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2024 Jan 20, 2:37pm 3,721 views 91 comments

We Didn’t Start the Fire . . .
By eric -January 17, 2024

Putting out an EV fire is the other problem. One arising from the problem that EVs can – and do – catch fire spontaneously, which is a new problem.

It was once the case that a car didn’t catch fire unless someone else ran into it – or it ran into something else – at a speed high enough to puncture the gas tank and cause the sparks (from mashing metal) needed to ignite the leaking gas.

Cars didn’t just catch fire – while parked – unless someone put a lit rag in the gas filler neck.

EVs, on the other hand, can – and do – catch fire when parked. Maybe not often, but that is beside the point. People don’t often get AIDs, either. But it’s prudent to avoid situations where AIDs might be acquired.

https://youtu.be/itGeAq9rBeY?si=mppfpcgsXAeqJ_6Q

Just so, it is prudent to avoid situations that might lead to your house catching fire. As by leaving an EV parked in the garage. Or even in the driveway, for that matter – as EV fires burn extremely hot and are extremely difficult to extinguish.

This brings up another problem:Dealing with EV fires.

And paying for it all.

EV battery fires are not like ordinary fires, which can be extinguished with water and – once extinguished – are extinguished. EV battery packs are not only susceptible to spontaneous combustion, they are capable of spontaneous re-ignition. They also cause the emission of extremely toxic gasses – as opposed to the innocuous gas (carbon dioxide) arising from the burning (in an engine) of gasoline. We breath in C02 (along with oxygen and nitrogen) with every breath we take – with no harmful effects.

Breathe in some of the gasses emitted by an EV fire and see what it does to your health.

Ask a fireman about that.

They use heavy duty gear – including self-contained breathing systems – to avoid breathing the emissions of EV battery fires. Because they’d die if they didn’t.

And they have special, expensive additional equipment to deal with EV battery fires that can only be suppressed rather than extinguished. For example (as in the video above) a special blanket to wrap the EV in, so as to try to dampen the fire. The soldering hulk is then dragged onto a flatbed and convoyed – with escorts – to the junkyard, where it must be set as far away from the other junk that’s already there, in order to prevent the smoldering hulk from catching all of that on fire, too.

EVs can also catch fire – and keep burning – when exposed to water.

https://youtu.be/MocjA8G2saI?si=ByJZISnz_5Dy4VGD

Under water.

You can probably guess who’s going to pay for all of this.

Expect your property tax bill to go up (again) in order to provide the fire department in your town/county with the additional equipment it needs to deal with the problem of EV battery fires – arising from the EV problem of spontaneous combustion. In addition to the problem of EVs catching fire when struck in an accident, which they are more prone to because all that’s needed to start a runaway reaction is damage to the battery pack.

A spark – the second necessary factor in a gasoline fire – is not necessary for a conflagration.

Expect something else, too.

Expect your insurance – both car and home – to increase, even if you do not own an EV or park one anywhere near your home. The costs generated by those who do own them will be transferred over to you, just the same as the cost of throwing away an otherwise-repairable car that is an economic throw-away due to the cost of replacing multiple air bags relative to the value of the car, itself, is already reflected in the costs were forced to pay for the insurance we’re required to buy.

In addition to what we’re (effectively) forced to buy when we buy a new car equipped with the air bags we’re required to buy as part of the deal. It’s interesting to note that these “safety” devices also have a tendency to catch fire spontaneously – as when their “inflator” system spontaneously triggers and the bag blows up in the victim’s face.

The air bag risk can be reduced but never eliminated. Just the same as regards EV battery pack spontaneous combustion.

It is interesting that such risks are considered acceptable by the very same people who often insist that any risk they regard as “too risky” must be ameliorated by any means they say necessary, no matter how much it costs.

And no matter how little the gain.

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RWSGFY 2024 Jul 25, 1:07pm

Fun fact: Hertz didn't offer a single EV at their Indianspolis airport location when I visited last spring.

GNL 2024 Jul 25, 1:12pm

socal2 says

GNL says

You mean you didn’t take your cyber truck?

