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Israeli "leaders" must have known about the impending attack and let it happen


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2023 Oct 13, 11:34am   20,688 views  226 comments

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https://www.coffeeandcovid.com/p/jilted-friday-october-13-2023-c-and


The Wall Street Journal ran an intriguing story yesterday headlined, “Hamas Militants Had Detailed Maps of Israeli Towns, Military Bases and Infiltration Routes.” The sub-headline added, “Documents found on Hamas militants show scale of planning behind deadly attack.”



Nothing like this has ever happened before. Michael Milshtein, a former Israeli military intelligence officer and head of Palestinian Studies Forum at Tel Aviv University, confirmed “There is nothing close to this level of planning in any steps Hamas had done in the past.”

The newly-discovered plans suggest more sophisticated actors must have been involved. One 14-page document described in the article was labeled “top secret” in Arabic and dated June 15, 2023. It described a detailed plan for infiltrating Mefalsim, one of the small collective communities near Gaza (called a kibbutz), and taking its residents hostage. The document included maps and aerial pictures of the town, and disclosed intel that the kibbutz held 1,000 “civilians” guarded by a volunteer security force.


I expect it was allowed to happen to distract everyone from other issues (like the death of 8 year old Israeli toxxine poster boy Yonatan Erlichman from a heart attack) and to provide justification for stomping on Gaza.

Not that Hamas isn't guilty. The murder of random civilians for political reasons is the very definition of terrorism. Hamas must be wiped out.

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57   Eric Holder   2023 Oct 23, 2:24pm  

Patrick says


The Case For "Inside Job" Picks Up: Did Israel Confiscate Guns At The Border Sept 1?


If they supposedly "confiscated weapons" how did that one kibbutz who had their act together and repealed the attack still had them? Fact is - most weapons there are not stored in homes, so there no need to confiscate anything: when terrorists are roaming outside your house it's too late to go pick it up from the offsite storage room. That one kibbutz got lucky the gal who had the key didn't get cut off from the rest and had time to open the storage and hand out weapons. The whole arrangement is highly idiotic, imo.

Besides, did they also confiscate weapons from the army? Because at least one base was overrun too.
60   richwicks   2023 Oct 23, 11:04pm  

Patrick says


OK, maybe it was Mossad that allowed or even orchestrated the massacre of 1400 Israelis just to get at Netanyahu.


No, if this happened, Netanyahu would call them out on it and have some high profile firings. It's simple to end this for Netanyahu, blame Mossad for the failure, or the IDF, or something. Netanyahu was part of this.

When something really bad happens, and NOBODY is fired, it's red flag for a false flag.
61   AD   2023 Oct 23, 11:37pm  

Patrick says

OK, maybe it was Mossad that allowed or even orchestrated the massacre of 1400 Israelis just to get at Netanyahu.


But who do they want to replace Netanyahu ? Naftali Bennett ?

They better be careful what they are wishing for because they can't use the same dirty tricks playbook all the time.
62   Patrick   2023 Oct 25, 1:14pm  

https://unbekoming.substack.com/p/understanding-false-flags


1. Reichstag Fire (1933)
Country Involved: Germany

Description: The Reichstag building in Berlin, which housed the German Parliament, was set on fire. The Nazis blamed the Communists for the act, which led to the suspension of civil liberties and the arrest of Communist Party members.

Outcome: The event facilitated Adolf Hitler's rise to power and the consolidation of Nazi rule.

Source: "The Reichstag Fire," History.com

2. Operation Northwoods (1962) - Not Executed
Country Involved: United States

Description: A proposed plan by the U.S. Department of Defense to stage acts of terrorism on U.S. soil and blame it on Cuba to justify military intervention.

Outcome: The plan was never approved or carried out.

Source: "Operation Northwoods," National Security Archive

3. Gulf of Tonkin Incident (1964)
Country Involved: United States

Description: The U.S. claimed that its naval vessels were attacked by North Vietnamese forces in the Gulf of Tonkin.

Outcome: The incident led to the escalation of American involvement in the Vietnam War, although later evidence suggested that the "attack" was either exaggerated or fabricated.

