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RWSGFY says

GNL says

I only have one gun out and ready to go. It's high up in the walk in closet. I can rack it quick with this...



Mount it under a shelf. It is magnetic and the gun will stick right to it. Rack with a one-handed push and it's ready to fire. Mount it high enough that a child cannot reach it. Maybe even better yet, mount it right above the front door? :)

Why racking is necessary? Why add complexity?

children lack strength to rack usually

GNL says

If an AR-15 is all you got, then yes, it is a home defense gun.

Not a good one. Priority should be home defense before country defense.

Bd6r says

Kinda expensive but seems nice…anyone here has shot this?

9 doesn't have the stopping power. The only reason I still like my 9 is everyone in my house old enough can shoot it. My daughter was able to rack it when she was 11.

The FBI did an extensive carry caliber study some years ago. They went with 9mm. My calibers are, for reasons of course, 22LR, 9mm, 12ga, 5.56 and 300WIN. I don't have a need for anything else.

NuttBoxer says

9 doesn't have the stopping power.

Hollow point will have sufficient stopping power. 12 gauge will definitely have a better stopping power, but a womyn or a child will have trouble with recoil.
GNL says

The FBI did an extensive carry caliber study some years ago. They went with 9mm. My calibers are, for reasons of course, 22LR, 9mm, 12ga, 5.56 and 300WIN. I don't have a need for anything else.

I have 22LR, 22 short (for quiet fun), 9 mm, 12 ga, 30-30 win for a lever gun (fun to shoot!), and 308 Win.
And since I like old things, I have a Swedish mauser which shoots 6.5x55 - the best engineered gun and cartridge ever.

Bd6r says

[9mm] Hollow point will have sufficient stopping power. 12 gauge will definitely have a better stopping power, but a womyn or a child will have trouble with recoil.

For handguns, hollow point greatly improves stopping power against unarmored targets. Bullet breakup hopefully means you'll penetrate fewer walls consecutively — you're neighbors will appreciate that.

12 gauge gives you a whole lot of ammunition options. You could try "low recoil" configurations of #4 buck or #00 buck. Proper placement of the gun stock against the shoulder and experience also help greatly. Some people move to twenty gauge for reduced recoil, but recoil is mostly a feature of the load, not the gauge. Semiautomatic helps spread out the recoil over time, but then you lose the cost/simplicity/reliability of a slide action.

FortwayeAsFuckJoeBiden says

RWSGFY says

GNL says

I only have one gun out and ready to go. It's high up in the walk in closet. I can rack it quick with this...



Mount it under a shelf. It is magnetic and the gun will stick right to it. Rack with a one-handed push and it's ready to fire. Mount it high enough that a child cannot reach it. Maybe even better yet, mount it right above the front door? :)

Why racking is necessary? Why add complexity?

children lack strength to rack usually

... until they find a way... oops!

Definitely need to be careful javing guns in a house around kids. They are damn curious. Mine are in the master bedroom in the closet. I have a lock on the closet and kids are never allowed in the bedroom without an adult present.

I have a pistol grip on my Mossberg. Stupid barrel laws means that's my only way of increasing maneuverability inside my house.

My four year old can't rack any of the guns in the house. Once she gets old enough to do that, she'll be taught how to shoot just like my older daughters. My teenager knows where all my guns are, and how to use them.

Guns are hard or impossible to cock or fire with little toddler hands when held properly. They are much easier to cock when held in some creative ways which often include pointing the muzzle right into one's face. But hey, everybody makes his own bed to sleep in.

Best to keep a readily available gun, for defense purposes, up high with an empty chamber imo. Yes, teach your kids about guns at the appropriate age.

NuttBoxer says

I have a pistol grip on my Mossberg. Stupid barrel laws means that's my only way of increasing maneuverability inside my house.

It might be better to use a revolver that fires 20 guage shells instead? I think there's a maker for one. I know someone makes a Derringer that does but, imo, 2 shells aren't enough.

NuttBoxer says

I have a pistol grip on my Mossberg.

Have you shot it? I suspect it is inconvenient.

Bd6r says

NuttBoxer says

I have a pistol grip on my Mossberg.

Have you shot it? I suspect it is inconvenient.

Some videos on the YouTubes address having a pistol grip on a shotgun. The general consensus is that there's not much advantage and some distinct downsides. You can still shoot from the hip with a full-sized stock, but you can't take carefully-aimed shoulder shots with a pistol grip.

GNL says

It might be better to use a revolver that fires 20 gauge shells instead? I think there's a maker for one. I know someone makes a Derringer that does but, imo, 2 shells aren't enough.

