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Some of the worst atrocities committed by far:

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2024/apr/01/israeli-forces-withdraw-from-gaza-al-shifa-hospital-after-two-week-raid

NuttBoxer says

Some of the worst atrocities committed by far:

Very terrible that Hamas continues to commit war crimes by using hospitals, mosques and schools as military facilities.

The war would stop the moment Hamas frees the hostages and surrenders. But Western AWFLs, LGBTS, Antifas and anti-Semites continue to support Hamas fighting a losing war to the last Palestinian child.

Also got to laugh at your "Tunnel Trutherism".

Clown show......

Gaza: Truths Behind All the Lies
Victor Davis Hanson / @VDHanson / April 02, 2024

‘Occupied Gaza’
Prior to Oct. 7, there were roughly 2 million Arab citizens of Israel but no Jewish citizens in the Gaza Strip. Gazans in 2006 voted in Hamas to rule them. It summarily executed its Palestinian Authority rivals.

Hamas canceled all future scheduled elections. It established a dictatorship and diverted hundreds of billions of dollars in international aid to build a vast underground labyrinth of military installations.

‘Collateral Damage’
Hamas began the Israel-Hamas war by deliberately targeting civilians. It massacred them on Oct. 7 when it invaded Israel during a time of peace and holidays. It sent more than 7,000 rockets into Israeli cities for the sole purpose of killing noncombatants.

Hamas has no vocabulary for the collateral damage of Israeli civilians, since it believes any Jewish death under any circumstances is cause for celebration.

Hamas places its terrorist centers beneath and inside hospitals, schools, and mosques. Why? Israel is assumed to have more reservations about collaterally hitting Gaza civilians than Hamas does about exposing them as human shields.

‘Disproportionate’
We are told that Israel wrongly uses disproportionate force to retaliate in Gaza. But it does so because no nation can win a war without disproportionate violence that hurts the enemy more than it is hurt by the enemy.

The U.S. incinerated German and Japanese cities with disproportionate force to end a war both Axis powers started. In Iraq, the American military nearly leveled Fallujah and Mosul by disproportional force to root out Islamic gunmen hiding among innocents.

Hamas has objections to disproportionate violence—but only when it is achieved by Israel and not Hamas.

‘Two-State Solution’
Prior to Oct. 7, there was a de facto three-state solution, given that Israel, the West Bank, and Gaza were all separate states ruled by their own governments, two of which were illegitimate without scheduled elections.

It was not Israel but the people of Gaza and the West Bank who institutionalized the “from river to the sea” agenda of destroying its neighbor.

Israel would have been content to live next to an autonomous Arab Gaza and West Bank that did not seek to destroy Israel in multigenerational efforts to form its own “one-state solution.”

‘Cease-Fire’
The so-called international community is demanding Israel agree to a “cease-fire.” But there was already a cease-fire prior to Oct. 7. Hamas broke it by massacring 1,200 Jews and taking over 250 hostages.

Hamas violated that peace because it thought it could gain leverage over Israel by murdering Jews.

Hamas now demands another cease-fire because it thinks it is no longer able to murder more unarmed Jews. Instead, it now fears that Israel will destroy Hamas in the way Hamas sought but failed to destroy Israel.

Did Hamas call for a cease-fire after the first 500 Jews it massacred on Oct. 7?

‘Ramadan’
President Joe Biden believes that the Muslim religious holiday of Ramadan requires Israel to agree to a cease-fire.

But did either Hamas or any other Arab military ever respect Jewish—or even its own—religious holidays?

The Oct. 7 massacre was timed to catch Israelis unaware while they celebrated the Jewish religious holidays of Simchat Torah, Shemini Torah, and Shemini Atzeret on Shabbat.

Moreover, Hamas’ surprise attack was deliberately timed to commemorate the earlier sneak Arab attack on Israel some 50 years earlier.