Source: "Gulf of Tonkin Incident," History.com

4. Operation Gladio (Cold War Era)
Countries Involved: NATO countries, primarily Italy

Description: A covert NATO project where secret "stay-behind" armies were involved in political subversion and false flag terrorism in Europe.

Outcome: Exposed in the 1990s, leading to investigations and public outcry.

Source: "Operation Gladio," BBC Documentary

5. Mukden Incident (1931)
Country Involved: Japan

Description: Japanese soldiers detonated a small amount of dynamite near a railway line owned by Japan's South Manchuria Railway near Mukden (now Shenyang).

Outcome: The incident was used as a pretext for the Japanese invasion of Manchuria.

Source: "Mukden Incident," Britannica

6. Operation Ajax (1953)
Countries Involved: United States, United Kingdom

Description: Orchestrated protests and acts of sabotage to overthrow Iranian Prime Minister Mohammad Mossadegh, falsely attributing these acts to Communists.

Outcome: Led to the overthrow of Mossadegh and the reinstatement of the Shah.

Source: "Operation Ajax," CIA Archives

7. Operation Susannah (1954)
Country Involved: Israel

Description: Also known as the Lavon Affair, Israeli agents planted bombs in Egyptian, American, and British-owned targets in Egypt, intending to have them blamed on the Muslim Brotherhood or local nationalists.

Outcome: The operation was exposed, leading to a political scandal in Israel.

Source: "Operation Susannah," Jewish Virtual Library

8. Operation Himmler (1939)
Country Involved: Nazi Germany

Description: Also known as The Gleiwitz Incident, is when German operatives, dressed as Polish soldiers, attacked a German radio station near the border with Poland, and falsely blamed on Polish forces.

Outcome: Used as justification for the invasion of Poland.

Source: "Operation Himmler," WW2 Database

9. The Manchurian Incident (1931)
Country Involved: Japan

Description: Japanese soldiers staged an explosion on a railway in Manchuria and blamed it on Chinese dissidents.

Outcome: Used as a pretext for the Japanese invasion of Manchuria.

Source: "The Manchurian Incident," Britannica

10. Operation CHAOS (1967-1974)
Country Involved: United States

Description: CIA program aimed at monitoring, infiltrating, and discrediting U.S. organizations considered "subversive," including civil rights groups.

Outcome: Led to illegal surveillance and violation of civil liberties.

Source: "Operation CHAOS," CIA Archives

11. Operation Bumblebee (1950s)
Country Involved: United States

Description: U.S. Navy project that involved faking UFO sightings to cover up missile tests.

Outcome: Created public hysteria over UFOs, diverting attention from military activities.

Source: "Operation Bumblebee," Military Archives

12. Operation Valuable Fiend (1949-1950)
Countries Involved: United States, United Kingdom

Description: CIA and MI6 orchestrated a plan to infiltrate Albania and overthrow its Communist regime, using agents posing as anti-Communist Albanians.

Outcome: The operation failed but was used to justify anti-Communist activities in the region.

Source: "Operation Valuable Fiend," CIA Archives

13. The Bay of Pigs Invasion (1961)
Country Involved: United States

Description: CIA-trained Cuban exiles invaded Cuba, aiming to overthrow Fidel Castro. The U.S. initially denied involvement.

Outcome: The invasion failed, leading to a diplomatic crisis.

Source: "Bay of Pigs Invasion," History.com

14. The Mainila Incident (1939)
Country Involved: Soviet Union

Description: The Soviet Union shelled the Russian village of Mainila and blamed it on Finland.

Outcome: Used as a pretext for the Winter War against Finland.

Source: "The Mainila Incident," Winter War Archives

15. Operation Condor (1970s-1980s)
Countries Involved: Several South American countries with U.S. support

Description: A campaign of political repression involving assassinations and intelligence operations, often falsely attributed to leftist groups.

Outcome: Led to the deaths and disappearances of thousands of people.

Source: "Operation Condor," National Security Archive

16. The Nero Decree (1945)
Country Involved: Nazi Germany

Description: A plan to destroy German infrastructure to blame the Allies and demoralize the German population.

Outcome: The plan was never fully executed due to internal opposition.

