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RFK Jr. announces he's running as an independent.


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2023 Sep 30, 10:35am   4,504 views  126 comments

by Tenpoundbass   ➕follow (7)   💰tip   ignore  

I bet DeSantis does the same thing just to level the vote shaving playing field. But I'll go one further, I bet it was DeSantis' plan all along if his failing campaign doesn't turn around by November, he'll run as Independent.

I don't think DeSantis will make a dent in either parties numbers. But I wonder what the Left/Right leaning Independent voters ratio will be that vote for RFK Jr in the general election.
If you ignore all else and just look at the D next to his name. You would assume that all of the voters he would shave off any numbers, it would be the Democrats that felt it the most. But I'm not sure, RFK Jr. is more Conservative and more Patriotic than anyone besides Trump on the Republican ticket.
People who are fed up or worn down with the Trump hysteria, might opt to vote Independent for RFK Jr.
Of course we all know, that without a Party representation and saturation in every voting district in America to make sure the Indy votes don't get shit canned, or (Cured) changed to a Democrat vote. Then no Independent or 3rd party will ever stand a chance. Especially not in this era of compromised complicit Judges that tells real victims they have no legal standing, while actively persecuting any and all that brings Voter Fraud to the light.

RFK Jr. could get 75% of the actual vote, but on election day they would say he barely got 5% of the vote. While the losing party wring their hands, blaming him for their loss.

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56   HeadSet   2024 Jan 27, 7:35pm  

AD says

HeadSet says


enough votes to be stolen from Trump and assigned to RFK to allow Biden to win in a plurality


like Ross Perot helping Bill Clinton to win in 1992

Exactly.
57   Patrick   2024 Jan 28, 11:47am  

https://slaynews.com/news/democrats-panicrfk-jr-qualifies-another-2024-ballot/


Concerns are growing among Democrats as Robert F. Kennedy Jr. has qualified for yet another state’s 2024 general election ballot.

The increasing legitimacy of Kennedy’s campaign is causing panic among Democrats, according to The Hill.

The concern appears to be that Kennedy could take votes from the Democrats’ 2024 candidate – presumably Joe Biden – making it more difficult for the president to get reelected.

Kennedy, of course, used to be Biden’s top Democrat rival in the Democratic Party’s presidential primary.

However, RFK Jr. has dropped out of the Democrat primary, and he is now running for the presidency as an independent.

On Tuesday, Kennedy announced that he has qualified to be on New Hampshire’s 2024 general election ballot.
58   stereotomy   2024 Jan 28, 12:21pm  

Bd6r says


Zoning will not solve bad flaring methinks. It is a matter of if someone measuring how efficient their flaring is…the other side of coin is that I do not really see how flaring which is burning off methane can produce anything toxic unless you restrict oxygen intake.

Most of the flaring I witnessed, being conducted in the dead of night, was toxic. In order to completely chemically reduce toxic chemicals to their constituent elements, the burn temperature has to exceed at least 3000 degrees, and possibly up to 5000 degrees. To get a fire this hot, the operators have to use a lot of energy (more fuel, blowers to oxygenate the combustion, etc.). They don't have the money to do this, this is why they do it in the dead of night when no one is watching.

If these drilling companies had the money, they would store these gasses in big tanks that would be periodically drained and dealt with appropriately with minimal damage to the environment. The fact of the matter is that there is a giant loophole in TX law which allows operators to discharge any amount of gas, even without flaring, if it constitutes an "immanent threat of explosion" to the gas storage facilities. Guess what these scumbags do? Set up a storage tank which is not much larger than an industrial boiler and would store less than a day's worth of gas from production, then wait until 3 AM to conduct an emergency discharge/flareoff.

It's a fucking smash-and-grab, enabled by corrupt government and the big lenders who loan these operators millions and then get them on the hook for payments.
59   just_passing_through   2024 Jan 28, 1:08pm  

South Texas has a giant crooked smiley face seen from space at night that it didn't have when I was a kid. Flaring is a perfect application for mobile bitcorn rigs.

My grandmother (would be over 110 by now) lived in an old school pink house in Aransas Pass near the gulf. The stove she had looked like it could burn wood but I think it was gas.

