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RayAmerica says

THAT is precisely why thousands of Orthodox Jews

That's like saying there are 100k's of Unitarian-Universalists, and they are the "Real Christians"

Naturei Karta, the feted "Orthodox Jews" of anti-Zionists, are 5000 all told, or 0.03% of the World Jewish population

RayAmerica says

PeopleUnited seem to consistently cast aspersions and blame upon the VICTIMS?

There are claims by the victims that other girls recruited them, and they have engaged in online and interview allegations against each other, such as between Oh and Giuffre and Brown.

This has been perculating since Epstein died and there are 5-6 years of claims being made.

PeopleUnited says

DOJ has all the evidence it needs. There is not going to be more evidence. If there was anything to release (that would not harm innocent people) Trump has directed Bondi to release it. No more digging needed. They watched all the child porn, and decided there was nothing more they can say. Some people just can’t handle the truth and would rather turn to fables.

Methinks they are holding onto incriminating evidence in style of J Edgar so they can control the rich and powerful ones. If evidence is released, leverage disappears. Immoral but understandable from Realpolitik viewpoint.

porkchopXpress says

Why does something that graphic and private need to be released to the public?

So that the public can know what the evidence really is.

If the girls are blacked out and still photos are shown with the men's faces, it seems fair to me, and pretty private for the girls.

PanicanDemoralizer says

RayAmerica says

THAT is precisely why thousands of Orthodox Jews

That's like saying there are 100k's of Unitarian-Universalists, and they are the "Real Christians"

I had a long email discussion of this with a friend whose father is Jewish. My summary of the situation after looking up and confirming his assertions:

- Zionism was originally a secular movement, not religious, and in fact had contempt for religious Jews. Early Zionists were seriously considering Madagascar, Argentina, and some other places as the homeland for ethnic Jews.

- To get religious Jews on board, it was agreed that Israel should be the target for settlement. Maybe it was like 2/3 secular and 1/3 religious before WWII.

- But some even more religious Jews objected to Israel because it doesn't fit exactly with their understanding of how the return to Israel should be. They claim it isn't right to go back to Israel until the arrival of the messiah.

To this day, Israel is more secular than religious, and that original tension is still there in society and politics.

Bd6r says

Methinks they are holding onto incriminating evidence in style of J Edgar so they can control the rich and powerful ones. If evidence is released, leverage disappears. Immoral but understandable from Realpolitik viewpoint.

Yup. Leverage is your friend in anything. Could be something as simple as basketball knowing your opponent can't dribble well with their left hand. You force them left (your right).

At least with the island it's really difficult to bring criminal charges as well. They know about it, but can't prove it. 99% of people that visit St. Thomas have never even seen the island. I'll beat the horse dead, but you cannot land a jet on Epstein Island. Flight logs don't matter. You need time stamped, GPS location to link to the location otherwise it could be AI video. I think that's where Trump, Kash and Bondino are at. Can't do anything. Bondi made a mistake is what it looks like.

Trump Rules Out Special Counsel to Investigate Epstein Case

https://thenationalpulse.com/2025/07/17/white-house-rules-out-special-counsel-to-investigate-epstein-case/

What are they afraid of? What are they hiding and why? Who is being protected?

A whopping 69% of Americans Believe that the Government is Hiding Evidence in the Epstein Case

https://thepostmillennial.com/69-of-americans-believe-gov-is-hiding-epsteins-alleged-client-list-reuters-ipsos-poll

This not going away!

Latest video from Candace Owens…

Dead Men Tell No Tales

https://rumble.com/v6w9l32-the-epstein-files-dead-men-tell-no-tales-an-introduction.html?e9s=src_v1_ucp_a

RayPalestine says

You do not know what you are talking about, but that doesn’t prevent you from spouting off your uninformed, non-factual nonsense.

By their own writings and followers (founder of Zionism himself Theodore Herzl stated Zionism was based upon secularism and political ideology), Zionism is secular and political. THAT is precisely why thousands of Orthodox Jews in Israel and all over the world oppose the creation of the modern Zionist State of Israel. You just don’t get it. You’re obsessed with your totally blind obedience, not to God, but to the modern anti-God secular state that was created, not by the requirement of faithful obedience to God, but by violence, murder, lies and terrorism.