Source: "The Nero Decree," WW2 Facts

17. Operation Gladio B (1990s-Present)
Countries Involved: United States, NATO countries

Description: An extension of Operation Gladio involving the infiltration and instigation of terrorist activities in Asia, falsely attributed to Islamist groups.

Outcome: Ongoing; details are largely classified.

Source: "Operation Gladio B," The Corbett Report

18. The USS Liberty Incident (1967)
Countries Involved: Israel, United States

Description: Israeli forces attacked the USS Liberty, a U.S. Navy ship, during the Six-Day War. Israel claimed it was a case of mistaken identity.

Outcome: Strained U.S.-Israel relations; Israel paid reparations but many questions remain.

Source: "The USS Liberty Incident," Naval History and Heritage Command

19. The Informbiro Period (1948–1955)
Country Involved: Yugoslavia

Description: Yugoslav authorities orchestrated purges and show trials, blaming them on Soviet influence to consolidate power.

Outcome: Strengthened Tito's rule and distanced Yugoslavia from the Soviet Union.

Source: "The Informbiro Period," Encyclopaedia Britannica

20. Operation Washtub (1950s)
Country Involved: United States

Description: A covert CIA operation to plant Soviet arms in Nicaragua to suggest a communist invasion.

Outcome: Unclear, as details remain classified.

Source: "Operation Washtub," CIA Archives

21. The Trust Operation (1921–1927)
Country Involved: Soviet Union

Description: Soviet secret police created a fake anti-Bolshevik organization to identify and arrest opposition members.

Outcome: Successful in arresting and executing many anti-Bolshevik figures.

Source: "The Trust Operation," Soviet Archives

22. Operation Anthropoid (1942)
Countries Involved: Czechoslovakia, United Kingdom

Description: Czech and Slovak soldiers, trained by the British, assassinated SS-Obergruppenführer Reinhard Heydrich. The operation was falsely attributed to local resistance.

Outcome: Led to severe reprisals but boosted Czech morale.

Source: "Operation Anthropoid," BBC History


I think this one is not exactly a false flag, in that Hamas really slaughtered 1400 Israelis. But it was allowed to happen, as I suspect 9/11 was.

The author of that article would call it "Passive Facilitation".
63   Ceffer   2023 Oct 25, 1:41pm  

Just because you cite 22 examples does not mean you have real proof.
64   socal2   2023 Oct 25, 1:57pm  

Patrick says

I think this one is not exactly a false flag, in that Hamas really slaughtered 1400 Israelis. But it was allowed to happen


You really think they "allowed" the kidnapping of 200 Israelis to happen so the IDF's hands are tied while Biden, UN and the Red Cross demand a ceasefire to negotiate hostage releases?

Netanyahu will likely be ousted from power when this is all over.

Dumb conspiracy is dumb IMO.
65   Patrick   2023 Oct 27, 2:24pm  

https://newsparadigm.substack.com/p/gaza-is-a-huge-distraction-from-the





So Netanyahu had good reason to allow that hideous attack—to get Israelis to forget about the toll of “vaccination” and their anger over his attempt to seize control of Israel’s courts. Of course, such “wag the dog” manipulation has been used forever to get people to forget news inconvenient to the government—as (say) Ronald Reagan scored his smashing military triumph in Grenada, to “save the medical students” there (though they were in no danger), and thereby change the subject from the 241 Marines killed in Lebanon (where they’d been sent for no good reason); and as Bill Clinton bombed civilian neighborhoods in Belgrade, to halt what “our free press” portrayed as Serbian “genocide,” and thereby change the subject from the scandal over his dalliance with Monica Lewinsky.
67   RWSGFY   2023 Oct 29, 7:35pm  

If this is the "distraction" it's way worse than the thing it was supposed to distract from. Nobody really cares about "failed vaccine" all that much anyway, because people who took it are extremely invested in their "right" decision and woukd rather kill the messenger than admit they were taken for a ride. Thus I find the whole "distraction" theory extremely silly. Netanyahu is political dead man walking because of what happened on Oct 7.
68   Onvacation   2023 Oct 30, 7:58am  

RWSGFY says

Nobody really cares about "failed vaccine" all that much anyway

Really?

Nobody cares about the sudden death of so many young and healthy people?

