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Sure -- It was the IDF that took the hostages into Gaza.

Maybe it was the kindly terrorists that saw the elderly and children just needed to be looked after.

Misc says

Sure -- It was the IDF that took the hostages into Gaza.

Don't create stawman arguments even in mockery, this wastes people's time and diverts from thinking.

The IDF killed hostages as they were being taken hostage. The first hostages that were returned were interviewed immediately and said they were treated well and even treated their captors well when they were being released. Israel has created a lot of propaganda and nonsense around what happened, they exaggerated the number of deaths on October 7th, and they claimed all the deaths were caused by Hamas, which isn't true.

There's been people who have come forward that have stated that breaching the wall undetected was impossible. The Israeli population itself a MAJORITY of them believed this happened by intentional negligence on the part of the Israeli government.

It's unfortunate people have been killed by Hamas, but Palestinians are killed all the time, and there is no mention of it in the western press. There's a double standard, and this could have been fixed 50 years ago with the US just drawing a hardline and insisting Israel stop fucking around and just declare their borders, instead the US has been taken over by people more loyal to Israel than the US, and we're still dealing with this shit.

The ENTIRE WORLD is basically against Israel bombing Gaza. There's a famine right now, there's going to be 10's of thousands that die as a result. At the end of this, the US is going to look at lot worse than it does now. We're on this wrong side of this, and at the end of this, Israel might face international isolation.

richwicks says

Show me the videos.

FFS.

https://www.hamas-massacre.net/

socal2 says

richwicks says

Show me the videos.

FFS.

https://www.hamas-massacre.net/

Pick out a video of an "atrocity". Yeah, people were killed, I'm well aware of that. I want to see rapes, and babies being killed. You can't even be certain of who killed whom in any of the videos I looked at and I'm not going to go through them all.

Israel is bombing apartment complexes now, every university in Gaza has been bombed, and every hospital has been bombed. There's so many dead that dogs are eating bodies of Palestinians.

There was a Ceasefire on October the 6th.

What happened ???

socal showed what became of that.

The hostages did not go willingly with the terrorists to have tea in Gaza.

Misc says

There was a Ceasefire on October the 6th.

What happened ???

Israeli murdered over 200 Palestinians during the year until October 7th. Didn't hear about that did you?

https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2023/8/22/more-than-200-palestinians-nearly-30-israelis-killed-so-far-this-year-un

Notice the date, August 22, 2023.

Israel kills Palestinians constantly, all the time. You never hear about it until the Palestinians start killing Israelis.

NuttBoxer says

On October 7th IDF killed Jews using helicopters and tanks.

How many of the 1,200 Jews killed on 10/7 are you claiming the IDF killed?

I don't doubt that maybe a couple dozen got killed in collateral damage during the first few hours of confusion during Hamas' invasion, but look at the https://www.hamas-massacre.net/
and see all the videos and pictures of bodies of people in their bedrooms, safe rooms, cars and concert grounds killed by Hamas gun shot.

Do you even read the links you provide ???

Your link was incidents in the West Bank, not Gaza.

There are over 150 armed conflicts world-wide currently. No, I don't keep up with hardly any of them.

Oh, to answer my question, it was thousands of Hamas terrorists that swarmed over the border, killed about 1200 civilians, and took about 240 hostages.

That is how the negotiated Ceasefire ended.

richwicks says

Yeah, people were killed, I'm well aware of that. I want to see rapes, and babies being killed. You can't even be certain of who killed whom in any of the videos I looked at and I'm not going to go through them all.

For a dude with such strong opinions on the matter - maybe you should take the time to review a bit more of the evidence?

socal2 says

For a dude with such strong opinions on the matter - maybe you should take the time to review a bit more of the evidence?

I don't have particularly strong opinions on this matter. I've long ago drawn a conclusion. In the late 1990's Le Monde FINALLY published what they claimed was a map that was offered during the Camp David Accords for a proposed Palestinians state, it was at the moment I realized that there was no serious attempt to create a two state solution, and Israel had been lying for 50 years about that as a goal.