Can't afford one yet.

Hmm, my bad. I was sure you were the one telling us that you bought one.

DOGEWontAmountToShit 2024 Aug 17, 9:23pm

Consumer Reports video on Tesla:

HeadSet 2024 Aug 18, 7:12am

DemocratsAreTotallyFucked says

Consumer Reports video on Tesla:

A Tesla's charge port is on the side of the car. Maybe she is thinking of the Buicks long ago that had the gas filler tube under the license plate. Just get behind the car, pull down the cover (license plate) stick in the tube and pump in the fluid.

WookieMan 2024 Aug 18, 9:05am

HeadSet says

A Tesla's charge port is on the side of the car. Maybe she is thinking of the Buicks long ago that had the gas filler tube under the license plate. Just get behind the car, pull down the cover (license plate) stick in the tube and pump in the fluid.

Besides the annoying tat sleeve, she's not wrong about Tesla. They're gay looking cars. The Cyber Truck is like the Pontiac Aztek. The only reason I'd get a cyber truck is as an investment. In 20-30 when it's "vintage" it will be worth a ton because they will stop production of them in the next 5 years after the market is saturated.

I'll beat the horse dead on this topic, but until they get a full sized SUV with range, I'll never buy one. Even then I'm not gonna fork over the likely $150k price tag it would require. And I don't have the patience to sit at a charging station for 30 minutes to get 200 more miles.

DOGEWontAmountToShit 2024 Aug 18, 9:39am

HeadSet says

A Tesla's charge port is on the side of the car

Looks to be in the back of the car to me. That's sure as hell not the front or middle. But not too far from where gasoline pumps go in ICE cars, too.

WookieMan 2024 Aug 18, 10:04am

DemocratsAreTotallyFucked says

Looks to be in the back of the car to me. That's sure as hell not the front or middle. But not too far from where gasoline pumps go in ICE cars, too.

Does it matter really? I know I wouldn't be caught driving that. What can it do? Haul a family of 4 to the local Chili's for dinner and then you have to plug it in at night. Sign me up.... not.

I probably live different than most users here is my guess. We do things with our vehicles. I tow at least twice a week. Regardless of the charging plug, what use is that car? Seriously. I'll take this 10 out of 10 times https://www.toyota.com/sequoia/

Has a 3rd row. ~9k towing capacity. Can fit 8. 400 miles on gas that takes 5 minutes to fill up tops. Is $30-40k cheaper than a Cyber Truck. So I've saved 6-8 years of gas and insurance already. I really want someone to change my mind on EV's. I don't want self driving. EV's cost more by 20% at least, so you're not saving money there. What is the point?

No one anywhere has sold me on them remotely. I have friends that have them and said it was a midlife crisis purchase and they just wanted one. No different than a corvette or some other sports car. I'm waiting for someone to come up with a logical reason to drop $20k more on a car than necessary.

RWSGFY 2024 Aug 18, 10:40am

I find statements like "oh, it's such a grind to go to a gas station once a two or three weeks" or "it's so hellishly tiresome to drive 300 miles on an Indiana freeway w/o a dozen of driver aids" hilariously overblown. It's not and it's not. Maybe (and if) I'm 90 and in poor health, but not now. Thank God.

DOGEWontAmountToShit 2024 Sep 20, 10:31am

August EV sales in Germany were down 69% y-o-y, and down 44% across the EU.

Wonder what they are for the US.

Eric Holder 2024 Sep 20, 1:59pm

Zee Germanz like to drive fast on the Authobahn and EVs are no bueno for that.

HeadSet 2024 Sep 20, 2:20pm

Eric Holder says

Zee Germanz like to drive fast on the Authobahn and EVs are no bueno for that.

?? Won't a Model S hold its own against Porshe, et al?

72 socal2 2024 Sep 20, 2:46pm

HeadSet says

?? Won't a Model S hold its own against Porshe, et al?

A Model S Plaid or Model 3 Ludicrous will smoke a Porsche and every other car on the road less than $250,000. Hell - my middle to low trim Model Y will smoke 98% of the cars on the road.

