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WookieMan says

Hamas prior to October 7 was lobbing rockets into Isreal forever. Isreal has had a lot of restraint.

Israel has been killing Palestinians and stealing their land, one house at a time, for 75 years. What you are seeing is a revolt, and it's actually the Palestinians that have shown ENORMOUS restraint, which is why they have lost so much land. It's only 10 million people. Without the US being involved, it would be easy for Egypt, Jordan, Syria, and Lebanon to end this. The only reason THAT didn't happen in the 1970's, is that both the Russians and the Americans negotiated an end to that particular phase of the conflict, that and Israel stole nuclear material from the United States and now has nuclear weapons, the only nation in the Middle East that does.

richwicks says

WookieMan says

Hamas prior to October 7 was lobbing rockets into Isreal forever. Isreal has had a lot of restraint.

Israel has been killing Palestinians and stealing their land, one house at a time, for 75 years. What you are seeing is a revolt, and it's actually the Palestinians that have shown ENORMOUS restraint, which is why they have lost so much land. It's only 10 million people. Without the US being involved, it would be easy for Egypt, Jordan, Syria, and Lebanon to end this. The only reason THAT didn't happen in the 1970's, is that both the Russians and the Americans negotiated an end to that particular phase of the conflict, that and Israel stole nuclear material from the United States and now has nuclear weapons, the only nation in the Middle East that does.

I'll say it for probably the 100th time. Who cares? We have cities with human shit on the streets, high murder rates, crime, etc. Who the fuck cares about Isreal or Hamas? I fucking don't. Let them die. I don't even care about the civilians. This never ends and I think you know it. It's not happening in my back yard so zero shits should be given. The Eastern hemisphere has been trash for centuries. Won't stop. Why care? What is anyone on this site doing about it? Nothing. Just bitching and giving opinions on something that doesn't effect them.

WookieMan says

I'll say it for probably the 100th time. Who cares?

Our government does. It's their top priority.


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WookieMan says

We have cities with human shit on the streets, high murder rates, crime, etc.

So? The criminals that run the government don't care about that.

What's the mystery here?

WookieMan says

Who the fuck cares about Israel or Hamas? I fucking don't.

The criminals that control our foreign policy do not care about what you think should be done or what shouldn't be done. Nothing complicated about that. They will go to war for 2 decades for Israeli interests, and let the United States be invaded across the border. You won't do anything about it.

WookieMan says

This never ends and I think you know it. It's not happening in my back yard so zero shits should be given.

Well, you pay for it. This would end, quick, if the US stopped sending money to Israel and put the Neocons that control US foreign policy into prison.

WookieMan says

The Eastern hemisphere has been trash for centuries. Won't stop. Why care?

The US government cares, and Americans won't do anything about it. They won't even pay attention to the fact that the US government has no obligation to the United States or US citizens.

You have no representation. The US government will spend a trillion dollars on Israel, and will leave people in East Palestine Ohio to slowly die. They've not even found the missing people in Maui. You see, the propaganda box doesn't talk about it, and since most people are subhuman zombies, they don't think about it.

Most people think exclusively what they are told to think about by the propaganda box. When is the last time you thought about what was going on in Syria? We're still at war there, why? Is there any US interest there? ISRAEL has an interest there. Why do you think we're there? And Iran is on the other side of the planet, why should the US care about it? But they do, Israel has a big problem - yet we have senators and congressmen advocating for war against them. See the problem yet?

I don't care... Not sure how much clearer I can be. No nation has the ability to attack us in any meaningful way. Someone nukes us they're toast.

I look at the US as a family. I don't give a shit about the drama elsewhere. If they want to fight and kill each other who cares. There's too many cultures on that side of the planet that it's never going to work out. Just let them do their thing. They'll be in perpetual war. Hell the Koreans are still technically at war.

Sure we get involved financially. I paid my taxes and so be it. As long as we don't put our young men into the situation any more. I can live with a gamble of tax payer money, just not our citizens. This doesn't end. Ever. We have a generally homogenous hemisphere with basically 2 languages. Europeans don't even speak the same language country to country. They don't understand Russian. Arab languages. Chinese. Indian. African languages. That side of the planet will never get along. No point in caring.