Anyhow, she told me a story about local industry burning (who knows what) that produced so much soot they'd have to clean the black off of the counters, tables etc., every day. By the time the 80s had rolled around when she told the story I looked around and could hardly imagine it. No signs at all.
60   HeadSet   2024 Jan 28, 3:01pm  

Patrick says

On Tuesday, Kennedy announced that he has qualified to be on New Hampshire’s 2024 general election ballot.

That did not age well.
61   Patrick   2024 Jan 28, 7:21pm  

https://thehill.com/opinion/campaign/4419119-the-un-american-disenfranchisement-of-rfk-jr-voters/


The un-American disenfranchisement of RFK Jr. voters

Every election cycle, we hear Democrats and Republicans complaining about “disenfranchised voters.” We have been told incessantly for years and decades that “every voter should be heard.”

That is correct. Except, it seems, when those votes may benefit a populist independent candidate, who, counterintuitively, is gaining in popularity while being ignored or smeared by much of the mainstream media, as well as the two major political parties.

That candidate being Robert F. Kennedy Jr.

It is fair to say that millions of Americans now support Kennedy for president. Just on X — formerly Twitter — he has 2.6 million followers and growing. Logic and basic math tell us his support would be much higher than those willing to take the time to sign up for X.

Do those voters — from every political ideology, color, faith and sexual orientation — have the right to be heard? Should they be allowed to vote for the candidate of their choice?

Obviously, the leaders of the Democratic National Committee and the Republican National Committee would prefer that their eventual nominees for president have no competition. They are partisan organizations entrusted with the task of getting their party’s nominee elected president.
62   RWSGFY   2024 Jan 29, 8:13am  

I don't understand the complaint: of course the opposing parties will smear another player in the field - it's politics. It would be weird if they praised and promoted him. And media are biased one way or another and this is how it was since there were media.
63   stereotomy   2024 Jan 29, 9:38am  

just_passing_through says

South Texas has a giant crooked smiley face seen from space at night that it didn't have when I was a kid. Flaring is a perfect application for mobile bitcorn rigs.

My grandmother (would be over 110 by now) lived in an old school pink house in Aransas Pass near the gulf. The stove she had looked like it could burn wood but I think it was gas.

Anyhow, she told me a story about local industry burning (who knows what) that produced so much soot they'd have to clean the black off of the counters, tables etc., every day. By the time the 80s had rolled around when she told the story I looked around and could hardly imagine it. No signs at all.

Yeah, but back in your grandmother's day, there was no Clean Air Act or Clean Water Act. As it is turning out, clean air and water was a thing from 1972 until about Y2K, but now we're back to the 19th century.

People on PatNet talk about the "true cost of EV." Well, what about the true cost of resource extraction? Communities poisoned for generations? The cost in human suffering? The reduction in arable land due to water and soil pollution?

Saudi can pump all they want because it's inhospitable desert. What about the microclimates in Appalachia razed for coal? Has anyone ever driven through the fracking belt around Goliad, TX? It's one fucking toxic cloud that dims the sunlight.
64   Patrick   2024 Feb 6, 12:09pm  

https://vigilantfox.substack.com/p/tucker-carlson-speaks-candidly-about


Tucker Carlson Speaks Candidly About RFK Jr. for 5 Minutes Straight
65   Patrick   2024 Feb 11, 6:15pm  

https://www.themidwesterner.news/2024/02/robert-f-kennedy-jr-challenges-biden-to-debate-to-prove-cognitive-ability/


Robert F. Kennedy, Jr. challenges Biden to debate to prove cognitive ability

Argued 'special interests in Washington, D.C.' want a president 'with cognitive deficits'

Independent presidential candidate Robert F. Kennedy, Jr. challenged President Joe Biden to debate to provide his cognitive abilities after the 82-year-old incumbent committed a series of embarrassing mental blunders this week.

Kennedy rallied supporters in Grand Rapids Saturday afternoon and spoke to reporters following the packed appearance.

