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DemoralizerOfPanicans says

No. 16 is the age of consent and prostitutes that age have routinely been charged until 3rd wave feminism.

It's 18 for this case:

In Florida, the age of consent is 18 years old. This means that individuals under 18 are generally deemed incapable of giving valid consent to sexual activities.

However, there is a close-in-age exemption, also known as the "Romeo and Juliet law," which allows minors aged 16 or 17 to engage in sexual intercourse with a partner no older than 23.

But Epstein and all his clients were in their 50's at least.

DemoralizerOfPanicans says

"Poor Girls" my ass. Palm Beach has plenty of Middle/Upper class people.

Yes, Palm Beach does have rich people, but almost all the girls were from high schools in poorer neighborhoods about 5 miles west of Palm Beach.

DemoralizerOfPanicans says

This whole thing is mostly an op.

I'm 110% certain it's not an op. The more I read the more obvious it is that Epstein was personally the very center of corruption in America. Massive tax evasion via Epstein most of all.

DemoralizerOfPanicans says

Desperate Dems and the Koch Bros Right are working together because they get traction to divide the right on this issue

Maybe so, but it's going to take big Dems down too, especially Bills Clinton and Gates.

Patrick says

Maybe so, but it's going to take big Dems down too, especially Bills Clinton and Gates.

The Gates Family didn't donate to Massie to incriminate themselves

What's great about it is that it's unfalsifiable. No videos? They're hiding the videos! No List? They destroyed the list!

DemoralizerOfPanicans says

There's no Trump or Dersh connection, but they hopefully can smear some donors.

You want Tariffs, Border Security, and MAGA, or do you want Free Trade, Mass Migration, and a few Middle Aged Skanks getting a payday for being skanks who recruited other skanks in their teens?

How can you say there's no Trump or Dershowitz connection when they were literally his closest friends?

Trump had the good sense to dump Epstein when it became too obvious what Epstein was up to with the girls, and I'd bet Trump never slept with any, but I'm not so sure he didn't take advantage of Epstein's "financial advice".

Now that I read more, I'm pretty sure Dershowitz was not quite as smart as Trump about it.

I want it all: tariffs, deportations, peace in Ukraine, AND the prosecution of all the criminal activity facilitated by Epstein.

It wasn't just a few girls, it was hundreds at least, and:

2006 Grand Jury Transcripts: Released in 2024, these transcripts confirmed Epstein raped girls as young as 14, with testimony indicating that the majority of victims recruited for “massages” were high school students (typically 14–17).

Patrick says

How can you say there's no Trump or Dershowitz connection when they were literally his closest friends?

Trump was not a close friend of Epstein and banned him from the Mar-A-Lago before he was ever arrested, for perving on Guests.

Dersh was Epstein's lawyer.

DemoralizerOfPanicans says

That Giuffre police report, people should read it.

Legally irrelevant. Still statutory rape and trafficking.

Patrick says

Legally irrelevant. Still statutory rape and trafficking.

She was smoking weed and playing around with teenage dudes in a car. She blamed them for taking advantage of her. I guarantee she invited herself to go along with them. The police weren't buying her victim story. Her mom blamed demons.

Doesn't explain how she ended up with Eppinger, a "Perfect 10" escort model agency organizer and lived with him for months, again before she ever knew Epstein or Maxwell.

Why did her lawyers never call her to the stand, in all her cases?

DemoralizerOfPanicans says

Trump was not a close friend of Epstein and banned him from the Mar-A-Lago before he was ever arrested, for perving on Guests.

Dersh was Epstein's lawyer.

Trump and Epstein were very close for at least 15 years before Trump figured things out.

Some reasons for the split:
- Trump visiting Epstein's place in Palm Beach and noticing all the underage girls at his pool.
- Ghislaine recruiting Virginia Giuffre from her job as coat check girl at Mar-a-Lago.
- Trump and Epstein both trying to buy "Maison de l’Amitie" in Palm Beach, bidding against each other. (ironic name now that I think about it)

Dersh was indeed Epstein's lawyer and knew all the details when getting Epstein that ridiculously light first sentence in optional-attendance "prison".

Grok:

Giuffre did not testify in person in her civil lawsuits against Prince Andrew or Alan Dershowitz because both cases were settled out of court before reaching trial.

Prosecutors likely chose not to call Giuffre to keep the case focused and avoid complications from her broader allegations. Giuffre’s claims involved high-profile figures like Prince Andrew, Alan Dershowitz, and others, spanning multiple jurisdictions (Florida, New York, London, the U.S. Virgin Islands). Including her testimony could have introduced complex narratives, additional actors, and international elements, potentially muddying the prosecution’s narrative against Maxwell.