We should stick to protecting shipping lanes and a few bases and get the fuck out of everything. When it all melts down without our kids going there, we reap the spoils. We should have never been involved in WWI or II. Or Vietnam. Or Korea. Or Iraq. Or Afghanistan. I think we'd agree there. There's an entire continent on this planet that is totally shit.

I don't know. Don't really give a shit what our government does with Isreal. I don't give a shit about jews nor do I hate them. They're just people with a fucking fictional book. Blah blah blah. I don't get into fist fights over Lord of the Rings...

@AmericanKulak You're a disgusting human being, a sociopath, and a hateful racist. I don't care what's happened to make you so bitter, you deserved it.

Yes, this is a personal attack. Anyone who laughs at children suffering does not deserve decency.

socal2 says

The fighting would stop today if Hamas surrendered and released the remaining hostages. Even Netanyahu would not have cause to finish in Rafah if Hamas finally surrendered.

You keep repeating the same baseless lie, and keep ignoring the Israeli government documents where they outline a plan to force relocate all of Gaza. But I know you'd never call the Israeli government liars, because then by your definition they would be anti-Semites, so you're in quite a bind with your spurious logic right now...

NuttBoxer says

Yes, this is a personal attack. Anyone who laughs at children suffering does not deserve decency.

Do they not have parents? The photos posted are staged. Hook line and sinker...

Here's the adult thing to do, stop shooting at each other. Just came up on the anniversary of a friends kid that died that would have been same age as my oldest. They didn't adult and he died of a bacterial infection. 100% preventable. Adults need to adult. Kids will die. Adults will die. Choices have been made. They can change those choices.

The problem is both sides have religion. Reading fiction books has always been a problem. It's just a certain few that fuck up the world. Pick your poison I guess. Until Muslims, Jews and mainly Catholics can live in peace (they won't) this goes on forever. Humans are going to die. Kids included. You can have emotions, but you're not doing anything to get to the root of the problem. Religion.

WookieMan says

I don't care... Not sure how much clearer I can be. No nation has the ability to attack us in any meaningful way.

We've already been conquered and we are currently occupied. Why do you think we spend money and resources on nations that have NOTHING to do with the United States?

WookieMan says

Hell the Koreans are still technically at war.

You realize they were about to sign the official end of the war until Bolton put an end to that, by saying that the US would deal with North Korea using the "Libya model". The use foments conflict, NOW. That's all it does. We don't have foreign enemies, we have a domestic one.

WookieMan says

Sure we get involved financially. I paid my taxes and so be it. As long as we don't put our young men into the situation any more. I can live with a gamble of tax payer money, just not our citizens. This doesn't end. Ever.

You are simply incapable of understanding what is going on.

Ukraine wouldn't be in war if the US didn't overthrow it, and then fund it, and 300,000+ Ukrainians wouldn't be dead, and Europe would have easy access to energy and we wouldn't have spent trillions of dollars on wars in the Middle East, or be dealing with Israel, and Afghanistan wouldn't be selling our latest military equipment to every Tom Dick and Harry, if we just left them alone.

It's not just money.

The "refugees" that keep coming into this nation, our government created a good deal of them, through sanctions, direct war, and other foreign interference.

Whatever, it's pointless to try to explain something that should be immediately obvious to anybody but you can't seem to comprehend.

richwicks says

You are simply incapable of understanding what is going on.

Ukraine wouldn't be in war if the US didn't overthrow it, and then fund it, and 300,000+ Ukrainians wouldn't be dead, and Europe would have easy access to energy and we wouldn't have spent trillions of dollars on wars in the Middle East, or be dealing with Israel, and Afghanistan wouldn't be selling our latest military equipment to every Tom Dick and Harry, if we just left them alone.

Russia/USSR has been at war far longer than 2014. Are you serious? The entire 20th century all of Europe was at war. Fuck it's been at war for centuries. This will never change regardless of our involvement. We were at our most peaceful time in world history until Ukraine/Russia and Isreal/Gaza.

