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2024 Jan 18, 10:56pm   12,970 views  251 comments

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Boeing aircraft on fire over Miami Airport.

https://x.com/ChuckCallesto/status/1748236371351781726?s=20

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52   The_Deplorable   2024 Mar 17, 6:00pm  

WookieMan says
"Lol. They [Alaska Airlines] took control of the aircraft."

Irrelevant.

"Airlines have mechanics look it over for the 8-9 figure purchase they
just made. You do know this right?"

You seem unable to distinguish between facts from fiction. The US government requires
manufacturers to recall vehicles that have safety-related defects or do not meet Federal
safety standards. What makes you think that Boeing is an exception? No answer.
70   WookieMan   2024 Mar 18, 1:14am  

The_Deplorable says

You seem unable to distinguish between facts from fiction. The US government requires
manufacturers to recall vehicles that have safety-related defects or do not meet Federal
safety standards. What makes you think that Boeing is an exception? No answer.

This isn't a car the general public purchases. You're comparing apples to watermelons. This isn't John Doe buying a Chevy at the dealership. You're not understanding the corporate to corporate purchase. Alaska airlines is ultimately on the hook for this. They're the ones that are going to lose business from this. Boeing has a massive backlog of orders.

As a non-mechanic I look over everything on my car before purchasing. If there was something I didn't know about I'd have a mechanic look it over asap. Then take it back to the dealer and have it fixed. Airline mechanics and techs make a ton of money for a reason. There's not one product on the planet that is engineered perfectly 100% of the time. Alaskan airlines clearly didn't look over and take care of the aircraft.

I will never fly Lion Air or Ethiopian because they didn't train their pilots on a basic system for flight controls. Blame the Boeing MCAS system all you want, it was easy to override and was trained to US pilots. I won't fly Alaskan now because the mechanics missed stuff that was obvious a part of the plane that was easy to inspect in a day. This wasn't a brand new plane delivery and first flight.

The Max has a massive fleet already. This would be happening all the time. It's not. And guess what? No one died either. Totally shit engineering.... You must be the type that doesn't check your tires, brakes, oil and then goes and bitches to the manufacturer? Alaskan didn't take care of a 9 figure asset. There's not much else to this. Again this isn't a public to corporate purchase like a car. It's corporate to corporate. Totally different animal.
71   The_Deplorable   2024 Mar 18, 6:30pm  

WookieMan says
"I will never fly Lion Air or Ethiopian because they didn't train their pilots
on a basic system for flight controls."

Nonsense because they didn't know the plane was unstable and Boeing kept it a secret!
1. Boeing did not inform the airlines that the 737 MAX was unstable.
2. Boeing did not inform the pilots that the 737 MAX was unstable.
3. Boeing did not include this information, that the 737 MAX was unstable, in the pilot manual.

Training had nothing to do with these disasters. Lion Air and the Ethiopian planes crashed
because the planes were unstable.

Evidently, the Wright Brothers in December 1903 knew more about straight and level flight
than Boeing today.
73   DOGEWontAmountToShit   2024 Mar 18, 6:59pm  

UkraineIsTotallyFucked says

The_Deplorable says





https://www.zerohedge.com/markets/congressman-sold-boeing-stock-hours-doj-probe-was-announced


Trust me: they know exactly what dumpster they dropped his body in.


Little did I know how this would age well.
74   DOGEWontAmountToShit   2024 Mar 18, 8:11pm  

Yes, that is the Enola Gay. Also built by Boeing.


75   WookieMan   2024 Mar 19, 6:49am  

The_Deplorable says

Training had nothing to do with these disasters. Lion Air and the Ethiopian planes crashed
because the planes were unstable.

Totally false. How many Southwest pilots crashed a 737 Max? United? American? Delta? They had probably 10X more delivered and flying than either of those airlines. You are talking out your ass. Foreigners were not trained on how to override the system. And it was actually a safety system.

Read more aviation material and reports. You are 100% wrong. We'd have had 737's smashing into the ground everywhere if you were right. THEY WERE TRAINED. I've already posted links on this. You have an opinion, I provided facts. I'll be on one this afternoon. I have zero worries. None. Zilch. Be a fear mongerer. I'm not that weak to soak it up from someone that knows nothing about aviation and just reads headlines. When was the last time you flew? I think I know.....
76   B.A.C.A.H.   2024 Mar 19, 9:02am  

WookieMan says


Boeing missed things

Bro, the aerospace company managed by dishonest Stock-Price-Focused top management that you irrationally reflexively defend has not had a profitable year since last decade.

