't going to send anyone away.
Fool me once shame on me, fool me twice shame on George Bush. (He bunged that idiom if you recall)
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DOGEWontAmountToShit
2023 Dec 10, 7:46pm
DOGEWontAmountToShit
2023 Dec 10, 7:46pm
Well, it
Buenos Aires Herald
Milei’s reduced cabinet sworn in without press present.
The administration’s first decree confirmed that the Milei is cutting Argentina’s number of ministries by half, with only nine taking their oath on Sunday.
Milei’s reduced cabinet sworn in without press present.
The administration’s first decree confirmed that the Milei is cutting Argentina’s number of ministries by half, with only nine taking their oath on Sunday
Valen Iricibar
VALEN IRICIBAR
DECEMBER 10, 2023
Martina Jaureguy reported from the Casa Rosada
Argentina’s new president Javier Milei took his incoming cabinet’s oaths on Sunday afternoon at the Casa Rosada. Unlike the previous government, there were only nine new ministers instead of 18 and for the first time, the ceremony took place behind closed doors — no press, no livestream.
Earlier on Sunday the new administration revealed its first “Decree of Necessity and Urgency” (Decreto de Necesidad y Urgencia, or DNU) — a type of presidential decree which allows them to legislate without going through Congress first. The 76-page document confirmed that the Milei government is halving the number of ministries from the previous government, leaving only nine. The drastic reduction was a staple proposal of his electoral platform known as the “Chainsaw Plan.”
By law, the executive power must inform Congress of the DNU within the next 10 days after the decree is published in Argentina’s Official Bulletin. A special commission with members of both chambers then has to analyze the decree’s language and vote on whether it’s valid. The Senate and the Chamber of Deputies then have to vote to approve it or not. Both chambers must reject a decree for it to be annulled.
https://buenosairesherald.com/politics/mileis-reduced-cabinet-sworn-in-without-press-present
So...the Establishment-controlled Argentine Congress can still deepsix this, as I have suspected.
Too bad.
Buenos Aires Herald
Milei’s reduced cabinet sworn in without press present.
The administration’s first decree confirmed that the Milei is cutting Argentina’s number of ministries by half, with only nine taking their oath on Sunday.
Milei’s reduced cabinet sworn in without press present.
The administration’s first decree confirmed that the Milei is cutting Argentina’s number of ministries by half, with only nine taking their oath on Sunday
Valen Iricibar
VALEN IRICIBAR
DECEMBER 10, 2023
Martina Jaureguy reported from the Casa Rosada
Argentina’s new president Javier Milei took his incoming cabinet’s oaths on Sunday afternoon at the Casa Rosada. Unlike the previous government, there were only nine new ministers instead of 18 and for the first time, the ceremony took place behind closed doors — no press, no livestream.
Earlier on Sunday the new administration revealed its first “Decree of Necessity and Urgency” (Decreto de Necesidad y Urgencia, or DNU) — a type of presidential decree which allows them to legislate without going through Congress first. The 76-page document confirmed that the Milei government is halving the number of ministries from the previous government, leaving only nine. The drastic reduction was a staple proposal of his electoral platform known as the “Chainsaw Plan.”
By law, the executive power must inform Congress of the DNU within the next 10 days after the decree is published in Argentina’s Official Bulletin. A special commission with members of both chambers then has to analyze the decree’s language and vote on whether it’s valid. The Senate and the Chamber of Deputies then have to vote to approve it or not. Both chambers must reject a decree for it to be annulled.
https://buenosairesherald.com/politics/mileis-reduced-cabinet-sworn-in-without-press-present
So...the Establishment-controlled Argentine Congress can still deepsix this, as I have suspected.
Too bad.
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RWSGFY
2023 Dec 10, 8:53pm
RWSGFY
2023 Dec 10, 8:53pm
ad says
AND WE CAN'T HAVE THAT!!!
Patrick says
Not good.
not surprised... Mileli is anti Kremlin and anti Chicom$
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AND WE CAN'T HAVE THAT!!!
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Patrick
2023 Dec 10, 9:04pm
Patrick
2023 Dec 10, 9:04pm
Milei looks like an idiot if he doesn't know that the war in Ukraine was a deliberate creation of the US State Department.