Maybe it's just you that doesn't care.
69   NuttBoxer   2023 Oct 30, 9:23am  

Patrick says

Admittedly, it’s a bold, 9/11-level conspiracy theory, but so far it’s the only fact-based theory going.


Again the problem here is your source article list zero citations. That plus the fact that Netanyahu is former Mossad makes this incredibly unlikely.
70   Patrick   2023 Oct 30, 3:22pm  

https://alexberenson.substack.com/p/why-isnt-israel-more-focused-on-the


Why isn't Israel more focused on the Hamas leaders in Qatar?

Hamas committed crimes against humanity - not Jews, humanity - on Oct. 7. Why are its top officials living in luxury in Qatar's skyscrapers and villas?

Osama bin Laden was Saudi. Not Afghan.

But after bin Laden planned the Sept. 11 attacks from camps in Afghanistan, no one doubted the United States could demand Afghanistan’s Taliban government evict him - and attack Afghanistan if the Talibs refused.

The leaders of Hamas are Palestinian. Not Qatari.

Yet two weeks after a Hamas attack on Israel that in its barbarity dwarfed Sept. 11, they continue to live in luxury in Qatar, a tiny Persian Gulf city-state.

As it prepares to invade the Gaza Strip, home to the Hamas fighters who slaughtered over 1,400 Israeli civilians, Israel seems to have forgotten its claim on Qatar, home to the men behind that slaughter.

In a conflict that is both necessary and has no good answers, focusing pressure on Qatar and attacking Hamas’s leaders there directly may be Israel’s cleanest short-term play, giving it the best hope of holding the moral high ground.

(Why? And how might Israel handle Qatar? Answers below the paywall.)

(Welcome to Qatar, American servicemen and -ladies. You’ll enjoy the pleasant 130-degree desert heat, the camels, and the proximity to one of the world’s most vicious terrorist groups!)

Until now, Qatar was probably best known for hosting the 2022 World Cup and for being less cool than Dubai, its high-flying, model-hosting neighbor to the east.

A thumb-shaped peninsula 40 miles wide and 100 miles long, Qatar has 2.7 million residents, but only 315,000 citizens, about 1/25000th of the world’s population. It also has 11 percent of the world’s proven natural gas reserves, giving it hydrocarbons - and money - to burn.

Like Kuwait and other super-rich ministates of the Gulf, Qatar’s main preoccupation is its continued existence. For a generation, its leaders have walked a fine line, trying to convince its neighbors that it can play the role of a semi-honest broker in the Muslim world. Qatar is Sunni Muslim, but it works with Iran, which is Shia, as well as the Taliban in Afghanistan, who are hardline Sunni.

Qatar has also made itself a crucial ally to the American military by hosting a huge American air field, the Al Udeid Air Base. With over 11,000 airmen and soldiers, Al Udeid has become the largest United States military installation in the Middle East.

Amazingly, Qatar built its relationship with the United States even as it actively supported Hamas and other Islamist terror groups.

To some extent, Qatar has spent the last 20 years playing the same game Saudi Arabia once did. It funds terror groups (always outside its borders, of course) to keep its Muslim bonafides, while at the same time helping the United States knock them down.

The Saudis realized the limits of these schemes after Sept. 11, and Qatar’s support for radical Islam and its relationship with Iran grew to frustrate Saudi Arabia so deeply that in 2017 it blockaded Qatar. But the Saudis never invaded - how could they, given the huge American base 20 miles from central Doha? - and in 2021 they dropped the blockade.

But of all the games Qatar played, helping Hamas was in some ways the lowest risk.

Arab and Muslim countries have little choice but to support Palestinians against Israel. And under Benjamin “Bibi” Netanyahu, Israel itself allowed Qatar to funnel money to Hamas for most of the last decade.

Netanyahu knew that as long as Hamas - whose charter demands the destruction of Israel - controlled Gaza, Israel would not face serious pressure to make peace with Palestinians. His plan was to keep life in Gaza barely tolerable as Israel continued to prosper and moved settlers into the other Palestinian territories West Bank (and negotiate a broader peace with other Arab countries).