Israel is not trustworthy. They have lied for my entire life, and at 30, I simply stopped listening to them. Since I've done that, it's much easier to understand this conflict. Israel intends to take over all the West Bank and Gaza in time, and is likely to expand into Syria within my lifetime. If Israel isn't eventually destroyed, I expect them to encroach on Lebanon and Jordan as well. They are an aggressively expansionist state, and always have been.

This violates all the agreements that they signed and agreed to, so they simply lie about their intentions. They are a Jewish supremacist state, and eventually, they will get their asses handed to them and that will be the end of them.

Israel would be insane to sign another ceasefire after how the last one was violated with no warning on Oct 7.

socal2 says

The Jew haters are still denying the atrocities on 10/7 even happened despite hundreds of hours of videos from Hamas GoPros, CCTV cameras and thousands of personal testimonials.

Yep, the same people who were sharing 100s bodycams and cell videos of civilians being shot, often by their family members and friends doing the shooting, and ululating and celebrating and gloating over it are now trying to tell the world it's all Hasbara fakes and there must be an unconditional ceasefire immediately.

WookieMan says

I haven't waffled over a damn thing. it's a shit hole part of the world and will be for our lifetimes. Europe is a shit hole. Russia and China are shit holes.

Not talking about you. Read what you quoted again.

NuttBoxer says

You don't want to face the reality that a modern day holocaust is occurring, because you'd feel guilty about all the posts where you said you don't care. Whether you admit it or not, your are implicit in approving Israeli government holocaust of those children. Denial doesn't excuse your moral obligation...

Most hyperbolic post I've seen on patnet in a while. Again, you kill my family I will kill yours and any relative I can find. Down to 2nd cousins. Everyone would die and I'd make it horrific. Kids will die. I'm not defending Isreal. I'm talking about me. I don't lob rockets at families year round because of a fictional book. I defend my family.

I've done it before. If the driver had their window down I could have killed them chucking a beer at them because they almost ran over my kid. I don't care about Isreal or Palestine. They're both fucking idiots. No one can fucking adult. So the kids die? Fuck 'em. Not sure what you don't get about this situation. Kids raised in this shit just create more terror bullshit. No one wants Palestinians and Israelis want a shit swath of land that they have to constantly have a rocket defense system running. Are you taking crazy pills? Go over there and adopt them all. We have bigger problems here. Let them kill each other including kids. Fuck it.

WookieMan says

Most hyperbolic post I've seen on patnet in a while.

He's correct. You'll find out in a year or two, and then you'll be silent.

All of Northern Gaza is destroyed, unlivable, and Israel will destroy Southern Gaza. Children are starving to death, and although you might say "I would never do that", when faced with starvation, adults will starve their children before they will starve. This happened in the Donner Party.

You are going to find out, in time, just how immoral you actually are, and how cowardly you actually are and how easy it is for you to accept "the narrative". If this was 1939 Germany, you would have done nothing. Same thing if you were in Russia in the 1930's or in China in the 1950's.

richwicks says

If this was 1939 Germany, you would have done nothing. Same thing if you were in Russia in the 1930's or in China in the 1950's.

What can we do about America in the 2020s?

Gestapo, KGB, FBI, same. They are there to crush dissent. They take out the leaders to show us "little" people that we have no power. They almost had us locked down forever on a booster schedule in 15 minute cities.

If there is not an uprising if Trump, who very well may be deep state actor, is not elected the republic is over. It's going to be a shady election.

I am so cynical that if Trump loses I am going to join the democratic party and feign open support so I am not reported to the thought police.

Onvacation says

What can we do about America in the 2020s?

