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WookieMan says

Confidential? How? Just say names. No law being broken if he named names.

Names of who? The DOJ said they don't have incriminating evidence to prosecute anyone further. We already have the flight logs...what more do you want?

WookieMan says

Also you can blur the victim in a video, hiding them and technically wouldn't be child p*rn if it was put out there.

This seems ridiculous to me. Why would the DOJ release sex videos to the public for them to watch? How would that even be legal?

porkchopXpress says

would the DOJ release sex videos to the public for them to watch?

That would be pretty awesome. PornHub will host the videos.

Panican said:

‘Most of the gals were 17+ years old. They were recruited from jobs they already were working. They also recruited EACH OTHER, and loved the big money shopping cards they were given by Ghislaine.’

Notice how Panican, along with his tag team partner PeopleUnited seem to consistently cast aspersions and blame upon the VICTIMS? There were over 1,000 underage victims, yet the ASSERTION is made that ‘most of the GALS were 17+ years old.’

Other than your imagination, what proof do you have to back up your claims?

PeopleUnited says

RayPalestine says

Criticizing ANY government’s policies does not necessarily mean that it is fueled by hatred for the PEOPLE of that country.

The totality of your body of work here indicates your distaste for the bogeyman you call “Zionists”. You know who the Zionists include? People who believe that when God promised the promised land to the descendants of Israel for all generations, that means All generations. As in the people who can trace their lineage back to Isaac and Jacob have an unconditional God given right to live on that land in perpetuity. If you criticize people who believe in that, yes I consider that hatred if not of the children of Israel but of the God who made the promise in the first place.

But I am not your judge, I just call it like I see it.

You do not know what you are talking about, but that doesn’t prevent you from spouting off your uninformed, non-factual nonsense.

By their own writings and followers (founder of Zionism himself Theodore Herzl stated Zionism was based upon secularism and political ideology), Zionism is secular and political. THAT is precisely why thousands of Orthodox Jews in Israel and all over the world oppose the creation of the modern Zionist State of Israel. You just don’t get it. You’re obsessed with your totally blind obedience, not to God, but to the modern anti-God secular state that was created, not by the requirement of faithful obedience to God, but by violence, murder, lies and terrorism.

https://x.com/MarioNawfal/status/1945745946652119118

WHAT HAPPENED TO ALL THE EVIDENCE AGAINST EPSTEIN?

The FBI's chain of custody for evidence is a meticulously documented process designed to ensure the integrity, authenticity, and admissibility of physical or digital items from the moment they are collected until they are presented in court or disposed of. ...

This system creates multiple redundancies: physical seals, digital logs, audits, and legal accountability.

In the context of Epstein's investigations, the FBI raided his properties and seized vast amounts of evidence, including hard drives, CDs, videos, documents, and other media potentially containing "blackmail" videos or client lists.

Official reviews, including a 2025 DOJ-FBI memo, confirm the seizure of over 300 gigabytes of data, including victim images/videos and over 10,000 downloaded child sexual abuse materials (CSAM) and pornography.

The FBI's chain-of-custody protocols make accidental loss virtually impossible without deliberate interference.

Every item would be logged at collection (e.g, during the 2019 NY raid, agents photographed contents of a safe containing hard drives, CDs labeled "Young [Name] + [Name]" or "Girl pics nude," diamonds, cash, and passports).

Transfers require signed forms, and digital evidence is cataloged in secure databases.

Losing an item would leave a glaring gap in records, triggering automatic audits or alerts.

Evidence is stored in locked, monitored facilities with limited access. For digital items like videos, backups and encryption are standard.

Accidental loss (e.g, misplacement) is improbable due to inventories and surveillance. If "lost," it would imply someone with access intentionally removed or deleted it - e.g, a 2025 whistleblower alleged FBI agents systematically deleted Epstein-linked files, and a 2021 court hearing revealed safe contents temporarily "went missing" after the raid.

High-profile evidence like Epstein's undergoes extra scrutiny, with DOJ oversight and potential Inspector General reviews.

The FBI's protocols create a near-impenetrable system where "loss" demands active subversion - such as falsifying logs, breaking seals, or deleting data - implying corruption or cover-up rather than oversight.