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AD
2023 Dec 10, 9:05pm
AD
2023 Dec 10, 9:05pm
RWSGFY says
Kremlin and Chicoms are worse. Would not trust them or want to be beholden to them such as be a debtor to them.
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ad says
Patrick says
Not good.
not surprised... Mileli is anti Kremlin and anti Chicom$
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AND WE CAN'T HAVE THAT!!!
Kremlin and Chicoms are worse. Would not trust them or want to be beholden to them such as be a debtor to them.
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Patrick
2023 Dec 11, 11:44am
Patrick
2023 Dec 11, 11:44am
https://www.coffeeandcovid.com/p/chainsawing-monday-december-11-2023
The People’s Gazette ran a story yesterday headlined, “Argentina's President Javier Milei reduces ministries from 18 to nine on first day in office. The sub-headline added, “President Milei immediately streamlined his government, consolidating federal ministries from 18 to nine on his first day in office.”
If there’s one thing that the former economist, “ultra right wing” politician, “Argentinian Trump,” and now President Javier Milei can’t stand, it’s marxists. And Argentinian marxists created hyper-inflationary conditions in Argentina (200% per year) basically wrecking the country’s economy. Then Argentinians elected a super-spicy, profane, almost over-the-top, just-short-of-a-caricature conservative who’s promised to surgically excise the left in that country using a chainsaw.
Literally. I’m not joking. He literally showed supporters the chainsaw he plans to use.
So yesterday, as his first official act after being sworn in, Milei fulfilled one of his grandest campaign promises and chainsawed the size and expense of his country’s federal government. He told Argentinians that righting the economic ship would be painful for a while, but the government would share their pain.
In other words, Milei is pursuing a radical conservative scheme of deregulation and privatization. He will be opposed by every leftwing group in the world seeking to ensure it fails, so that Argentina won’t become some kind of example to the rest of the world.
To my knowledge, nothing quite like this has happened, maybe ever, certainly not since the Cold War. The closest I could find was Sweden’s consolidation of 22 ministries into 11 in 1991 (which was more consolidation for management efficiency than it was cutting anything). Obviously, government does not voluntarily reduce itself. It always goes the other way. Even Greece under IMF-imposed austerity never reduced the size of its government as much as it appears Milei just did.
I don’t know Milei, and I have no conflicts about or investments in the man. But I would like to point out to all the black-pillers who poo-poo’d Milei’s election and called him a WEF mole, maybe just wait a minute before declaring nothing good could come from conservative sea-change in Argentina. As I’ve said before, the unfolding events there say more about the mental state of Argentina’s population — maybe even the world’s population — than it does about any particular candidate.
We should do the same thing here! I’d like to volunteer the full U.S. security state, the whole CDC, 90% of the FDA, the entire NIH, the Department of Energy, the EPA, and the Department of Education as initial cutting candidates here in America. That could be a good start. Start your chainsaws. Let’s goooooo!
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Patrick
2023 Dec 11, 2:04pm
Patrick
2023 Dec 11, 2:04pm
https://redstate.com/bonchie/2023/12/11/javier-milei-takes-office-in-argentina-and-his-first-move-immediately-triggers-the-press-n2167410
In November, Argentina reached 183 percent inflation for 2023, impoverishing around 40 percent of the country, a reality that helped sweep Milei into power. Now, he's taking action, with his first move in office being an executive order that slashes the number of government ministries from 21 to nine. Among those put on the chopping block was the ministry of "women, genders, and diversity," a move he recently telegraphed in his criticisms of "social justice."
On his 1st day in office, President Milei signs an executive order, reducing government from 21 ministries to 9
Interior, exterior, economy, justice, infrastructure, foreign affairs, security & defense all stay
Education, healthcare, culture, women’s rights etc out (Afuera!) pic.twitter.com/12Cqq9ZUu6
— Visegrád 24 (@visegrad24) December 11, 2023
It didn't take long for the hand-wringing to begin in the press. PBS News published an article dripping with sanctimony, claiming that Milei's ideas are "outlandish" and "radical." What makes that so ironic is that the very same article admits that Argentina is in dire straits.
South America's second largest economy is suffering 143 percent annual inflation, the currency has plunged and four in 10 Argentines are impoverished. The nation has a yawning fiscal deficit, a trade deficit of $43 billion, plus a daunting $45 billion debt to the International Monetary Fund, with $10.6 billion due to the multilateral and private creditors by April.