Well, my opinion is to inform the public. Do you see the censorship we have now? We've ALWAYS had this, but people were unaware of it. Nothing has changed. Our media has always been bullshit, ever since I remember. You could get actual information here and there from television, if you were really patient, and were willing to sit through an hour long documentary on Nova or Frontline YEARS after the fact, but that was it. You could find the information on the Internet if you were tenacious and did the research, and sought out people who you had to check and double check to be correct and honest, but hardly anybody did this and for those that did (I was one of them), nobody would believe you, they had to hear it from the damned propaganda box first, I mean "how could YOU know..." and I'd give them how I did know, they didn't read it, they wouldn't listen to me.

Today, what has happened is FINALLY people are starting to speak out, not in the dozens or hundreds, but the 100's of thousands, finally. It's taken forever. There's been plenty of censorship along the way, Yahoo! censored everybody that correctly called out the Iraq War, every single post on all their news articles were quietly deleted. That's where you could find information, people speaking out. It was no mistake we went into Iraq, no error, it was a lie, and plenty of people called it out, not that anybody could ever know now because it's all been deleted.

They they went to YouTube, that worked for a while, but censorship was there obviously by 2010, then it went into full force by 2013.

Commenting on news articles was all but banned, Disqus and Facebook came in, and they IMMEDIATELY censored. Both engaged in shadow banning, Disqus was quite stupid about it, I used to post comments, end up "in moderation" forever, take screenshots of that, and post them because the images wouldn't be censored, a computer program was censoring me, but couldn't read the image, but the person I was talking to could, and they were appalled, people didn't realize censorship was common and that it targeted political dissent. Most people didn't believe it, and would call your paranoid, or whatever and that's how it went for a few years. Disqus was so blatant about it, that people actively protested sites that used it, BitChute used to use it.

Then Trump got elected, and censorship went into full force, and people couldn't deny it anymore. YouTube started doing obvious censorship, so with data storage being cheap and videos easy to copy, people started collecting before the videos in case and before they were deleted. Dissenter was created, that allowed anybody to comment on any web page, anywhere, that was somehow shutdown, Gab owns it now, not that it functions anymore. Then the censorship was absolutely undeniable.

And here we are.

If speaking out wasn't a threat, there wouldn't be so much effort to stop it, that's why it's the key.

Onvacation says

Gestapo, KGB, FBI, same. They are there to crush dissent. They take out the leaders to show us "little" people that we have no power. They almost had us locked down forever on a booster schedule in 15 minute cities.

Yeah, but they failed. Bet that surprised them. The plan was to put us forever on boosters, but there was the Canadian trucker protest, there's protests in Europe right now, not that our "news" covers them, but you can see them. Israel has for the first time in my lifetime had public sentiment against them in the majority, I've never seen that before. So TikTok is being censored. Information is getting out that the vaccines are dangerous, "SADs" didn't work out, and the narrative of "doctors are baffled" is being mocked openly, not just here, everywhere.

They weren't able to put in a ground force into Syria, and they definitely wanted to. They aren't able to expand the war in Ukraine and they do want to put US troops in there and expand the war. Military enlistment is down, because who wants to fight for this fucking government? The news media is in collapse, YouTube has to CONSTANTLY promote CNN, Fox, etc, and they're failing.

Onvacation says

If there is not an uprising if Trump, who very well may be deep state actor, is not elected the republic is over. It's going to be a shady election.

The Republic has been over for a while. Obama was just George W. Bush in blackface after a diction class. Same exact policies, then Trump was elected and started blabbing about a "deep state", which I strongly suspected existed, and after he began talking about it, obviously exists. Now 1/2 the country realizes it exists. I feel kind of stupid on being merely suspicious now. I should have been more confident in my conclusion despite everybody around me believing it was ridiculous.

Onvacation says

I am so cynical that if Trump loses I am going to join the democratic party and feign open support so I am not reported to the thought police.

I'll go to the gulags.

Trump may be false opposition, I've even entertained the through he's being setup to be a truly fascist dictator. They have demolished any meaning of what a "fascist" is, it's not much of a step to go to true and open fascism, and then say "well, we warned you", but we're in fascism now, it's just behind a mask.