Every accusation you just made is true, in regards to the accuser. That is right, you don’t know what you are talking about. You are perpetuating lies. Zion, is a place. It gets its name from the Bible. Zion is no more secular than Mecca, Rome or Salt Lake City. Zion is first and foremost a religious/biblical place captured by David from the Canaanites.

God gave it to Abraham, David killed to capture it. And it still belongs to his descendants to this day.

You’re obsessed with some ridiculous idealistic view that when Israel is right with God He will just magically make all their enemies disappear. It’s fantasy world and beyond that you are essentially playing god telling us and especially telling Abraham’s descendants they should not be in Israel because they did it wrong. Who the fuck are you to tell the children of Israel they don’t belong in the promised land. You got some real issues claiming moral superiority over anyone when you blaspheme God by feigning to tell the children of Israel they have no right to the land God gave them. You are so blind to your own faults nothing you say even makes sense.

Here’s my prediction. Modern Israel will remain in its established borders, or maybe even larger borders until Jesus returns. Israel will maintain sovereignty over Jerusalem, will rebuild the temple and the Antichrist will desecrate it. You may even live to see this happen with your own eyes.

I also predict that until you meet Jesus face to face, you will not repent of your unfair treatment of Gods chosen people the Jews. However, I hope I am wrong. I hope you repent soon, before it is too late.

Patrick says

I had a long email discussion of this with a friend whose father is Jewish. My summary of the situation after looking up and confirming his assertions:

Israel is not just any nation, it is literally a Biblical place, and a Biblical people. I’d agree that it is more secular in practice than it is religious, similar to Rome or Salt Lake City. But it would not exist and we would not be talking about it were it not for the fact the God promised the descendants of Abraham this land, and God has drawn them back there after hundreds of years at this time in history, in preparation for the return of Jesus Christ who rose to heaven 2000 years ago with a promise to return. So look up All those who believe on the name of the Son of God for your redemption is near.

PeopleUnited says

Patrick says

I had a long email discussion of this with a friend whose father is Jewish. My summary of the situation after looking up and confirming his assertions:

Israel is not just any nation, it is literally a Biblical place, and a Biblical people. I’d agree that it is more secular in practice than it is religious, similar to Rome or Salt Lake City. But it would not exist and we would not be talking about it were it not for the fact the God promised the descendants of Abraham this land, and God has drawn them back there after hundreds of years at this time in history, in preparation for the return of Jesus Christ who rose to heaven 2000 years ago with a promise to return. So look up All those who believe on the name of the Son of God for your redemption is near.

lately they don’t behave like the jews that follow God, but the kind that they killed off in Exodus for walking away from God.

if God chooses to have it be destroyed and rebuild another 100 times we wouldn’t know. But anyone not in Christ today is not with God. Jews are no longer covered by the covenant.

RayPanican says

Notice how Panican, along with his tag team partner PeopleUnited seem to consistently cast aspersions and blame upon the VICTIMS? There were over 1,000 underage victims, yet the ASSERTION is made that ‘most of the GALS were 17+ years old.’

More lies from the king of lies. I have no idea how many girls decided it was a good idea to sell themselves to Epstein and Gislaine, nor do I know how old they were. So quit making up lies. You are disgusting and it really shows your lack of character to constantly malign others for expressing their opinion.

Besides that, where is your proof that the girls were not 17 plus, or did not traffic and recruit one another for the sexcapades at Jeffries whore houses? Where is your proof? That’s right there is none. Nope not one shred of evidence. Yet you keep repeating fables as if they are true. Pathetic.

Fortwaye says

lately they don’t behave like the jews that follow God, but the kind that they killed off in Exodus for walking away from God.

Ah, good to know. Are you In the practice of judging Christians too or just Jews?

My point is that I would not recommend being so judgmental of anyone. After all, for the “gay marriage” and millions of babies aborted in the USA alone, We are worthy of everything that happened to Sodom and Gomorrah if not more. Don’t get so self righteous you forget about your own nations faults.. Fortwaye says

But anyone not in Christ today is not with God. Jews are no longer covered by the covenant.