The biggest culprit in it all is Russia. US involvement financially and equipment wise is nothing. Ukraine was of no threat regardless of their government being overthrown. If they were they'd be demolishing Russia right now. They're not. There was no threat. That's been my point on this topic. They now have more NATO neighbors. That's winning for Russia and the fault of the US??? Russia could have just been neighbors. We could take Canada in days and we don't.

Let the federal government do what they want. Maybe focus on local and get the shit off your streets... Everyone is hyper focused on national and international politics and ignores what is happening in your back yard. It's the reason I won't step foot in San Fransisco again in my lifetime. I don't care about Ukraine or anything. I'd like to go to a once great city like San Francisco and enjoy myself without slipping on a turd and fall on an AIDS needle.

You CA guys are a bit blind as someone that travels. You guys stay there and don't do anything besides local. Get out. You'll like it.

WookieMan says

Russia/USSR has been at war far longer than 2014. Are you serious? The entire 20th century all of Europe was at war. Fuck it's been at war for centuries.

But the US hasn't been.

You can't seem to comprehend that.

War fucks up BOTH nations, and it's fucking up THIS nation. It doesn't matter if we're attacked or not.

The Swiss have stayed out of wars almost entirely. They have prospered as a nation. They allow people to come in, but they're not citizens of Switzerland. They have a high standard of living. That used to be the United States.

WookieMan says

They now have more NATO neighbors.

Which will just cost the US more money.

THAT'S why they joined NATO, of course. They won't pay for any of it. NATO is useless. It's been obsolete since December 26th, 1991. It's just money laundering, nothing else.

WookieMan says

Let the federal government do what they want.

This is an "admiral".



All this trans bullshit is top down. Department of Education pushes it now.

WookieMan says

You CA guys are a bit blind as someone that travels. You guys stay there and don't do anything besides local. Get out. You'll like it.

I've lived in 5 states. California is as varied as NY. Indiana was a bunch of religious nutjobs. Colorado was either FAR RIGHT, or FAR LEFT, no in between, Boston is a shithole as disgusting as NYC. NH is OK but I've not lived there, but I've been there a lot.

richwicks says

Palestinians that have shown ENORMOUS restraint,

LOL. The massacres began decades before Israel was a state. And they never gave a shit about Palestine, Grand Mufti Husseyn wanted the British to establish a Caliphate in Damascus that would include all the Levant from Antioch in Turkey to Lebanon, Jerusalem, Syria, and Iraq

The poster @WookieMan is responding to has had some interesting waffling on the issue. Previously on this board he's said he doesn't give a shit, but whenever the precious Fakestines FAFO, it's all crying on their behalf.

Many will believe the most ridiculous silicone babydolls or ex rectum Hamas death tolls that are out of whack with all sieges from Grzony to Hue City to Fallujah, but express extreme skepticism over pictures of israeli babies executed in their cribs by juiced up paragliding terrorists or burnt to a crisp, though the corpse was inspected by scores of international journalists, doctors, and officials.

NuttBoxer says

Yes, this is a personal attack. Anyone who laughs at children suffering does not deserve decency.

Yep, shooting and burning and kidnapping babies and raping kids is pretty nasty, part of the Oct7 massacre.

Anybody who supports terrorists kidnapping babies and shooting others is a scumbag.
https://www.reuters.com/world/middle-east/baby-remains-hostage-gaza-others-go-free-israel-hamas-deal-2023-11-28/

Hamas infiltrators seized baby Kfir, four-year-old Ariel and their parents Yarden and Shiri after bursting into southern Israeli towns on Oct. 7, killing around 1,200 people and prompting an Israeli military offensive that has killed more than 15,000 people according to Gaza health authorities. Kfir is the youngest of the 240 hostages Israel says were captured.

Reuters is one of the most militantly anti-Israel Western press agencies out there, too.