On Oct. 6, 1973, the Israelis were the target of a surprise attack when celebrating the religious holiday of Yom Kippur. Arab armies also assumed they would achieve greater surprise when attacking during their own religious holiday of Ramadan.

So, Arab militaries fight opportunistically during Jewish holidays and their own Islamic holidays. Egyptians and Syrians still boast of their 1973 surprise attack on Israel as the Ramadan War.

Only Westerners, not Arabs, believe there should be no war during Ramadan.

‘Civilian Casualties’
Israel risks the lives of its soldiers to prevent civilian deaths. Hamas risks the lives of its civilians to prevent terrorists’ deaths.

Israel considers it a failure, but Hamas considers it globally advantageous, when more civilians die than its soldiers.

‘Foreign Aid’
The Biden administration threatens to cut off or slow-walk aid to Israel if it continues to retaliate against Hamas, even though Hamas started the war.

So the administration promises to give more aid to Gaza after the Oct. 7 Hamas massacres than it gave to Gaza before Hamas’ attack.

‘Prisoners’
The international community that favors Hamas nevertheless knows it would be safer to be a prisoner of Israel than of Hamas.

It knows women are not going to be raped in custody by Israelis, but are by Hamas. And the unarmed are more likely to be mutilated and decapitated by Hamas than Israelis.

Is the international community more likely to charge Israel than Hamas for war crimes because the Jewish state seeks to avoid civilian deaths that Hamas finds useful?

https://www.dailysignal.com/2024/04/02/gaza-truths-behind-all-the-lies/

NuttBoxer says

Do I understand you correctly? Gotta say genocide isn't very Christian brother...

There is a time and place for everything. I’m not saying genocide is right in this case, it’s not my call to make. But there are times when the enemy is too vile to let live. It’s why we have the death penalty.
Remember 1 Samuel 15:3 Brother.

PeopleUnited says

There is a time and place for everything. I’m not saying genocide is right in this case, it’s not my call to make. But there are times when the enemy is too vile to let live. It’s why we have the death penalty.

Bingo. This never ends. Hamas has literally called out Jews and wants to kill them all. I'll shrink it down. You threaten to kill my family I'll kill yours and all your relatives. I don't care the consequences. Someone needs to link where Isreal said they want to kill ALL Palestinians. It's doesn't exist. I'm 60/40. 60% for Isreal and 40% for Palestine. If there were a global vote to end this today, I'd vote Isreal. And NO, Isreal isn't some saint. The whole situation is a cluster F.

WookieMan says

Hamas has literally called out Jews and wants to kill them all. I'll shrink it down. You threaten to kill my family I'll kill yours and all your relatives. I don't care the consequences.

Are you then saying Nazi Germany was right in trying to kill all Jews in Europe because some Jews wanted to kill Germans?

Someone needs to link where Isreal said they want to kill ALL Palestinians. It's doesn't exist.

"From river to the sea" was literally in the founding charter of the Likud movement. Zionist territorial ambition for "Greater Israel" was/is from Nile to Euphrates. The current policy being implemented is actually starving all Palestinians in Gaza to death, just like Nazi policy towards the Jewish Ghettos during WWII.

I'm 60/40. 60% for Isreal and 40% for Palestine. If there were a global vote to end this today, I'd vote Isreal. And NO, Isreal isn't some saint. The whole situation is a cluster F.

That's why you are a slave / cattle to them. Why should there be any intervention from us beyond basic humanitarian aid? Any billions of dollars from us to help exterminate either group is going to have a significant portion laundered back into this country (the US) to buy politicians to enslave you and me! While those money launderers laughing all the way to the bank calling you dumb cattle! The conflict-prone colony location was deliberately chosen to launder money, harbor criminals and take tax-payer money from outside to enslave tax-payers like you as cattle (goy)! and turn your daughters into "unclean meat" (shiksa) for sexual exploitation!

PeopleUnited says

There is a time and place for everything. I’m not saying genocide is right in this case, it’s not my call to make. But there are times when the enemy is too vile to let live. It’s why we have the death penalty.
Remember 1 Samuel 15:3 Brother.