The slaughter of Oct. 7 - in which Hamas terrorists killed the equivalent of 50,000 Americans - has blown up Netanyahu’s cynical scheme. (I know some conservative and Israeli readers complain about this framing of the situation, but the truth is what it is.)

So, no, Israel can no longer live with Hamas. It must destroy the group, or die trying.

But as Israel tries, it must ensure that the world doesn’t entirely turn against it.

And it must at least give the civilians of Gaza a chance to leave Hamas behind. Not that they will, necessarily. They may hate Jews more than they love life. Then again, they may not.

Part of the answer to those puzzles lies in Qatar. Israel must keep the focus on the atrocities of Oct. 7, the atrocities that started this war, and on the men behind them.

It must demand that Qatar no longer harbor the leadership of Hamas - Ismail Haniyeh, the Hamas political chief, and the rest of the officials who, directly or indirectly, ordered the beheadings and ritual executions and slaughter of more than 1,000 people.

Haniyeh and the rest can take their chances in Gaza with the people they claim to represent. (Israel should even guarantee their safe passage.) They can turn themselves in and try the International Civilian Court. Or they can submit directly to Israeli justice, the way that Adolf Eichmann and other Nazis did in the decades after the Nuremberg courts closed.

Whatever choice they make, they’ll have more of a chance than the Jews their men slaughtered two weeks ago.

Bibi Netanyahu is in a bad position to make this demand. Doing so will throw the spotlight on the way he worked with Qatar to help Hamas. But he must, and if he will not, the Israeli government must find a leader who can.

Of course, Qatar will not agree to those conditions (though if the United States puts enough pressure on it, it might tell the Hamas leadership to head across the Gulf to Iran - a step that Haniyeh would surely prefer not to take as it would make Hamas even more dependent on Iran).

But simply by asking, Israel will put the spotlight on the atrocities, the men who ordered them, and the regimes that support those men. And it will also put Qatar on public notice that it intends to assassinate every leader of Hamas it can find, and that if Qatar will not evict them Qatar’s own civilians will be at risk.

Those actions wouldn’t be unethical, much less illegal. They are exactly the tack the United States took in Afghanistan 22 years ago.

Lie down with terrorists, wake up dead.


What the world needs is not more war, but attacks on the people at the very top who are arranging wars and terrorist attacks and mass injection campaigns.

I suspect they all have "gentelmen's agreements" to not whack each other.
71   Ceffer   2023 Oct 30, 11:22pm  

A flashing red light that MI6/Tavistock/RIIA Brits are purposely stoking the Uniside conflict. Is their spearhead servant state ripe for harvest?

https://t.me/BenjaminFulfordWDSGroup/120941
72   Ceffer   2023 Oct 30, 11:23pm  

Yeah, they are going to cave just because of that.

https://t.me/BenjaminFulfordWDSGroup/120943
73   Ceffer   2023 Oct 31, 1:15am  

Really, how many different ways can Bibi fuck the pooch? He refers to two other false flags? Is he broadcasting his own purposeful false flag as if everybody is completely gobsmacked idiot that previous notorious false flags were somehow real history?

https://t.me/davidavocadowolfe/111075

74   NuttBoxer   2023 Oct 31, 9:09am  

This is something I've worried about and seen getting progressively worse since the Scamdemic. People have invested so much of their personal worth in lies, that they are now progressively committing more and more to fictional realities, fragmenting the truth in such a way that they may struggle for years to come back from, if they ever do.

Literally creating their own Matrix/prison for their mind.
75   Tenpoundbass   2023 Oct 31, 9:28am  

As I suspected the Israel establishment which has been conspiring and stablng Bibi in the back at every turn. Was behind the intelligence lapse that allowed the attack, and why the security forces stood down, to allow Hamas to butcher the innocent civilians.
Bibi's response to Hamas must also equally address the rogue bad actors in his deep state, that is in lockstep with the NWO to thwart populist leaders, trying to end the Global cabal. If he does not then he is equally at fault and part of the problem. I think this was done so he would take the fall for it, and finally be expelled from power. If you remember he was persecuted and robbed of a previous election, and almost thrown in jail. The same playbook that persecuted Balsinario, Trump and several other populist leaders.

https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2023/10/netanyahu-sets-record-straight-accuses-top-generals-not/
76   Tenpoundbass   2023 Oct 31, 9:29am  

If I were Bibi, I would capture the Hamas leadership alive, and turn the screws on them to name some names.
77   NuttBoxer   2023 Oct 31, 12:30pm  

He's former Mossad, very unlikely conspiracy theory. Much more likely he's taking way more shit than he anticipated from this, and is attempting to spread the shit around.

