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2024 Jan 20, 2:37pm   6,995 views  121 comments

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We Didn’t Start the Fire . . .
By eric -January 17, 2024



Putting out an EV fire is the other problem. One arising from the problem that EVs can – and do – catch fire spontaneously, which is a new problem.

It was once the case that a car didn’t catch fire unless someone else ran into it – or it ran into something else – at a speed high enough to puncture the gas tank and cause the sparks (from mashing metal) needed to ignite the leaking gas.

Cars didn’t just catch fire – while parked – unless someone put a lit rag in the gas filler neck.

EVs, on the other hand, can – and do – catch fire when parked. Maybe not often, but that is beside the point. People don’t often get AIDs, either. But it’s prudent to avoid situations where AIDs might be acquired.

https://youtu.be/itGeAq9rBeY?si=mppfpcgsXAeqJ_6Q

Just so, it is prudent to avoid situations that might lead to your house catching fire. As by leaving an EV parked in the garage. Or even in the driveway, for that matter – as EV fires burn extremely hot and are extremely difficult to extinguish.

This brings up another problem:Dealing with EV fires.

And paying for it all.

EV battery fires are not like ordinary fires, which can be extinguished with water and – once extinguished – are extinguished. EV battery packs are not only susceptible to spontaneous combustion, they are capable of spontaneous re-ignition. They also cause the emission of extremely toxic gasses – as opposed to the innocuous gas (carbon dioxide) arising from the burning (in an engine) of gasoline. We breath in C02 (along with oxygen and nitrogen) with every breath we take – with no harmful effects.

Breathe in some of the gasses emitted by an EV fire and see what it does to your health.

Ask a fireman about that.

They use heavy duty gear – including self-contained breathing systems – to avoid breathing the emissions of EV battery fires. Because they’d die if they didn’t.

And they have special, expensive additional equipment to deal with EV battery fires that can only be suppressed rather than extinguished. For example (as in the video above) a special blanket to wrap the EV in, so as to try to dampen the fire. The soldering hulk is then dragged onto a flatbed and convoyed – with escorts – to the junkyard, where it must be set as far away from the other junk that’s already there, in order to prevent the smoldering hulk from catching all of that on fire, too.

EVs can also catch fire – and keep burning – when exposed to water.

https://youtu.be/MocjA8G2saI?si=ByJZISnz_5Dy4VGD

Under water.

You can probably guess who’s going to pay for all of this.

Expect your property tax bill to go up (again) in order to provide the fire department in your town/county with the additional equipment it needs to deal with the problem of EV battery fires – arising from the EV problem of spontaneous combustion. In addition to the problem of EVs catching fire when struck in an accident, which they are more prone to because all that’s needed to start a runaway reaction is damage to the battery pack.

A spark – the second necessary factor in a gasoline fire – is not necessary for a conflagration.

Expect something else, too.

Expect your insurance – both car and home – to increase, even if you do not own an EV or park one anywhere near your home. The costs generated by those who do own them will be transferred over to you, just the same as the cost of throwing away an otherwise-repairable car that is an economic throw-away due to the cost of replacing multiple air bags relative to the value of the car, itself, is already reflected in the costs were forced to pay for the insurance we’re required to buy.

In addition to what we’re (effectively) forced to buy when we buy a new car equipped with the air bags we’re required to buy as part of the deal. It’s interesting to note that these “safety” devices also have a tendency to catch fire spontaneously – as when their “inflator” system spontaneously triggers and the bag blows up in the victim’s face.

The air bag risk can be reduced but never eliminated. Just the same as regards EV battery pack spontaneous combustion.

It is interesting that such risks are considered acceptable by the very same people who often insist that any risk they regard as “too risky” must be ameliorated by any means they say necessary, no matter how much it costs.

And no matter how little the gain.

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103   RWSGFY   2025 Feb 6, 12:09pm  

DOGEWontAmountToShit says






Don't forget the insurance premiums.
105   MolotovCocktail   2025 Feb 17, 6:50pm  

RWSGFY says

DOGEWontAmountToShit says







Don't forget the insurance premiums.


@socal2 likes the ride, remember?
106   RWSGFY   2025 Feb 18, 10:14am  

OkDOGEisAmountingToSomething says

RWSGFY says


DOGEWontAmountToShit says








Don't forget the insurance premiums.



socal2 likes the ride, remember?


His money - his choice.
107   WookieMan   2025 Feb 18, 9:16pm  

RWSGFY says

His money - his choice.

Yeah, I likely won't ever buy one, but if he's happy with it who gives a shit? My EV is a golf cart and I can zip around town no problem. This time of year no at 1ºF. Spring through fall it's fun.

I drive too far at least monthly. I can't have range anxiety and need towing capacity. Nothing provides that for under $100k. Not doing that.
108   RWSGFY   2025 Mar 26, 4:30pm  

Edmunds reported in July 2024 that 51 percent of Teslas traded in at dealerships in the first half of the year were swapped for gas-powered vehicles. And when Edmunds analyzed trade-ins all the way back in 2019, Tesla owners exchanged 71 percent of their models for gas vehicles—not replacement EVs or hybrids.
109   GNL   2025 Mar 26, 6:49pm  

RWSGFY says

Edmunds reported in July 2024 that 51 percent of Teslas traded in at dealerships in the first half of the year were swapped for gas-powered vehicles. And when Edmunds analyzed trade-ins all the way back in 2019, Tesla owners exchanged 71 percent of their models for gas vehicles—not replacement EVs or hybrids.