The covenant is for anyone who repents and believes. Furthermore, God promised specifically to redeem the descendants of Abraham (not all of them will accept the gift of grace through faith, but a remnant living in Israel will be redeemed, even if it is only 5 or 10% the whole world will know that the God of Jacob rules in Jerusalem forever.) The covenant most certainly is for the Jews too, and they have to repent just like gentiles if they are to become believers.

PeopleUnited says

Zion, is a place. It gets its name from the Bible.

True. The argument I had with my friend was when he asserted that "Zionism has nothing to do with Judaism."

That's false. It clearly has a lot to do with Judaism.

But the Zionist movement that resulted in the current country of Israel was explicitly secular, not Jewish in a religious sense. So I see what he means. It was not a religious movement. It was part of a wave of national identity movements of the time, like the Irish and Polish attempts to get their countries back.

Patrick says

PeopleUnited says

Zion, is a place. It gets its name from the Bible.

True. The argument I had with my friend was when he asserted that "Zionism has nothing to do with Judaism."

That's false. It clearly has a lot to do with Judaism.

But the Zionist movement that resulted in the current country of Israel was explicitly secular, not Jewish in a religious sense. So I see what he means. It was not a religious movement. It was part of a wave of national identity movements of the time, like the Irish and Polish attempts to get their countries back.

That’s fine, but they brought their religion with them. And they still own the promise of Jehovah God to remember them, and redeem a remnant of the Jewish people when Jesus returns.

https://larrycjohnson.substack.com/p/unlike-jeffrey-epstein-donald-trump

Unlike Jeffrey Epstein, Donald Trump Commits Political Suicide

... Trump’s response has ignited an inferno of rage among his previous avid supporters… especially among the under 30 crowd. They know bullshit, to use Trump’s bizarre phrase, when they hear it and see it.

Trump got it right on one point (man, does he need an editor) when he likened the Jeffrey Epstein hoax to Hunter Biden’s laptop. Newsflash Donnie — the Hunter Biden laptop was genuine, just like the valid, rock solid, legally proven allegations against Jeffrey Epstein. ...

Settlements:

• In June 2023, JPMorgan agreed to pay $290 million to Epstein’s victims in a class-action lawsuit that alleged JPMorgan “knowingly benefited from participating in a sex-trafficking venture” and obstructed enforcement of anti-trafficking laws.

• In September 2023, the bank settled for $75 million with the US Virgin Islands to resolve claims it enabled Epstein’s sex crimes, with the majority of funds designated for local charities and victim support.

• JPMorgan also reached a confidential legal settlement with Jes Staley, its former executive alleged to have been complicit in maintaining Epstein as a client.

And Trump thinks this is, “bullshit“? Along with Ryan Dawson’s excellent reporting, Candace Owens is covering this like a blizzard in Buffalo, New York. For those of you not familiar with the snowfall in Buffalo, it measures blizzards in multiple meters or, if you prefer, feet. She is all over this and ain’t backing down. This is a point I made today with Danny Davis — when you have Candace Owens, Tucker Carlson, Megyn Kelly, Matt Walsh and Joe Rogan now challenging Trump’s veracity and sanity, you have the Tom Hank’s line from the movie, Apollo 13: Houston we have a problem!

Patrick says

Settlements:

Civil cases are not criminal ones. And firms settle lawsuits all the time.

The point is that Epstein really was trafficking underage girls to powerful people.

Patrick says

The point is that Epstein really was trafficking underage girls to powerful people.

Doesn't change anything.

Evidence standards are different between civil vs criminal cases. So is jury voting.

By pushing 'settlements' and lawsuits, the author is engaging in the same Grade A bullshit that the Left does when they claim that Trump was found guilty of rape 'by a jury' in a civil proceeding.

It was Trump Kayfabe.


And now he knows which influenzas are against him. Not just a disagreement over military or spending priorities.

However, when the court docs are unsealed, if they don't say "Mossad and the Jooos were behind ALL OF IT" the influenzas will say "Hoax! Doctored! Fraud!" and somehow find a way to blame Bondi, Trump, etc.

Al_Sharpton_for_President says

But he never vowed to release the files. Do you have a source for it?

Patrick says

porkchopXpress says

Why does something that graphic and private need to be released to the public?