You do realize that meting out death penalty to an entire population for their ethnicity or religious affiliation (men, women, children "and all their livestocks") is literally Crime Against Humanity? or are you not aware?

@Reality - don't waste your time explaining reasoning or morality to them. Neither understand it.

socal2 says

‘Occupied Gaza’
Prior to Oct. 7, there were roughly 2 million Arab citizens of Israel but no Jewish citizens in the Gaza Strip. Gazans in 2006 voted in Hamas to rule them. It summarily executed its Palestinian Authority rivals.

Hamas canceled all future scheduled elections. It established a dictatorship and diverted hundreds of billions of dollars in international aid to build a vast underground labyrinth of military installations.

Do you want to apply the same standards to the Jewish inmates of Warsaw Ghetto in 1942-1943, before the Warsaw Ghetto Uprising? Do you think the Nazis were justified in trying to exterminate the Jews because the latter tried to build up some defenses and even got weapons for themselves after facing a blockade? Are you not aware that in international law, a blockade is an act of war? That's before we get into the details on who really were behind the attack, just like 9-11.

Reality says

Are you then saying Nazi Germany was right in trying to kill all Jews in Europe because some Jews wanted to kill Germans?

Your comparing apples to gorillas. The Holocaust is over blown, yet did happen. Not denying it. Isreal and Gaza is completely different. Germans aren't still looking to kill Jews. Hamas and Palestinians it is their life goal to kill Jews.

I frankly don't care. It's a bunch of people pissing on each other over below average land and fictional books. That's literally what this never ending conflict is. It's a waste of our time and money. Let them duke it out.

richwicks says

don't waste your time explaining reasoning or morality to them. Neither understand it.

Don't understand what??? Germans are still looking to kill Jews? News to me. Hamas and Palestinian's have been trying to kill Jews since I've been alive. I have no alliance to either party. This is just fact.

Reality says

Are you not aware that in international law, a blockade is an act of war?

Breaking a ceasefire to kill 1200 civilians and abduct for ransom a hundred or more is an act of war. And war crimes, too. They targeted the rave and the village full of civilians in advance.

Armies surround towns, cities, and fortifications they're going to besiege. It's about as normal as putting sugar in coffee. If you surround Caen or Warsaw or Manila or Fallujah that's totally beyond the pale, amirite?

Reality says

Do you want to apply the same standards to the Jewish inmates of Warsaw Ghetto in 1942-1943, before the Warsaw Ghetto Uprising?

The IDF didn't create areas and zones for civilians? Funny, there was plenty of video evidence they did so, plus plenty of radio, tv, leaflet, and speaker announcements for days, plural.

The Red Cross, which receives billions in funding from governments all over the world, is obligated under international law to check on POWs and kidnap victims. Yet only in Gaza do they refuse to carry out their international law and international tax-dollar mandatory mission to visit Israeli prisoners.

Reality says

Zionist territorial ambition for "Greater Israel" was/is from Nile to Euphrates.

And yet, they returned 2/3 of Israeli Controlled territory when they gave the Sinai back to Egypt, at a huge cost in defense depth. Having Sinai gave Israel some oil and minerals and the ability to contest the Suez at any time, and force the Egyptians to launch an amphibious attack everytime they tried to get at Israel.

Yet they gave it up for a peace treaty. It's almost as if they are willing to trade land for peace, so long as they are guaranteed peace.

The Oded plan, a flight of fantasy written by an ex-Intel civilian Israel in a newspaper in the early 1980s, is still trotted out 40 years later as "DA PROOF!!!" that Israel wants the whole Middle East. Never any public statement or leaked memo in the past couple of decades by an actual, i dunno, Israeli official.

Reality says

Are you then saying Nazi Germany was right in trying to kill all Jews in Europe because some Jews wanted to kill Germans?