I bet they didn't want her naming names and explicit activities of anyone but Maxwell. Maxwell became the scapegoat for all of it, though she is definitely guilty as well.

DemoralizerOfPanicans says

What's great about it is that it's unfalsifiable.

The FBI could release all the evidence that they have, but they refuse to.

This is why Bongino quit, imho. They got him back, but pretty sure he's disgusted with the ongoing coverup.

Patrick says

Dersh was indeed Epstein's lawyer and knew all the details when getting Epstein that ridiculously light first sentence in optional-attendance "prison".

Dersh has said Epstein had various VIPs at his Island and handled their wealth. However, he also said no evidence he saw indicated anything illegal happened (and as the lawyer he could see all the evidence), but it was embarrassing. I have a feeling VIPs took their male and female lovers ("Secretaries" "Personal Assistants" "Marketing Directors") to the Island and Townhouse, where they are on video, something their colleagues and wives and co-investors (due to their bad judgement and vulnerability to blackmail) would not appreciate.

Trump's ban on Epstein were due to reports from managers and employees about guests/workers being harassed by Epstein.

Giuffre got the job in the locker room (not as a masseuse) from her Father who was employed there.

Giuffre was almost certainly trading favors for money, since she held other jobs (CCI, Mannino's, etc.) simultaneously.

Heh, I wonder if my Grandma was ever served by Giuffre, she loved Mannino's.

I think the sex things were mostly at Palm Beach and the tax evasion things were at the Island, because it's in the US Virgin Islands and Epstein had the ability to "fix" financial records there, since the officials in USVI were easy to bribe and regulation is lax.

Patrick says

The FBI could release all the evidence that they have, but they refuse to.

Only if it's criminal wrongdoing. If it's banging their secretary or 'social media manager' they brought with them instead of their wife, no.

If a big GOP donor was taking some adult office assistant of his to bang on Lolita Island, that's nobody's business. Not illegal.

Wasn't the lawyer for the victim's mother the one that was promising big bucks for women to come forward to accuse Trump of assaulting them in the 2016 election?

It's been what ???? 30-40 years now. If the victims' lawyer didn't have the girls write down the perps' names yet, I mean WTF ???

Basically, we cannot trust any "List" the 'victims' come up with this far out.

They've already been paid $121 million to about 150 claimants

Misc says

It's been what ???? 30-40 years now. If the victims' lawyer didn't have the girls write down the perps' names yet, I mean WTF ???

Basically, we cannot trust any "List" the 'victims' come up with this far out.

Bingo. I won't write a novel this time, self explanatory.

If this shit is basically nothingburger why did Trump ran so heavily on it? Did he fell again into "fuck research and expersts, lets go all in on feelz"? A fucking pattern is fucking emerging.

Epstein-Trump is the new Russia, Russia, Russia

But during an NBC panel discussion with a group of survivors on Tuesday, none of the women said they ever saw or heard of Trump doing anything inappropriate relating to Epstein.
...
"It's shameful this has been called a hoax. This is not a hoax," Massie said. "There are real victims to this criminal enterprise and the perpetrators are being protected because they are rich and powerful."

https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/c5yvpgyjed8o

It's a hoax. The Massie mentioned Epstein in Early 2024 - when DeSantis was in the Primary. And he's banging Pushaw and beholden to Club For Growth and Koch Bros. Exec donors that hate tariffs and illegal employment enforcement

Misc says

Wasn't the lawyer for the victim's mother the one that was promising big bucks for women to come forward to accuse Trump of assaulting them in the 2016 election?

David Boies is deeply involved as a Democrat Lawfare Attack Dog, going back to the Gore-Bush election controversy.

They want a list of unredacted names as plausible cover for accusing whomever is there. It's a money grab:

"Release the names, so we know who we can sue, then make money when they settled out of court to spare themselves a huge legal bill and their name constantly in the press during the process, and finally smear by association anybody listed that is/was a GOP/Trump donor"

If those listed aren't criminal suspects, their names SHOULD be withheld.

RWSGFY says

If this shit is basically nothingburger why did Trump ran so heavily on it? Did he fell again into "fuck research and expersts, lets go all in on feelz"? A fucking pattern is fucking emerging.

I don't know why he ran on it. Trump didn't like him with obvious evidence kicking him out of Mar A Lago. I just don't think he had evidence from the FBI at the time. Epstein died or whatever in 2019. Covid hit. Epstein was the least of his worries. 2024-2028 term might be different, but the issue might be number 25 on a big lists of goals.