Oh wait, Dawson and Hinkle and the rest of the BS Crew don't really focus on that, except to display hyperskepticism for any and all pro-Israel claims and quick to leap on any alleged Israeli atrocity or staged photo or reused Syrian Civil War photo.

Also, fuck the Red Cross refusing to do their Job under the Geneva Conventions. The reason they are given billions of Global Taxpayer dollars to exercise their duty (it's a mandate, not a maybe if you can) to check on hostages. If this was PIRA or Tamil Tigers being held hostage as suspected terrorists, the IRCC would be fulminating if denied access, but Israeli Civilians, meh, can't risk the rage fallout from Euroleft and Twelvers.
https://www.timesofisrael.com/israeli-group-accuses-red-cross-of-biased-and-apathetic-response-to-gaza-hostages/

AmericanKulak says

LOL. The massacres began decades before Israel was a state.

Name one before Zionism was a thing, before 1900.

Palestinians are just responding to foreign invaders, which the US will eventually do, except even if you speak out against them, you're labelled far right wing fascist. Smearing people only works up to a point.

The Native Americans did the same, although their fatal mistake is they continued to war against one another. Arab countries are making the SAME error, Sunni and Shia hate each other more than they hate Israel or the United States.

AmericanKulak says

Also, fuck the Red Cross refusing to do their Job under the Geneva Conventions.

The Red Cross is nothing more than ANOTHER money laundering operation at this point. And the law.. Grow the fuck up. If we had any law, Hillary Clinton would be in jail and the Clinton Foundation would not exist after it was dismantled. Jesus, you think this is still 1980.

AmericanKulak says

The poster WookieMan is responding to has had some interesting waffling on the issue. Previously on this board he's said he doesn't give a shit, but whenever the precious Fakestines FAFO, it's all crying on their behalf.

Not sure what you're getting at. This is a useless portion of the world. If I had the nuke codes I honestly would melt them all. This will never end. They have no resources. Nothing of value besides Med beachfront real estate. Neighbors to the north are still in a civil war. I haven't waffled over a damn thing. it's a shit hole part of the world and will be for our lifetimes. Europe is a shit hole. Russia and China are shit holes.

There's a lot of lipstick on a pig in that part of the world. No different than going to the nice parts of Chicago, New York, Houston, LA, etc. I can still have opinions on who attacked who in the moment. Currently it was Palestine. Isreal has been an aggressor in the past. It's impossible to NOT waffle on this topic.

AmericanKulak says

Yep, shooting and burning and kidnapping babies and raping kids is pretty nasty, part of the Oct7 massacre.

The Jew haters are still denying the atrocities on 10/7 even happened despite hundreds of hours of videos from Hamas GoPros, CCTV cameras and thousands of personal testimonials.

But they instantly believe ever preposterous claim by Hamas and their Islamist allies.

Tells you everything you need to know....

socal2 says

But they instantly believe ever preposterous claim by Hamas and their Islamist allies.

I don't believe either side or the US on this topic. Why? Because this will never be resolved in our lifetimes. One side is going to have to kill them all. That's the only option to make this go away.

This is all based on fiction books about who was on the land in the past. So in 2000 years can my decedents take my current home back? This is a juvenile discussion. How about put the fiction books down and work it out. No god exists. Until that is realized this will go on forever. If there were an actual god they would be a disgrace. They already are to normal thinking people.

WookieMan says

The photos posted are staged. Hook line and sinker...

Thanks for your opinion. But I still need just one asshole, so until you do some research, it's irrelevant. But I do understand. You don't want to face the reality that a modern day holocaust is occurring, because you'd feel guilty about all the posts where you said you don't care. Whether you admit it or not, your are implicit in approving Israeli government holocaust of those children. Denial doesn't excuse your moral obligation...

socal2 says

The Jew haters are still denying the atrocities on 10/7 even happened despite hundreds of hours of videos from Hamas GoPros, CCTV cameras and thousands of personal testimonials.

Show me the videos.

I don't care about testimonials. After all, E. Jean Carroll claims Trump raped her. That's her legal testimony, in a court of law. She doesn't remember where it happened, what day or month it happened, or what year it happened, but she CLAIMED it.