You might be thinking of shotgun gauge 410 (which uses a different measuring system than the standard "gauge" designation). The shells are underpowered for hitting big game (or people). By the time you get 9 or more pellets, you're in birdshot range. Handguns chambered in 45 Long Colt can accept these shells. But for self-defense, you'll want the use 45 instead, which basically gives you the power of a slug. See https://www.outdoorlife.com/guns/best-410-handguns/ .

20-gauge with buckshot is definitely effective, but I can't imagine trying to handle the recoil in a handgun.

GNL says

It might be better to use a revolver that fires 20 guage shells instead? I think there's a maker for one. I know someone makes a Derringer that does but, imo, 2 shells aren't enough.

There's a revolver called The Judge, don't remember the gauge. Used to be carried by judges under their robe.

SunnyvaleCA says

Some videos on the YouTubes address having a pistol grip on a shotgun. The general consensus is that there's not much advantage and some distinct downsides. You can still shoot from the hip with a full-sized stock, but you can't take carefully-aimed shoulder shots with a pistol grip.

It's a shotgun, doesn't require much accuracy at the range you shoot from indoors. But most times the sound of the slide should be all you need.

SunnyvaleCA says

GNL says

It might be better to use a revolver that fires 20 gauge shells instead? I think there's a maker for one. I know someone makes a Derringer that does but, imo, 2 shells aren't enough.

You might be thinking of shotgun gauge 410 (which uses a different measuring system than the standard "gauge" designation). The shells are underpowered for hitting big game (or people). By the time you get 9 or more pellets, you're in birdshot range. Handguns chambered in 45 Long Colt can accept these shells. But for self-defense, you'll want the use 45 instead, which basically gives you the power of a slug. See https://www.outdoorlife.com/guns/best-410-handguns/ .

20-gauge with buckshot is definitely effective, but I can't imagine trying to handle the recoil in a handgun.

Yes, thanks for the correction. You're saying 410 won't deter an intruder?

GNL says

Definitely need to be careful javing guns in a house around kids. They are damn curious. Mine are in the master bedroom in the closet. I have a lock on the closet and kids are never allowed in the bedroom without an adult present.

i taught mine just how to use them, so i didn’t have to worry about curiosity. they pretty much ignore them unless we go to hunt or shoot. this strategy worked well, i recommend it.

GNL says

Yes, thanks for the correction. You're saying 410 won't deter an intruder?

410 for home defense with meat target (layer of pork muscle/skin "steak", layer of pork ribs, then grapefruit to simulate lung/heart tissue, all under leather jacket with cotton lining)
https://youtu.be/BQD77feU-rY?si=f1Ply73HBHjRvnI8&t=683

#6 lead birdshot from a 410 at 5yds is at 14:17 in the above video.

Paul Harrel has a video on #4 birdshot from a 20ga
https://youtu.be/HF5N5tfMuX4?si=c2gzEYJv20nZlt0C&t=474

Here's why birdshot is not crazy for home defense - Drywall and Sheetrock:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zaR1EVybUgc

Hornady Critical Defense (with slug and buckshot) sucks:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=suhpsBnkhBY

I have a Bond Arms .45LC/410ga myself.

AmericanKulak says

410 for home defense with meat target (layer of pork muscle/skin "steak", layer of pork ribs, then grapefruit to simulate lung/heart tissue, all under leather jacket with cotton lining)
https://youtu.be/BQD77feU-rY?si=f1Ply73HBHjRvnI8&t=683

Comment from video...

"I’m a 73 yr. old Nam vet. I preferred the 410 for home defense because at my age a 12 gauge is just too big and unwieldy for my purposes. Also the low recoil of a 410 is easier on my arthritic wrists and I use the Winchester defender rounds in it with four discs and sixteen BB’s. And if those don’t take the target out in an average sized room nothing will. Great video by the way and thanks for the info."

Btw, love Paul Harrell.

GNL says

Definitely need to be careful javing guns in a house around kids. They are damn curious. Mine are in the master bedroom in the closet. I have a lock on the closet and kids are never allowed in the bedroom without an adult present.

When I was in the 5th grade a kid from my soccer team, Johnny, went into his dad's closet to get a rag to clean with and found a gun. He thought it was unloaded and went into his 3rd grade brother's room, Philip, and blew him away. Philip did live long enough to let others know it was an accident.

Johnny just sat on a park bend in Vacaville's North Orchard Park by himself a lot after that but that's the last I know of him as we'd moved to Texas from CA recently and I actually learned about it from a letter my pal wrote me in pencil. I think I still have it around somewhere. Guy who wrote the letter soon after became schizophrenic along with is older brother.

Messed up small town for sure. So many stories from that place.

