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https://www.reuters.com/legal/us-prosecutors-recommend-doj-criminally-charge-boeing-deadline-looms-2024-06-23/

The_Deplorable says

just_passing_through says
"My cousin fly's them... He said the crashes in other parts of the
world were due to lack of training."

That is Impossible because Boeing did not inform the airlines and the pilots that the 737 MAX
was unstable. Boeing did not even mention this in the pilot manual. So, how did you expect
the airlines to train their pilots about a problem they know nothing about?

From my cousin - I think he misunderstood 'arguing' though:

You cannot turn MCAS itself off. You can turn the power off to the elevator trim motors, so that the commands from MCAS cannot be carried out. It is just a switch on the center console that we turn off the power to the elevator trim so even though the MCAS is commanding a nose down trim there's no power to actually execute that. The video doesn't actually show that though. I wouldn't get an arguments like that with idiots anyways. I'm a rated and qualified line captain on the 737 for the largest airline in the world. I think I know the system and anyone that doubts that is an idiot of themselves.

I am familiar with how the system works. That is one of the systems that there is no real training to be done and the pilot has no interaction with it and has no switches to control it. But I do know the system was designed to lower the pitch attitude of the aircraft if the aircraft senses an impending stall. Lowering the pitch attitude is the normal manner in which you use to break a stall and it's just assisting you in that job function. We are trained on it.

So to me it's sort of like automatic cruise control for your car as an analogy except it just turns on. I'm trained to drive a car and if I see a dangerous situation unfolding, like traffic stopping ahead I turn the cruise control off (perhaps by braking)...

just_passing_through says

So to me it's sort of like automatic cruise control for your car as an analogy except it just turns on. I'm trained to drive a car and if I see a dangerous situation unfolding, like traffic stopping ahead I turn the cruise control off (perhaps by braking)...

Bingo. Better than I've tried explaining it. The crashes were avoidable.

Boeing will be held liable only because of insurance reasons. The Alaska Air door incident was bad timing and likely bad manufacturing. Oh, and no one was hurt. Pilots control planes and don't crash them. Except when they're poorly trained or inept at the job. Rarely is it equipment or software. It's 2024, not 1970 when most pilots were drunk.

Well, personally I'm trying to convince him to retire early. I don't trust Boeing anymore. In fact, that is going into my calculus as to when or whether or not I sell my Maui condo soon. I don't want to crash and DEI in the middle of the Pacific.

just_passing_through says

"So to me it's sort of like automatic cruise control for your car as an analogy except it just turns on."

How do you turn off cruise control if you do not know it exists?

How do you turn off cruise control if you do not know the definition of cruise control?

Boeing’s Starliner spacecraft - with two astronauts onboard - are currently stuck in space.

"It remains unclear when exactly the astronauts will be able to make their return to Earth."

It makes you wonder if the Starliner is missing any bolts...

https://www.theguardian.com/business/article/2024/jun/26/boeing-starliner-astronauts

The_Deplorable says

Boeing’s Starliner spacecraft - with two astronauts onboard - are currently stuck in space.

"It remains unclear when exactly the astronauts will be able to make their return to Earth."

It makes you wonder if the Starliner is missing any bolts...

https://www.theguardian.com/business/article/2024/jun/26/boeing-starliner-astronauts

They are not 'stuck' in space. SpaceX can send up a Dragon, if necessary.

It would be humiliating for both NASA and Boeing.

Boeing’s Starliner spacecraft - with two astronauts onboard - are currently stuck in space.

UkraineIsTotallyFucked says

"They are not 'stuck' in space. SpaceX can send up a Dragon, if necessary."

In other words they are currently stuck in space.

The_Deplorable says

just_passing_through says

"So to me it's sort of like automatic cruise control for your car as an analogy except it just turns on."

How do you turn off cruise control if you do not know it exists?

How do you turn off cruise control if you do not know the definition of cruise control?

He literally said it in his comment you selectively quoted. You tap the brake. Never used cruise control? There's a button for that on the plane that I've linked multiple times.

"Oh shit this car is going out of control" tap the brake. It was an extremely good analogy. Pilots "should" know how to override the electronics and tap the brakes so to speak. They were trained on this regardless of ANY electronic system. Take complete control of the plane.

Again for the 10th teen time, this is an insurance issue where billions will be paid out. Pilot error and culpability will never happen with ANY airline. Insurers and attorneys found software that wasn't in the manual. Very smart to be honest. It does NOT mean the pilots couldn't have fixed the situation. This isn't an online argument or debate. This is fact. They were poorly trained pilots.