After being asked about Biden’s performance during his high-profile press appearance defending his mishandling of classified documents, Kennedy said, “I think the issue has been raised, and I don’t think it’s character assassination to challenge the president to come out and debate to show the American public that he has the cognitive capacity to do this very, very difficult job.
66   AmericanKulak   2024 Feb 11, 7:20pm  

RFK's tweet including his Superbowl ad. I liked, retweeted, and encouraged all my groups to do so.
https://x.com/RobertKennedyJr/status/1756852942379045085?s=20

Some say he could spoil it for Trump, but I'd bet he takes 3-4 votes from Biden for every Trump loses. It's also much harder to steal a three way.
67   HeadSet   2024 Feb 12, 8:02am  

AmericanKulak says

It's also much harder to steal a three way.

Actually, it is easier. Just "dominion" enough votes from Trump to RFK for Biden to win a plurality. Then you only have to stuff enough Biden votes in the critical districts for Biden to get 45% or so.
68   Onvacation   2024 Feb 16, 8:28pm  

RFK JR.: THE HEALTH OF OUR COUNTRY
69   richwicks   2024 Feb 16, 9:22pm  

Tenpoundbass says


Surely you're not suggesting I have never sent a link in SMS?


I'm saying at this point in the Internet, if you make a claim and won't back it up, it's better to ignore your claim than to give it any creedance, because there are PLENTY of people who do, and are more than willing to back up their claims.

I can understand people passing on rumor and "what they heard" 15 years ago, they weren't as familiar with the Internet as I was, I had been on it for 15 years by that time. I don't put up with it today. 90% of what people tell me "they heard" is bullshit. Everything I hear on corporate media is bullshit unless they link to a direct source, and even then if they edit it, I ignore it.

We're not in a time anymore where we're restricted with information.

Let me demonstrate to you. This is a 9 HOUR long video.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1XTiL9rUpkg

At 2:33:40 you will see a slide pop up, BY ACCIDENT

And it's THIS slide:



ANY OF THOSE ADVERSE EVENTS LOOK FAMILIAR ??? Oh look. There is myocarditis, pericarditis, and DEATH in there.

Do you think that I found that? That I sat through 9 hours of boring bullshit, to find that? No, but SOMEBODY did, and they archived it, marked it, and made it available. Thank some other old fuck like me that cares about being accurate and exposing GROSS criminal negligence of our corporations and government! We're about 1 in a 1000 I think. Seems like a desperately small number of people, only 330,000 of us in the country! WHAT DIFFERENCE CAN WE MAKE?

You see, before they released the vaccines they knew they were going to cause harm, and even kill people. That video was from 10/22/2020 and was posted by the U.S. Food and Drug Administration.

If people would fucking link, instead of it being dismissed as "oh, ANOTHER conspiracy theory" - you can say simply "well, here's the proof", JUST LIKE I DID. Everybody could have known over 3 years ago, IF people would just use fucking links, a dim OLD technology for 30 FUCKING years ago. WHY WOULD ANYBODY WANT TO USE THOSE?????

The companies KNEW before they EVER released these "vaccines" what would happen, and they FUCKING did it anyhow, and the FDA KNEW before they released these vaccines what would happen, and they FUCKING did it anyhow.

There's DIRECT PROOF RIGHT THERE. But who gives a shit? Let's let all these people that POISONED 70% of the population get away with it scott free, and let's not inform anybody about the crime, let's be complicit!!!!~!~!~!@#$^&(*@^%$WWE%$Q#@$%FD

But because people can't be BOTHERED to take notes, or share links, shit like that IS passed around sourced by people LIKE ME, and they drop the links, and they just include the screen shot, and nobody knows where it came from or if it's even real, so they dismiss it. Spreading it stops even though it's ABSOLUTELY TRUE THAT YOUR GOVERNMENT PURPOSELY POISONED ABOUT 230,000,000 AMERICANS.

Now, imagine if I told you that picture existed, and then I gave you the video, with no time stamp, and told you "Well, go find it! It's in there, I SWEAR!" - WOULD you? No, of course not. It's up for just a second, and the only reason I could find it, is that somebody else gave it to me, and then, I could only see it by playing the video from the timestamp at 1/8th the speed, and taking a screenshot.

