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mell says

He's right. Why do you want to kill people needlessly?

FFS - now "the Right" is using Code Pink and Hamas rhetoric?

Israel is trying to get its hostages back and eliminate Hamas who are STILL firing rockets into Israel. And you call that "killing people needlessly"?

mell says

A mighty nation should broker peace deals instead of engaging in proxy wars.

The US has been trying to broker a peace deal in the Middle East my entire life.

Absolutely pointless when one side (Arabs) absolutely refuse to recognize Israel's right to exist.

socal2 says

mell says

He's right. Why do you want to kill people needlessly?

FFS - now "the Right" is using Code Pink and Hamas rhetoric?

Israel is trying to get its hostages back and eliminate Hamas who are STILL firing rockets into Israel. And you call that "killing people needlessly"?

mell says

A mighty nation should broker peace deals instead of engaging in proxy wars.

The US has been trying to broker a peace deal in the Middle East my entire life.

Absolutely pointless when one side (Arabs) absolutely refuse to recognize Israel's right to exist.

You better read what is currently proposed by Hamas, freeing all hostages in exchange for other captives. If Israel truly wanted to free their hostages they should go for it, they could still reverse course after they get their people back. If you were one of those hostages you'd pray for diplomacy. Israel's right to exist must be recognized, but the Gaza strip was not Israel's territory and they should negotiate what it would take to give it up. Sure or they could just go and keep killing neach other. Great solution

mell says

You better read what is currently proposed by Hamas, freeing all hostages in exchange for other captives. If Israel truly wanted to free their hostages they should go for it,

No more 1000 to 1 prisoner/hostage exchanges where Hamas gets to beef up their terrorist army to fight another day.

Israel learned its lessons after the last Hamas war where they freed the current Hamas leader Sinwar who is responsible for all the mass murder, rape and hostage taking on 10/7.

Everything you and the new right-wing Anti-American crowd are suggesting for Israel has already been tried over the last 50 years. The Palestinians have ALWAYS been bailed out by the West or the UN and have never truly paid the consequences for starting and losing wars against Israel.

This time is different.

But we now have Right Wingers sounding like fucking Left Wing academics citing Chomsky, BLM and other "anti-Colonial" horse shit.

If this is what MAGA means - I'm out......

socal2 says

The US has been trying to broker a peace deal in the Middle East my entire life.

If you think they were sincere then it's time to stay out. No payments to anyone but US citizens and internal affairs only, be neutral on all resolutions, let them duke it out. You want billion of dollars out of your pocket go into the middle East and Ukraine for warfare?

socal2 says

Israel learned its lessons after the last Hamas war where they freed the current Hamas leader Sinwar who is responsible for all the mass murder, rape and hostage taking on 10/7.

Agreed, no freeing terrorists.

socal2 says

The Palestinians have ALWAYS been bailed out by the West or the UN and have never truly paid the consequences for starting and losing wars against Israel.

You better check how much money was spent on Israel by the US. No money for anybody. This should be taken care of by bordering nations. Or not.

mell says

You better check how much money was spent on Israel by the US. No money for anybody.

They use that money to bring in all the illegals to both US and Europe to start internal wars.

WookieMan says

90% of what you deal with is local. 5% state wide and then 5% national. You kind of sound bat shit crazy.

You have no idea about history.

You're a good German not worrying about what the Nazi party was doing. You're a good Russian not worrying about the Bolsheviks. You're a good Chinese not worrying about the Chinese Revolution.

People are so fucking stupid I have to watch you assholes run the entire country off a cliff through your complete negligence and you don't care about your ignorance.

The US is currently siding with a racist genocidal group of Jewish supremacists, has needlessly made enemies with a nuclear super power, and is making enemies with the worlds largest economy, while it wars against its own citizens, and you couldn't care less. Fucking unbelievable.

socal2 says

Everything you and the new right-wing Anti-American crowd are suggesting for Israel has already been tried over the last 50 years. The Palestinians have ALWAYS been bailed out by the West or the UN and have never truly paid the consequences for starting and losing wars against Israel.

Palestinians didn't start a war. Isrfael is a bunch of Jewish bigots that moved en masse into Israel and made war with the indigenous population. There was NEVER a state of Israel. There's no mention of it in the Roman history, Greek history, or Egyptian history. It's always been a GROUP.

richwicks says

You're a good German not worrying about what the Nazi party was doing.

Because it was fucking local dude. Nazis, KKK, etc. They gained power at the local level and projected it onto the masses. I know my fucking history dude. It wasn't like Hitler just woke up one day and said kill Jews because he lead Germany and everyone followed. They converted people in cities, towns and villages. Local. I don't think you're getting my point... clearly.

Have you not witnessed black lives matter? Guess what? There's no BLM movement in my town and will never be. If enough localities resist this shit doesn't happen. This can be projected towards any issue on a federal level. People like to get reelected. It's you folks in the large suburbs and cities that are to blame. You bitch yet do nothing. I like my little enclave and we will group together and kill anyone that fucks with our town. No one would even be dumb enough to fuck with our town.