Hamas runs Gaza. There will be no end of conflict until the last Hamas official surrenders power. There will be no bullshit that applies to Israel but no other combatant to save Ham-ass this time. The IDF will continue to go out of it's way to avoid civilian casualties. The jig is up. Hamas cannot control Gaza and there will be no end to the war until Hamas no longer controls Gaza, period, end of story.

All Hamas needs to do is surrender.

Were the Allies was wrong to demand the unconditional surrender of Germany and Japan in WW2?

"Nooooes, don't bomb da Dresden and da Hiroshima, muh civilian population" Of course, ignoring the Japanese atrocities against US, Filipino, Chinese, and British POWs and Civilians. And of course the German ones that started in 1939 during Fall Weiss. Or the German carpet bombings of Rotterdam in 1940.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cz%C4%99stochowa_massacre

In fact the worst of the massacres, that began within days of the invasion, were committed by Volksdeutsche Partisan units in and around Danzig.

Anyway, Hamas is done for, nobody cares what the State Department Internationalists think and the same deep staters who want Israel to give up are the same that created our shitty foreign affairs disasters from Afghanistan to our own Border.

All the anti-Zionists were jerking off a big load October 7th. Now they're throwing everything inc. the kitchen sink to keep Hamas alive. Tough shit, ain't happening.

Our great and wise foreign policy experts like to give histories of WW2 that leave out the Molotov-Ribbentropf Pact, which not only was the mutual, voluntary agreement of Stalin and Hitler - the latter came up with the idea - to divide Poland, but also was a massive trade agreement and split Eastern Europe into Soviet and Nazi spheres of Influence, which is why the Nazis didn't overtly aid Finland 39-40 as the Soviets had Finland in their agreed-upon sphere.

It's the same kind of Bitchute Bullshit history where Jews around the world boycotting the Nazis for closing down Jewish businesses and firing Jews from 100s of professions and the civil service is called an "Illegal Boycott" which is highly retarded.

That's like saying Tibetan or Turkic peoples all over the world are "commiting an act of war" against Communist China when they boycott their products over the Tibet or the Uighurs, therefore China can now enslave or kill 'em all without any limits because of the "Boycott".

Reality says

That's why you are a slave / cattle to them. Why should there be any intervention from us beyond basic humanitarian aid? Any billions of dollars from us to help exterminate either group is going to have a significant portion laundered back into this country (the US) to buy politicians to enslave you and me! While those money launderers laughing all the way to the bank calling you dumb cattle! The conflict-prone colony location was deliberately chosen to launder money, harbor criminals and take tax-payer money from outside to enslave tax-payers like you as cattle (goy)! and turn your daughters into "unclean meat" (shiksa) for sexual exploitation!

No mention that the US gives taxpayer money to Hamas every year, much of which is paid to dead or incarcerated terrorist families as a pension.

Meanwhile, the Arab population is exploding, they vote hardline Democrat and for the Left, they fight any and all commonsense immigration restrictions tooth and nail, and all the Pro-Pali marches are full of Pink and Purple haired trannies and Social Justice Warriors. And they all push the Anti-Western "Muh Colonialism" crap in schools and universities.

In fact, Arabs got the Biden regime to stop counting them as "White", which is ironic because the first Syrian Immigrants in the 1940s fought to be counted as "White". No more bennies for being White, Arabs now demand to be non-White to get bennies.

If you want to know who controls the media, is responsible for woke, as which country became the major financier and ticket buyer of Hollywood around 2010-2012? And why the Dalai Llama disappeared from Media.

NuttBoxer says

Is killing millions of innocent people really about a few Jewish hostages? Not hard to answer if you remove emotion..

I guarantee if Pakistan or Sikh Terrorists killed 1200 civilians and kidnapped a hundred and more from India, the Indians wouldn't hold back.

That's 1200 in a country of about a billion. Israeli having a few million.

The West has been so pussified that we're like "Oh no, you can't invade a city run by a terrorist group because they killed 1200 people and abducted as hostages 100+ more civilians".

