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Not everyone can be smart. EV madness.


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2024 Jan 20, 2:37pm   6,603 views  121 comments

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We Didn’t Start the Fire . . .
By eric -January 17, 2024



Putting out an EV fire is the other problem. One arising from the problem that EVs can – and do – catch fire spontaneously, which is a new problem.

It was once the case that a car didn’t catch fire unless someone else ran into it – or it ran into something else – at a speed high enough to puncture the gas tank and cause the sparks (from mashing metal) needed to ignite the leaking gas.

Cars didn’t just catch fire – while parked – unless someone put a lit rag in the gas filler neck.

EVs, on the other hand, can – and do – catch fire when parked. Maybe not often, but that is beside the point. People don’t often get AIDs, either. But it’s prudent to avoid situations where AIDs might be acquired.

https://youtu.be/itGeAq9rBeY?si=mppfpcgsXAeqJ_6Q

Just so, it is prudent to avoid situations that might lead to your house catching fire. As by leaving an EV parked in the garage. Or even in the driveway, for that matter – as EV fires burn extremely hot and are extremely difficult to extinguish.

This brings up another problem:Dealing with EV fires.

And paying for it all.

EV battery fires are not like ordinary fires, which can be extinguished with water and – once extinguished – are extinguished. EV battery packs are not only susceptible to spontaneous combustion, they are capable of spontaneous re-ignition. They also cause the emission of extremely toxic gasses – as opposed to the innocuous gas (carbon dioxide) arising from the burning (in an engine) of gasoline. We breath in C02 (along with oxygen and nitrogen) with every breath we take – with no harmful effects.

Breathe in some of the gasses emitted by an EV fire and see what it does to your health.

Ask a fireman about that.

They use heavy duty gear – including self-contained breathing systems – to avoid breathing the emissions of EV battery fires. Because they’d die if they didn’t.

And they have special, expensive additional equipment to deal with EV battery fires that can only be suppressed rather than extinguished. For example (as in the video above) a special blanket to wrap the EV in, so as to try to dampen the fire. The soldering hulk is then dragged onto a flatbed and convoyed – with escorts – to the junkyard, where it must be set as far away from the other junk that’s already there, in order to prevent the smoldering hulk from catching all of that on fire, too.

EVs can also catch fire – and keep burning – when exposed to water.

https://youtu.be/MocjA8G2saI?si=ByJZISnz_5Dy4VGD

Under water.

You can probably guess who’s going to pay for all of this.

Expect your property tax bill to go up (again) in order to provide the fire department in your town/county with the additional equipment it needs to deal with the problem of EV battery fires – arising from the EV problem of spontaneous combustion. In addition to the problem of EVs catching fire when struck in an accident, which they are more prone to because all that’s needed to start a runaway reaction is damage to the battery pack.

A spark – the second necessary factor in a gasoline fire – is not necessary for a conflagration.

Expect something else, too.

Expect your insurance – both car and home – to increase, even if you do not own an EV or park one anywhere near your home. The costs generated by those who do own them will be transferred over to you, just the same as the cost of throwing away an otherwise-repairable car that is an economic throw-away due to the cost of replacing multiple air bags relative to the value of the car, itself, is already reflected in the costs were forced to pay for the insurance we’re required to buy.

In addition to what we’re (effectively) forced to buy when we buy a new car equipped with the air bags we’re required to buy as part of the deal. It’s interesting to note that these “safety” devices also have a tendency to catch fire spontaneously – as when their “inflator” system spontaneously triggers and the bag blows up in the victim’s face.

The air bag risk can be reduced but never eliminated. Just the same as regards EV battery pack spontaneous combustion.

It is interesting that such risks are considered acceptable by the very same people who often insist that any risk they regard as “too risky” must be ameliorated by any means they say necessary, no matter how much it costs.

And no matter how little the gain.

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83   socal2   2024 Oct 3, 8:54am  

Teslas actually do pretty good driving through fresh water.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tzA0U53HF2g
https://www.tiktok.com/@6abcactionnews/video/7327816600290168106

But you definitely don't want to have those large batteries soaking in seawater for an extended periods of time and still parked in your garage.

Tesla instructs owners to park their Teslas on the street away from their houses if they are unable secure their homes and vehicles before an upcoming hurricane.

Even ICE cars will be totalled after soaking in seawater for a few hours.
84   MolotovCocktail   2024 Oct 3, 9:15am  

socal2 says

Even ICE cars will be totalled after soaking in seawater for a few hours.