And just so I understand you consider people who enforce Scamdemic's to be populists? See especially Israel where restrictions where way beyond most countries.
78   NuttBoxer   2023 Oct 31, 12:31pm  

Most plausible reason I've heard thus for for the 10/7 false flag, dumping more refugees on Western countries:

https://youtu.be/Ciqq-FTY_qU
80   Tenpoundbass   2023 Oct 31, 3:56pm  

NuttBoxer says

He's former Mossad, very unlikely conspiracy theory


Like we're finally seeing with Democrats. Ugly factions always rear their heads, and will do what ever it takes to get in power, and to get rid of those that threaten that. He's old guard, the new guard stands with the Pink Haired Woke Lilly Boy's nonsense. A little to squishy in the pants, I don't think Bibi had anything to do with the planning. But he like Trump are responsible for not weeding out their backstabbers.
Just look how immediately after the attack, there was talk of some Committee government that was going to take over the response. They were going to cover up their involvement. He must have put that to rest, you don't hear about it anymore.
81   Ceffer   2023 Oct 31, 4:02pm  

Yada, yada. They are all preaching the extermination of each other. Old Testament blather for the Uniside harvests.
84   RayAmerica   2023 Nov 1, 2:09pm  

America's 'closest ally' ...

Israel Told US ‘Mass Civilian Casualties’ Were Acceptable Price of Gaza Campaign

The Pentagon has said there are 'no limits' on how Israel uses its US-provided weapons despite the massive child death toll

Israel’s plans for mass slaughter in Gaza and the growing child death toll have not impacted US support. The Times report focused on how the Biden administration is paying lip service to the idea of limiting civilian casualties, but it acknowledged they’re not telling Israel what to do, only asking questions.

According to Gaza’s Health Ministry, at least 8,500 Palestinians have been killed in Gaza since Israel unleashed its bombing campaign after the October 7 Hamas attack. The total includes over 3,500 children.

More here: https://news.antiwar.com/2023/10/31/israel-told-us-mass-civilian-casualties-were-acceptable-price-of-gaza-campaign/
85   AmericanKulak   2023 Nov 1, 2:18pm  

RayAmerica says


The Pentagon has said there are 'no limits' on how Israel uses its US-provided weapons despite the massive child death toll

Don't vote for Islamists to run your country that you refuse to make a country, because then the billions in "Refugee" money turns off, even though you live in a CBS 8-story high rise one block from a multistory mall.

Losing wars of aggression has consequences.
86   socal2   2023 Nov 1, 2:32pm  

AmericanKulak says

Losing wars of aggression has consequences.


Yeah - that's the rule for everyone else.

But the Jew haters have special rules for Israel.
87   HeadSet   2023 Nov 1, 3:29pm  

Whatever side you think is right, this is an accurate depiction:


88   Reality   2023 Nov 1, 4:12pm  

socal2 says


Losing wars of aggression has consequences.

Yeah - that's the rule for everyone else.

But the Jew haters have special rules for Israel.


I'm pretty sure the Nazi German officers were hanged later for war crimes despite them hiring thugs pretending to be Poles invading Germany and destroying a radio station (i.e. false flag operation as Causus Belli, and it doesn't exculpate war crimes). They didn't even go so far as to killing Polish children en masse during the Polish campaign of 1939. More Nazi officers were hanged later for emptying the Warsaw Ghetto in 1943. For quite some time, the Nazis were very victorious; then it was their turn to be harvested.
89   NuttBoxer   2023 Nov 1, 6:07pm  

Tenpoundbass says

Like we're finally seeing with Democrats. Ugly factions always rear their heads, and will do what ever it takes to get in power, and to get rid of those that threaten that. He's old guard, the new guard stands with the Pink Haired Woke Lilly Boy's nonsense.