So what happenend to the mountain of evidence?

https://x.com/Festivus96/status/1945792927361380397

Those files were scrubbed before being handed over to the incoming Trump administration.

Maureen Comey was the lead prosecutor on both the Epstein and Maxwell cases (and Diddy's). Her cases have a habit of losing evidence and witnesses.

She was just fired.

If you want to know what happened, she's the person who belongs in your crosahairs.

RayAmerica says

There were over 1,000 underage victims

Are there 1000s of girls, or 1000s of videos? What is the source for this? Are those videos all of Epstein's creation, or was he trading them around?

Grok says between "Dozens" and "over 100" according to prosecutors and testimony, with the "1000s" being claims on X. Miami Herald says "80"
https://grok.com/share/c2hhcmQtMw%3D%3D_2999f2f8-b4e3-4755-b78b-a2daa99ce363

RayAmerica says

THAT is precisely why thousands of Orthodox Jews

That's like saying there are 100k's of Unitarian-Universalists, and they are the "Real Christians"

Naturei Karta, the feted "Orthodox Jews" of anti-Zionists, are 5000 all told, or 0.03% of the World Jewish population

RayAmerica says

PeopleUnited seem to consistently cast aspersions and blame upon the VICTIMS?

There are claims by the victims that other girls recruited them, and they have engaged in online and interview allegations against each other, such as between Oh and Giuffre and Brown.

This has been perculating since Epstein died and there are 5-6 years of claims being made.

PeopleUnited says

DOJ has all the evidence it needs. There is not going to be more evidence. If there was anything to release (that would not harm innocent people) Trump has directed Bondi to release it. No more digging needed. They watched all the child porn, and decided there was nothing more they can say. Some people just can’t handle the truth and would rather turn to fables.

Methinks they are holding onto incriminating evidence in style of J Edgar so they can control the rich and powerful ones. If evidence is released, leverage disappears. Immoral but understandable from Realpolitik viewpoint.

porkchopXpress says

Why does something that graphic and private need to be released to the public?

So that the public can know what the evidence really is.

If the girls are blacked out and still photos are shown with the men's faces, it seems fair to me, and pretty private for the girls.

PanicanDemoralizer says

RayAmerica says

THAT is precisely why thousands of Orthodox Jews

That's like saying there are 100k's of Unitarian-Universalists, and they are the "Real Christians"

I had a long email discussion of this with a friend whose father is Jewish. My summary of the situation after looking up and confirming his assertions:

- Zionism was originally a secular movement, not religious, and in fact had contempt for religious Jews. Early Zionists were seriously considering Madagascar, Argentina, and some other places as the homeland for ethnic Jews.

- To get religious Jews on board, it was agreed that Israel should be the target for settlement. Maybe it was like 2/3 secular and 1/3 religious before WWII.

- But some even more religious Jews objected to Israel because it doesn't fit exactly with their understanding of how the return to Israel should be. They claim it isn't right to go back to Israel until the arrival of the messiah.

To this day, Israel is more secular than religious, and that original tension is still there in society and politics.

Bd6r says

Methinks they are holding onto incriminating evidence in style of J Edgar so they can control the rich and powerful ones. If evidence is released, leverage disappears. Immoral but understandable from Realpolitik viewpoint.

Yup. Leverage is your friend in anything. Could be something as simple as basketball knowing your opponent can't dribble well with their left hand. You force them left (your right).

At least with the island it's really difficult to bring criminal charges as well. They know about it, but can't prove it. 99% of people that visit St. Thomas have never even seen the island. I'll beat the horse dead, but you cannot land a jet on Epstein Island. Flight logs don't matter. You need time stamped, GPS location to link to the location otherwise it could be AI video. I think that's where Trump, Kash and Bondino are at. Can't do anything. Bondi made a mistake is what it looks like.

Trump Rules Out Special Counsel to Investigate Epstein Case

https://thenationalpulse.com/2025/07/17/white-house-rules-out-special-counsel-to-investigate-epstein-case/

What are they afraid of? What are they hiding and why? Who is being protected?