The British and French burned entire provinces to the ground over shit like that.

What's great is that Hindus know exactly what Israel is going through because by pure chance and coincidence, the same shit happens over their border with Pakistan for 60+ years. And everytime India is about to implement a permanent solution in Pakistan, all the Muslim countries at the UN demand an immediate ceasefire and threaten oil production halts and/or embargoes until poor Pakistan the Instigator has the foot off it's neck.

WookieMan says

Isreal

This is a minor nitpick, but you are misspelling Israel consistently. You are reversing the a and e and it's driving me crazy.

Reality says

PeopleUnited says

There is a time and place for everything. I’m not saying genocide is right in this case, it’s not my call to make. But there are times when the enemy is too vile to let live. It’s why we have the death penalty.
Remember 1 Samuel 15:3 Brother.

You do realize that meting out death penalty to an entire population for their ethnicity or religious affiliation (men, women, children "and all their livestocks") is literally Crime Against Humanity? or are you not aware?

The God of Heaven determines what is just and unjust. Or are you not aware?

richwicks says

WookieMan says

Isreal

This is a minor nitpick, but you are misspelling Israel consistently. You are reversing the a and e and it's driving me crazy.

It's an autocorrect thing for whatever reason. If I don't get the red line underneath I keep going. My most common mistake I notice is your. I miss or forget hitting the R at the end so it ends up say you. I ain't perfect, but I do rely on tech to keep me in line and sometimes that's wrong. Or it might be because I believe Isreal is a name for people and not the country, obviously. Whatever, I'm an insomniac that gets little sleep. I will fuck up.

PeopleUnited says

There is a time and place for everything. I’m not saying genocide is right in this case, it’s not my call to make. But there are times when the enemy is too vile to let live. It’s why we have the death penalty.
Remember 1 Samuel 15:3 Brother.

So you know, for a fact, that God told the government of Israel to exterminate all residents of Gaza? The fucking balls on you to even intimate such an idea.

The death penalty you are referring to is setup by the government, under law. Hence you are using the fallacy of law = morality. You want to talk about when it's ok to kill in general, couch in those terms, not the governments.

If anyone's not familiar, he's referencing scripture where God commanded Amalek and his people be wiped out. This did happen a few other times in the Bible, notably during the Hebrews conquest of Canaan, The Flood, and Sodom and Gomorrah. The groups targeted by God practiced immorality on the Epstein level. Rampant sodomy/rape, and sacrificing their own children to false gods. I have not heard of any such tails coming out of Gaza.

Further, Christ clearly shifted the approach from punishment to reconciliation. See the Beatitudes. Your zero grace approach is more in line with the Pharisee's, who prevented healing on the Sabbath.

You will answer to God for your blasphemy, and worshiping at the false idol of government over God.

PeopleUnited says

The God of Heaven determines what is just and unjust. Or are you not aware?

Right, and He's made it clear in the Bible that love is the greatest commandment. And He certainly doesn't need any more Jim Jones death cult priests like you...

NuttBoxer says

Further, Christ clearly shifted the approach from punishment to reconciliation. See the Beatitudes. Your zero grace approach is more in line with the Pharisee's, who prevented healing on the Sabbath.

Does ANY of this apply to the Palestinians?

I can point to hundreds of examples of Israelis from Likud to Labor parties practicing grace and reconciliation trying to work for a 2 State solution in the past 50+ years including massive land concessions (Sinai, Gaza, Lebanon...), massive and lopsided prisoner exchanges, massive aid and infrastructure programs and allowing Palestinians to enter Israel to work and access hospitals.....

Can you point to even 2 examples of major concessions Palestinian leadership have made in the last 20 years to try and reconcile with their Jewish neighbors? Certainly Hamas has made no concessions as their main goal is the total destruction of Jews in Israel.