Argentines disillusioned with the economic status quo proved receptive to an outsider's outlandish ideas to remedy their woes and transform the nation.
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AmericanKulak
2023 Dec 20, 10:42pm
AmericanKulak
2023 Dec 20, 10:42pm
"Those ideas that failed in Argentina are the same ideas that have failed throughout the planet."
"That doctrine that some could call left, socialism, fascism, communism and that we like to classify as collectivism, is a form of thought that dilutes the individual in favor of the power of the State. It is the basic foundation of the caste (swamp) model.
"It is a doctrine of thought that is based on the premise that the reason of State is more important than the individuals that make up the nation. That the individual is only recognized if he submits to the State and that therefore citizens owe homage to their representatives.
"The political caste have become accustomed to and taken as normal state interference that is the cause of our problems. The balance is the country we received, the worst inheritance in history.
"A country with a consolidated deficit of 15% of GDP, where 5% of the deficit is from the Treasury and 10% from the Central Bank. A country that spends so much that it cannot pay for it, not even with the highest tax burden in the world.
"A country without reserves in the Central Bank and with its credit confidence destroyed. A country that has issued money for 20 points of GDP to finance that public spending and that now, as a result of that unbridled emission, faces its worst inflation crisis in 40 years.
"A country that was on its way to crashing into an annual inflation of 15,000% and that requires an urgent change of course to avoid disaster.” “That change begins today,”
“During the last 100 years, politicians have been busy expanding the power of the State to the detriment of good Argentines. This expansion of the State has been accompanied by the greatest destruction of wealth in a country on record.
"Our country, which at the beginning of the 20th century was the leading world power, over the last 100 years has been immersed in an endless cycle of crises that all have the same cause at their origins.
'The fiscal deficit, in fact, of the last 123 years, in 113 of them we have had a fiscal deficit and of the 22 crises that Argentines suffered in our history, 20 have had fiscal origins.
“Politicians introduce regulations, price controls, stocks, bureaucratic obstacles and regulations that violate the freedom and property rights of Argentines, hinder economic calculation and destroy the generation of wealth.
"Consequently, the State as a whole has become a machine that prevents commerce, work, production, savings, investment, the generation of wealth, economic growth and, fundamentally, freedom. "
"The consequence of this is that Argentina is a country where 50% of the population is below the poverty line.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VPYwL8Szrqw
"That doctrine that some could call left, socialism, fascism, communism and that we like to classify as collectivism, is a form of thought that dilutes the individual in favor of the power of the State. It is the basic foundation of the caste (swamp) model.
"It is a doctrine of thought that is based on the premise that the reason of State is more important than the individuals that make up the nation. That the individual is only recognized if he submits to the State and that therefore citizens owe homage to their representatives.
"The political caste have become accustomed to and taken as normal state interference that is the cause of our problems. The balance is the country we received, the worst inheritance in history.
"A country with a consolidated deficit of 15% of GDP, where 5% of the deficit is from the Treasury and 10% from the Central Bank. A country that spends so much that it cannot pay for it, not even with the highest tax burden in the world.
"A country without reserves in the Central Bank and with its credit confidence destroyed. A country that has issued money for 20 points of GDP to finance that public spending and that now, as a result of that unbridled emission, faces its worst inflation crisis in 40 years.
"A country that was on its way to crashing into an annual inflation of 15,000% and that requires an urgent change of course to avoid disaster.” “That change begins today,”
“During the last 100 years, politicians have been busy expanding the power of the State to the detriment of good Argentines. This expansion of the State has been accompanied by the greatest destruction of wealth in a country on record.
"Our country, which at the beginning of the 20th century was the leading world power, over the last 100 years has been immersed in an endless cycle of crises that all have the same cause at their origins.
'The fiscal deficit, in fact, of the last 123 years, in 113 of them we have had a fiscal deficit and of the 22 crises that Argentines suffered in our history, 20 have had fiscal origins.
“Politicians introduce regulations, price controls, stocks, bureaucratic obstacles and regulations that violate the freedom and property rights of Argentines, hinder economic calculation and destroy the generation of wealth.