Even with that information, it took me a good long time to find, because I only had the original video and that picture, they LINKED to the video but not when it was in the video. I found it by matching the face, and by skimming through the video until I saw that head. Then I went to the start of HIS presentation and luckily it was early in, and I found it in a minute. Then I downloaded the video, and also archived it on archive.org.

https://web.archive.org/web/20240000000000/https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1XTiL9rUpkg

- along with about 1000 other people, so JUST IN CASE they try to remove it, I have a hard copy, archive.org has a copy, and COUNTLESS other sites have a copy. They can go ahead and delete it, it won't matter. We have absolute evidence that everything that is happening now was PREDICTED to happen.

Here, anybody have any doubts about your claim?



There, a QR code linking directly to it. Refute that mother fuckers. Pass it around. You will face censorship, deletion, and, of course, denial. Don't give them the opportunity. It's so simple to do that today, so FUCKING simple, yet, people refuse to do it, so it's relegated to rumor and speculation. "Oh, your tin foil hat is too tight, and you're off your meds again I see..."

You do not understand how sophisticated the propaganda is, or how widespread it is. Propagandists are on EVERY FUCKING SITE. Computer programs go through to flag shit at this point. Every site, including this one, is crawled. I guarantee it. I know this is true, because I know how easy it is to do, and how cheap it is to do today. I know how easy it is to record every phone call you make, every email you make, every site you visit, everything you do on any sort of electronic network. Believe me, it's done. I know precisely what you and I are up against, don't make it more difficult. It's hard enough.
70   AD   2024 Feb 17, 12:17am  

richwicks says

You see, before they released the vaccines they knew they were going to cause harm, and even kill people. That video was from 10/22/2020 and was posted by the U.S. Food and Drug Administration.


yep and they even said it was experimental since it did not go through extensive trials but they rushed it through as an "emergency vaccine"

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71   richwicks   2024 Feb 17, 12:26am  

AD says

yep and they even said it was experimental since it did not go through extensive trials but they rushed it through as an "emergency vaccine"


Well, the WEF is "rebuilding trust", not "correcting mistakes" - because this was not a mistake. They knew exactly what they were doing, and so did the governments, and so did the corporations.
72   AD   2024 Feb 17, 1:04am  

richwicks says

Well, the WEF is "rebuilding trust", not "correcting mistakes" - because this was not a mistake. They knew exactly what they were doing, and so did the governments, and so did the corporations.


Moderna was $20 a share at beginning of 2020, all time price at $449 in Sept 2021, and now at $88. It likely is going to get bought out at no more than $40 a share, or it goes to $0 by 2027.

Unless there is another pandemic which means back to $449, but I doubt that as you can't have another pandemic occurring that soon.

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73   stereotomy   2024 Feb 17, 7:17am  

richwicks says

Then I downloaded the video, and also archived it on archive.org.

Looks like "they" pulled it from archive.org.

I did go to the video and slowed it down and did see that screen. Those motherfuckers.
74   Tenpoundbass   2024 Feb 17, 8:47am  

richwicks says


I'm saying at this point in the Internet, if you make a claim and won't back it up,

I was generalizing about past discussions and topics that I have had with other people. What you're trying to do, is pick a topic that I never even mentioned and shoehorn some other discussion that I didn't have with anyone.
I will argue until I'm blue in the face that Covid was a big Nothing Burger, that the media and the NGO health officials and government health officials colluded to brainwash everyone that if they caught it they would die. I have argued the mask was bullshit, and the vax was bullshit. After that, I figure if you're a big enough dumbass to take it anyway. Than that's on you. Go look in every Patnet Vax and Clot Shot threads. You will never see me posting about what's in it, what it does to your body, and all of the hoopla surrounding it. I do point out that a lot of people who took it, died, or got a serious stroke. While I don't' know anyone what refused it, that has died unexpectedly or had an untimely stroke.