So that the public can know what the evidence really is.

If the girls are blacked out and still photos are shown with the men's faces, it seems fair to me, and pretty private for the girls.

I don't think that's even remotely legal or appropriate to do.

porkchopXpress says

But he never vowed to release the files. Do you have a source for it?

2024: Trump: 'Weird situation' with jail camera at time of Epstein's death'; Vance: List should be released

"Yeah, yeah, I would (declassify the Epstein files)," Trump said on Fox & Friends Weekend on June 3, 2024. "I think that less so because, you know, you don't know if, you don't want to affect people's lives if it's phony stuff in there, cause there's a lot of phony stuff with that whole world. But I think I would." He also said, "Certainly about the way he (Epstein) died, it would be interesting to find out what happened there because that was a weird situation and the cameras didn't happen to be working, etcetera, etcetera. But yeah, I'd go a long way toward that one.”
https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/2025/07/11/trump-administration-jeffrey-epstein-client-list-timeline/84504096007/

35:27

https://www.youtube.com/live/HVKRNcQUbRY?t=2125s

porkchopXpress says

I don't think that's even remotely legal or appropriate to do.

What about just arresting the perps for rape?

Al_Sharpton_for_President says

porkchopXpress says
But he never vowed to release the files. Do you have a source for it?

2024: Trump: 'Weird situation' with jail camera at time of Epstein's death'; Vance: List should be released

"Yeah, yeah, I would (declassify the Epstein files)," Trump said on Fox & Friends Weekend on June 3, 2024. "I think that less so because, you know, you don't know if, you don't want to affect people's lives if it's phony stuff in there, cause there's a lot of phony stuff with that whole world. But I think I would." He also said, "Certainly about the way he (Epstein) died, it would be interesting to find out what happened there because that was a weird situation and the cameras didn't happen to be working, etcetera, etcetera. But yeah, I'd go a long way toward that one.”
https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/2025/07/11/trump-administration-jeffrey-epstein-client-list-timeline/84504096007/

35:27

https://www.youtube.com/live/HVKRNcQUbRY?t=2125s

Yep.

Now compare that to the dozens of times he said "NO NUKE FOR IRAN" in 2024.

PanicanDemoralizer says

Now compare that to the dozens of times he said "NO NUKE FOR IRAN" in 2024.

Apples and oranges. Epstein is totally in his control.

The term ‘Zion’ was cleverly taken from the Old Testament scriptures by the founder of the secular/political Zionist movement, Theodore Herzl as a means to hide their intentions to create a SECULAR state separate from the laws of God. Herzl himself stated that his movement is a political movement founded upon secularism. Herzl is universally recognized as the founder of the modern State of Israel and his portrait can be often observed in the background at important Israeli government functions.

In a similar move, the equally clever founders of our PRIVATELY owned and operated central bank used the word ‘Federal’ as means to fool the gullible into believing that the Federal Reserve is actually part of the Federal government and not a privately owned and operated mega bank.

RWSGFY says

Funny...if it was all make believe some banks got scammed.

In the Epstein case, JPMorgan Chase and Deutsche Bank have made significant payouts to victims as part of settlements related to Epstein's sex trafficking operation. JPMorgan paid $290 million to settle a lawsuit brought by Epstein's victims, who accused the bank of ignoring red flags and enabling his trafficking activities. Deutsche Bank also settled for $75 million, facing similar accusations of facilitating Epstein's sex trafficking by providing financial services.

That's a lot of evidence.

https://www.coffeeandcovid.com/p/honeypot-friday-july-18-2025-c-and

The media and the internets burst into flames last night, after President Trump directed Attorney General Pam Bondi to immediately seek court approval to release the sealed 2019 Epstein Grand Jury testimony.




The move came shortly after the Wall Street Journal published a salacious and thinly sourced birthday note allegedly sent from Trump to Epstein in 2003. The letter included “a sexually suggestive drawing,” hints of “shared secrets,” and an implied threat of blackmail-by-leak. Trump immediately denied the report and promised prompt lawsuits, accusing CEO Rupert Murdoch of reneging on a promise to “take care of it.”

Let’s take a moment to look at this “letter.”