Even a 22LR may ward off an intruder as they are looking for unarmed victims or a home that is not occupied. One shot from a 22LR may be enough.

Heritage Firearms (I think made in Miami, FL) makes a 22LR revolver for around $125 and it is loud when fired off. 22LR does come in hollow point on Ammo Seek website.

Look at how the Rooftop Koreans were able to protect property and lives without killing anyone in the LA Riots of the early 1990s.

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GNL says

Btw, love Paul Harrell.

I was going to say I do too, Paul is a hoot!

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22LR does come in hollow point on Ammo Seek website.

22 LR hollow point does not expand well in my experience. But for shooting an intruder 22LR is perfectly fine, of course.

I've been building a boogie sig p365. Internals are sig but lower is Icarus Precision and slide is Shalotek. Just got back from Maui and am about to complete it with a red dot and stock sights for co-witness...



Will be for carrying...

Considering replacing the spring in my slide for magGuts for an extra 2 rounds.

I copied and pasted over most of the serial number but you can still see a bit of gold where it's printed.

Racks so much easier than my glock 17. You barely pull it maybe 1/2 inch and it loads a round.

Does anyone know the law regarding making a safety inoperable? For instance, if a handgun has a grip safety, is it illegal to tape the safety tight to the grip as if it is being palm depressed?

GNL says

Does anyone know the law regarding making a safety inoperable? For instance, if a handgun has a grip safety, is it illegal to tape the safety tight to the grip as if it is being palm depressed?

It's your gun - you can do whatever you like with it as long as it doesn't turn into something more strictly regulated - MG, SBR, etc. I'm not aware of any laws prohibiting safety removal. Hey, some guns don't have any safeties at all.

RWSGFY says

It's your gun - you can do whatever you like with it as long as it doesn't turn into something more strictly regulated - MG, SBR, etc. I'm not aware of any laws prohibiting safety removal. Hey, some guns don't have any safeties at all.

Correct. No safety on that gun above I'm putting together but if I'd wanted one that's an option.

Nice gun but too small for my hands. I bought a Ruger EC9s on a whim when I saw it online for $239. Too small but very concealable.

For me, I like the M&P 9mms.

That's why I replaced the lower because my hands are too big for a p365. I'm probably into that thing $1,400 by now though. Lower is aluminum and that gas pedal will be nice I think. Can't say for sure because I haven't shot it yet.

It's a better fit than my glock 17....

just_passing_through says

I'm probably into that thing $1,400 by now though.

Well, when you're a rich guy. :)

GNL says

Nice gun but too small for my hands. I bought a Ruger EC9s on a whim when I saw it online for $239. Too small but very concealable.

For me, I like the M&P 9mms.

I bought CZ 75 P01 after @clambo praised its virtues. I am not disappointed.

Bd6r says

GNL says

Nice gun but too small for my hands. I bought a Ruger EC9s on a whim when I saw it online for $239. Too small but very concealable.

For me, I like the M&P 9mms.

I bought CZ 75 P01 after clambo praised its virtues. I am not disappointed.

That's hammer fired, correct? I like striker fired. Lots of great guns out there though.

GNL says

Yes, thanks for the correction. You're saying 410 won't deter an intruder?

410 will drop someone at close range just fine from a pistol, assuming 00 or 000 shot. A long gun should get you more velocity and less recoil, though, so I'd prefer the long gun if I had a choice. Then, if I do have a long gun, I'd prefer a 12- or 20-gauge over 410; choose a lower-powered round if you want less recoil. Also, #4 buck or BB size shot will be safer for neighbors 50+ yards away while still being devastating a in-house range in the larger chambered rounds.

GNL says

Well, when you're a rich guy. :)

Not really. I just splurged on that and my fish tank. My car is 21.5 year old and the window literally fell out when I was driving a few weeks ago!

Anyone have an opinion of a Mossberg 590A1?

I'm considering that one because it has a metal trigger guard (non-metal are known to break too soon) then replacing the barrel from a regular 590 because I don't need one so thick (and heavy) that will be fine with a tank rolling over it.

Then getting a 3rd barrel long enough to bird hunt with that has a choke. This is to cheap out about buying a regular hunting shotgun and a home safety device.

Probably just have a bead on it too but I don't think they come that way. I've never used ring sights before but those online seem to come with them. They don't look appealing.

Reviving @GNL thread: saw yesterday that ammoseek has 22LR ammo for 2.7 cents/round! All ammo prices except 7.62x39 which is heavily used in Ukraine are coming down. Good omen for Trump reelection?

Yeah, powder for reloads was in crazy short supply thanks to the Ukey kerfluffle. Things are finally starting to loosen up, but at prices that are 2X what they were before 2019.