You can't trust Israel, it's as simple as that.

They have been repeatedly caught falsifying and staging video in this conflict as well, but I'm happy to see some real video, mostly to pick it apart.

These are the same people that claimed that they found the skull of a kidnapped victim, I mean - how? How would they even identify it and match it up to that particular victim? They make the most obvious, blatant, lies, and people just choke them down. They are compulsive liars, and they are bad propagandists, but "Israel would never lie" is what most people "think". They don't think at all.

socal2 says

The Jew haters are still denying the atrocities on 10/7 even happened

That's you, YOU are the Jew hater. On October 7th IDF killed Jews using helicopters and tanks. They stated that they did this. You deny it, so by YOUR OWN definition, you are a anti-Semite. And so is the Israeli government since they were complicit in allowing the breaches of their border, keeping soldiers away from the border for HOURS, and then attacking and killing their own people.

Lies always breed more lies, and eventually they contradict one another. By succumbing to propaganda, you have literally become your own worst enemy.

NuttBoxer says

implicit

You mean complicit, not that it's a big deal

NuttBoxer says

Lies always breed more lies, and eventually they contradict one another. By succumbing to propaganda, you have literally become your own worst enemy.

That's how I identify propaganda. The truth is never contradictory, lies always are. It's too complex to make a story up without making a contradiction. I used to watch films JUST to spot the plot holes at the end of my film-buff phase. Now I can't watch them.

Sure -- It was the IDF that took the hostages into Gaza.

Maybe it was the kindly terrorists that saw the elderly and children just needed to be looked after.

Misc says

Sure -- It was the IDF that took the hostages into Gaza.

Don't create stawman arguments even in mockery, this wastes people's time and diverts from thinking.

The IDF killed hostages as they were being taken hostage. The first hostages that were returned were interviewed immediately and said they were treated well and even treated their captors well when they were being released. Israel has created a lot of propaganda and nonsense around what happened, they exaggerated the number of deaths on October 7th, and they claimed all the deaths were caused by Hamas, which isn't true.

There's been people who have come forward that have stated that breaching the wall undetected was impossible. The Israeli population itself a MAJORITY of them believed this happened by intentional negligence on the part of the Israeli government.

It's unfortunate people have been killed by Hamas, but Palestinians are killed all the time, and there is no mention of it in the western press. There's a double standard, and this could have been fixed 50 years ago with the US just drawing a hardline and insisting Israel stop fucking around and just declare their borders, instead the US has been taken over by people more loyal to Israel than the US, and we're still dealing with this shit.

The ENTIRE WORLD is basically against Israel bombing Gaza. There's a famine right now, there's going to be 10's of thousands that die as a result. At the end of this, the US is going to look at lot worse than it does now. We're on this wrong side of this, and at the end of this, Israel might face international isolation.

richwicks says

Show me the videos.

FFS.

https://www.hamas-massacre.net/

socal2 says

richwicks says

Show me the videos.

FFS.

https://www.hamas-massacre.net/

Pick out a video of an "atrocity". Yeah, people were killed, I'm well aware of that. I want to see rapes, and babies being killed. You can't even be certain of who killed whom in any of the videos I looked at and I'm not going to go through them all.

Israel is bombing apartment complexes now, every university in Gaza has been bombed, and every hospital has been bombed. There's so many dead that dogs are eating bodies of Palestinians.

There was a Ceasefire on October the 6th.

What happened ???

socal showed what became of that.

The hostages did not go willingly with the terrorists to have tea in Gaza.

Misc says

There was a Ceasefire on October the 6th.

What happened ???

Israeli murdered over 200 Palestinians during the year until October 7th. Didn't hear about that did you?

https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2023/8/22/more-than-200-palestinians-nearly-30-israelis-killed-so-far-this-year-un

Notice the date, August 22, 2023.

Israel kills Palestinians constantly, all the time. You never hear about it until the Palestinians start killing Israelis.

NuttBoxer says

On October 7th IDF killed Jews using helicopters and tanks.

