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That map acts like there were Palestinians living all over "Palestinian Land" marked green. Where are all the Arab cities and infrastructure (let alone archeological evidence) to make that claim?

Too bad the Muslim fanatics refused the original UN partition plan and decided to start (and lose) a bunch of wars of extermination and lost more land as a result.

Here’s another map using different dates.
Doesn’t seem like Israel is expanding much lately…

socal2 says

That map acts like there were Palestinians living all over "Palestinian Land" marked green. Where are all the Arab cities and infrastructure (let alone archeological evidence) to make that claim?

Too bad the Muslim fanatics refused the original UN partition plan and decided to start (and lose) a bunch of wars of extermination and lost more land as a result.

This is exactly why I asked the questions. The Palestinians were Bedouins, correct? Not that that really matters imo. If their Bedouin culture/society(?) owned those lands, than they owned those lands? Acutally, is Israel taking over Palestine(?) any different than the current population of Australia pushing out the Aborigines? Ok, so thinking out loud here, this is no different that what happened to the American Indians EXCEPT we are at a different time in history?

Here is a map showing Israel in relation to the rest of the "Muslim World".

So much Zionist colonialism!

Muslims pretty much wiped out all ancient Jewish, Christian, Hindu and Baha'i communities in the last 100 years. Muslim and Leftist fanatics are pissed they haven't finished with Israel yet.

@GNL

A lot of Palestinians just stayed, and are about 21% of the population of Israel proper today.

https://www.pbs.org/newshour/world/in-israels-call-for-mass-evacuation-palestinians-hear-echoes-of-their-original-catastrophic-exodus

JERUSALEM (AP) — In Israel’s call for the evacuation of half of Gaza’s population, many Palestinians fear a repeat of the most traumatic event in their tortured history, their mass exodus from what is now Israel during the 1948 war surrounding its creation.

Palestinians refer to it as the Nakba, or “catastrophe.” An estimated 700,000 Palestinians, a majority of the prewar population, fled or were expelled from what is now Israel in the months before and during the war, in which Jewish fighters fended off an attack by several Arab states.

The Palestinians packed their belongings, piling into cars, trucks and donkey carts. Many locked their doors and took their keys with them, expecting to return when the war ended.

Seventy-five years later, they have not been allowed back. Emptied towns were renamed, villages were demolished, homes reclaimed by forests in Israeli nature reserves.

Israel refused to allow the Palestinians to return, because it would threaten the Jewish majority within the country’s borders. So the refugees and their descendants, who now number nearly 6 million, settled in camps in the West Bank, Lebanon, Syria and Jordan. Those camps eventually grew into built-up neighborhoods.

In Gaza, the vast majority of the population are Palestinian refugees, many of whose relatives fled from the same areas that Hamas attacked last weekend.

The Palestinians insist they have the right to return, something Israel still adamantly rejects. Their fate was among the thorniest issues in the peace process, which ground to a halt more than a decade ago.

Should the Palestinians simply accept that they lost their land and become part of another culture/country? Who will take them in? They're the black sheep of the world?

The Jews / Hebrews / Israelites belive that God has ordained they reside in the area that was the known as Cannan, The Promised Land, a land "flowing with Milk and Honey". An oasis in an otherwise barren landscape. Problem is... people already live there. It was the same in Joshua's time when he conquered Jericho.

If not for the Holocaust, the modern day nation of Israel probably would not have been created. The diaspora wanted to return to their ancestral homeland irrespective of who was already living there. So they kicked the Palestinians to the curb.

4000 years ago it was easy to simply annihilate the "heathens". But today's Arabs (who inhabited the area prior to the return of the Jews) tens to be Arab and Arab tend to be Muslim. Religious tensions add fuel to the fire.

What (some) people miss is that Jews, Muslims and Christians all have roots to Abraham and are effectively "cousins" in faith. They all believe in the same God. It's sibling rivalry at its worst. Everyone fighting over the same patch of land.

It's like a wrestling match over the wishbone at Thanksgiving dinner.

In the words of Rodney King "Why can't we all get along?"

The Jews seem to be the winiest and most coniving sibling.

socal2 says

Where are all the Arab cities and infrastructure (let alone archeological evidence) to make that claim?

Here's a very small list of cities that were populated by Palestinian Arabs (most of them were majority arabic before 1948). Some of them are still mainly Arab, but many of them have been "depopulated" of their original inhabitants:
Jerusalem, Haifa, Hebron, Jenin, Jericho, an-Nāṣira (Nazareth), Tel es Sebah (renamed to Be'er Sheva), Nablus, Ramalla, Aqaba/Eilat, Al Majdal (renamed Ashkelon), Ishdud (renamed Ashdod), Jaffa (renamed Yafo, now part of Tel-Aviv Yafo metropolis), Wadi al-Faliq (destroyed in 1948, later established as Netanya)...

Look, I don't have a dog in this fight - I am neither arab nor a jew and I have no idea what the solution to this is. But history is not on the side of your argument that Palestinians were not inhabiting this land. A huge part of the area is an arid desert, especially in the south, but there are natives who have lived there for centuries as the land changed hands between the Persians, Akkadians, Hashemites, Ottomans and Arabs. When the British divided Palestine to create the state of Israel, millions of Palestinians were expelled from these areas into neighboring countries or refugee camps. It's a huge mess, with horrific injustices on both sides - but claiming that the Palies never lived there is not a viable argument.

> Israel actually removed Palestinians from these white colored areas? How did they remove them? They sent letters with deadlines of when they had to move or...? Or did Israel just claim unimproved vacant land? Or?