"Consequently, the State as a whole has become a machine that prevents commerce, work, production, savings, investment, the generation of wealth, economic growth and, fundamentally, freedom. "
"The consequence of this is that Argentina is a country where 50% of the population is below the poverty line.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VPYwL8Szrqw
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AmericanKulak
2023 Dec 20, 10:49pm
AmericanKulak
2023 Dec 20, 10:49pm
Gov Employees moan and groan
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XKEBqDusJu0
BTW, the union dockworkers in Argentina steal half of everything imported into the country. They're infamous for it. Yet the government has never been "able" to stop them in half a century.
Descendants of the worse sheep thieves of Andalusia + Communist Rhetoric.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XKEBqDusJu0
BTW, the union dockworkers in Argentina steal half of everything imported into the country. They're infamous for it. Yet the government has never been "able" to stop them in half a century.
Descendants of the worse sheep thieves of Andalusia + Communist Rhetoric.
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DOGEWontAmountToShit
2023 Dec 20, 10:58pm
DOGEWontAmountToShit
2023 Dec 20, 10:58pm
AmericanKulak says
That's impressive since containerization cut that down. Before shipping containers, anyone shipping anything expected to lose at least 30% to dockworkers of whatever they shipped.
BTW, the union dockworkers in Argentina steal half of everything imported into the country. They're infamous for it. Yet the government has never been "able" to stop them in half a centur
That's impressive since containerization cut that down. Before shipping containers, anyone shipping anything expected to lose at least 30% to dockworkers of whatever they shipped.
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AmericanKulak
2023 Dec 22, 12:45am
AmericanKulak
2023 Dec 22, 12:45am
PumpingRedheads says
Under the Peronist thugs, everything gets custom inspected; and certainly everything being tugged up river. Customs would then let the dockworkers take a piece of some of the action by "forgetting" to close them back up. It was a massive problem in Paraguay. If you wanted something too heavy to air freight... ugh. 10% of the time, bye-bye.
That's impressive since containerization cut that down. Before shipping containers, anyone shipping anything expected to lose at least 30% to dockworkers of whatever they shipped.
Under the Peronist thugs, everything gets custom inspected; and certainly everything being tugged up river. Customs would then let the dockworkers take a piece of some of the action by "forgetting" to close them back up. It was a massive problem in Paraguay. If you wanted something too heavy to air freight... ugh. 10% of the time, bye-bye.
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AD
2023 Dec 22, 7:45am
AD
2023 Dec 22, 7:45am
Milei may be just proposing extreme measures hoping there is some compromise so at least there is slight austerity for the next 4 years.
I wish the same would happen here such as grow the federal government budget by 1.5% below inflation each year for 4 consecutive years without requiring drastic tax increases.
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I wish the same would happen here such as grow the federal government budget by 1.5% below inflation each year for 4 consecutive years without requiring drastic tax increases.
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Misc
2023 Dec 22, 7:54am
ad says
The problem with that idea is that the Federal government has a pension problem. Every year there are more and more retirees with a Federal pension, and the ones already outstanding get their COLAs. This is on top of the 10000 people per day hitting age 65 and retiring with their Social Security. This pretty much assures that government spending has to increase every year.
Milei may be just proposing extreme measures hoping there is some compromise so at least there is slight austerity for the next 4 years.
I wish the same would happen here such as grow the federal government budget by 1.5% below inflation each year for 4 consecutive years without requiring drastic tax increases.
.
The problem with that idea is that the Federal government has a pension problem. Every year there are more and more retirees with a Federal pension, and the ones already outstanding get their COLAs. This is on top of the 10000 people per day hitting age 65 and retiring with their Social Security. This pretty much assures that government spending has to increase every year.
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DOGEWontAmountToShit
2023 Dec 22, 8:12am
DOGEWontAmountToShit
2023 Dec 22, 8:12am
Misc says
No it doesn't. When the music stops, it stops.
The problem with that idea is that the Federal government has a pension problem. Every year there are more and more retirees with a Federal pension, and the ones already outstanding get their COLAs. This is on top of the 10000 people per day hitting age 65 and retiring with their Social Security. This pretty much assures that government spending has to increase every year.
No it doesn't. When the music stops, it stops.