I know the VAX is bullshit, I don't have to follow all of the theories and conspiracies surrounding it. All of the are plausible I'm not taking the shot so I'm not interested in researching it. That should be the job of those that did take it. They should have looked into all of that first. I don't have to talk about what's in the vax. I know what's not in it. That is some magical cure that prevents people from catching Covid. It's the antithesis of what a VAX should be.
I don't need more informational amunition to argue that it's a load of Bollocks. I refuse to let those singing the praises of the VAX, get away with telling me, that they are up to date on the shot, and still got Covid, while trying to convince me that if they didn't take it would have been worse.
75   Patrick   2024 Feb 17, 11:59am  

https://twitter.com/ChristianM_74/status/1758343996294811815


BREAKING: Robert Kennedy Jr. has been granted a massive victory in his lawsuit against the Biden administration for colluding with social media companies to censor him and others.

RFK Jr. was able to win a preliminary injunction against the White House and several federal agencies as a federal judge ruled that the government was "insinuating themselves into the social-media companies’ private affairs and blurring the line between public and private action."

Judge Doughty said Kennedy provided substantial evidence that the Biden administration had coerced the companies into suppressing free speech related to Covid, elections, gas prices, climate change, gender, and abortion.

"It is certainly likely that Defendants could use their power over millions of people to suppress alternative views or moderate content that they do not agree with in the upcoming 2024 national election," the judge added.

The injunction is stayed until 10 days after the Supreme Court rules on Missouri v Biden, though it prevents the White House and other agencies from coercing social media companies to "remove, delete, suppress, or reduce... content containing protected free speech."

This is a major triumph for free speech in the country that RFK Jr. has won.



76   richwicks   2024 Feb 17, 4:21pm  

Tenpoundbass says


I was generalizing about past discussions and topics that I have had with other people. What you're trying to do, is pick a topic that I never even mentioned and shoehorn some other discussion that I didn't have with anyone.


I'm trying to explain why sources are important through demonstration. I'm pointing out that making EVERYBODY do work to find out what MIGHT be true is a way of exhausting people.

Most people are dependent on "authorities". That's why dummies still listen to Rachael Maddow and Sean Hannity for information, or Tucker Carlson for that matter. We are CONDITIONED to trust an "authority". Well, if the authority isn't giving out sources, ignore them, because sometimes they make mistakes, and sometimes, they just outright lie, or omit critical information.

If you stumble across an article and there's no feedback, ignore it. Don't even bother to read it. You can't comment on "news" articles, NOT because there's "too much hate" in the comments, it's because there's too many people calling out bullshit in the article. That's why people have abandoned "mainstream news", it's bullshit, and if people were allowed to comment on the articles for the last 10 years, there would be no bullshit in media. There's lots of sites that DO let you comment, then shadowban you when you find "errors" in their report. Do you think you're being shadowbanned because you're wrong? No, you're shadowbanned because you're blowing away their propaganda. This happens on YouTube a LOT and FaceBook, as well as Twitter.

Tenpoundbass says


I will argue until I'm blue in the face that Covid was a big Nothing Burger, that the media and the NGO health officials and government health officials colluded to brainwash everyone that if they caught it they would die. I have argued the mask was bullshit, and the vax was bullshit


People took it because they can't IMAGINE they could possibly be brainwashed, we all can be, including me even though I'm hyper aware of it. My example is to demonstrate what can be done, if people would simply include links. There should be a revolution at this point. Covid wasn't a "nothingburger", it was a psychological experiment that caused people real harm. There are people dead because of the lies. Don't let them get away with lies.

Tenpoundbass says


I know the VAX is bullshit, I don't have to follow all of the theories and conspiracies surrounding it.


Debunk conspiracy theories that are wrong, prop up the ones that are true. I HIGHLY doubt 20% of the population is going to die, but it's not a trivial number of people who have or will. A common method in propaganda to cover up a crime is to exaggerate it, so it's dismissed. "Oh the WTC were destroyed by directed energy weapons!!" - says Dr. Judy Woods on the payroll as a propagandist for one of the intelligence agencies.

Tenpoundbass says


That should be the job of those that did take it. They should have looked into all of that first.