Son of top Hamas commander telling this stupid Western AWFL what's up. He even mocks this poseur wearing the Kayiffa - which is nothing but a hipster swastika.

https://twitter.com/DrEliDavid/status/1775870570589986874

"Fatah Spokesman Dr. Jamal Nazzal: Hamas Is Inciting the Public against the Jordanian Government; Iran Is Creating Dens in the West Bank, Gnawing at Us Like a Mite So the Palestinian Authority Collapses – Just Like It Is Doing in Syria, Iraq, and Yemen #Fatah #Hamas #Jordan #Iran #Palestinians"
https://twitter.com/MEMRIReports/status/1775839995049197713

"Palestinian radicals are now shifting from attempting to annihilate #Israel to occupying and destroying all of Jordan and the Levant. #Hamas terrorists in #Gaza, and their supporters worldwide, pose a threat not only to Jewish people but to the entire Middle East and the West."
https://twitter.com/amjadt25/status/1775544309544018137

socal2 says

Can you point to even 2 examples of major concessions Palestinian leadership have made in the last 20 years to try and reconcile with their Jewish neighbors?

Palestinians haven't gained any land in 75 years. Israel has.

When the settlements from Gaza were removed, every single one of those settlements were moved to the West Bank, at US taxpayer expense.

richwicks says

socal2 says

Can you point to even 2 examples of major concessions Palestinian leadership have made in the last 20 years to try and reconcile with their Jewish neighbors?

Palestinians haven't gained any land in 75 years. Israel has.

When the settlements from Gaza were removed, every single one of those settlements were moved to the West Bank, at US taxpayer expense.

I don't like the money spent, but who cares when 50% of people basically pay no tax towards it. I don't get involved in my local neighbors quarrels with each other. I especially don't do it in Texas or Florida from Illinois. Let them figure out their fucking issues. Religion can get fucked. Both sides need to stop being douche bags. I lean a touch towards one side, but both are fucking idiots. So this will never end.

Under every conceivable 2-State solution deal, there will be adjustments to existing borders and settlements to account for demographic reality.

For instance, not a single Jew will be allowed to live in Gaza, while over 2 million Arabs will get to live and benefit of living in Israel proper with all the rights of Israelis.

There will undoubtedly be some expansion of settlements in the West Bank as Israel swaps out other land given to Palestinians.

The Palestinians would have MUCH more land had they agreed to the initial UN partition and subsequent peace offers instead of starting and dramatically losing several wars and terrorist campaigns over the past 75 years.

socal2 says

The Palestinians would have MUCH more land had they agreed to the initial UN partition and subsequent peace offers instead of starting and dramatically losing several wars and terrorist campaigns over the past 75 years.

While your logic makes sense, they want to kill Jews and they say as much. There's no end to this until there's an "end" and I think you know what I mean. One side is going to wipe the other out. That's the only way. I don't get punched in the face 5 times and just stand there. Palestinians and Hamas are not realistic. Won't cooperate. We're at the point the discussion is over. Someone needs to come out ahead and end this shit. I think Israel is at that point. (I got it right Kulak. Lol)

WookieMan says

I don't like the money spent, but who cares when 50% of people basically pay no tax towards it.

US support of Israel is contingent on a constant barrage of propaganda, which exists through taxation. Money from the US is sent to Israel in terms of "aid", which is then used to bribe our "congressmen", and to purchase and setup "information" outlets.

These information outlets which are at least in part owned by Zionists and certainly do their bidding with regard to the Israeli project, are starting to fail, so as a result, they are the ones pushing for censorship, they are the ones screaming about white supremacists, they are the ONE of the groups stirring up all this racial hatred and nonsense.

The right thing to do is very obvious, it's been the right thing to do decades ago. Allow Israel to survive or die on its own don't prevent aid or money being sent to either side, stay out of it. But if I send a $1 to Gaza, I'm a terror watch list. I'm already regularly censored on Google. I've had the FIB show up at my fucking door, no shit, I'm not allowed to speak. I've dealt with people and groups trying to intimidate me.