What I am seeing is failure upon failure of the national security state. They lost in Ukraine, they can't control the narrative on Israel and Palestine, they are outright trying to censor a platform which is mostly just garbage but has enough influence that they feel they need to ban it. Their bullshit on "Russian propaganda" has failed and 1/2 the country doesn't believe Biden was elected. Remember the 2000 election between Gore and Bush? 1/2 the people didn't think Bush was elected (and I was and still am one of them), same with Kerry - that got forgotten pretty quick, not with Biden.

And now they have to blatantly, far more blatantly, steal an election this time around. It didn't matter with Gore versus Bush it turns out, or with Kerry, or McCain, or Romney, they were all the same. MAYBE Trump isn't the same, we'll see.

Interesting times.

richwicks says

You are going to find out, in time, just how immoral you actually are, and how cowardly you actually are and how easy it is for you to accept "the narrative". If this was 1939 Germany, you would have done nothing. Same thing if you were in Russia in the 1930's or in China in the 1950's.

I don't care. It's not immoral to take care of MY kids. I adult and don't lob rockets at people. I go to BBQ's, drink, laugh and have fun.

No one is clearly getting the point. I can't stand Chicago. I don't go there and shoot people because I don't like them. I don't shoot rockets from my back yard. I coexist with the idiots. Do you get it now?

I'm not defending Isreal. They're all fucking idiots. So let them die. So be it. It's clearly what they want. I don't care about Hitler. People thought it was bad and stopped him. Pick up an AR and go fucking shoot either side you're on. Go have fucking fun in a part of the world that produces nothing but war. Sorry kids die. At some point adults need to adult and lead. Until then, kids die. You can go there and fight... You won't. Just bitch on a random forum.

WookieMan says

I don't care. It's not immoral to take care of MY kids.

Your kids are going to be slaves. That's the price of ignoring sociopaths run the entire government.

richwicks says

WookieMan says

I don't care. It's not immoral to take care of MY kids.

Your kids are going to be slaves. That's the price of ignoring sociopaths run the entire government.

Nope. The government doesn't run me. I control it. My kids will be fine and so will everyone else's around me. I do stuff to make sure of that and so does my family. What have you done? Like literally? What have you done?

Onvacation says

I am so cynical that if Trump loses I am going to join the democratic party and feign open support so I am not reported to the thought police.

If Trump loses I'm already on some lists somewhere...

If Trump loses, we the people are next.

socal2 says

For a dude with such strong opinions on the matter - maybe you should take the time to review a bit more of the evidence?

When Dawson and Hinkle report BS from Gaza, some will believe it unconditionally. Never mind days later it'll be shown to be from the Syrian Civil War or elsewhere, if not entirely faked.

When Israel reports something, it won't be believed no matter how much video or how many people are invited to view the corpses and inspect them. It'll all be a dog or something when Dawson or that nationalist guy on twitter who loves all nationalism except one.

AmericanKulak says

When Dawson and Hinkle report BS from Gaza, some will believe it unconditionally. Never mind days later it'll be shown to be from the Syrian Civil War or elsewhere, if not entirely faked.

Show any time that Dawson has reported false information.

Who is prejudice against Arabs?

I haven't seen anyone bemoan Arabs ever on this site. That's like saying all Spanish speaking people are communists because Venezuela and Cuba are communist countries.

NuttBoxer says

If some Jew put on a KKK robe and went to the deep south to larp as a real KKK dude. They would need the Governor of Virginia's State Police escort to hold people back from disrobing them and exposing them for who they are. Just like happened at the Charlottesville BLM, Antifa Fedserection that was blamed on Trump and his supporters. The very fine people were the Feds and we all knew it.

My point is, we have no problem policing our own. We expose and reject religious leaders who are compromised and we reject LARPers trying to put us in an unflattering light. Muslims, and Jews never ever push back on the nonsense. They allow it to flourish. They are just as guilty as those hatting on them. If they refuse to push back ,then there is no distinctions between the good ones and the bad ones. Their cowardice is their own doing.