Fact is Sully putting the plane with no thrust in the Hudson, urban environment proves what training and decision making does. The pilots of Lion Air and Ethiopia Air failed. They had functioning engines and the ability to override a system they didn't know about. There was a procedure for that for all 737's. They weren't trained well or freaked out. This thread should just be deleted at this point. I've posted plenty of links.

The pilots knew the procedure 100%. They forgot how to do it or what to do in time. Pilot error. This is the consensus with almost every pilot that flies the 737. Boeing made the right decision to just take a bath on this. The door incident didn't help, but this was pilot error. Yet to see a link from someone that's not flown a fixed wing aircraft that is a military grifter #tammy.

The_Deplorable says

Boeing’s Starliner spacecraft - with two astronauts onboard - are currently stuck in space.

UkraineIsTotallyFucked says

"They are not 'stuck' in space. SpaceX can send up a Dragon, if necessary."

In other words they are currently stuck in space.

Would you go to space? I have no sympathy for them. Be it Boeing's fault, they took a risk in boarding a risky endeavor. Space X legit lets their rockets blowup for testing. I would NOT get a Boeing spacecraft. They are commercial aviation and military.

They likely spread themselves too thin in a market they'll never dominate. So proof I'm not a Boeing fan boy in my comments.

How do you turn off cruise control if you do not know it exists?
How do you turn off cruise control if you do not know the definition of cruise control?

WookieMan says

"He literally said it in his comment you selectively quoted. You tap
the brake."

Except if you do not know that a cruise controller exists and if you do not know the
definition of a cruise control, you are not going to tap the break.

Give it a rest. Have a nice day.

The_Deplorable says

Except if you do not know that a cruise controller exists and if you do not know the
definition of a cruise control, you are not going to tap the break.

Give it a rest. Have a nice day.

Nope. You tap the brake. Not giving this a rest. No company is flawless. Neither are pilots. There was an operation to stop any auto pilot, etc. These pilots didn't know what to do. Read articles on it, not Tammy Duckworth who knows nothing about fixed wing aircraft. People are dumping on DEI hires SHE was one of the first in the 90's. Someone that got a military job being hispanic looking and woman? They didn't let women fly planes during that time. She got to the choppa. Learn a bit about what you quote. She knows nothing about Boeing aircraft.

You don't know IL and you don't know our politicians. Tammy is a dip shit know nothing. Let me know when you meet with her.

https://finance.yahoo.com/news/boeing-blames-missing-paperwork-alaska-111838576.html

The_Deplorable says

https://finance.yahoo.com/news/boeing-blames-missing-paperwork-alaska-111838576.html

I wonder what the whistleblowers have to say about this.

...oh, wait.

The_Deplorable says

https://finance.yahoo.com/news/boeing-blames-missing-paperwork-alaska-111838576.html

If this is directed at me I haven't disputed the door incident.

That said I also check my air pressure on my tires weekly either electronically or manually. Simple maintenance is guess what? Simple. The aircraft should have been inspected to make sure it met spec. I'd call it a 50/50 liability issue. Boeing and Alaska. It was a custom order as well for the door. Your mechanics should double check that on delivery.

It appears no one has worked in manufacturing here on the labor side. Everyone on this forum has seen a sign I've made or assisted with. There will always be errors in manufacturing. I made errors at that age and even injured myself. For a product that goes 550mph I'd give them a passing grade. A few incidents doesn't make a bad company. No different than Trump grabbing them by the pussy, yet he was the best POTUS in most of our lifetimes, covid aside.

WookieMan says

The_Deplorable says

Except if you do not know that a cruise controller exists and if you do not know the
definition of a cruise control, you are not going to tap the break.

Give it a rest. Have a nice day.

Nope. You tap the brake. Not giving this a rest. No company is flawless. Neither are pilots. There was an operation to stop any auto pilot, etc. These pilots didn't know what to do. Read articles on it, not Tammy Duckworth who knows nothing about fixed wing aircraft.

Come on, Deplorable: don't you know by now?

He is an Expert on Aviation, Manufacturing, Top Management Corporate Ethics, and Military Combat.

You and me are clueless dumb-shits. Give it a rest.

B.A.C.A.H. says

You and me are clueless dumb-shits. Give it a rest.

Counter anything I've said besides whining. Quote something. Link something. Anything. I'll wait. In the meantime you can have a popsicle from the freezer. I won't tell mom.

https://babylonbee.com/cleanArticle/assange-plea-deal-includes-free-flight-home-on-a-boeing

WookieMan says

Quote something

Here's some quotes for you, Mr. Aviation / Manufacturing / Corporate Ethics / Military Combat Expert:

She's a fucking idiot

She's a 10th level dip shit

She lost her leg because she sucked at her job

You're The Expert!