You're projecting an American mentality on people who have never, and will never be that way. As many people as they've fucked with in their region, they can't afford to. I'm really at a loss how you can be so far off base here.
90   Patrick   2023 Nov 2, 4:04pm  

https://transcriberb.dreamwidth.org/6167.html


Avital Livny Giving Evidence About Testimony Project In Israel To Grand Jury Day 6
February 26, 2022

https://rumble.com/vw0vo1-avital-livny-giving-evidence-about-testimony-project-in-israel-to-grand-jur.html
https://odysee.com/@GrandJury:f/Grand-Jury-Day-6-en-online:7

When the vaccinating— so-called vaccinating, sorry, that's the terminology that I'm using because I'm dealing with people that use it and I have to talk to them even though I don't think of it as vaccines anymore— but when it started in Israel, soon after, I think, two months or three months after, I already started hearing about people experiencing side effects, people that I know around me. The numbers went up as time went by. And I also started noticing people on FaceBook posting posts telling about what happened to them after getting the shots. And the dozens became hundreds, and yet in the Israeli media there was nothing. Everything is perfect, no side effects.

And also I noticed that whenever somebody posted a post telling about what he experienced, the side effects he experienced, he immediately got comments like "Fake News," "Lies of Unvaccinated People," "Anti-Vaxx People," and I knew right away that the only way to stop this, and to bring the truth out, is only with video testimonies because once you see the person's face, speaking from his heart about his tragedy, in your guts you know when it's not fake. You know.

But all the organizations that were involved at the time with the testimonies and with collecting the details and the data, when I contacted them they told me that it was impossible to get people to testify on camera since they were afraid. So I waited. I was hoping that somebody will do it. But eventually when I saw that the Israeli government is not stopping, that they're not going to investigate any of those reports and, on the contrary, they went full power ahead and started giving the shots to the 16 and 18 year-old teenagers, as a mother of two, I decided that I have to try and do it myself.

I went inside private groups on FaceBook of people who got injured from the vaccine, this was the title of the groups, and started going over, there were already thousands of testimonies there, posts, comments. I went over thousands of them and contacted hundreds of them though Messenger, introducing myself and telling them about the project that I was going to do. But almost all of them didn't want to do it, they were too afraid to come out with their stories.

And Ilana mentioned it before, you have to understand that the atmosphere in Israel since the so-called vaccination started is so violent, so toxic. A lot of hate, fear. Families are falling apart, getting divided between vaccinated and unvaccinated, and no wonder since, as Ilana told you our own prime minister, the incitement against the unvaccinated is unbelievable. And he was caught on camera saying, at the beginning of his being prime minister, he was saying that the unvaccinated people are like people going on the street with a machine gun spraying a deadly virus all over. And as she said, he was saying, when they started giving the shots to children in schools, "I want the parents of the vaccinated children to fight with the parents of the unvaccinated children."

So, no wonder people were afraid for their jobs, of what their colleagues and friends would say, and they didn't want to come out with their stories. So in order to give them a sense of confidence and safety, I gave them my word that I will not publish anything before I have at least 40 testimonies.

Three and half months later, the project was ready. It became a heartbreaking documentary of an hour and seven minutes. It was released five months ago, already translated to 15 different languages. Only in our website it was, it got more than 2 million views. And still, on the Israeli media, nothing. The majority of the Israeli people never heard of the testimonies project. You get the feeling that they want to shut it down, they want no one to know of the side effects.

As Ilana said, there was this post of the Israeli Minister of Health, they deleted thousands of comments of people saying what happened to them, instead of reaching out to them and checking the information.

Not a lot of people know but in Israel, there is no normal system, until not long ago, there was no normal effective system to collect data and reports of side effects, unlike the American VAERS [Vaccine Adverse Event Reporting System]. People who, most of the people don't even know that they should or are supposed to report. And the people from my project when they tried to send in a report they told me it was impossible At the time you had limitation of words, and you could only choose from several side effects. So if you had something different you couldn't put in the report. And the most important thing, no transparency. So you have no idea what happened to your report, you cannot see other reports and compare data. The whole idea of transparency in the American system, the VAERS, is that researchers, doctors, scientists, they can go inside the data, they can do their statistics and see if there are patterns. In some of the side effects indicate, that this is probably this is from the vaccination, from the shot. In Israel, we are the laboratory of the world but we don't have a system like that.