What I find most galling about the shift society has gone through in recent years is people's willingness to harm children. The obvious example is the Epstein scandal that shed light on a decades long issue within the United States government, pedophilia. But there are others we all agree on here on patnet.

Public education's push to groom children
Sexually deviant adults using public libraries, parades, etc to groom children
Forcing children to wear masks and coercing parents to give them experimental shots

but the latest example is simply outright murder. The holocaust in Gaza that a few of you are supporting here. Now personally, if I found out a cause I supported harmed children, I would immediately change my view. There's no justification that cause could ever, ever present to me that would change my mind.

Harming children is always wrong, and NEVER justified. By attempting to justify/dismiss child murder you have put yourselves in the same company as pedophiles, sexually deviant groomers, and power tripping, freedom hating narcissists.

NuttBoxer says

Harming children is always wrong, and NEVER justified. By attempting to justify/dismiss child murder you have put yourselves in the same company as pedophiles, sexually deviant groomers, and power tripping, freedom hating narcissists.

So you must really HATE it that Hamas and Muslim extremists always hide behind children and civilians because they are total cowardly fuckwits.

Father of the year here.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FWhwLUw5stI&t=1s

socal2 says

So you must really HATE it that Hamas and Muslim extremists always hide behind children and civilians because they are total cowardly fuckwits.

Yeah, they hide them in the apartment complexes and homes they live in that Israel blows up.

I'm so tired of hearing bullshit propaganda. I can show you a Palestinian being used as a human shield:



By Israelis. Common thing to do.

You know how Democrats accuse Republicans of the crimes THEY do all the fucking time ad nauseam? Israel has been doing this for 40 years, probably longer. The only difference is you believe the Israeli government when they do this, because you put in NO EFFORT in thinking at all and you just either mindlessly repeat it spreading bullshit Israeli propaganda, OR you know it's propaganda, and you're purposely lying because you're a dirtbag.

Richwicks found a picture from 20 years ago of some Israelis trying to stop Palis from throwing rocks at them!

Does that somehow disprove the fact that Hamas (and Islamist retards in general) hide behind the skirts of their women and children all the time?

The IDF just captured another 600+ Islamists who tried to set up shop again in the Al-Shifa hospital this week.

Back in October/November all the Hamas apologists were trying to claim it was absurd that Hamas was using hospitals as military centers.

socal2 says

Richwicks found a picture from 20 years ago of some Israelis trying to stop Palis from throwing rocks at them!

It's easy to find pictures. I got the picture from 20 years ago, because this is a LONG standing practice. Israel always lies about what they do. The reason a picture of that exists is that in 2004, cell phone cameras became available. Nobody was taking Polaroids of this shit in 1985, but it happened. Shit is captured on camera constantly now. That's why we have censorship.

socal2 says

Does that somehow disprove the fact that Hamas (and Islamist retards in general) hide behind the skirts of their women and children all the time?

You haven't shown any evidence. Go ahead and do that.

My beliefs, as far as I'm aware, are based on established facts, not bullshit claims by fucking liar politicians. Israel doesn't have any credibility with me, because I know they lie and lie a fuckton. I don't listen to them. Remember the "yellow cake uranium" that Saddam Hussein was SUPPOSEDLY buying from Niger? That came from Israeli intelligence, they just lied about it. They always lie. They are lying now.

I drives me crazy people are so fucking oblivious that they can't see it's a lie. You make NO EFFORT not to be propagandized, NONE so you're little more than cattle, and that's your choice. "Your" decisions, aren't your decisions at all, they are somebody else's. You're a willing puppet.

socal2 says

The IDF just captured another 600+ Islamists who tried to set up shop again in the Al-Shifa hospital this week.

Israel calls everybody a terrorist they kill or capture, Obama did the same bullshit. Whenever he blew up a wedding party, or a funeral procession the next week, he would just claim they were all terrorists. That's standard operating procedure when your government is run by sociopathic criminals.

socal2 says

Back in October/November all the Hamas apologists were trying to claim it was absurd that Hamas was using hospitals as military centers.