You see, if you're a good little slave, or you're oblivious, or you simply don't care - you'll be left alone but I'm frequently over the target. When I was young, I wanted to understand how the world works, and now I know. It doesn't give me any power to understand power, but I see how it's obtained. Most people are barely human, and they are easily manipulated even when the manipulation is obvious. People's support of Israel is ONE example of this manipulation. You have been made to accept absurdities and you're a passive part of an atrocity.

WookieMan says

There's no end to this until there's an "end" and I think you know what I mean.

Yes - there will be some "ethnic cleansing" like what happened to millions of Greeks, Jews, Germans, Russians, Indians, Pakistanis, Ukrainians and Christian minorities stuck living in Islamic dominated shitholes after WWI and WWII.

Hamas' attack on 10/7 was designed to ruin peace and reconciliation for a generation.

Mission accomplished!

But as usual, the Islamists are total pussies and don't know how to fight without hiding behind women and children. So the Islamists are counting on once again for woke Western AWFLS and Liberals to bail them out of the mess they created.

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richwicks says

There was no peace, idiot.

So Trump's Abraham Peace accords between Gulf Arabs and Israel was fiction?

If you weren't a conspiracy loon - you would know that Iranian Shias (Hamas main backer) were terrified the Sunni world would finally normalize relations with Israel so Hamas, Hezbollah and the Houthis with Iran's help created the current shit storm.

We can disagree without attacking the other person. But personally, I find it better to use the ignore feature for people who don't research, only spout opinion, and advocate violence against women and children.

socal2 says

So Trump's Abraham Peace accords between Gulf Arabs and Israel was fiction?

It's just a goddamned piece of paper.

Settlements have never stopped expanding, people were killed all the time.

You never hear about Palestinians being killed, because you don't actually make the slightest bit of effort to get any information beyond what you are fed as propaganda. You make no effort, so you think just because some stupid piece of paper exists, it means something.

It's against the law for the United States to provide aid to any nation that has nuclear weaponry and refuses to sign the NNPT. It's illegal for Hunter Biden to use crack. It's illegal to murder people for revenge by any organization, like Seth Rich was murdered, that falls under RICO.

It's just not enforced and you don't realize it's not enforced because you put in ZERO effort to know what is going on, so you just make proclamations about "Hamas broke the peace", having no idea there was never any peace.

Don't you ever wonder why you're ignorant or even that you MIGHT be ignorant? Do you care? I bet no. You likely feel you're in the majority, the majority must be right, and you don't have to worry that your nation has been supporting a systemic evil for your entire lifetime which you could never be bothered to learn about, and there's the added benefit in that if you DID know, you wouldn't only find yourself complicit, but silent as well.

NuttBoxer says

We can disagree without attacking the other person. But personally, I find it better to use the ignore feature for people who don't research, only spout opinion, and advocate violence against women and children.

All my life Israel has been expanding, they started out as a terrorist entity. There's the Sargent's Affair, the Lavon Affair, the bombing of the King David Hotel, the murder of Count Bernadotte, creation of 2 million refugees in 2 years, constant settlement expansion, murders year after year Rachael Corrie being a memorable one, over 70 journalists have been killed by the IDF in this conflict, and now there's the World Central Kitchen drone strikes where they didn't just bomb one vehicle, but two, and when they were trying to move the injured to a 3rd, bombed THAT vehicle, finally killing them all.

AFTER they cleared this with the IDF, had logos painted on the top of their vehicles, and announced their route.

People who are like "well, Israel has a right to defend itself", are idiots at this point. It's like saying "well, we couldn't wait for the final proof to come in the form of a mushroom cloud after all!" in 2008.

There is a clear, obvious, history here and what will happen in the future is what happened in the past, and if you can't learn from the past..

@socal2 isn't making an error out of ignorance at this point, he's a propagandist and a liar. He can't be corrected, just as you can't wake a person that pretends to sleep. He knows what is true, he's just trying to deceive others. In your opinion is this a moral way to live?

richwicks says

socal2 says

So Trump's Abraham Peace accords between Gulf Arabs and Israel was fiction?