Don't make it more difficult for them. Most people are cattle. Even if they stumbled across the screenshot I showed you out of a 9 hour presentation, the herd mentality is strong, and they would dismiss it. The screenshot alone they would consider "probably fake", and even with the video "well, this must not be important otherwise our free press would be reporting on it".

There is no free press.

That's the most difficult thing to get people to understand, we don't have a free press. Does all the media collude to push propaganda? How could that big conspiracy be true??? It is. Editors control content, and they answer to the owners of the press, which are not a group of investors, it's a group of people called the board of directors, and they collude.

That's the last hurdle. The cattle and sheep may not directly effect me, but they drag me along with them. It's a personal effort to undermine the credibility of our "press". Like I said, there's a tiny percentage of people like me, but we do add up. Before I die, I want the entire population to understand what propaganda is, how it works, and pass this information on to their children. We are making progress, the "mainstream media" is in tatters. People make careers out of making fun of it.


original link
78   Patrick   2024 Feb 17, 9:54pm  

https://debbielerman.substack.com/p/rfk-jrs-new-book-the-wuhan-cover


RFK Jr.'s New Book: The Wuhan Cover-Up

Review and analysis of a book that no major media outlet has reviewed and independent bookstores refuse to carry



79   Patrick   2024 Feb 23, 2:27pm  

https://palexander.substack.com/p/sharyl-attkisson-fearless-reporting


Mayorkas personally declined Presidential Candidate Robert F. Kennedy Jr.’s request for Secret Service protection; WHY?
80   Tenpoundbass   2024 Feb 24, 9:29am  

richwicks says

People took it because they can't IMAGINE they could possibly be brainwashed, we all can be, including me even though I'm hyper aware of it.


There are three theories I have about the irregularities of people afflicted or died from taking the shot.

1)Placebos: Perhaps the creators of the vax, knew it could be deadly, so to throttle the maiming and death, only a certain nth bottles created actually had the Vax in it. The rest were placebos.

2)ppm disbursement: Perhaps the ingredients that people had adverse reactions to, difficult to control the parts per million dilution. They weren't able to sit there with tweezers and say "one part per millionth for you, and one part for you..." Some vials could have had tens, hundreds or even thousands parts more than intended, while most of the rest of the vial had merely faint traces, while some had no traces at all.

3)Every human's body reacts to substances (drugs, food, minerals) differently. Some people react to drugs and food differently. That is one of the biggest problems with medicine today. Everyone is treated the same.

Even two or all three of these could be the case. I'm so grateful that many I know that felt that they had to take the shot. Hasn't been adversely effected yet.
Most of them would never take it again. It seems those that keep getting "Covid" and seem in worse health since the scamdemic. Are the ones are still defiant and are glad they took it, and thinks their ill health is because we didn't take it.
81   just_passing_through   2024 Feb 24, 11:05am  

Tenpoundbass says


1)Placebos: Perhaps the creators of the vax, knew it could be deadly, so to throttle the maiming and death, only a certain nth bottles created actually had the Vax in it. The rest were placebos.


There is actual empirical data to back that up but I can't remember where I saw it. Probably here on patnet but from what I can remember a nordic country had data - by lot.

One lot didn't have any reactions. A second lot had too many and the third was wiping people out. They suggested the lot with no reactions might be a control.
82   Tenpoundbass   2024 Feb 24, 11:47am  

If you ever seen CBD or THC oil/honey, in the bottle. Each one will have a varying amount of crystalized globules floating around in it.
There's really no way evenly disperse potency, the label on the bottle is a calculated guess at best. One bottle will be mediocre whilst another from the same lot or batch, will knock your socks off.

Also if the vax is causing blood clots, perhaps it's already coalescing in clumps, before it can be bottled or dispensed in dosage.
83   stereotomy   2024 Feb 25, 10:28am  

just_passing_through says

Tenpoundbass says



1)Placebos: Perhaps the creators of the vax, knew it could be deadly, so to throttle the maiming and death, only a certain nth bottles created actually had the Vax in it. The rest were placebos.


There is actual empirical data to back that up but I can't remember where I saw it. Probably here on patnet but from what I can remember a nordic country had data - by lot.