And in the American VAERS it's mostly doctors who send in the reports. In Israel, a woman in my project, her name is Esty, she got heart problems, she asked her doctor, "Are you going to report this?" he told her, "It's not my job to report. If you want, go ahead and report it." Most of the doctors are not willing even to write on the same page on the injury, where they're supposed to put the data, that that this person two days ago had also he got the Pfizer shot. They're not willing to write it down. So as I said, you have the feeling that they try to shut it down.

Avital Livny is the initiator of the Testimony Project, Israel
Watch: The Testimonies Project (Israel) https://www.vaxtestimonies.org/en/

Ilana Rachel Daniel, previous speaker, https://rappeh.org.il/en/biography-ilana-rachel-daniel/

VAERS is the Vaccine Adverse Event Reporting System https://vaers.hhs.gov/about.html
Note: https://openvaers.com/covid-data provides VAERS data in a more reader-friendly presentation.
92   PeopleUnited   2023 Nov 8, 4:20pm  

Palestinian terrorists in the Gaza Strip have fired more than 9,500 rockets at Israeli territory since Hamas launched its multi-pronged attack on the Jewish state one month ago, according to data published by the Israeli Foreign Ministry on Tuesday.

Jerusalem said the numbers are not final and are constantly being updated. Throughout Tuesday, multiple air-raid sirens were activated in central Israel and localities near the border with Gaza.

Some 1,400 people have been murdered in Israel since Oct. 7, while 7,198 more have been wounded.
https://www.israel365news.com/378657/israel-almost-10000-rockets-fired-from-gaza-since-oct-7/
93   NuttBoxer   2023 Nov 8, 7:09pm  

And on the other side, because people murdered, regardless of the location, matter right..? And terrorism, regardless of WHO initiates it, is still terrorism, right..?

6,500 Palestinian's, mostly women and children.
94   PeopleUnited   2023 Nov 8, 8:41pm  

Everyone was warned to evacuate northern Gaza. At this point those who didn’t are not innocent victims, but rather the ones who chose to stay with the terrorists.

I hope you never have to learn what it is like to live next door to terrorists with a well funded arsenal and years of indoctrination. So now you stand with Mohammedans? It’s the Jews fault that they were attacked? Well, we shall see when God hands down His verdict.

I’m not taking sides. But I know if the drug cartels lobbed 9500 rockets into Texas in the past month, we would begin to know how Israel feels.
96   Reality   2023 Nov 9, 5:01am  

PeopleUnited says


Everyone was warned to evacuate northern Gaza. At this point those who didn’t are not innocent victims, but rather the ones who chose to stay with the terrorists.


A pronouncement remarkably similar to what the original Nazis made as they started to clear out the Warsaw Ghetto.


I hope you never have to learn what it is like to live next door to terrorists with a well funded arsenal and years of indoctrination.


Do you live in the US? Are you living close to DC or NYC? If you are, then you are living next door to terrorists according to much of the rest of the world; if you are living far away from DC or NYC, then you are living close to (domestic) terrorists according to those in DC (and NYC ad agencies / media). Pick your poison.


So now you stand with Mohammedans? It’s the Jews fault that they were attacked? Well, we shall see when God hands down His verdict.


What do you have against Mohammed the Jew? (or at least a scholar in Judaism if not a bunch of Jewish scholars who wrote Koran using that pen name). Why do you think descendants of Jews in the middle east who converted to Islam (a version of Judaism designed to make the sand people submissive) deserve to be exterminated by Europeans and descendants of Asiatic Steppes people who converted to the original version of Judaism? If you are in full support of the project of having 3% Semites (Jews) ruling over 97% Semites (Arabs) between the Nile and the Euphrates (the original "promised land"), are you also in support of the analogous implementation of having 3% (Jews) ruling over 97% (Gentiles) in the US? Do you actually believe such a project would be beneficial to the overwhelming majority of the 3%? Instead of leading up to a massive backlash? Just like what happened numerous times previously in human history.

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