Last week's financial news included headlines about the company's debt being downgraded to junk.

Today's headline story is about them pondering in the news media some successful military sectors of the company in an effort to raise cash. Kind of like selling their future to raise some cash.

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2024-03-19/boeing-explores-defense-asset-sales-to-boost-balance-sheet

It's a company in a death spiral.
77   The_Deplorable   2024 Mar 19, 1:08pm  

WookieMan says
"How many Southwest pilots crashed a 737 Max? United? American? Delta?"

They were lucky because they did not have an angle of attack (AOA) sensor failure that forced
the Maneuvering Characteristics Augmentation System (MCAS) to engage. And back then the
pilots did not know about the MCAS system and they didn't know the plane was unstable.
Boeing kept it a secret.

You are speaking from ignorance, give it a rest.
78   B.A.C.A.H.   2024 Mar 19, 1:25pm  

The_Deplorable says


You are speaking from ignorance, give it a rest.

B.A.C.A.H. says


dishonest Stock-Price-Focused top management that you irrationally reflexively defend

Deplorable, he's not rational. My inner circle includes career aerospace engineers at the company who don't irrationally-reflexively defend the nefarious stuff while blaming pilots from abroad.

His posts are not rational. It's some weird twisted Southwest Airlines Air-Travel FanBoy thing.

WookieMan says

How many Southwest pilots crashed a 737 Max?
82   richwicks   2024 Mar 22, 9:43am  

The_Deplorable says




https://finance.yahoo.com/news/fbi-tells-alaska-airlines-passengers-101306191.html


Boeing is part of the MIC, nothing will happen to them. The US government will just bail them out.
83   HeadSet   2024 Mar 22, 3:19pm  

richwicks says

Boeing is part of the MIC, nothing will happen to them. The US government will just bail them out.

Yes, bet every now and then the MIC members need a reminder to tow the line.
84   RWSGFY   2024 Mar 22, 3:33pm  

The_Deplorable says




https://finance.yahoo.com/news/fbi-tells-alaska-airlines-passengers-101306191.html


I was talking with some pilots I know - all of them American-trained, some ex-USAF, some not - about that MCAS covfefe back when it was fresh. All pretty much agreed that it was more about weak pilot training than the MCAS itself. Any properly trained pilot would recognize the problem and swithch the fucking thing off in mere seconds, not fly into the ground after many minutes of struggling with it like these poor schmuks did.
85   The_Deplorable   2024 Mar 22, 6:35pm  

RWSGFY says
"I was talking with some pilots I know - all of them American-trained, some
ex-USAF, some not - about that MCAS covfefe back when it was fresh. All pretty much agreed
that it was more about weak pilot training than the MCAS itself."

This was proven wrong on flight simulators right after the Indonesian and Ethiopian crashes.
The flight simulators proved that there was not enough time for any pilot regardless of
experience
to get out of this deadly trap alive. Don't forget that Boeing did not inform the
airlines and the pilots about the 737 MAX instability and the presence of MCAS. That is why
Boeing was found criminally liable.
87   WookieMan   2024 Mar 30, 6:28am  

The_Deplorable says

RWSGFY says
"I was talking with some pilots I know - all of them American-trained, some
ex-USAF, some not - about that MCAS covfefe back when it was fresh. All pretty much agreed
that it was more about weak pilot training than the MCAS itself."

This was proven wrong on flight simulators right after the Indonesian and Ethiopian crashes.
The flight simulators proved that there was not enough time for any pilot regardless of
experience to get out of this deadly trap alive. Don't forget that Boeing did not inform the
airlines and the pilots about the 737 MAX instability and the presence of MCAS. That is why
Boeing was found criminally liable.

You keep saying this. I've already posted a video in the other Boeing thread. Go find it. From a commercial pilot that investigates any aviation accident. B.A.C.A.H. says

His posts are not rational. It's some weird twisted Southwest Airlines Air-Travel FanBoy thing.

Yours are far more irrational. You ask for links and info and I have 100% provided it on this topic. You guys are simply wrong. It has nothing to do with Southwest either. That's what I fly for free and is the biggest MAX customer. It's what I personally witness on pretty much a monthly basis. There are plenty of other airlines with the 737 MAX. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Boeing_737_MAX_orders_and_deliveries.