Yeah, but Israel said...

Show any fucking evidence it's true. They found two toilets in an underground area there. Every hospital and university has been bombed. The north is a wasteland now, and they're eventually going to attack the south.

You know that landing that the US is building supposedly to supply aid, it's not going to be used for that. It's going to be used to pick up the survivors of Gaza and ship them off to who the fuck knows.

I've been watching this fucking goddamned disaster perpetrated by a bunch of racist lunatics, and ignorant fools for over 1/2 my life. I've written here, years ago, that Israel has ALWAYS intended to retake Gaza and to overtake the entire West Bank. They will. You get called anti-Semite for telling the truth. I'm not a pussy like most people are. WORDS will change your "opinion". You're either ignorant, a coward, or you're an active colluder. One of those 3.

richwicks says

You haven't shown any evidence. Go ahead and do that.

FFS - there is video and geolocated confirmed pictures of hundreds of miles of tunnels and command centers under schools, mosques, hospitals and UNRWA facilities.

Keep making excuses for the goat-fuckers.

I'm almost positive I've linked to that story about IDF using human shields, but has anyone bothered to click on it, unlikely, as those who support the Israeli government(NOT the Jews, big difference), do it for emotional, not rational reasons. And when has anyone ever needed evidence to feel a certain way.

No one has a right to tell you how to feel, but don't mistake emotion for rational thought...

Sooo, why doesn't Hamas release the hostages?

Why did Chyna and the USSR block the UNSC resolution calling for a ceasefire AND release of the hostages?

Why don't starving "palestinians" protest against their rulers refusing to free the hostages and thus achieve a desired ceasefire and food deliveries? We know they can protest with the best of them - multiple "intifadas" offer a definitive proof of such ability.

Questions, questions...

socal2 says

FFS - there is video and geolocated confirmed pictures of hundreds of miles of tunnels

I'm not looking shit up. You post it, or shut the fuck up.

This fucking nation has been lying for my entire adult life, probably my entire life. There were no 40 beheaded babies even though Joe Biden claimed he saw proof of it, just like you are saying you have proof "if I'd just look it up", and that a woman's skull was found and matched to a kidnap victim, like they just stumbled across a portion of a skull, took it to a forensics lab, and then matched, like that fucking happened.

I'm tired of people not having the ability to think, and I'm not the thinking for you anymore. You're not going to do it even if I hold your hand and explain in detail. It's too tiresome for you "it's a screen" "tl;dr". Ignorance is a choice today, I'm no longer trying to fight against that just expose you're ignorant.

NuttBoxer says

I'm almost positive I've linked to that story about IDF using human shields, but has anyone bothered to click on it, unlikely, as those who support the Israeli government(NOT the Jews, big difference), do it for emotional, not rational reasons. And when has anyone ever needed evidence to feel a certain way.

It's pretty upsetting to realize you've been duped for decades to support a bloodthirsty government. They can't deal with the fact that we have a new media that lies blatantly in order to protect criminals that have been killing women and children for decades and continue to do it. They can't deal with the fact that our government really is THAT evil.

That's why.

RWSGFY says

Sooo, why doesn't Hamas release the hostages?

The HAVE released hostages - Ruti Munder said she was treated well, and she even shook hands with her captors when she was released. Of course, this meant nothing to Israel, and the US "mistranslated" (i.e. lied) about what she said. After that, Israel put the kibosh on any more unvetted interviews of released hostages - they now have to go through the filter to frame Hamas as just a bunch of mindless animals.

Hamas wants either a ceasefire, or Palestinians that have been put into Israeli custody that have been convicted of no crime. Israel has been taking hostages from Gaza and the West Bank for years.

richwicks says

I'm not looking shit up. You post it, or shut the fuck up.

Problem is ... if he posts it ... you simply say you don't believe it, that it is lies.