But they don't catch on fire.
85   MolotovCocktail   2024 Nov 25, 1:30pm  

DOGEWontAmountToShit says

Hahahaha...Newsom outright declares that the EV bullshit is entirely political, nothing more:



86   WookieMan   2024 Nov 26, 4:33am  

DOGEWontAmountToShit says

DOGEWontAmountToShit says

Hahahaha...Newsom outright declares that the EV bullshit is entirely political, nothing more:

I've said it before. They're losing the MFT revenue. EV's actually are a massive gain for my family. Gives my wife work. 30-40% increase in income this year. A gain that most families don't see in a year of overall income. Keep buying them.

This EV thing is at a breaking point. Wear and tear on roads and they're not paying for it via fuel taxes. They're heavy. An EV will be more expensive than an ICE car once factoring overall purchase costs and new taxes coming your way. Enjoy the wild west for now EV owners. Times are charging errr I meant changing.
87   socal2   2024 Nov 26, 9:51am  

WookieMan says

Wear and tear on roads and they're not paying for it via fuel taxes. They're heavy.


Nope.....at least not Teslas who have much better battery/drive train management and doesn't require huge battery packs like the other EV makers.

- Tesla Model Y weighs between 4,154 and 4,404 lbs
- Ford Explorer weighs between 4,344 to 5,000 lbs

- Tesla Model 3 weighs between 3,862 to 4,054 lbs
- Toyota Camry weighs between 3,450 to 3,682 lbs
88   WookieMan   2024 Nov 26, 10:07am  

socal2 says

WookieMan says

Wear and tear on roads and they're not paying for it via fuel taxes. They're heavy.

Nope.....at least not Teslas who have much better battery/drive train management and doesn't require huge battery packs like the other EV makers.

- Tesla Model Y weighs between 4,154 and 4,404 lbs

Y is a crossover best case. My Armada is ~5,600lbs. Full sized and tows 9k lbs. 350 miles without stopping. Yes, I'm heavier, bigger, more utility and yup, I pay for that road.

You still prove my point. They are heavier cars and pay $0 in gas taxes. Now think of the coal being transported and the gas taxes your not paying for that power plant to get the coal there. Mell knows his biotech, I don't. So I don't challenge him. You're out of your element on this topic Socal/Donny.
89   socal2   2024 Nov 26, 10:25am  

WookieMan says

Now think of the coal being transported and the gas taxes your not paying for that power plant to get the coal there.


Think of all the wear and tear (and traffic gridlock) of tens of thousands of heavy gas tanker trucks driving all over our roads every single day to deliver gas to thousands of gas stations.
90   WookieMan   2024 Nov 26, 2:17pm  

socal2 says

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WookieMan says

Now think of the coal being transported and the gas taxes your not paying for that power plant to get the coal there.

Think of all the wear and tear (and traffic gridlock) of tens of thousands of heavy gas tanker trucks driving all over our roads every single day to deliver gas to thousands of gas stations.

They pay for it in gas tax and tolls.... EV's need to be taxed. This isn't even a debate. 4-5k lbs for an ICE F-150. 6.8k lbs for a Cyber Truck. The CT pays ZERO in taxes and can get a business write off. That money needs to be paid or your roads as shitty as they already are will get worse. I know this topic. Heavier cars and trucks paying no taxes will destroy your roads.

I'm 100% not wrong on this topic. How did your Tesla get shipped? On a huge car caravan that sucks gas but at least pays taxes. Roads are expensive AF. Another reason I'll own a beefy car that can handle shit roads. You EV guys are shooting yourselfs in the foot. Get a head of it before government tells you what you have to pay. You can get the number lower now. Especially in CA.
91   MolotovCocktail   2024 Nov 26, 3:42pm  

Thousands of new cars are rusting in a parking lot in Germany, no one is buying them anymore.

In the German city of Essen, about 6,000 new cars have filled a parking lot due to high prices and problems with the infrastructure for electric cars.

Among the abandoned cars are models of German auto brands Volkswagen and Audi. According to the employees of the site, the cars have been idle for more than six months.

“I have never encountered anything like this before, although I have been working here for more than 10 years.

Cars are only brought in, but almost no one drives them. People are not ready to pay such money for an electric car, and the development of charging stations and limited driving range scare off buyers," said one of the workers.

-> The government imposed the green agenda, now the carmaker go bankrupt …




https://x.com/MyLordBebo/status/1861465530600722579
94   Ceffer   2025 Jan 2, 3:17pm  

First thing I'd do if I insisted on an EV: put in mechanical door locks and crank window risers.
95   WookieMan   2025 Jan 2, 4:29pm  

DOGEWontAmountToShit says

DOGEWontAmountToShit says







They aren't paying for road upkeep either and they're heavy. I'd probably unplug one. I'm that guy. I don't like memes, but that's a good one. Cleary not a charging station. Yet in public somewhere.