How many of the 1,200 Jews killed on 10/7 are you claiming the IDF killed?

I don't doubt that maybe a couple dozen got killed in collateral damage during the first few hours of confusion during Hamas' invasion, but look at the https://www.hamas-massacre.net/
and see all the videos and pictures of bodies of people in their bedrooms, safe rooms, cars and concert grounds killed by Hamas gun shot.

Do you even read the links you provide ???

Your link was incidents in the West Bank, not Gaza.

There are over 150 armed conflicts world-wide currently. No, I don't keep up with hardly any of them.

Oh, to answer my question, it was thousands of Hamas terrorists that swarmed over the border, killed about 1200 civilians, and took about 240 hostages.

That is how the negotiated Ceasefire ended.

richwicks says

Yeah, people were killed, I'm well aware of that. I want to see rapes, and babies being killed. You can't even be certain of who killed whom in any of the videos I looked at and I'm not going to go through them all.

For a dude with such strong opinions on the matter - maybe you should take the time to review a bit more of the evidence?

socal2 says

For a dude with such strong opinions on the matter - maybe you should take the time to review a bit more of the evidence?

I don't have particularly strong opinions on this matter. I've long ago drawn a conclusion. In the late 1990's Le Monde FINALLY published what they claimed was a map that was offered during the Camp David Accords for a proposed Palestinians state, it was at the moment I realized that there was no serious attempt to create a two state solution, and Israel had been lying for 50 years about that as a goal.

Israel is not trustworthy. They have lied for my entire life, and at 30, I simply stopped listening to them. Since I've done that, it's much easier to understand this conflict. Israel intends to take over all the West Bank and Gaza in time, and is likely to expand into Syria within my lifetime. If Israel isn't eventually destroyed, I expect them to encroach on Lebanon and Jordan as well. They are an aggressively expansionist state, and always have been.

This violates all the agreements that they signed and agreed to, so they simply lie about their intentions. They are a Jewish supremacist state, and eventually, they will get their asses handed to them and that will be the end of them.

Israel would be insane to sign another ceasefire after how the last one was violated with no warning on Oct 7.

socal2 says

The Jew haters are still denying the atrocities on 10/7 even happened despite hundreds of hours of videos from Hamas GoPros, CCTV cameras and thousands of personal testimonials.

Yep, the same people who were sharing 100s bodycams and cell videos of civilians being shot, often by their family members and friends doing the shooting, and ululating and celebrating and gloating over it are now trying to tell the world it's all Hasbara fakes and there must be an unconditional ceasefire immediately.

WookieMan says

I haven't waffled over a damn thing. it's a shit hole part of the world and will be for our lifetimes. Europe is a shit hole. Russia and China are shit holes.

Not talking about you. Read what you quoted again.

NuttBoxer says

You don't want to face the reality that a modern day holocaust is occurring, because you'd feel guilty about all the posts where you said you don't care. Whether you admit it or not, your are implicit in approving Israeli government holocaust of those children. Denial doesn't excuse your moral obligation...

Most hyperbolic post I've seen on patnet in a while. Again, you kill my family I will kill yours and any relative I can find. Down to 2nd cousins. Everyone would die and I'd make it horrific. Kids will die. I'm not defending Isreal. I'm talking about me. I don't lob rockets at families year round because of a fictional book. I defend my family.

I've done it before. If the driver had their window down I could have killed them chucking a beer at them because they almost ran over my kid. I don't care about Isreal or Palestine. They're both fucking idiots. No one can fucking adult. So the kids die? Fuck 'em. Not sure what you don't get about this situation. Kids raised in this shit just create more terror bullshit. No one wants Palestinians and Israelis want a shit swath of land that they have to constantly have a rocket defense system running. Are you taking crazy pills? Go over there and adopt them all. We have bigger problems here. Let them kill each other including kids. Fuck it.

WookieMan says

Most hyperbolic post I've seen on patnet in a while.

He's correct. You'll find out in a year or two, and then you'll be silent.