One lot didn't have any reactions. A second lot had too many and the third was wiping people out. They suggested the lot with no reactions might be a control.

There was an analysis done in Denmark that identified 3 distinct types of batches: 1) the "hot" shot that caused 80-90% of all adverse reactions 2) the "cold" shot that had far fewer and less severe reactions, and 3) the "placebo," with no reported adverse reactions. I forget the exact distribution between the batches, but I remember that the hot shot was under 10% of all batches, probably closer to 1%.
84   WookieMan   2024 Feb 25, 10:54am  

Tenpoundbass says

Of course when I say, "the people I run into, in my day to day travels". The people I'm talking about are live in person, not the internet.
Surely you're not suggesting I have never sent a link in SMS? I think you're trying to shoehorn your agendas in my story. So you're injecting this other nonsensical bullshit, about not providing a link.

Nothing new for Rich. The link is always correct... lol. Fact is we have citizen journalist now that actually experience what is actually happening. Anecdotal. Fancy that.

I know EV's are going to be taxed and heavily in the near future. I'm not writing an article on a website and creating a link. I know it. These are people I talk to that have to find out how budget shortages for roads are going to made up by people using them and not paying for them. This is not extreme logic either. Because I don't have a link doesn't mean it's not true.

Fact is I don't trust 90% of links anyway. I'm at the point if I didn't see it I don't believe it. The 10% I believe are from people I know and I know witnessed whatever occurred. I know a lot of people, so that's seriously where I get my news. They have no financial motive to lie to me. A link is shit.
85   HeadSet   2024 Feb 25, 12:20pm  

WookieMan says

I know EV's are going to be taxed and heavily in the near future. I

It may be that all cars, EV and ICE, will be paying mileage taxes in the future. May even be in the form of all major roads being toll roads charged with EXPass.
86   WookieMan   2024 Feb 26, 2:51am  

HeadSet says

WookieMan says


I know EV's are going to be taxed and heavily in the near future. I

It may be that all cars, EV and ICE, will be paying mileage taxes in the future. May even be in the form of all major roads being toll roads charged with EXPass.

ICE cars AND trucks already pay MFT. Our roads were funded just fine with that. As EV sales jump they're not getting taxed. They're not going to tax ICE cars more. Trust me on this one. Maybe in CA, but elsewhere not happening. They will 100% tax EV's. They have to.

Made up numbers for an example. Say 90% of cars are ICE and paying MFT at the pump. Say it's $100/yr. You're talking a 10-20% drop in revenue. Where do you make that up? EV's. It's coming. EV owners have been warned. And this isn't hyperbolic. It will be in two forms. Annual registration fees. And taxes by government via your utility provider based on your registration.

My timeline might be off as I don't like to make predictions, but end of 2025-2027 EV owners will get hammered. Financially it will be even worse than it already is to own one.
87   seesaw   2024 Feb 26, 3:12am  

Who in the zuck is buying EV's? I'll take a hybrid. I need Petrol. Don't even get me started on this nonsense.
88   richwicks   2024 Feb 26, 4:05am  

Tenpoundbass says

It seems those that keep getting "Covid" and seem in worse health since the scamdemic. Are the ones are still defiant and are glad they took it, and thinks their ill health is because we didn't take it.


At this point, I'm of the opinion that they deserve what they get. It's akin to warning somebody that's stepped out on the street that a bus is about to hit them, and they just respond with "Fuck you asshole!" and continue walking. I'm not under any obligation to help them.
89   richwicks   2024 Feb 26, 4:15am  

WookieMan says


My timeline might be off as I don't like to make predictions, but end of 2025-2027 EV owners will get hammered. Financially it will be even worse than it already is to own one.


I think the EV phase is dying off, it was a minor mania. Now that enough people have bought them, there's enough word of mouth with people saying "don't make this mistake..".

The cost of the car offsets the cost of fuel and once that battery is dead, the car has to be replaced. You're not going to see a Tesla built in 2015 on the road in 2035. Well you might, but it will be as rare as seeing a 1960's car on the road. When the battery needs to be replaced, that's the entire car and the technology is going to be changing. You won't be able to buy a compatible battery easily in 10 years. A car from 1950 still runs on gasoline, and the battery is the same as it was in 1950.