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HeadSet
2023 Dec 22, 10:49am
HeadSet
2023 Dec 22, 10:49am
Misc says
Yowza! - $1,4 trillion per year in SS alone, not including military and civil service pensions.
https://www.ssa.gov/news/press/factsheets/basicfact-alt.pdf#:~:text=In%202023%2C%20an%20average%20of%20almost%2067%20million,%241.4%20trillion%20in%20benefits%20paid%20during%20the%20year.
The problem with that idea is that the Federal government has a pension problem.
Yowza! - $1,4 trillion per year in SS alone, not including military and civil service pensions.
https://www.ssa.gov/news/press/factsheets/basicfact-alt.pdf#:~:text=In%202023%2C%20an%20average%20of%20almost%2067%20million,%241.4%20trillion%20in%20benefits%20paid%20during%20the%20year.
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Misc
2023 Dec 22, 11:01am
Then you gotta add in Medicare/Medicaid, military healthcare (both retired and current) and civil servant healthcare. Also, since the demobilization from WWII there has never been a year where the number of government employees has dropped (go figure).
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AD
2023 Dec 23, 12:38pm
AD
2023 Dec 23, 12:38pm
Misc says
One slight austerity example is to reduce Social Security payments (on a sliding scale) to those earning more than 3 times the poverty level.
Those earning more than 5 times will get less than 40% of their original Social Security payment.
Implement a means test for Social Security.
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ad says
Milei may be just proposing extreme measures hoping there is some compromise so at least there is slight austerity for the next 4 years.
I wish the same would happen here such as grow the federal government budget by 1.5% below inflation each year for 4 consecutive years without requiring drastic tax increases.
.
The problem with that idea is that the Federal government has a pension problem. Every year there are more and more retirees with a Federal pension, and the ones already outstanding get their COLAs. This is on top of the 10000 people per day hitting age 65 and retiring with their Social Security. This pretty much assures that government spending has to increase every year.
One slight austerity example is to reduce Social Security payments (on a sliding scale) to those earning more than 3 times the poverty level.
Those earning more than 5 times will get less than 40% of their original Social Security payment.
Implement a means test for Social Security.
.
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GNL
2023 Dec 23, 2:15pm
GNL
2023 Dec 23, 2:15pm
UkraineIsFucked says
Just curious: what is your definition of the music stopping?
No it doesn't. When the music stops, it stops.
Just curious: what is your definition of the music stopping?
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AmericanKulak
2023 Dec 23, 3:49pm
AmericanKulak
2023 Dec 23, 3:49pm
Misc says
(This isn't aimed at you, but the government fucks)
Don't touch my medicare and social security. I paid an eighth of every paycheck into that shit. I was old enough to work starting in the very early 90s, my whole life has been under the high withhold rate, so the "But before the 1980s it was only a few %" doesn't apply to me.
For any senator considering, I am Joe Pesci on this: "Fuck you, pay me. You put my money to sleep. Go wake it up!"
You know if they steal it, it's going to bail out banks.
If they cut Soc Sec, the grey panthers will shoot once and go home. It's literally life or death for tens of millions, and, since they paid in outrageous sums over an entire life of earnings, good luck telling them it's for the greater good. Think of the self-employed, too. They should be more pissed than anybody.
Worst of all, if they cut or disappear social security, guess who will be getting big fat pensions still? Yep, government employees from their federal pension. Fuck that shit. No fuckin' way those slimy fucks will be collecting 80% of the average of the last 7 years salary while they take all my lifetime of paid up annuity contributions away. They stole my money while using my tax money then and now to pay off bureaucrats to live in luxury? No way.
"Hurr Durrr... you should have saved more.. hurr durr".
Asshole, they took almost 10% of my PRETAX money out of every paycheck. You know, about the amount a person should be saving. That's not including any wages or benefits I didn't get because of my employer having to pay his side.
Then you gotta add in Medicare/Medicaid, military healthcare (both retired and current) and civil servant healthcare. Also, since the demobilization from WWII there has never been a year where the number of government employees has dropped (go figure).
(This isn't aimed at you, but the government fucks)
Don't touch my medicare and social security. I paid an eighth of every paycheck into that shit. I was old enough to work starting in the very early 90s, my whole life has been under the high withhold rate, so the "But before the 1980s it was only a few %" doesn't apply to me.