Every Tesla owner I've ever spoken to in person, has said they will not buy another one.
110   socal2   2025 Mar 26, 7:35pm  

GNL says


Every Tesla owner I've ever spoken to in person, has said they will not buy another one.


Are your Tesla driving friends a bunch of Antifa commies and trannies?

Tesla has one of the highest brand loyalty rates in the auto industry.
https://cleantechnica.com/2024/04/11/tesla-leading-in-auto-brand-loyalty/#google_vignette
112   MolotovCocktail   2025 Apr 15, 9:03am  

socal2 says

Tesla has one of the highest brand loyalty rates in the auto industry.
https://cleantechnica.com/2024/04/11/tesla-leading-in-auto-brand-loyalty/#google_vignette


That was posted a year ago. Lot has since changed. Esp for Libtards who have overwhelmingly been buyers of Teslas.
113   socal2   2025 Apr 15, 9:43am  

MolotovCocktail says

That was posted a year ago. Lot has since changed. Esp for Libtards who have overwhelmingly been buyers of Teslas.


Yes - I already pointed out the Leftist Commies and Trannies hate Tesla now. Good thing that most of them are too lazy to work to afford a car in the first place.

Has nothing to do with the quality of the product.
114   GNL   2025 Apr 15, 9:46am  

I only mentioned my own personal experience.
115   Fortwaye   2025 Apr 15, 10:03am  

socal2 says

MolotovCocktail says


That was posted a year ago. Lot has since changed. Esp for Libtards who have overwhelmingly been buyers of Teslas.


Yes - I already pointed out the Leftist Commies and Trannies hate Tesla now. Good thing that most of them are too lazy to work to afford a car in the first place.

Has nothing to do with the quality of the product.


dude a lot of leftists are very well off, some very wealthy people there.
116   WookieMan   2025 Apr 15, 11:51am  

socal2 says

Tesla has one of the highest brand loyalty rates in the auto industry.

Does that lead to sales though? I love my Nissan SUV. Driving that until it breaks. I'd buy another in a heartbeat, but if you build good cars that's 7-10 years. Nearing 250k miles and 11 years. So far I don't need to buy a new one.

I'll probably get a new(ish) one for me when the oldest is close to 16. Although in our area we let them drive alone at 15 so that might be in the next 6 months.

Brand loyalty doesn't really mean much if you build good cars. There's not much more tech that you can put in a car at this point, if you even want it. If people are trading in and selling Teslas that's not a good sign. Most are likely lower mileage. I'm not sure if that's loyalty or politics, but like I said, not a good sign for the brand.

I haven't looked at Tesla quarterlies or K10, but there will be evidence there. Not just the press piece either, the whole thing.
118   RWSGFY   2025 Apr 17, 8:49pm  

Tesla (TSLA.O) faces a proposed class action claiming it speeds up odometers on its electric vehicles so they fall out of warranty faster, saving Elon Musk's company from having to pay for repairs.
The plaintiff Nyree Hinton alleged that Tesla odometer readings reflect energy consumption, driver behavior and "predictive algorithms" rather than actual mileage driven.
He said the odometer on the 2020 Model Y he bought in December 2022 with 36,772 miles on the clock ran at least 15% fast, based on his other vehicles and driving history, and for a while said he drove 72 miles a day when at most he drove 20.
Hinton, a Los Angeles resident, said this caused his 50,000-mile basic warranty to expire well ahead of schedule, leaving him with a $10,000 suspension repair bill that he thought Tesla should cover.
"By tying warranty limits and lease mileage caps to inflated 'odometer' readings, Tesla increases repair revenue, reduces warranty obligations, and compels consumers to purchase extended warranties prematurely," the complaint said.
119   WookieMan   2025 Apr 18, 4:13am  

RWSGFY says

caused his 50,000-mile basic warranty to expire well ahead of schedule, leaving him with a $10,000 suspension repair bill that he thought Tesla should cover."By tying warranty limits and lease mileage caps to inflated 'odometer' readings, Tesla increases repair revenue, reduces warranty obligations, and compels consumers to purchase extended warranties prematurely," the complaint said.

How in the flying fuck do you need suspension work at 50k miles?? $10k is a full rebuild, like take the axels off and put new ones on. I just did my suspension at 220k miles and it was $800. I sniff bull shit in this story.

I dislike EV's, but if they're not getting 50k miles out of a suspension they're shit cars. And if it cost $10k, get fucked. I get the point is the odometer, but that means the suspension goes under 50k miles? Am I right? That's a shit car.
120   HeadSet   2025 Apr 18, 2:58pm  

RWSGFY says

He said the odometer on the 2020 Model Y he bought in December 2022 with 36,772 miles on the clock ran at least 15% fast, based on his other vehicles and driving history

Too easy to check. Just take the vehicle to a measured mile. Or even easier, start at a mile marker on the interstate and drive 10 miles and see how the mileage markers compare to the odo.
121   WookieMan   2025 Apr 18, 3:16pm  

HeadSet says

RWSGFY says
He said the odometer on the 2020 Model Y he bought in December 2022 with 36,772 miles on the clock ran at least 15% fast, based on his other vehicles and driving history

Too easy to check. Just take the vehicle to a measured mile. Or even easier, start at a mile marker on the interstate and drive 10 miles and see how the mileage markers compare to the odo.

Probably have to do 100 miles at least to prove anything. Either way everything is all digital now so an odometer being off for a warranty wouldn't shock me. I like DOGE, don't care for Tesla and am indifferent with Musk. If true he's really backing himself into a corner. He's gotta do some damage control at this point at least for shareholder (I'm not one unless it's in a fund).

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