An old car, you can take apart, refurbish the engine, even build engine parts. No normal person is going to be able to build a lithium ion battery, even an exceptional person. You can't service a battery. It's like servicing a computer chip, fortunately, computer chips last forever.
90   WookieMan   2024 Feb 26, 7:24am  

richwicks says

An old car, you can take apart, refurbish the engine, even build engine parts. No normal person is going to be able to build a lithium ion battery, even an exceptional person. You can't service a battery. It's like servicing a computer chip, fortunately, computer chips last forever.

Solyndra or whatever the name was. EV's aren't and can't be the future. No grid/power supply to handle the charging with any incremental increase in charging. Solar won't help, reliant on the sun. So how do these get charged if nukes are bad, coal is bad, and I've even heard nat gas plants are bad. How the F do you power these things with even another 20% increase? You can't.
91   HeadSet   2024 Feb 26, 9:12am  

richwicks says

A car from 1950 still runs on gasoline, and the battery is the same as it was in 1950.

Your main point is valid, but a slight correction here - the 1950 cars had 6-volt batteries and electrical systems, and some required leaded fuel.

richwicks says

You won't be able to buy a compatible battery easily in 10 years.

Maybe, it depends on the price. If someone develops tech for a cheaper battery then they will surely make it compatible with a market of many thousands of used Teslas. Sorta like how one can convert a 1950 car to a 12 volt system and do fuel additives to replace the lead.
92   HeadSet   2024 Feb 26, 9:15am  

WookieMan says

How the F do you power these things with even another 20% increase? You can't.

That is the rub, not the individual car tech. I believe the plan for those who want 100% EV is to get the public off the road.
93   Patrick   2024 Feb 28, 1:27pm  

https://justthenews.com/politics-policy/elections/super-pac-backing-rfk-jr-secures-enough-signatures-get-him-georgia-and


Robert F. Kennedy Jr. secures enough signatures to get on Georgia and Arizona ballots
94   HeadSet   2024 Feb 28, 2:22pm  

Patrick says

Robert F. Kennedy Jr. secures enough signatures to get on Georgia and Arizona ballots

That may not be the good news you think it is. Odd that those are two of the states with the targeted 2020 voter fraud. Only now with RFK in the race, the fraudsters have the additional tool of "dominioning" votes from Trump to RFK. Then they have to do less of a vote dump to bring Biden to win in a plurality.
95   richwicks   2024 Feb 28, 6:34pm  

HeadSet says

Your main point is valid, but a slight correction here - the 1950 cars had 6-volt batteries and electrical systems, and some required leaded fuel.


You can still get leaded fuel, as an additive. I'm glad that shit is gone.

HeadSet says

Maybe, it depends on the price. If someone develops tech for a cheaper battery then they will surely make it compatible with a market of many thousands of used Teslas. Sorta like how one can convert a 1950 car to a 12 volt system and do fuel additives to replace the lead.


I doubt it. The cost of the battery is the materials, there's very little markup and they depend on scale of economics. The batteries are part of the structural integrity of the car as well, they are are designed differently for each vehicle. 1/2 of the cost of an EV is the battery. When an EV needs a new battery, it doesn't get one, it goes to the landfill. We aren't going to get increased energy density, we're there now, we might get different technology and different materials, but there's never going to be a battery that comes out that has twice the energy and 1/2 the size or 1/2 the weight.

Converting a 1950's car to a 12 volt system is quite trivial, you just have a DC to DC converter. Stepping down is really easy from a high to low voltage, stepping up though requires a bit more complexity. From 12 to 6, it's just pulse width modulated. You connect the battery for a split second, and when it goes over 6 V on the output, you disconnect it. You use a capacitor to smooth out the signal, and you end up with a tiny ripple at 6V. This is common in modern electronics. We could make devices where you could plug in anything from 5v to 30v DC and take in the energy but it would add to the cost of the device, so... If a phone costs $199 versus $200, that's a big deal because people won't buy as many at $200 as they do at $199. People are stupid.

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