For any senator considering, I am Joe Pesci on this: "Fuck you, pay me. You put my money to sleep. Go wake it up!"
You know if they steal it, it's going to bail out banks.
If they cut Soc Sec, the grey panthers will shoot once and go home. It's literally life or death for tens of millions, and, since they paid in outrageous sums over an entire life of earnings, good luck telling them it's for the greater good. Think of the self-employed, too. They should be more pissed than anybody.
Worst of all, if they cut or disappear social security, guess who will be getting big fat pensions still? Yep, government employees from their federal pension. Fuck that shit. No fuckin' way those slimy fucks will be collecting 80% of the average of the last 7 years salary while they take all my lifetime of paid up annuity contributions away. They stole my money while using my tax money then and now to pay off bureaucrats to live in luxury? No way.
"Hurr Durrr... you should have saved more.. hurr durr".
Asshole, they took almost 10% of my PRETAX money out of every paycheck. You know, about the amount a person should be saving. That's not including any wages or benefits I didn't get because of my employer having to pay his side.
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mell
2023 Dec 23, 4:12pm
It has to stop somehow though, cause it will go bk. What's the solution? I'd be ok with getting paid out the contributions plus inflation and get my own healthcare rather than continuing this shit. But there needs to be sweeping govt reform first for anything to happen, not just govt employees, all the way up to govt, repeal all special favors/benefits, disallow insider trading etc.
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GNL
2023 Dec 23, 4:48pm
GNL
2023 Dec 23, 4:48pm
The new rule of law is "if a thing can be done, it should be done" regardless of right or wrong. They do not care. G.R.E.E.D. is the motivation and government has force behind it.
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Ceffer
2023 Dec 23, 10:43pm
Ceffer
2023 Dec 23, 10:43pm
Are they suggesting Milei might be one of the 'Boys From Brazil', a HitlerSpawn for real rather than just metaphorically?
https://twitter.com/FromKulak/status/1738645242574688719/photo/2
https://twitter.com/FromKulak/status/1738645242574688719/photo/2
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DOGEWontAmountToShit
2023 Dec 23, 11:19pm
DOGEWontAmountToShit
2023 Dec 23, 11:19pm
GNL says
Maggie Thatcher's and Stein's Law.
Just curious: what is your definition of the music stopping?
Maggie Thatcher's and Stein's Law.
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Maga_Chaos_Monkey
2023 Dec 24, 10:08am
Maga_Chaos_Monkey
2023 Dec 24, 10:08am
ad says
How about I get to stop paying into it if I don't get to get it back. I can invest it better anyway.
Implement a means test for Social Security.
How about I get to stop paying into it if I don't get to get it back. I can invest it better anyway.
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mell
2023 Dec 24, 10:10am
just_passing_through says
Agreed
ad says
Implement a means test for Social Security.
How about I get to stop paying into it if I don't get to get it back. I can invest it better anyway.
Agreed
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HeadSet
2023 Dec 24, 2:34pm
HeadSet
2023 Dec 24, 2:34pm
just_passing_through says
Unfortunately, there is no way of telling who a good investor is. The whole reason SS came about is that the majority of the population has proven to be too irresponsible to save for retirement. If everyone is allowed to opt out, then we will have the situation where most people not invest at all, some people will invest in the myriad of scams that will come about, and just a few like you who will invest wisely. Without SS, we would have a seriously increased mass of elderly poor. "W" proposed a plan when he was President to allow people to choose the investment vehicle for their SS deductions. That plan would have led to Solyndra level scams where the invested money would simply vanish, and we would still have the problem with elderly poor victims.
How about I get to stop paying into it if I don't get to get it back. I can invest it better anyway.
Unfortunately, there is no way of telling who a good investor is. The whole reason SS came about is that the majority of the population has proven to be too irresponsible to save for retirement. If everyone is allowed to opt out, then we will have the situation where most people not invest at all, some people will invest in the myriad of scams that will come about, and just a few like you who will invest wisely. Without SS, we would have a seriously increased mass of elderly poor. "W" proposed a plan when he was President to allow people to choose the investment vehicle for their SS deductions. That plan would have led to Solyndra level scams where the invested money would simply vanish, and we would still have the problem with elderly poor victims.