Germany's economy is tanking due to sky high energy prices due to their idiocy of dismantling their nuke plants and the war in Ukraine impacting their ability to get cheaper gas from Russia.

RWSGFY 2024 Sep 20, 3:55pm

HeadSet says

Eric Holder says

Zee Germanz like to drive fast on the Authobahn and EVs are no bueno for that.

?? Won't a Model S hold its own against Porshe, et al?

On Zee Autobahn? LOL

Here's a hint: the Cannonball run record time for gas cars is currently sitting at less than 26 hours. For EVs it's over 42 hrs. All you need to know.

74 socal2 2024 Sep 20, 4:09pm

RWSGFY says

Here's a hint: the Cannonball run record time for gas cars is currently sitting at less than 26 hours. For EVs it's over 42 hrs. All you need to know.

Good thing that 99.999% of the available US car market will never have to do a Cannonball run.

Would you be impressed if GM came out with a sedan that had a 150 gallon gas tank so it could drive coast to coast without stopping for fuel?

RWSGFY 2024 Sep 20, 4:13pm

socal2 says

RWSGFY says

Here's a hint: the Cannonball run record time for gas cars is currently sitting at less than 26 hours. For EVs it's over 42 hrs. All you need to know.

Good thing that 99.999% of the available US car market will never have to do a Cannonball run.

Would you be impressed if GM came out with a sedan that had a 150 gallon gas tank so it could drive coast to coast without stopping for fuel?

But we're talking about Zee Germanz and their beloved Autobahn, aren't we? If you ever driven Tesla you know that it gets very unhappy and loses range very fast when driven above 70 mph. 70 mph is painfully slow for Zee Autobahn. And if you drive at 120+
mph, you'll spend the better part of the day charging and recharging and recharging some more. Kinda like with EVs and towing.

WookieMan 2024 Sep 20, 6:24pm

socal2 says

HeadSet says

?? Won't a Model S hold its own against Porshe, et al?

A Model S Plaid or Model 3 Ludicrous will smoke a Porsche and every other car on the road less than $250,000. Hell - my middle to low trim Model Y will smoke 98% of the cars on the road.

Top end speed. No. Electric motors get tapped out. ICE can go ape shit top speed.

There would be land speed records with EV's. Nope. Hasn't happened. Your Tesla would get smashed by most high end ICE cars less that $250k.

The problem is you can't turn a wrench on an EV. I could make a Honda Civic faster than your Tesla. You're stuck with what you got. I personally don't care about small dick syndrome with speed and acceleration. My big dick needs utility. Not some zippy car that maybe can tow 2k lbs. without breaking.

77 socal2 2024 Sep 20, 7:32pm

WookieMan says

Top end speed. No. Electric motors get tapped out. ICE can go ape shit top speed.

Yeah - but we are talking about driving cars on public streets. Very few people (including Germans) have access to or are going sustained Autobahn speeds for hundreds of miles notstop.

A Tesla being able to get to the speed limit (and then some) instantly with all that nonstop and amazing feeling torque is what it is all about. It just never gets old. So silky smooth and quiet so you are not being an obnoxious douche while driving in traffic.

RWSGFY 2024 Sep 21, 7:46am

socal2 says

WookieMan says

Top end speed. No. Electric motors get tapped out. ICE can go ape shit top speed.

Yeah - but we are talking about driving cars on public streets. Very few people (including Germans) have access to or are going sustained Autobahn speeds for hundreds of miles notstop.

A Tesla being able to get to the speed limit (and then some) instantly with all that nonstop and amazing feeling torque is what it is all about. It just never gets old. So silky smooth and quiet so you are not being an obnoxious douche while driving in traffic.

And yet, Zee Germanz are not impressed. They want the Autobahn-driving capabilities in addition to stoplight boy-racer capabilities. Not that I see many ... scratch that ... any Teslas accelerating at even 10 sec to 60 mph rate on the streets.