Other fact is women tend to keep quiet with sexual encounters. But this is a huge news story. It is unlikely they were violently raped. The victims would be coming out of the wood work. They're not. It was likely semi consensual. What do you think the payday would be for a victim to get Clinton convicted or settle? You're talking 7 and maybe 8 figures. The victims are dead or consented to the encounter and were paid. If they were forcibly raped they'd have come out already.

WookieMan says

I don't know why he ran on it. Trump didn't like him with obvious evidence kicking him out of Mar A Lago. I just don't think he had evidence from the FBI at the time. Epstein died or whatever in 2019. Covid hit. Epstein was the least of his worries. 2024-2028 term might be different, but the issue might be number 25 on a big lists of goals.

Part of his openness policy.

The problem is, the Democrats and Anti-MAGA forces are trying to force the Admin to release unredacted and non-criminal information they can use to smear Trump or Trump donors. Plus give lawyers a settlement pay day by threatening those mentioned with a long lawsuit.

Check out the bot comments by < 200 follower accounts, many claiming to be "America First"... Epstein, Epstein, Epstein/Russia, Russia, Russia.

https://x.com/CommerceGov/status/1963949761968410790

This is a psyop to distract from MAGA victories and the MAGA agenda.

Epstein isn't a hoax. However, the parts of the regenerated scandal that AREN'T a hoax will never come to light with anything resembling forensic force. It's the Gordian Knot of official flummoxing and evasion for too many years.

Anything revealing the monstrosity of the deep dive will leave too many in the populace squealing and diving for the denial exits. It's not as simple as routing out a few dynastic and political perverts who have been operating that way for thousands of years, and continue to do so. They don't consider these crimes. They regard them as club/secret handshake affiliations and badges of honored political privilege and social status. Their perversions also designate their internal hierarchy/leadership ladders. They are closed circles and they don't give a shit about the rest of the lowly plebs.

By the way, Aug. 31 was "Rothschild Gang Rape The Female Hired Help Wearing Demonic Masks" day. Those half breed bloodlines from the rapes come in handy as future Satanic Ritual Abuse and Tavistock Deconstructed leaders.

DemoralizerOfPanicans says

Democrats and Anti-MAGA forces

same Democrats think Harvey Weinstein was only indicted because of antisemitism

so they'll try to claim any info released from the Epstein files involving Ehud Barak, Mossad and its shell companies, Deep State shenanigans is all a hoax and distraction

.

LOL!

Free DNA UV lamp to light up the bodily fluids of at least a hundred underage girls.

Seems like a mighty expensive and totally unfair 'hoax.' I mean, Gislaine Maxwell is sitting in prison for this hoax. Jeffrey Epstein was suicided while awaiting trial for this hoax. And an awful lot of money has been paid out for this hoax. Here's just one example:

According to the UK Daily Telegraph, Prince Andrew, aka, the Duke of York, paid out a whopping $16.3 MILLION to Virginia Giuffre in an out of court settlement. Even the Queen of England stepped up to the plate and made a $2 MILLION donation to Giuffre's charity designed to help sex trafficking victims. Giuffre's sex abuse case was set to go to trial when the battered, guilty Epstein pedo-friend Prince and the Royal Family decided to settle.

Now why did they choose to settle if the Prince was so innocent, as he claimed? Why? Because the pedo-Prince (and Queen) knew that he was guilty as sin and that his trial was going to open up the entire Epstein political blackmail operation. It was also going to expose an awful lot of very powerful people. And, it was going to expose the connection to that little nation in the Middle East that stood to benefit most from having material that would be used as a means to guarantee support from very, very powerful people.

It's the Democrats playing the Russia, Russia, Russia card as in Epstein, Epstein, Epstein??? Really?

Trump proved that Russia was a true hoax by releasing the facts and evidence and the Democrats have been losing ground ever since.

IF Epstein, et all, is also a hoax, why not use the exact same strategy by releasing ALL files, videos, depositions, etc. to the public. By doing so, that will
make the Democrats look really, really bad ... won't it?

IF there is nothing to hide and it's all a hoax, what is preventing the Justice Department from releasing everything that they have? What possible reason could they have for not doing exactly that?

Misc says

It's been what ???? 30-40 years now

Epstein was still abusing underage girls in 2018, only 7 years ago.

WookieMan says

It is unlikely they were violently raped.

I agree. From "Filthy Rich" and other stuff I read, it was really just about luring girls as young as 13 into prostitution by dangling money (and other things) in front of them.

Though there were a couple of cases where girls claimed he got violent, and that Ghislaine was in on that too, forcing herself on the girls sexually, though I'm not sure exactly how.