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AmericanKulak
2023 Dec 24, 3:22pm
AmericanKulak
2023 Dec 24, 3:22pm
Another reason SS is broke is like welfare, it went beyond the deserving to too many situations.
SS was created to help the elderly who could not work pay for the last week of every month's groceries. That's why it's supplemental.
Over the decades, it was expanded to the disabled, mentally ill, and a bunch of others.
Just like welfare was for the maimed or the widows, but expanded to Leg Spreaders. Once it was expanded to leg spreaders the whole thing became a disaster.
SS was created to help the elderly who could not work pay for the last week of every month's groceries. That's why it's supplemental.
Over the decades, it was expanded to the disabled, mentally ill, and a bunch of others.
Just like welfare was for the maimed or the widows, but expanded to Leg Spreaders. Once it was expanded to leg spreaders the whole thing became a disaster.
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AD
2023 Dec 24, 3:47pm
AD
2023 Dec 24, 3:47pm
Social Security was set up as social insurance for the poor elderly.
It is now more than just that as mentioned before, and also treated as a retirement plan for those who make more than 2 times the poverty level.
The federal government wants and needs the Social Security tax receipts also to buy US Treasury assets.
The Social Security fund is like the Federal Reserve, as both help finance the US federal government by purchasing US Treasuries.
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It is now more than just that as mentioned before, and also treated as a retirement plan for those who make more than 2 times the poverty level.
The federal government wants and needs the Social Security tax receipts also to buy US Treasury assets.
The Social Security fund is like the Federal Reserve, as both help finance the US federal government by purchasing US Treasuries.
,
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Maga_Chaos_Monkey
2023 Dec 25, 11:06am
Maga_Chaos_Monkey
2023 Dec 25, 11:06am
HeadSet says
Phase it out then for the older folks and during the phasing reduce our burden so we can start investing it. After that working on good relationships with family and friends and others will be a lot more valuable. Tent cities for the morons.
Unfortunately, there is no way of telling who a good investor is. The whole reason SS came about is that the majority of the population has proven to be too irresponsible to save for retirement. If everyone is allowed to opt out, then we will have the situation where most people not invest at all, some people will invest in the myriad of scams that will come about, and just a few like you who will invest wisely. Without SS, we would have a seriously increased mass of elderly poor. "W" proposed a plan when he was President to allow people to choose the investment vehicle for their SS deductions. That plan would have led to Solyndra level scams where the invested money would simply vanish, and we would still have the problem with elderly poor victims.
Phase it out then for the older folks and during the phasing reduce our burden so we can start investing it. After that working on good relationships with family and friends and others will be a lot more valuable. Tent cities for the morons.
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Maga_Chaos_Monkey
2023 Dec 25, 11:10am
Maga_Chaos_Monkey
2023 Dec 25, 11:10am
AmericanKulak says
Chick I knocked up in the 90s fits this superbly. (fortunately she miscarried) From New Orleans I call her the Louisiana Fruit Fly. Since then 7 or 8 baby daddies, I really don't know anymore as I ignore her but did have to interact with her maybe 10 years ago. I started getting all sorts of SSI shit in my apartment mailbox addressed to her and a voicemail.
Called her and she was trying to act like she was living in CA with me to get more $ from SSI and she could get from Oregon where she lived at the time. I threw that shit in the trash and told her I'd report her if she didn't change that shit right away.
Another reason SS is broke is like welfare, it went beyond the deserving to too many situations.
SS was created to help the elderly who could not work pay for the last week of every month's groceries. That's why it's supplemental.
Over the decades, it was expanded to the disabled, mentally ill, and a bunch of others.
Just like welfare was for the maimed or the widows, but expanded to Leg Spreaders. Once it was expanded to leg spreaders the whole thing became a disaster.
Chick I knocked up in the 90s fits this superbly. (fortunately she miscarried) From New Orleans I call her the Louisiana Fruit Fly. Since then 7 or 8 baby daddies, I really don't know anymore as I ignore her but did have to interact with her maybe 10 years ago. I started getting all sorts of SSI shit in my apartment mailbox addressed to her and a voicemail.
Called her and she was trying to act like she was living in CA with me to get more $ from SSI and she could get from Oregon where she lived at the time. I threw that shit in the trash and told her I'd report her if she didn't change that shit right away.
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