DOGEWontAmountToShit 2024 Oct 2, 11:40pm

Yes, EV Fluffers of PatNet! Do tell us what this light means...

Ceffer says

WookieMan 2024 Oct 3, 4:57am

socal2 says

So silky smooth and quiet so you are not being an obnoxious douche while driving in traffic.

I can't stand loud and obnoxious cars and motorcycles specifically. As I've said before, I need utility and range. No EV can provide that yet. I appreciate that it's quiet, but that would be the only benefit for me. I don't need fancy infotainment screens and crap like that. No one does really. You should be driving and not distracted.

I tent camp, but I tow a trailer with about 500lbs of gear. Trailer itself is 1,200lb. Say I go to Ely, MN from northern IL, which I do. I'd need to charge 3 times maybe 4 over 550 miles and that's in areas of WI and MN that don't have many chargers. I'd stop 5 minutes for fuel in my SUV one time where a gas station is available every 5-10 miles.

It would need to be full charges as well. We're talking adding close to 3 hours on an already long road trip. Fine, one stop is for a sit down lunch, but that's assuming I can find a charger and then walk or uber to the restaurant. Likely have to detach the trailer, leave that unattended to get a full charge since they're generally not pull through. This is money, time and potential theft of my stuff.

Enjoy them if you do. I just don't see the value in them at all. Until I can get 400 miles on a charge with a trailer in 5 minutes with one stop, I will never buy one. Oh and fits 5 people in it comfortably. Which adds to the weight and less range which no one accounts for. Humans have mass. 3 boys that are all about to be teenagers weighing 120lbs plus, my 220lbs ass and my wife. That's 500-600lbs load just to move people. That would reduce range 5-10% likely.

DemocratsAreTotallyFucked says

Yes, EV Fluffers of PatNet! Do tell us what this light means...

Ceffer says

This is why I keep my golf cart about 20' away from my house. I'd never park it in a garage unless I had a sprinkler system. Forgot to talk to my insurance buddy about it, but I wonder if they're going to start asking on home owners insurance applications if you have an EV.

Not necessarily the battery, but the charging of the car inside the garage. How that's installed. I could see home owners insurance rates jumping if they own an EV.

zzyzzx 2024 Oct 3, 5:33am

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-13918593/Florida-Hodges-family-Tesla-fire-burned-flooding-Hurricane-Helene.html

Florida family-of-nine narrowly escape wild blaze after Tesla burst into fireball during Hurricane Helene flooding

WookieMan 2024 Oct 3, 6:10am

zzyzzx says

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-13918593/Florida-Hodges-family-Tesla-fire-burned-flooding-Hurricane-Helene.html

Florida family-of-nine narrowly escape wild blaze after Tesla burst into fireball during Hurricane Helene flooding

It's a pain, but I usually cover my golf cart after most uses, but especially if rain is in the forecast.

I accidentally arch'd (sp?) the battery terminals once. Holy fucking sparks. I wanna keep that thing dry, but not in my house. So cover it is. Helps with UV tire rot as well. Just a pain in the ass as I use it daily usually.

83 socal2 2024 Oct 3, 8:54am

Teslas actually do pretty good driving through fresh water.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tzA0U53HF2g
https://www.tiktok.com/@6abcactionnews/video/7327816600290168106

But you definitely don't want to have those large batteries soaking in seawater for an extended periods of time and still parked in your garage.

Tesla instructs owners to park their Teslas on the street away from their houses if they are unable secure their homes and vehicles before an upcoming hurricane.

Even ICE cars will be totalled after soaking in seawater for a few hours.

DOGEWontAmountToShit 2024 Oct 3, 9:15am

socal2 says

Even ICE cars will be totalled after soaking in seawater for a few hours.

But they don't catch on fire.

DOGEWontAmountToShit 2024 Nov 25, 1:30pm

DOGEWontAmountToShit says

Hahahaha...Newsom outright declares that the EV bullshit is entirely political, nothing more:

WookieMan 2024 Nov 26, 4:33am

DOGEWontAmountToShit says

DOGEWontAmountToShit says

Hahahaha...Newsom outright declares that the EV bullshit is entirely political, nothing more:

I've said it before. They're losing the MFT revenue. EV's actually are a massive gain for my family. Gives my wife work. 30-40% increase in income this year. A gain that most families don't see in a year of overall income. Keep buying them.