At no point has anyone explained or linked as to why an American trained pilot didn't crash the MAX. They had far more flights here than overseas airlines at the time. You can say it wasn't told to them but that's bullshit anyway you want to spin it. The airlines saw an opportunity to get money from Boeing and took it. You are TRAINED to manually fly a plane and override systems.

An American trained pilot is simply trained better regardless of the systems. They would know to shut systems down to regain control in seconds. I'll try to find the story on it. MCAS wasn't the problem. It was pilot error regardless if they knew about the system or not. Go search the other Boeing thread and watch the video I posted. You cats have posted nothing. I have a fucking FAA license. I'm an aviation junky and read want watch probably 20-60 minutes a day on it.

Talk to an actual pilot. I do every time I get on the damn plane. Sorry I can't link to my conversations. The airlines wanted money because their MAX fleet was grounded. I guess people don't understand business anymore... Jesus fucking christ. Thought you guys were smarter.
88   richwicks   2024 Mar 30, 10:33am  

WookieMan says


At no point has anyone explained or linked as to why an American trained pilot didn't crash the MAX.


I believe in general they had redundant angle of attack sensors. The planes have slightly different configurations. Basically, the faulty sensor detected a stall condition (falsely) and dove the nose into the ground.
89   WookieMan   2024 Mar 30, 11:06am  

richwicks says

Basically, the faulty sensor detected a stall condition (falsely) and dove the nose into the ground.

Which was correctable. That's been my point. They weren't trained to hand fly a jet properly without automation. The co-pilot on Ethiopian I believe had 200 hours TOTAL flight time. Not in that class of aircraft. I don't care how many hours the captain had. You need two pilots with at least 1,000 hours each minimum before even flying a 737.

People can blame MCAS all they want. American pilots knew how to fly. They actually bitched about it even though they didn't know. The airlines wanted to take Boeing to the cleaners cash wise because of four dip shit pilots that crashed planes. This is indisputable. News media ate it up. It was a cash grab from a mistake that shouldn't have been deadly with a trained pilot. Thousands of flights happened with the MAX before these idiots made a scene.

Do your own research. I'm not wrong. I think you know that too.
90   richwicks   2024 Mar 30, 11:12am  

WookieMan says


Which was correctable. That's been my point.


They crashed on takeoff. They weren't 5000 feet in the air. They were 50 feet in the air.

WookieMan says


People can blame MCAS all they want. American pilots knew how to fly. They actually bitched about it even though they didn't know. The airlines wanted to take Boeing to the cleaners cash wise because of four dip shit pilots that crashed planes


Possibly - TIME WILL TELL. I don't know why people argue about this shit. If Boeing has a systemic problem, believe me, it's going to show up in the next few years. You'll know for certain then.

The ONLY reason to argue this is if you're fucking working for Boeing and want to protect their reputation, or if you're just a dumb idiot that likes to argue and I know you're not really that, however I doubt you work for Boeing. My position, is fuck Boeing, and Lockheed, and Raytheon, etc - they are the motherfuckers that have kept this country in 20 years of war for their fucking profits. They literally are turning blood into money. Fuck them all.

Who cares? Let's say the Boeing has a systemic problem that is really dangerous? So what? It's still a lot safer than driving a car. Currently. If we really do diversity hires in critical areas, it's not going to be long before that's FORCIBLY corrected. We can't do this in a complex society.

When people are like "oh, these large companies will never fall", yeah they will. You don't hear much about diversity hires at Amazon, but they're not really a high tech company, they just sell disk space and virtual machines mostly. Google is going to fucking implode, regular normal people are starting to complain about it, and there ARE alternatives already up and running, ready to go. Facebook, people just flat out refuse to use because Fuckerberg is such an asshole, I don't know how well that works, but META imploded. Remember "Meta"?
91   WookieMan   2024 Mar 30, 11:47am  

They were 5k feet in the air. I'll link it again. It was pilot error. https://youtu.be/s3LrsvaCUoo?si=9X2XqcapDAYz8wry

It was knowing how to fly a plane without automation. They were afraid to shut it off because they had no fucking clue what they were doing. There are doctors that leave shit in humans during surgery, is that the hospitals fault? No, it's the doctor. Everyone just blames and sues the hospital.

This horse has been beaten dead at this point. You guys don't know WTF you're talking about.

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