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2024 Jan 20, 2:37pm   3,892 views  91 comments

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We Didn’t Start the Fire . . .
By eric -January 17, 2024



Putting out an EV fire is the other problem. One arising from the problem that EVs can – and do – catch fire spontaneously, which is a new problem.

It was once the case that a car didn’t catch fire unless someone else ran into it – or it ran into something else – at a speed high enough to puncture the gas tank and cause the sparks (from mashing metal) needed to ignite the leaking gas.

Cars didn’t just catch fire – while parked – unless someone put a lit rag in the gas filler neck.

EVs, on the other hand, can – and do – catch fire when parked. Maybe not often, but that is beside the point. People don’t often get AIDs, either. But it’s prudent to avoid situations where AIDs might be acquired.

https://youtu.be/itGeAq9rBeY?si=mppfpcgsXAeqJ_6Q

Just so, it is prudent to avoid situations that might lead to your house catching fire. As by leaving an EV parked in the garage. Or even in the driveway, for that matter – as EV fires burn extremely hot and are extremely difficult to extinguish.

This brings up another problem:Dealing with EV fires.

And paying for it all.

EV battery fires are not like ordinary fires, which can be extinguished with water and – once extinguished – are extinguished. EV battery packs are not only susceptible to spontaneous combustion, they are capable of spontaneous re-ignition. They also cause the emission of extremely toxic gasses – as opposed to the innocuous gas (carbon dioxide) arising from the burning (in an engine) of gasoline. We breath in C02 (along with oxygen and nitrogen) with every breath we take – with no harmful effects.

Breathe in some of the gasses emitted by an EV fire and see what it does to your health.

Ask a fireman about that.

They use heavy duty gear – including self-contained breathing systems – to avoid breathing the emissions of EV battery fires. Because they’d die if they didn’t.

And they have special, expensive additional equipment to deal with EV battery fires that can only be suppressed rather than extinguished. For example (as in the video above) a special blanket to wrap the EV in, so as to try to dampen the fire. The soldering hulk is then dragged onto a flatbed and convoyed – with escorts – to the junkyard, where it must be set as far away from the other junk that’s already there, in order to prevent the smoldering hulk from catching all of that on fire, too.

EVs can also catch fire – and keep burning – when exposed to water.

https://youtu.be/MocjA8G2saI?si=ByJZISnz_5Dy4VGD

Under water.

You can probably guess who’s going to pay for all of this.

Expect your property tax bill to go up (again) in order to provide the fire department in your town/county with the additional equipment it needs to deal with the problem of EV battery fires – arising from the EV problem of spontaneous combustion. In addition to the problem of EVs catching fire when struck in an accident, which they are more prone to because all that’s needed to start a runaway reaction is damage to the battery pack.

A spark – the second necessary factor in a gasoline fire – is not necessary for a conflagration.

Expect something else, too.

Expect your insurance – both car and home – to increase, even if you do not own an EV or park one anywhere near your home. The costs generated by those who do own them will be transferred over to you, just the same as the cost of throwing away an otherwise-repairable car that is an economic throw-away due to the cost of replacing multiple air bags relative to the value of the car, itself, is already reflected in the costs were forced to pay for the insurance we’re required to buy.

In addition to what we’re (effectively) forced to buy when we buy a new car equipped with the air bags we’re required to buy as part of the deal. It’s interesting to note that these “safety” devices also have a tendency to catch fire spontaneously – as when their “inflator” system spontaneously triggers and the bag blows up in the victim’s face.

The air bag risk can be reduced but never eliminated. Just the same as regards EV battery pack spontaneous combustion.

It is interesting that such risks are considered acceptable by the very same people who often insist that any risk they regard as “too risky” must be ameliorated by any means they say necessary, no matter how much it costs.

And no matter how little the gain.

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80   WookieMan   2024 Oct 3, 4:57am  

socal2 says

So silky smooth and quiet so you are not being an obnoxious douche while driving in traffic.