This EV thing is at a breaking point. Wear and tear on roads and they're not paying for it via fuel taxes. They're heavy. An EV will be more expensive than an ICE car once factoring overall purchase costs and new taxes coming your way. Enjoy the wild west for now EV owners. Times are charging errr I meant changing.

87 socal2 2024 Nov 26, 9:51am

WookieMan says

Wear and tear on roads and they're not paying for it via fuel taxes. They're heavy.

Nope.....at least not Teslas who have much better battery/drive train management and doesn't require huge battery packs like the other EV makers.

- Tesla Model Y weighs between 4,154 and 4,404 lbs
- Ford Explorer weighs between 4,344 to 5,000 lbs

- Tesla Model 3 weighs between 3,862 to 4,054 lbs
- Toyota Camry weighs between 3,450 to 3,682 lbs

WookieMan 2024 Nov 26, 10:07am

socal2 says

WookieMan says

Wear and tear on roads and they're not paying for it via fuel taxes. They're heavy.

Nope.....at least not Teslas who have much better battery/drive train management and doesn't require huge battery packs like the other EV makers.

- Tesla Model Y weighs between 4,154 and 4,404 lbs

Y is a crossover best case. My Armada is ~5,600lbs. Full sized and tows 9k lbs. 350 miles without stopping. Yes, I'm heavier, bigger, more utility and yup, I pay for that road.

You still prove my point. They are heavier cars and pay $0 in gas taxes. Now think of the coal being transported and the gas taxes your not paying for that power plant to get the coal there. Mell knows his biotech, I don't. So I don't challenge him. You're out of your element on this topic Socal/Donny.

89 socal2 2024 Nov 26, 10:25am

WookieMan says

Now think of the coal being transported and the gas taxes your not paying for that power plant to get the coal there.

Think of all the wear and tear (and traffic gridlock) of tens of thousands of heavy gas tanker trucks driving all over our roads every single day to deliver gas to thousands of gas stations.

WookieMan 2024 Nov 26, 2:17pm

socal2 says

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WookieMan says

Now think of the coal being transported and the gas taxes your not paying for that power plant to get the coal there.

Think of all the wear and tear (and traffic gridlock) of tens of thousands of heavy gas tanker trucks driving all over our roads every single day to deliver gas to thousands of gas stations.

They pay for it in gas tax and tolls.... EV's need to be taxed. This isn't even a debate. 4-5k lbs for an ICE F-150. 6.8k lbs for a Cyber Truck. The CT pays ZERO in taxes and can get a business write off. That money needs to be paid or your roads as shitty as they already are will get worse. I know this topic. Heavier cars and trucks paying no taxes will destroy your roads.

I'm 100% not wrong on this topic. How did your Tesla get shipped? On a huge car caravan that sucks gas but at least pays taxes. Roads are expensive AF. Another reason I'll own a beefy car that can handle shit roads. You EV guys are shooting yourselfs in the foot. Get a head of it before government tells you what you have to pay. You can get the number lower now. Especially in CA.

DOGEWontAmountToShit 2024 Nov 26, 3:42pm

Thousands of new cars are rusting in a parking lot in Germany, no one is buying them anymore.

In the German city of Essen, about 6,000 new cars have filled a parking lot due to high prices and problems with the infrastructure for electric cars.

Among the abandoned cars are models of German auto brands Volkswagen and Audi. According to the employees of the site, the cars have been idle for more than six months.

“I have never encountered anything like this before, although I have been working here for more than 10 years.

Cars are only brought in, but almost no one drives them. People are not ready to pay such money for an electric car, and the development of charging stations and limited driving range scare off buyers," said one of the workers.

-> The government imposed the green agenda, now the carmaker go bankrupt …

https://x.com/MyLordBebo/status/1861465530600722579

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