The Wall Street Journal’s hit piece was headlined, “Exclusive - Jeffrey Epstein’s Friends Sent Him Bawdy Letters for a 50th Birthday Album. One Was From Donald Trump.” Allegedly, the letter was included in a leather-bound scrapbook of birthday wishes that Ghislaine Maxwell collected for Epstein in 2003.

To say the letter was ‘thinly sourced’ is like saying the Titanic had a slight moisture problem.

First, the Journal has neither the Birthday Scrapbook nor the letter. It said it “reviewed” the letter. When? Where? How? Was it just read to them over the phone? What does “reviewed” even mean? For sure, it means they don’t have it. The Journal described the letter as being “among documents examined by Justice Department officials” —what officials?— “according to people who have reviewed the pages.” People? The Village People? Psychics?

“I’m sensing the letter was typed… I’m seeing small arcs… there’s… a signature? Yes! It’s forming… it’s… Donald!”

In other words: the whole Scrapbook story is double anonymous hearsay. Some unnamed “people” said some unidentified “officials” reviewed the birthday binder and the original letter. Even bad lawyers wouldn’t consider trying to admit that in court. “Um, your Honor, someone told us that some government officials may have seen a letter, which someone else described to us… and we’d like to enter that into evidence.” Okay.

Next, the Journal’s future defendants admitted they know nothing about the letter’s provenance. “It isn’t clear,” the Journal admitted, “how the letter with Trump’s signature was prepared.” Great. And there’s no chain of custody. Nobody’s ever even heard of this Birthday Scrapbook before. “The existence of the album and the contents of the birthday letters,” the Journal conceded, “haven’t previously been reported.”

No leaks, no mention in any of the court cases, nothing, in over twenty years.

It’s just too much. Biden’s DOJ raided Mar-a-Lago for newspaper clippings, indicted Trump four separate times, subpoenaed everyone but Barron, surveilled campaign officials, and criminalized memes. They even leaked photos from the Mar-a-Lago raid. But we’re supposed to believe Democrats sat on a perfectly gift-wrapped, visually grotesque, plausibly deniable Trump–Epstein letter since 2019 or earlier— and just … what? Forgot to use it? Even during impeachment one and two?

Notwithstanding all those problems, the Journal glowingly described the “bawdy” letter. It waited till about three pages in, and then set out a very non-Trumpian, odd, quippy typed (not handwritten) fake dialogue between Trump and Epstein that sounds just like a scripted confession. “Donald: We have certain things in common, Jeffrey,” the letter gushed. “Jeffrey: Yes, we do, come to think of it.”

To make sure we got the message, the carefully scripted, incriminating-sounding typed dialogue was allegedly placed inside a hand-drawn cartoon of a naked woman, with “breasts denoted by small arcs” (small breasts? pre-pubescent ones?) above “Donald,” scrawled as a signature in the sketch’s pubic region.

Get this— despite the obvious, explosive, salacious potential, the Journal did not publish a picture of the actual letter. It did not even explain the letter’s absence. Why not show the letter? Is it sealed? Confidential? Restricted? If so, why not just say that? Or is it possible the Journal never actually saw the letter but just “reviewed” an oral description?

Finally, and perhaps most importantly, the Journal did not mention any forensic analysis. The convenient fact the incredibly suspicious ‘dialogue’ was typed eliminates handwriting analysis of that part, but what about the signature? The drawing? You’d think they’d have cited six forensic handwriting analyses before going to print with something like this.

Only the original letter with the wet ink signature could be subjected to forensic analysis. Anything else could be copy-pasta. Stroke direction, pen pressure, ink composition, paper age and source— none of these things can be analyzed from a PDF or cell phone snap.

In other words, it’s thinner than Shell station toilet paper. It’s so thin, if you held it up to the light, you’d see the ghost of J. Edgar Hoover shaking his head. So, the alleged letter is a stinking pile of hot garbage, and Trump is about to get another fat settlement to fund the “Golden Defamation Wing” of his presidential library. ...