A whopping 69% of Americans Believe that the Government is Hiding Evidence in the Epstein Case

https://thepostmillennial.com/69-of-americans-believe-gov-is-hiding-epsteins-alleged-client-list-reuters-ipsos-poll

This not going away!

Latest video from Candace Owens…

Dead Men Tell No Tales

https://rumble.com/v6w9l32-the-epstein-files-dead-men-tell-no-tales-an-introduction.html?e9s=src_v1_ucp_a

RayPalestine says

You do not know what you are talking about, but that doesn’t prevent you from spouting off your uninformed, non-factual nonsense.

By their own writings and followers (founder of Zionism himself Theodore Herzl stated Zionism was based upon secularism and political ideology), Zionism is secular and political. THAT is precisely why thousands of Orthodox Jews in Israel and all over the world oppose the creation of the modern Zionist State of Israel. You just don’t get it. You’re obsessed with your totally blind obedience, not to God, but to the modern anti-God secular state that was created, not by the requirement of faithful obedience to God, but by violence, murder, lies and terrorism.

Every accusation you just made is true, in regards to the accuser. That is right, you don’t know what you are talking about. You are perpetuating lies. Zion, is a place. It gets its name from the Bible. Zion is no more secular than Mecca, Rome or Salt Lake City. Zion is first and foremost a religious/biblical place captured by David from the Canaanites.

God gave it to Abraham, David killed to capture it. And it still belongs to his descendants to this day.

You’re obsessed with some ridiculous idealistic view that when Israel is right with God He will just magically make all their enemies disappear. It’s fantasy world and beyond that you are essentially playing god telling us and especially telling Abraham’s descendants they should not be in Israel because they did it wrong. Who the fuck are you to tell the children of Israel they don’t belong in the promised land. You got some real issues claiming moral superiority over anyone when you blaspheme God by feigning to tell the children of Israel they have no right to the land God gave them. You are so blind to your own faults nothing you say even makes sense.

Here’s my prediction. Modern Israel will remain in its established borders, or maybe even larger borders until Jesus returns. Israel will maintain sovereignty over Jerusalem, will rebuild the temple and the Antichrist will desecrate it. You may even live to see this happen with your own eyes.

I also predict that until you meet Jesus face to face, you will not repent of your unfair treatment of Gods chosen people the Jews. However, I hope I am wrong. I hope you repent soon, before it is too late.

Patrick says

I had a long email discussion of this with a friend whose father is Jewish. My summary of the situation after looking up and confirming his assertions:

Israel is not just any nation, it is literally a Biblical place, and a Biblical people. I’d agree that it is more secular in practice than it is religious, similar to Rome or Salt Lake City. But it would not exist and we would not be talking about it were it not for the fact the God promised the descendants of Abraham this land, and God has drawn them back there after hundreds of years at this time in history, in preparation for the return of Jesus Christ who rose to heaven 2000 years ago with a promise to return. So look up All those who believe on the name of the Son of God for your redemption is near.

PeopleUnited says

Patrick says

I had a long email discussion of this with a friend whose father is Jewish. My summary of the situation after looking up and confirming his assertions:

Israel is not just any nation, it is literally a Biblical place, and a Biblical people. I’d agree that it is more secular in practice than it is religious, similar to Rome or Salt Lake City. But it would not exist and we would not be talking about it were it not for the fact the God promised the descendants of Abraham this land, and God has drawn them back there after hundreds of years at this time in history, in preparation for the return of Jesus Christ who rose to heaven 2000 years ago with a promise to return. So look up All those who believe on the name of the Son of God for your redemption is near.

lately they don’t behave like the jews that follow God, but the kind that they killed off in Exodus for walking away from God.

if God chooses to have it be destroyed and rebuild another 100 times we wouldn’t know. But anyone not in Christ today is not with God. Jews are no longer covered by the covenant.

RayPanican says

Notice how Panican, along with his tag team partner PeopleUnited seem to consistently cast aspersions and blame upon the VICTIMS? There were over 1,000 underage victims, yet the ASSERTION is made that ‘most of the GALS were 17+ years old.’