Assuming this is a sincere question motivated by a genuine interest in understanding history, this link might help.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nakba

apex says

> Israel actually removed Palestinians from these white colored areas? How did they remove them? They sent letters with deadlines of when they had to move or...? Or did Israel just claim unimproved vacant land? Or?

Assuming this is a sincere question motivated by a genuine interest in understanding history, this link might help.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nakba

Yes, these are sincere questions. Thank you.

GreaterNYCDude says

If not for the Holocaust, the modern day nation of Israel probably would not have been created. The diaspora wanted to return to their ancestral homeland irrespective of who was already living there. So they kicked the Palestinians to the curb.

Why did the Jews abandon the area in the first place? Seems to me if you abandon a place, it's no longer yours to claim? Am I misunderstanding?

GNL says

Why did the Jews abandon the area in the first place?

They had a dispute with the Roman occupiers and those that weren't killed were given the boot. Thus begins Rabbinic Judaism.

apex says

Here's a very small list of cities that were populated by Palestinian Arabs (most of them were majority arabic before 1948). Some of them are still mainly Arab, but many of them have been "depopulated" of their original inhabitants:
Jerusalem, Haifa, Hebron, Jenin, Jericho, an-Nāṣira (Nazareth), Tel es Sebah (renamed to Be'er Sheva), Nablus, Ramalla, Aqaba/Eilat, Al Majdal (renamed Ashkelon), Ishdud (renamed Ashdod), Jaffa (renamed Yafo, now part of Tel-Aviv Yafo metropolis), Wadi al-Faliq (destroyed in 1948, later established as Netanya)...

Virtually all those cities are in the green area (West Bank and Gaza) that would have been Palestine's with the original 1947 partition plan. I am disputing that Arabs were living all over current Israel.

Too bad the Muslim/Arab world chose genocidal war instead of compromising.

EBGuy says

They had a dispute with the Roman occupiers and those that weren't killed were given the boot. Thus begins Rabbinic Judaism.

Then Islam was created by pedophile Mohammed and they preceded to spread Islam by the sword and "colonized" modern day Israel.

In the last 100 years, Islam has successfully ethnically cleansed virtually every last Jew, Christian, Hindu, Animist, Baha'i from the Middle East.

Yet Leftist and Islamist morons keep claiming Israel is the "colonizer".

I don’t often agree with socal2.... but when I do it’s because he said something right.

But he did leave out the fact that Islam (Mohammed) was trained by Catholic priests to create his religion.

Here is a poor source for that but there are others if you take the time to do your own research https://christianitybeliefs.org/islam-in-bible-prophecy/why-islam-was-created/

GNL says

This is exactly why I asked the questions. The Palestinians were Bedouins, correct? Not that that really matters imo. If their Bedouin culture/society(?) owned those lands, than they owned those lands? Acutally, is Israel taking over Palestine(?) any different than the current population of Australia pushing out the Aborigines? Ok, so thinking out loud here, this is no different that what happened to the American Indians EXCEPT we are at a different time in history?

Palestinians are NOT Bedouins; they loathe Bedouins. Palestinians are Bosniaks, Turkmen, and other groups brought into Palestine in an attempt to halt the depopulation of the region by the Ottoman Turks. The tiny population that remained were Fellahin Sharecroppers working for absentee landlords in Cairo and Damascus and Beirut, like Yassir Arafat's Mother (he was born in Cairo) and a few more that came AFTER the Jewish migrants started land draining and clearing and opening up small scale workshops.

Bedouins roamed freely between Saudi Arabia, Jordan, Negev/Judah, and Sinai without regard to national boundaries.

The 3rd Battalion commander ever in IDF history was a Bedouin Muslim Arab named "The Almond", because Bedouin Real Arab Camel-riding, Goat-herding nomads hate the sharecropping unctuous Fellahin and their Milita-organizing against them Landlords and vice-versa. Fellahin hate the Bedouin because they're free and don't hold to strict Islamic Schools with their beliefs in Genies and such (think Voodoo vs. Trad Catholicism)

Here is the Bedouin Colonel:
https://www.timesofisrael.com/idf-to-promote-first-colonel-from-bedouin-community/

Thousands of Muslim Bedouins have always fought in the IDF and hundreds in Haganah before Israel was a State:
https://www.thehindu.com/opinion/op-ed/Bedouin-who-serve-in-Israelrsquos-army/article16887904.ece

If you believed every Palestinians' bullshit story about actually owning (instead of sharecropping) their own 50 acre Olive Grove, all of Israel including the Negev would be 5 layers deep in Olives.

EVERY account of the late 19th Century Ottoman Sanjak of Jersualem, Akko, Nablus, etc. is one of a forlorn and depopulated land.

Just like the maximum population of Pre-Columbus Indians in North America was a few million and after the waves of smallpox, chickenpox, etc. a max population of 2M after 1650 - the entirety of the continent north of the Rio Grande - it's a Post Modern Fanon Cult bullshit story about how the place was packed with natives. In reality, the natives were marginal in a marginal land until Westernized people greatly improved it.

https://twitter.com/DrEliDavid/status/1716910664156094814

The only problem with this map is that it neglects that Jordan was created by Britain from 70% of the Mandate in 1922.

AmericanKulak says

Palestinians are NOT Bedouins; they loathe Bedouins. Palestinians are Bosniaks, Turkmen, and other groups brought into Palestine in an attempt to halt the depopulation of the region by the Ottoman Turks.

Thank you for the correction. I assumed that is why 1. That area was chosen for the Jews and 2. It was so easy to for Israel to expan. I made an assumption.