All of Northern Gaza is destroyed, unlivable, and Israel will destroy Southern Gaza. Children are starving to death, and although you might say "I would never do that", when faced with starvation, adults will starve their children before they will starve. This happened in the Donner Party.

You are going to find out, in time, just how immoral you actually are, and how cowardly you actually are and how easy it is for you to accept "the narrative". If this was 1939 Germany, you would have done nothing. Same thing if you were in Russia in the 1930's or in China in the 1950's.

richwicks says

If this was 1939 Germany, you would have done nothing. Same thing if you were in Russia in the 1930's or in China in the 1950's.

What can we do about America in the 2020s?

Gestapo, KGB, FBI, same. They are there to crush dissent. They take out the leaders to show us "little" people that we have no power. They almost had us locked down forever on a booster schedule in 15 minute cities.

If there is not an uprising if Trump, who very well may be deep state actor, is not elected the republic is over. It's going to be a shady election.

I am so cynical that if Trump loses I am going to join the democratic party and feign open support so I am not reported to the thought police.

Onvacation says

What can we do about America in the 2020s?

Well, my opinion is to inform the public. Do you see the censorship we have now? We've ALWAYS had this, but people were unaware of it. Nothing has changed. Our media has always been bullshit, ever since I remember. You could get actual information here and there from television, if you were really patient, and were willing to sit through an hour long documentary on Nova or Frontline YEARS after the fact, but that was it. You could find the information on the Internet if you were tenacious and did the research, and sought out people who you had to check and double check to be correct and honest, but hardly anybody did this and for those that did (I was one of them), nobody would believe you, they had to hear it from the damned propaganda box first, I mean "how could YOU know..." and I'd give them how I did know, they didn't read it, they wouldn't listen to me.

Today, what has happened is FINALLY people are starting to speak out, not in the dozens or hundreds, but the 100's of thousands, finally. It's taken forever. There's been plenty of censorship along the way, Yahoo! censored everybody that correctly called out the Iraq War, every single post on all their news articles were quietly deleted. That's where you could find information, people speaking out. It was no mistake we went into Iraq, no error, it was a lie, and plenty of people called it out, not that anybody could ever know now because it's all been deleted.

They they went to YouTube, that worked for a while, but censorship was there obviously by 2010, then it went into full force by 2013.

Commenting on news articles was all but banned, Disqus and Facebook came in, and they IMMEDIATELY censored. Both engaged in shadow banning, Disqus was quite stupid about it, I used to post comments, end up "in moderation" forever, take screenshots of that, and post them because the images wouldn't be censored, a computer program was censoring me, but couldn't read the image, but the person I was talking to could, and they were appalled, people didn't realize censorship was common and that it targeted political dissent. Most people didn't believe it, and would call your paranoid, or whatever and that's how it went for a few years. Disqus was so blatant about it, that people actively protested sites that used it, BitChute used to use it.

Then Trump got elected, and censorship went into full force, and people couldn't deny it anymore. YouTube started doing obvious censorship, so with data storage being cheap and videos easy to copy, people started collecting before the videos in case and before they were deleted. Dissenter was created, that allowed anybody to comment on any web page, anywhere, that was somehow shutdown, Gab owns it now, not that it functions anymore. Then the censorship was absolutely undeniable.

And here we are.

If speaking out wasn't a threat, there wouldn't be so much effort to stop it, that's why it's the key.

Onvacation says

Gestapo, KGB, FBI, same. They are there to crush dissent. They take out the leaders to show us "little" people that we have no power. They almost had us locked down forever on a booster schedule in 15 minute cities.

Yeah, but they failed. Bet that surprised them. The plan was to put us forever on boosters, but there was the Canadian trucker protest, there's protests in Europe right now, not that our "news" covers them, but you can see them. Israel has for the first time in my lifetime had public sentiment against them in the majority, I've never seen that before. So TikTok is being censored. Information is getting out that the vaccines are dangerous, "SADs" didn't work out, and the narrative of "doctors are baffled" is being mocked openly, not just here, everywhere.