RayAmerica says

IF there is nothing to hide and it's all a hoax, what is preventing the Justice Department from releasing everything that they have?

@RayAmerica

I think what's preventing true transparency is that:

1. It would make Israel look bad.
2. It would implicate a lot of very rich Americans on both sides of the aisle, both for sex crimes and for massive tax evasion.
3. The unknown unknowns, whatever they might be.

Yes, the tax evasion angle is interesting.

Trump plays the Left like a fiddle. They are going to destroy the credibility of the 'victims' with their usual cacophony of madness.

RayAmerica says

Seems like a mighty expensive and totally unfair 'hoax.' I mean, Gislaine Maxwell is sitting in prison for this hoax. Jeffrey Epstein was suicided while awaiting trial for this hoax. And an awful lot of money has been paid out for this hoax. Here's just one example:

When Trump said hoax he was talking about himself. Accusations have been made he was somehow involved with Epstein. I've known people that have raped girls. Tax evaders. Does that make me one? Nope. That's what he means by hoax. We all have met or known bad people.

He's saying the "files" release has nothing to do with HIS involvement and that it's a hoax. It's been repeatedly reported that everything has been delayed because Trump has a problem with it. That's the hoax. I swear people don't read anymore.

Looks like Donnie is prone to believing total clowns who confidently talk about things they have no real knowledge about and whose only qualification are playing golf/kissing ass/repeating his words back to him.

Witkoff, Patel, Navarro, Hegseth... the list is longer than my arm.

RayAmerica says

what is preventing the Justice Department from releasing everything that they have? What possible reason could they have for not doing exactly that?

They contain child porn, names of victims of sex trafficking who now have families of their own and don’t necessarily want to relive the embarrassment, and they may even implicate the CIA or other government agencies and agents who clearly allowed this guy to break laws for decades with impunity. So the government is probably protecting the victims, and perhaps even protecting the government itself by not disclosing the information on the trafficking scam. Plus as Patrick notes there are likely financial crimes as well that the government turned a blind eye to, or perhaps even benefited from. It is said that the CIA makes its own money through various criminal enterprises.

It is quite possible that if Americans knew they real truth about Epstein, there would be a total loss of faith in the rule of law and it would shatter the facade that our government protects citizens and seeks justice for all. Or it could discredit America in the world stage, or expose the CIA tactics.

I’m also open to the possibility that the whole ruse here is about getting Dems to call for the release of the files is so that when the details do come out they get the blame for the embarrassment of exposing the fact that our government allowed if not enacted the Epstein/intelligence/financial crime operation.

https://x.com/iam_smx/status/1964127814904316142

https://www.coffeeandcovid.com/p/the-snitch-saturday-september-6-2025

Yesterday, the UK Independent ran the week’s most astonishing news below the headline, “Donald Trump was an FBI ‘informant’ on Jeffrey Epstein, Republican Mike Johnson claims.” Well. Speaker Johnson didn’t exactly claim it. It was more like he let it slip out, possibly accidentally. Narrative whiplash ensued.

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-politics/donald-trump-jeffrey-epstein-informant-fbi-b2821406.html

“When President Trump first heard the rumor, he kicked Epstein out of Mar-a-Lago,” an animated Johnson told reporters. Then: “He was an FBI informant to try to take this stuff down.”

It would explain a lot.

In 2005, Trump famously banned Epstein from his Mar-a-Lago club. A year later, Epstein was arrested in South Florida. Obama’s FBI gave him a wrist slap. Then nothing happened till Trump came into office in 2017, when —only three weeks after the Inauguration— he signed an executive order targeting “Transnational criminal trafficking.”

In 2019, Trump’s DOJ arrested Epstein, seized his island, and threw him in jail. Epstein literally died in prison.

The next year, in 2020, Trump’s DOJ arrested Ghislaine Maxwell, and gave her 20 years for crimes against kids. In 2018, Epstein victims’ lawyer Bradley Edwards said President Trump was the only prominent figure who voluntarily cooperated with their lawsuits since 2009, providing what the lawyer described as “very helpful information.”

Lawyer Edwards said —again, in 2018, after nine years on the case— that there was “no sign” Trump had been involved in any of Epstein’s crimes.

The victims have sued JPMorgan Chase (settled for $290 million), Deutsche Bank (settled for $75 million), Prince Andrew (settled confidentially in 2022), and even Epstein’s attorney Alan Dershowitz (litigated for years). But they have never sued Donald Trump.

Meanwhile, during eight years of Obama and four years of Biden, Democrats were mute about Epstein. They certainly never produced or even hinted at any connection to Trump. No subpoenas, no exposés, no whispered leaks.