More lies from the king of lies. I have no idea how many girls decided it was a good idea to sell themselves to Epstein and Gislaine, nor do I know how old they were. So quit making up lies. You are disgusting and it really shows your lack of character to constantly malign others for expressing their opinion.

Besides that, where is your proof that the girls were not 17 plus, or did not traffic and recruit one another for the sexcapades at Jeffries whore houses? Where is your proof? That’s right there is none. Nope not one shred of evidence. Yet you keep repeating fables as if they are true. Pathetic.

Fortwaye says

lately they don’t behave like the jews that follow God, but the kind that they killed off in Exodus for walking away from God.

Ah, good to know. Are you In the practice of judging Christians too or just Jews?

My point is that I would not recommend being so judgmental of anyone. After all, for the “gay marriage” and millions of babies aborted in the USA alone, We are worthy of everything that happened to Sodom and Gomorrah if not more. Don’t get so self righteous you forget about your own nations faults.. Fortwaye says

But anyone not in Christ today is not with God. Jews are no longer covered by the covenant.

The covenant is for anyone who repents and believes. Furthermore, God promised specifically to redeem the descendants of Abraham (not all of them will accept the gift of grace through faith, but a remnant living in Israel will be redeemed, even if it is only 5 or 10% the whole world will know that the God of Jacob rules in Jerusalem forever.) The covenant most certainly is for the Jews too, and they have to repent just like gentiles if they are to become believers.

PeopleUnited says

Zion, is a place. It gets its name from the Bible.

True. The argument I had with my friend was when he asserted that "Zionism has nothing to do with Judaism."

That's false. It clearly has a lot to do with Judaism.

But the Zionist movement that resulted in the current country of Israel was explicitly secular, not Jewish in a religious sense. So I see what he means. It was not a religious movement. It was part of a wave of national identity movements of the time, like the Irish and Polish attempts to get their countries back.

Patrick says

PeopleUnited says

Zion, is a place. It gets its name from the Bible.

True. The argument I had with my friend was when he asserted that "Zionism has nothing to do with Judaism."

That's false. It clearly has a lot to do with Judaism.

But the Zionist movement that resulted in the current country of Israel was explicitly secular, not Jewish in a religious sense. So I see what he means. It was not a religious movement. It was part of a wave of national identity movements of the time, like the Irish and Polish attempts to get their countries back.

That’s fine, but they brought their religion with them. And they still own the promise of Jehovah God to remember them, and redeem a remnant of the Jewish people when Jesus returns.

https://larrycjohnson.substack.com/p/unlike-jeffrey-epstein-donald-trump

Unlike Jeffrey Epstein, Donald Trump Commits Political Suicide

... Trump’s response has ignited an inferno of rage among his previous avid supporters… especially among the under 30 crowd. They know bullshit, to use Trump’s bizarre phrase, when they hear it and see it.

Trump got it right on one point (man, does he need an editor) when he likened the Jeffrey Epstein hoax to Hunter Biden’s laptop. Newsflash Donnie — the Hunter Biden laptop was genuine, just like the valid, rock solid, legally proven allegations against Jeffrey Epstein. ...

Settlements:

• In June 2023, JPMorgan agreed to pay $290 million to Epstein’s victims in a class-action lawsuit that alleged JPMorgan “knowingly benefited from participating in a sex-trafficking venture” and obstructed enforcement of anti-trafficking laws.

• In September 2023, the bank settled for $75 million with the US Virgin Islands to resolve claims it enabled Epstein’s sex crimes, with the majority of funds designated for local charities and victim support.

• JPMorgan also reached a confidential legal settlement with Jes Staley, its former executive alleged to have been complicit in maintaining Epstein as a client.

And Trump thinks this is, “bullshit“? Along with Ryan Dawson’s excellent reporting, Candace Owens is covering this like a blizzard in Buffalo, New York. For those of you not familiar with the snowfall in Buffalo, it measures blizzards in multiple meters or, if you prefer, feet. She is all over this and ain’t backing down. This is a point I made today with Danny Davis — when you have Candace Owens, Tucker Carlson, Megyn Kelly, Matt Walsh and Joe Rogan now challenging Trump’s veracity and sanity, you have the Tom Hank’s line from the movie, Apollo 13: Houston we have a problem!