After doing this many, many times, nobody cares to post any links.

Nothing will break you out if your reality.

Misc says

Problem is ... if he posts it ... you simply say you don't believe it, that it is lies.

He never posts it.

I'm the asshole that fucking insists on links to confirm information, and people that refuse to do this, should be ignored.

Our bullshit "news" media won't post sources. To me, if you can't post a fucking source, a link, a 30 year old technology, that means you're full of shit, or more likely, you don't know why you "think" what you claim to think. This is propaganda fucked into your head without you realizing it. I'm not immune, but I'm aware of it, I do have a higher resistance than most people.

Misc says

After doing this many, many times, nobody cares to post any links.

Show an example of where I did this. Post a link.

Misc says

Nothing will break you out if your reality.

On the contrary I've been broken out of my delusions multiple times, and now it's a duty for me to do as well - which is why I post links. I actually want to know when I'm wrong. Most people, to me, bizarrely do not want to know. I have spent considerable time eliminating my cognitive dissonance. Few of you have. When I realize I have a contradiction in my thinking, I start researching it, and I eliminate one of my beliefs and go forward from that. I've been doing this for about 25 years. Quite often I realize I was wrong on both viewpoints, we're often given false dichotomies. It is laborious, but I want to know.

Which is why I'm not an Israeli supporter, why I don't think "climate change" is about to kill us all, why I don't think CO2 is a poison destroying the planet, why I don't think EVs are beneficial to the environment, why I believe green energy is a scam, why I think television is merely propaganda, why I don't recognize what is called "news" is information, why I don't trust my government, why I realize the intelligence agencies are staffed with traitors, etc. Many of my views have been over-turned over time, with people showing I was incorrect and I had the opposite stance on ALL OF THOSE as an adult. "The FIB wouldn't lie!!!", that's all they fucking do. Same with the CIA. I thought if it wasn't true SOMEBODY would blow the whistle, nope, a small number of people do, and they will vigorously defend their position, as I will. Most of what you hear or read, is bullshit, but there are people who are honest, to a fault, it's damaging.

Lies are said to be a tool of the devil, is this is true, our world is ruled by that, by evil.

You failed to post a link.

Also, simply read what you wrote. You flat out stated that you would not believe anything that contradicts your worldview.

This make discussions impossible.

Misc says

You failed to post a link.

Try to do a search on http://images.google.com/ and see a surprise. Save the image, and then upload it to do a search on it.

Misc says

Also, simply read what you wrote. You flat out stated that you would not believe

Quote me.

Misc says

This make discussions impossible.

I attempt to make liars and propagandists impossible to continue being liars and propagandists.

Are you now saying that you will look at the videos that he previously posted (you said you would not) ???

Go back and look at them. You won't because it destroys your narrative. You will simply say you don't believe them, that they are lies.

Misc says

Are you now saying that you will look at the videos that he previously posted (you said you would not) ???

If you post a specific video or quote and not a general website - like this:


original link

Don't make a fucking post making me search for a needle in a haystack. YOU find what you think is relevant, post it, and post the source. In that video, a dumb Zionist thug is comparing what they are doing to Gaza as what the English did to Dresden - do you think think what was Dresden was justifiable? It had no military significance at all, it was attacked just to attack the country in general by murdering civilians. It was an attempt to get the Germans to turn against their rulers out of fear. That's exactly what Israel is doing now. Gaza has been under attack since it become the open air prison it is today, they don't fear death anymore.

Misc says

Go back and look at them. You won't because it destroys your narrative.

I'm not going through a bunch of garbage to find what you think justifies your position. You do it.

We're not on fucking YouTube where you can't post specific links and this is almost an entire uncensored platform. Find what you think supports your position and post that, or don't bother me.

Why, you won't look at it (you have done this numerous times), or say that it is "lies" and not to be believed (a standard MO).

If I do re-post what socal2 offered, will you watch it and/or believe it ????

The answer based on numerous posts is no to each.