I can't stand loud and obnoxious cars and motorcycles specifically. As I've said before, I need utility and range. No EV can provide that yet. I appreciate that it's quiet, but that would be the only benefit for me. I don't need fancy infotainment screens and crap like that. No one does really. You should be driving and not distracted.

I tent camp, but I tow a trailer with about 500lbs of gear. Trailer itself is 1,200lb. Say I go to Ely, MN from northern IL, which I do. I'd need to charge 3 times maybe 4 over 550 miles and that's in areas of WI and MN that don't have many chargers. I'd stop 5 minutes for fuel in my SUV one time where a gas station is available every 5-10 miles.

It would need to be full charges as well. We're talking adding close to 3 hours on an already long road trip. Fine, one stop is for a sit down lunch, but that's assuming I can find a charger and then walk or uber to the restaurant. Likely have to detach the trailer, leave that unattended to get a full charge since they're generally not pull through. This is money, time and potential theft of my stuff.

Enjoy them if you do. I just don't see the value in them at all. Until I can get 400 miles on a charge with a trailer in 5 minutes with one stop, I will never buy one. Oh and fits 5 people in it comfortably. Which adds to the weight and less range which no one accounts for. Humans have mass. 3 boys that are all about to be teenagers weighing 120lbs plus, my 220lbs ass and my wife. That's 500-600lbs load just to move people. That would reduce range 5-10% likely.

DemocratsAreTotallyFucked says

Yes, EV Fluffers of PatNet! Do tell us what this light means...

Ceffer says

This is why I keep my golf cart about 20' away from my house. I'd never park it in a garage unless I had a sprinkler system. Forgot to talk to my insurance buddy about it, but I wonder if they're going to start asking on home owners insurance applications if you have an EV.

Not necessarily the battery, but the charging of the car inside the garage. How that's installed. I could see home owners insurance rates jumping if they own an EV.
81   zzyzzx   2024 Oct 3, 5:33am  

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-13918593/Florida-Hodges-family-Tesla-fire-burned-flooding-Hurricane-Helene.html

Florida family-of-nine narrowly escape wild blaze after Tesla burst into fireball during Hurricane Helene flooding
82   WookieMan   2024 Oct 3, 6:10am  

zzyzzx says

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-13918593/Florida-Hodges-family-Tesla-fire-burned-flooding-Hurricane-Helene.html

Florida family-of-nine narrowly escape wild blaze after Tesla burst into fireball during Hurricane Helene flooding

It's a pain, but I usually cover my golf cart after most uses, but especially if rain is in the forecast.

I accidentally arch'd (sp?) the battery terminals once. Holy fucking sparks. I wanna keep that thing dry, but not in my house. So cover it is. Helps with UV tire rot as well. Just a pain in the ass as I use it daily usually.
83   socal2   2024 Oct 3, 8:54am  

Teslas actually do pretty good driving through fresh water.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tzA0U53HF2g
https://www.tiktok.com/@6abcactionnews/video/7327816600290168106

But you definitely don't want to have those large batteries soaking in seawater for an extended periods of time and still parked in your garage.

Tesla instructs owners to park their Teslas on the street away from their houses if they are unable secure their homes and vehicles before an upcoming hurricane.

Even ICE cars will be totalled after soaking in seawater for a few hours.
84   DOGEWontAmountToShit   2024 Oct 3, 9:15am  

socal2 says

Even ICE cars will be totalled after soaking in seawater for a few hours.


But they don't catch on fire.
85   DOGEWontAmountToShit   2024 Nov 25, 1:30pm  

DOGEWontAmountToShit says

Hahahaha...Newsom outright declares that the EV bullshit is entirely political, nothing more:



86   WookieMan   2024 Nov 26, 4:33am  

DOGEWontAmountToShit says

DOGEWontAmountToShit says

Hahahaha...Newsom outright declares that the EV bullshit is entirely political, nothing more:

I've said it before. They're losing the MFT revenue. EV's actually are a massive gain for my family. Gives my wife work. 30-40% increase in income this year. A gain that most families don't see in a year of overall income. Keep buying them.