I don't think EV owners realize that their roads are fucked in 5 years with no MFT's if it gets to 10-15% ownership rates #CA. I hate taxes, but we need roads to function and it has been the best way to fund them.
96   MolotovCocktail   2025 Jan 2, 4:45pm  

WookieMan says

it gets to 10-15% ownership rates #


Won't get there. Grid can't handle it.
97   WookieMan   2025 Jan 2, 4:58pm  

DOGEWontAmountToShit says

Won't get there. Grid can't handle it.

Agree. Roads can't though either. Freeze thaw is a biggie, but weight of vehicle is in the same realm. They're heavier cars. And don't pay the taxes like ICE drivers do. Then free charging and government incentives to subsidize the sales. It's a joke.
99   WookieMan   2025 Jan 15, 12:47am  

Ceffer says





Hell the CA residents that lost their homes and had only Teslas when you evacuated. I'm sure the super chargers have no lines at all (eye roll) and won't for years. I suspect the inventory of used Teslas is going to skyrocket over the next year at least.

If you can afford transport out of state and have wanted a low mile Tesla I'd be looking at used in 6 months in the LA area. I think a lot of people are going to dump them. I'd bet the homeowners in the areas burning 1 Tesla per house or .75 if averaged out.

Basically I think the fire is a bigger issue for Tesla as EV owners freak out. Hotels only have so many chargers. CA has the most super chargers, but what happens when the next big quake hits? Or more fires? That has to go through intelligent people's minds. You can drive 400 miles in most cars on a single tank. Gas stations were designed for that.

The cold weather is a massive issue. You get stranded here in IL right now at 5ºF, enjoy with no heat or power. If a husband or wife have a Tesla around here they have to have a third ICE vehicle. So at minimum you're insuring and maintaining another car that you won't use in the summer. I guess that's cheaper than gas... said no one.
103   RWSGFY   2025 Feb 6, 12:09pm  

DOGEWontAmountToShit says






Don't forget the insurance premiums.
105   MolotovCocktail   2025 Feb 17, 6:50pm  

RWSGFY says

DOGEWontAmountToShit says







Don't forget the insurance premiums.


@socal2 likes the ride, remember?
106   RWSGFY   2025 Feb 18, 10:14am  

OkDOGEisAmountingToSomething says

RWSGFY says


DOGEWontAmountToShit says








Don't forget the insurance premiums.



socal2 likes the ride, remember?


His money - his choice.
107   WookieMan   2025 Feb 18, 9:16pm  

RWSGFY says

His money - his choice.

Yeah, I likely won't ever buy one, but if he's happy with it who gives a shit? My EV is a golf cart and I can zip around town no problem. This time of year no at 1ºF. Spring through fall it's fun.

I drive too far at least monthly. I can't have range anxiety and need towing capacity. Nothing provides that for under $100k. Not doing that.
108   RWSGFY   2025 Mar 26, 4:30pm  

Edmunds reported in July 2024 that 51 percent of Teslas traded in at dealerships in the first half of the year were swapped for gas-powered vehicles. And when Edmunds analyzed trade-ins all the way back in 2019, Tesla owners exchanged 71 percent of their models for gas vehicles—not replacement EVs or hybrids.
109   GNL   2025 Mar 26, 6:49pm  

RWSGFY says

Edmunds reported in July 2024 that 51 percent of Teslas traded in at dealerships in the first half of the year were swapped for gas-powered vehicles. And when Edmunds analyzed trade-ins all the way back in 2019, Tesla owners exchanged 71 percent of their models for gas vehicles—not replacement EVs or hybrids.


Every Tesla owner I've ever spoken to in person, has said they will not buy another one.
110   socal2   2025 Mar 26, 7:35pm  

GNL says


Every Tesla owner I've ever spoken to in person, has said they will not buy another one.


Are your Tesla driving friends a bunch of Antifa commies and trannies?

Tesla has one of the highest brand loyalty rates in the auto industry.
https://cleantechnica.com/2024/04/11/tesla-leading-in-auto-brand-loyalty/#google_vignette
112   MolotovCocktail   2025 Apr 15, 9:03am  

socal2 says

Tesla has one of the highest brand loyalty rates in the auto industry.
https://cleantechnica.com/2024/04/11/tesla-leading-in-auto-brand-loyalty/#google_vignette


That was posted a year ago. Lot has since changed. Esp for Libtards who have overwhelmingly been buyers of Teslas.
113   socal2   2025 Apr 15, 9:43am  

MolotovCocktail says

That was posted a year ago. Lot has since changed. Esp for Libtards who have overwhelmingly been buyers of Teslas.