It's just a goddamned piece of paper.

It was formal and historic peace accord that re-established flights, commerce and formal government relations between Israel, UAE, Bahrain and Morocco. It was widely expected that Saudi Arabia was going to sign on next. And all this happened after Trump moved the US embassy to Jerusalem and took our Iran's top terrorist general.

But then we got Joe Biden and he decided to ditch the Sunnis and pick back up where Obama left us kissing up to the Shias in Iran.

And here we are with the Region on fire.

richwicks says

socal2 isn't making an error out of ignorance at this point, he's a propagandist and a liar. He can't be corrected, just as you can't wake a person that pretends to sleep. He knows what is true, he's just trying to deceive others. In your opinion is this a moral way to live?

I will proudly admit that I like Jews and Christians 1000X more than Muslims.

I see the majority of Muslim nations as primitive, barbaric, and bigoted that treat their own people like garbage and constantly fight with their non-Muslims neighbors.

I have seen how Islam has driven out virtually every last ancient Christian, Hindu, Baha'i, Yezidi, Animist and Jewish community out of the Middle East in the last 50 years. My home town in SoCal is filled with refugees from Islamic extremism.........including secular and moderate Muslims.

Yet fucking morons in the West are going ape-shit that Jews in Israel refuse to be wiped out like the rest of non-Muslim religious minorities - making ludicrous claims that tiny Israel is somehow expansionist trying to hang onto a tiny potato chip size of land in the Region.

socal2 says

I see the majority of Muslim nations as primitive, barbaric, and bigoted that treat their own people like garbage and constantly fight with their non-Muslims neighbors.

Your entire opinion is based on what the propaganda box tells you to think.

socal2 says

I have seen how Islam has driven out virtually every last ancient Christian, Hindu, Baha'i, Yezidi, Animist and Jewish community out of the Middle East in the last 50 years.

What happened 75 years ago?

Why do you think for over a 1000 years ago, they weren't driving these people out?

Are you certain they are being driven out by Muslims, or do you think external factors may be at play? What has changed?

socal2 says

Yet fucking morons in the West are going ape-shit that Jews in Israel refuse to be wiped out like the rest of non-Muslim religious minorities

Israel will wipe out the Palestinians, and the US will be complicit, and it will create centuries of hatred and resentment.

You only can see in your immediate scope through a television box. What will be the result of this in 200 years?

Europe, for over 1000 years isolated the Jewish population, and their breakout was around the 1500's where a small sect of them became influential bankers, because they could be bankers, Christians couldn't because usury was barred.

The enmity of the Christian nations will return, especially given that Europe has been intentionally over-run by Muslims. The long standing detente between Jews and Muslims will end, perhaps permanently.

We are at a unique point in history where "authorities" can no longer control the current narrative and without that ability, they can't control history either. This current action by Israel will not be whitewashed.

socal2 says

making ludicrous claims that tiny Israel is somehow expansionist

HAHAHA. I don't think you can possibly be as ignorant as you appear. This is Frank Luntz type of reasoning. Zionist apologetics. "What? US expanding??" Well, they will take over Gaza, at least 1/2 of it this time around, and they will continue to expand into the West Bank. They've already seized the Golan and it's defacto a part of Israel now.

I honestly can't take you seriously. I can't imagine you actually believe what you are saying. I don't believe it. Nobody can be that ignorant and be talking about this subject.

NuttBoxer says

So you know, for a fact, that God told the government of Israel to exterminate all residents of Gaza?

Can you read? I said I don’t know what is right in this case.

I’m not advocating for genocide. That being said, the scripture I quoted was a record of God doing just that. God also killed every ma, woman and child and nearly every land animal in the literal worldwide flood. God does not want genocide, but sometimes it is the only way to save the remnant from the evil doers.