They weren't able to put in a ground force into Syria, and they definitely wanted to. They aren't able to expand the war in Ukraine and they do want to put US troops in there and expand the war. Military enlistment is down, because who wants to fight for this fucking government? The news media is in collapse, YouTube has to CONSTANTLY promote CNN, Fox, etc, and they're failing.

Onvacation says

If there is not an uprising if Trump, who very well may be deep state actor, is not elected the republic is over. It's going to be a shady election.

The Republic has been over for a while. Obama was just George W. Bush in blackface after a diction class. Same exact policies, then Trump was elected and started blabbing about a "deep state", which I strongly suspected existed, and after he began talking about it, obviously exists. Now 1/2 the country realizes it exists. I feel kind of stupid on being merely suspicious now. I should have been more confident in my conclusion despite everybody around me believing it was ridiculous.

Onvacation says

I am so cynical that if Trump loses I am going to join the democratic party and feign open support so I am not reported to the thought police.

I'll go to the gulags.

Trump may be false opposition, I've even entertained the through he's being setup to be a truly fascist dictator. They have demolished any meaning of what a "fascist" is, it's not much of a step to go to true and open fascism, and then say "well, we warned you", but we're in fascism now, it's just behind a mask.

What I am seeing is failure upon failure of the national security state. They lost in Ukraine, they can't control the narrative on Israel and Palestine, they are outright trying to censor a platform which is mostly just garbage but has enough influence that they feel they need to ban it. Their bullshit on "Russian propaganda" has failed and 1/2 the country doesn't believe Biden was elected. Remember the 2000 election between Gore and Bush? 1/2 the people didn't think Bush was elected (and I was and still am one of them), same with Kerry - that got forgotten pretty quick, not with Biden.

And now they have to blatantly, far more blatantly, steal an election this time around. It didn't matter with Gore versus Bush it turns out, or with Kerry, or McCain, or Romney, they were all the same. MAYBE Trump isn't the same, we'll see.

Interesting times.

richwicks says

You are going to find out, in time, just how immoral you actually are, and how cowardly you actually are and how easy it is for you to accept "the narrative". If this was 1939 Germany, you would have done nothing. Same thing if you were in Russia in the 1930's or in China in the 1950's.

I don't care. It's not immoral to take care of MY kids. I adult and don't lob rockets at people. I go to BBQ's, drink, laugh and have fun.

No one is clearly getting the point. I can't stand Chicago. I don't go there and shoot people because I don't like them. I don't shoot rockets from my back yard. I coexist with the idiots. Do you get it now?

I'm not defending Isreal. They're all fucking idiots. So let them die. So be it. It's clearly what they want. I don't care about Hitler. People thought it was bad and stopped him. Pick up an AR and go fucking shoot either side you're on. Go have fucking fun in a part of the world that produces nothing but war. Sorry kids die. At some point adults need to adult and lead. Until then, kids die. You can go there and fight... You won't. Just bitch on a random forum.

WookieMan says

I don't care. It's not immoral to take care of MY kids.

Your kids are going to be slaves. That's the price of ignoring sociopaths run the entire government.

richwicks says

WookieMan says

I don't care. It's not immoral to take care of MY kids.

Your kids are going to be slaves. That's the price of ignoring sociopaths run the entire government.

Nope. The government doesn't run me. I control it. My kids will be fine and so will everyone else's around me. I do stuff to make sure of that and so does my family. What have you done? Like literally? What have you done?

Onvacation says

I am so cynical that if Trump loses I am going to join the democratic party and feign open support so I am not reported to the thought police.

If Trump loses I'm already on some lists somewhere...

If Trump loses, we the people are next.

socal2 says

For a dude with such strong opinions on the matter - maybe you should take the time to review a bit more of the evidence?

When Dawson and Hinkle report BS from Gaza, some will believe it unconditionally. Never mind days later it'll be shown to be from the Syrian Civil War or elsewhere, if not entirely faked.

When Israel reports something, it won't be believed no matter how much video or how many people are invited to view the corpses and inspect them. It'll all be a dog or something when Dawson or that nationalist guy on twitter who loves all nationalism except one.