This EV thing is at a breaking point. Wear and tear on roads and they're not paying for it via fuel taxes. They're heavy. An EV will be more expensive than an ICE car once factoring overall purchase costs and new taxes coming your way. Enjoy the wild west for now EV owners. Times are charging errr I meant changing.
87   socal2   2024 Nov 26, 9:51am  

WookieMan says

Wear and tear on roads and they're not paying for it via fuel taxes. They're heavy.


Nope.....at least not Teslas who have much better battery/drive train management and doesn't require huge battery packs like the other EV makers.

- Tesla Model Y weighs between 4,154 and 4,404 lbs
- Ford Explorer weighs between 4,344 to 5,000 lbs

- Tesla Model 3 weighs between 3,862 to 4,054 lbs
- Toyota Camry weighs between 3,450 to 3,682 lbs
88   WookieMan   2024 Nov 26, 10:07am  

socal2 says

WookieMan says

Wear and tear on roads and they're not paying for it via fuel taxes. They're heavy.

Nope.....at least not Teslas who have much better battery/drive train management and doesn't require huge battery packs like the other EV makers.

- Tesla Model Y weighs between 4,154 and 4,404 lbs

Y is a crossover best case. My Armada is ~5,600lbs. Full sized and tows 9k lbs. 350 miles without stopping. Yes, I'm heavier, bigger, more utility and yup, I pay for that road.

You still prove my point. They are heavier cars and pay $0 in gas taxes. Now think of the coal being transported and the gas taxes your not paying for that power plant to get the coal there. Mell knows his biotech, I don't. So I don't challenge him. You're out of your element on this topic Socal/Donny.
89   socal2   2024 Nov 26, 10:25am  

WookieMan says

Now think of the coal being transported and the gas taxes your not paying for that power plant to get the coal there.


Think of all the wear and tear (and traffic gridlock) of tens of thousands of heavy gas tanker trucks driving all over our roads every single day to deliver gas to thousands of gas stations.
90   WookieMan   2024 Nov 26, 2:17pm  

socal2 says

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WookieMan says

Now think of the coal being transported and the gas taxes your not paying for that power plant to get the coal there.

Think of all the wear and tear (and traffic gridlock) of tens of thousands of heavy gas tanker trucks driving all over our roads every single day to deliver gas to thousands of gas stations.

They pay for it in gas tax and tolls.... EV's need to be taxed. This isn't even a debate. 4-5k lbs for an ICE F-150. 6.8k lbs for a Cyber Truck. The CT pays ZERO in taxes and can get a business write off. That money needs to be paid or your roads as shitty as they already are will get worse. I know this topic. Heavier cars and trucks paying no taxes will destroy your roads.

I'm 100% not wrong on this topic. How did your Tesla get shipped? On a huge car caravan that sucks gas but at least pays taxes. Roads are expensive AF. Another reason I'll own a beefy car that can handle shit roads. You EV guys are shooting yourselfs in the foot. Get a head of it before government tells you what you have to pay. You can get the number lower now. Especially in CA.
91   DOGEWontAmountToShit   2024 Nov 26, 3:42pm  

Thousands of new cars are rusting in a parking lot in Germany, no one is buying them anymore.

In the German city of Essen, about 6,000 new cars have filled a parking lot due to high prices and problems with the infrastructure for electric cars.

Among the abandoned cars are models of German auto brands Volkswagen and Audi. According to the employees of the site, the cars have been idle for more than six months.

“I have never encountered anything like this before, although I have been working here for more than 10 years.

Cars are only brought in, but almost no one drives them. People are not ready to pay such money for an electric car, and the development of charging stations and limited driving range scare off buyers," said one of the workers.

-> The government imposed the green agenda, now the carmaker go bankrupt …




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