Before Jeffrey Epstein could face trial in 2019 for running a sex trafficking ring so depraved it made Eyes Wide Shut look like a summer church potluck, a federal grand jury had to greenlight the case. A grand jury is like a legal litmus test. It doesn’t decide guilt, just whether there’s enough sketchy behavior to let prosecutors haul someone into court. In Epstein’s case, the grand jury reviewed evidence and testimony about a conspiracy to commit sex trafficking and sex trafficking of minors, then issued the indictment that landed him in that now-infamous Manhattan jail cell, where the cameras flickered, the guards napped and … well, you know the rest.

The grand jury in the Epstein case likely saw a one-sided highlight reel from prosecutors—because that’s how grand juries work. No defense attorneys, no cross-examination, just prosecutors walking jurors through flight logs, victim statements, bank transfers, surveillance footage, and possibly a who’s-who of eyebrow-raising guest lists.

They probably heard tearful testimony from survivors, saw photos of underage girls at Epstein’s homes, and maybe even reviewed those infamous massage room schedules. The pitch wouldn’t have been subtle: “Here’s a billionaire who shipped teenage girls across state lines like Amazon packages. Now can we please charge him with conspiracy and sex trafficking of minors?”

The jurors, ordinary citizens locked in a private, secured courtroom with all this filth, only had one job: to decide whether there was probable cause to indict. They did. And that indictment probably contains some very awkward facts for very powerful people.

To get an indictment, prosecutors did not necessarily need to show the jurors the client list, Epstein’s intelligence connections, the blackmail ring, or even name a single customer. But in 2019, they were operating under the full assurance that the grand jury room was a legal black box. Prosecutors present evidence to a grand jury understanding that the proceedings are secret, and that any records, transcripts, or testimony will remain sealed, absent a very rare court order.

In a politically charged case like Epstein’s, federal prosecutors almost certainly and confidently assumed that the grand jury transcripts would never see daylight. Prosecutors try to make their best case to a grand jury. That’s literally the job. And in a case like Epstein’s, they might have made it with a firehose, believing no one would ever read the transcript.

If the court grants Bondi’s request to unseal the Epstein grand jury transcripts, don’t expect a Hollywood-style exposé with names, photos, and smoking-gun confessions. Expect a dense, heavily redacted legal document—probably hundreds of pages long—filled with euphemisms, “Witness A”-style pseudonyms, and enough black ink to empty a toner cartridge.

Victims’ identities will be shielded, uncharged third parties will be scrubbed out, and any still-classified investigative details will vanish beneath thick redaction bars. But what does remain —timelines, charges, patterns, and unredacted narrative structure— could still paint a damning picture of what prosecutors knew, when they knew it, and how close they may have gotten to people the public has never been allowed to name.

Still, if the Epstein grand jury transcripts are unsealed, it would be one of the most explosive document releases in modern American legal history. If Epstein was killed to prevent the trial, releasing the Grand Jury report will give us the best look at what evidence would have surfaced in public. Presumably, it was evidence worth killing for.

In a way, this is Trump’s Revenge.

The DOJ renewed the Epstein investigation during Trump 1.0’s first year in office. They indicted the Financial Man of Mystery (at the Grand Jury) in 2019, and were preparing to try his case when Epstein died in federal custody, driving the whole thing into a graveyard ditch. Now, President Trump is ordering Pam Bondi to expose what was about to come out at trial in 2019, but had never gotten the chance.

And this probably wouldn’t have been politically possible, absent the Democrats’ recent demands for transparency while they were drunk on scandal momentum. Now, it’s bipartisan.

What about the court? The case now lands into the lap of an unlucky federal district judge, who will probably have to wade through tons of opposition. Lawyers for the victims will probably oppose release. Shady third parties will probably file sealed motions to at least scrub references to themselves. Each of these opposing motions is entitled to due process. Absent a miracle, expect the process to take weeks or even months.

The New York Times sneered that unsealing the grand jury transcripts isn’t the same as releasing “the whole Epstein file.” That’s technically true; but it’s also deeply misleading.

The Grand Jury testimony represents the best version of the case the DOJ believed it could prove, before Epstein’s death, before redactions, and without political caution. It’s the raw indictment pitch, presented to citizens in private, without spin or PR filter. Unlike rumors, anonymous leaks, or pages of potentially related or unrelated documents, grand jury material is presented under oath. The witnesses are sworn. The evidence is carefully cataloged. It’s all been formally curated by prosecutors.