Patrick says

Settlements:

Civil cases are not criminal ones. And firms settle lawsuits all the time.

The point is that Epstein really was trafficking underage girls to powerful people.

Patrick says

The point is that Epstein really was trafficking underage girls to powerful people.

Doesn't change anything.

Evidence standards are different between civil vs criminal cases. So is jury voting.

By pushing 'settlements' and lawsuits, the author is engaging in the same Grade A bullshit that the Left does when they claim that Trump was found guilty of rape 'by a jury' in a civil proceeding.

It was Trump Kayfabe.


And now he knows which influenzas are against him. Not just a disagreement over military or spending priorities.

However, when the court docs are unsealed, if they don't say "Mossad and the Jooos were behind ALL OF IT" the influenzas will say "Hoax! Doctored! Fraud!" and somehow find a way to blame Bondi, Trump, etc.

Al_Sharpton_for_President says

But he never vowed to release the files. Do you have a source for it?

Patrick says

porkchopXpress says

Why does something that graphic and private need to be released to the public?

So that the public can know what the evidence really is.

If the girls are blacked out and still photos are shown with the men's faces, it seems fair to me, and pretty private for the girls.

I don't think that's even remotely legal or appropriate to do.

porkchopXpress says

But he never vowed to release the files. Do you have a source for it?

2024: Trump: 'Weird situation' with jail camera at time of Epstein's death'; Vance: List should be released

"Yeah, yeah, I would (declassify the Epstein files)," Trump said on Fox & Friends Weekend on June 3, 2024. "I think that less so because, you know, you don't know if, you don't want to affect people's lives if it's phony stuff in there, cause there's a lot of phony stuff with that whole world. But I think I would." He also said, "Certainly about the way he (Epstein) died, it would be interesting to find out what happened there because that was a weird situation and the cameras didn't happen to be working, etcetera, etcetera. But yeah, I'd go a long way toward that one.”
https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/2025/07/11/trump-administration-jeffrey-epstein-client-list-timeline/84504096007/

35:27

https://www.youtube.com/live/HVKRNcQUbRY?t=2125s

porkchopXpress says

I don't think that's even remotely legal or appropriate to do.

What about just arresting the perps for rape?

Al_Sharpton_for_President says

porkchopXpress says
But he never vowed to release the files. Do you have a source for it?

2024: Trump: 'Weird situation' with jail camera at time of Epstein's death'; Vance: List should be released

"Yeah, yeah, I would (declassify the Epstein files)," Trump said on Fox & Friends Weekend on June 3, 2024. "I think that less so because, you know, you don't know if, you don't want to affect people's lives if it's phony stuff in there, cause there's a lot of phony stuff with that whole world. But I think I would." He also said, "Certainly about the way he (Epstein) died, it would be interesting to find out what happened there because that was a weird situation and the cameras didn't happen to be working, etcetera, etcetera. But yeah, I'd go a long way toward that one.”
https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/2025/07/11/trump-administration-jeffrey-epstein-client-list-timeline/84504096007/

35:27

https://www.youtube.com/live/HVKRNcQUbRY?t=2125s

Yep.

Now compare that to the dozens of times he said "NO NUKE FOR IRAN" in 2024.

PanicanDemoralizer says

Now compare that to the dozens of times he said "NO NUKE FOR IRAN" in 2024.

Apples and oranges. Epstein is totally in his control.

The term ‘Zion’ was cleverly taken from the Old Testament scriptures by the founder of the secular/political Zionist movement, Theodore Herzl as a means to hide their intentions to create a SECULAR state separate from the laws of God. Herzl himself stated that his movement is a political movement founded upon secularism. Herzl is universally recognized as the founder of the modern State of Israel and his portrait can be often observed in the background at important Israeli government functions.

In a similar move, the equally clever founders of our PRIVATELY owned and operated central bank used the word ‘Federal’ as means to fool the gullible into believing that the Federal Reserve is actually part of the Federal government and not a privately owned and operated mega bank.