Yes - I already pointed out the Leftist Commies and Trannies hate Tesla now. Good thing that most of them are too lazy to work to afford a car in the first place.

Has nothing to do with the quality of the product.
114   GNL   2025 Apr 15, 9:46am  

I only mentioned my own personal experience.
115   Fortwaye   2025 Apr 15, 10:03am  

socal2 says

MolotovCocktail says


That was posted a year ago. Lot has since changed. Esp for Libtards who have overwhelmingly been buyers of Teslas.


Yes - I already pointed out the Leftist Commies and Trannies hate Tesla now. Good thing that most of them are too lazy to work to afford a car in the first place.

Has nothing to do with the quality of the product.


dude a lot of leftists are very well off, some very wealthy people there.
116   WookieMan   2025 Apr 15, 11:51am  

socal2 says

Tesla has one of the highest brand loyalty rates in the auto industry.

Does that lead to sales though? I love my Nissan SUV. Driving that until it breaks. I'd buy another in a heartbeat, but if you build good cars that's 7-10 years. Nearing 250k miles and 11 years. So far I don't need to buy a new one.

I'll probably get a new(ish) one for me when the oldest is close to 16. Although in our area we let them drive alone at 15 so that might be in the next 6 months.

Brand loyalty doesn't really mean much if you build good cars. There's not much more tech that you can put in a car at this point, if you even want it. If people are trading in and selling Teslas that's not a good sign. Most are likely lower mileage. I'm not sure if that's loyalty or politics, but like I said, not a good sign for the brand.

I haven't looked at Tesla quarterlies or K10, but there will be evidence there. Not just the press piece either, the whole thing.
118   RWSGFY   2025 Apr 17, 8:49pm  

Tesla (TSLA.O) faces a proposed class action claiming it speeds up odometers on its electric vehicles so they fall out of warranty faster, saving Elon Musk's company from having to pay for repairs.
The plaintiff Nyree Hinton alleged that Tesla odometer readings reflect energy consumption, driver behavior and "predictive algorithms" rather than actual mileage driven.
He said the odometer on the 2020 Model Y he bought in December 2022 with 36,772 miles on the clock ran at least 15% fast, based on his other vehicles and driving history, and for a while said he drove 72 miles a day when at most he drove 20.
Hinton, a Los Angeles resident, said this caused his 50,000-mile basic warranty to expire well ahead of schedule, leaving him with a $10,000 suspension repair bill that he thought Tesla should cover.
"By tying warranty limits and lease mileage caps to inflated 'odometer' readings, Tesla increases repair revenue, reduces warranty obligations, and compels consumers to purchase extended warranties prematurely," the complaint said.
119   WookieMan   2025 Apr 18, 4:13am  

RWSGFY says

caused his 50,000-mile basic warranty to expire well ahead of schedule, leaving him with a $10,000 suspension repair bill that he thought Tesla should cover."By tying warranty limits and lease mileage caps to inflated 'odometer' readings, Tesla increases repair revenue, reduces warranty obligations, and compels consumers to purchase extended warranties prematurely," the complaint said.

How in the flying fuck do you need suspension work at 50k miles?? $10k is a full rebuild, like take the axels off and put new ones on. I just did my suspension at 220k miles and it was $800. I sniff bull shit in this story.

I dislike EV's, but if they're not getting 50k miles out of a suspension they're shit cars. And if it cost $10k, get fucked. I get the point is the odometer, but that means the suspension goes under 50k miles? Am I right? That's a shit car.
120   HeadSet   2025 Apr 18, 2:58pm  

RWSGFY says

He said the odometer on the 2020 Model Y he bought in December 2022 with 36,772 miles on the clock ran at least 15% fast, based on his other vehicles and driving history

Too easy to check. Just take the vehicle to a measured mile. Or even easier, start at a mile marker on the interstate and drive 10 miles and see how the mileage markers compare to the odo.
121   WookieMan   2025 Apr 18, 3:16pm  

HeadSet says

RWSGFY says
He said the odometer on the 2020 Model Y he bought in December 2022 with 36,772 miles on the clock ran at least 15% fast, based on his other vehicles and driving history

Too easy to check. Just take the vehicle to a measured mile. Or even easier, start at a mile marker on the interstate and drive 10 miles and see how the mileage markers compare to the odo.

Probably have to do 100 miles at least to prove anything. Either way everything is all digital now so an odometer being off for a warranty wouldn't shock me. I like DOGE, don't care for Tesla and am indifferent with Musk. If true he's really backing himself into a corner. He's gotta do some damage control at this point at least for shareholder (I'm not one unless it's in a fund).

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