I have no interest in anything in the Eastern hemisphere. The place is in a perpetual state of war. We get involved because they're ancient petulant children. At some point let them glass each other over with nukes. Just don't involve us. NATO, the UN, etc. We live on different sides of the planet. We have everything needed in this hemisphere to be 100% prosperous without crossing Oceans. Local on a big scale can just be focusing on North and South America. But change starts at the local level like your neighborhood. Policy, leadership and from there move up the chain.

Bitching on Patnet is literally doing nothing. Go actually make change. I've had conversations with my House Rep Lauren Underwood who's a black Dem. Getting $2M for my community. Our next meeting I might bring up the Ukraine and Isreal BS. You can do the same. It only takes a few people to change a politicians stance. Money helps, but votes are needed to get reelected. You can call your House rep and get a meeting 90% of the time.

And again. You focus too much on national politics. Local is where change is made. CA is a shit hole of shit. You have a large population and project what you want on the rest of the nation. Frankly I blame you guys for not changing it. Get fucking involved instead of whining and posting memes. DO something.

Come on Wookie, BLM was not local. It is/was a national movement headed by someone. Who?

WookieMan says

Because it was fucking local dude. Nazis, KKK, etc. They gained power at the local level and projected it onto the masses. I know my fucking history dude.

You don't know the fucking present.

What you THINK is history is a bunch of propaganda and bullshit.

Government by the Nazis and Communists and OUR system was built ALWAYS from the top down. MOST people, like YOU, don't give a fuck, and don't pay any attention, and don't bother to fucking know what the FUCK is happening, and don't care.

YOU are the problem.

richwicks says

socal2 says

Everything you and the new right-wing Anti-American crowd are suggesting for Israel has already been tried over the last 50 years. The Palestinians have ALWAYS been bailed out by the West or the UN and have never truly paid the consequences for starting and losing wars against Israel.

Palestinians didn't start a war. Isrfael is a bunch of Jewish bigots that moved en masse into Israel and made war with the indigenous population. There was NEVER a state of Israel. There's no mention of it in the Roman history, Greek history, or Egyptian history. It's always been a GROUP.

There is a State of Israel. It has been acknowledged by the United Nations.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/International_recognition_of_Israel#:~:text=On%2011%20May%201949%2C%20the,to%2012%2C%20with%209%20abstentions.

Lemme guess ??? It is a propaganda site out to subvert stuff/things. It has no basis in fact.

You have been proven incorrect on one of your many false assertions.

Try not to make stuff up.

Misc says

There is a State of Israel.

There's a state of Israel NOW, it's likely to be the first time it was EVER a state.

There's absolutely no mention of an Israel in any of the ancient world. Name any king of Israel other than the FICTIONAL David?

Misc says

You have been proven incorrect on one of your many false assertions.

You're an idiot. I am surrounded by things incapable of thinking. You believe bullshit, without any fucking research or investigation. You do no work, you don't think at all, and you insist you're correct. I'm tired of having to live among you things.

At least, you have stated that there is a State of Israel.

To pull you further into reality...now say that it has been in existence longer than you have been alive.

I know this is tough. Try not to whine. It is unbecoming.

richwicks says

You don't know the fucking present.

What you THINK is history is a bunch of propaganda and bullshit.

You live in CA and don't even fucking understand dude. What have you done? Nothing beside bitch here on Patnet. We've had this argument. You yourself ARE the problem. CA is a thorn in this countries ass. And NY. IL is only left because of one city. Your entire state is a shit hole of fuck and you do nothing about it.

Patrick has at least done shit to try and fix your state. You guys project your garbage and policies on the rest of the nation and then think that's how the nation is. It's not remotely. Until you realize you live in a leftists state that gets the most electoral college votes and considers Arnold right leaning, you gotta educate yourself.

This is what I mean by local. It's not top down. You guys out there let this shit go on. As the largest state you have the biggest microphone. Especially with Hollywood. Make it fucking collapse. If you don't take it down locally it will continue at the top. I don't care that you think you know everything. You clearly don't.

Again Hitler didn't just snap his finger and killed Jews. He needed buy in from certain German regions on the idea. You have to stop the shit at the regional level. CA is a massive problem in our country. They've bought into the trash. They're mostly idiots. Dolts. You cannot say the country is Nazi pointing the finger when you've got a thumb you can point at yourself. Get the shit together out there. I'd say the same for New York.

Fact is get out and do something. Get elected for dog catcher. Until you do something everyone is kind of sick of the crocodile tears my friend. DO SOMETHING.

https://x.com/marionawfal/status/1757862478384353463?s=46&t=5lEEPaezr6Ic-W4Z6huZ5Q

Eman says

https://x.com/marionawfal/status/1757862478384353463?s=46&t=5lEEPaezr6Ic-W4Z6huZ5Q

Tucker is a poetic pussy. I generally don't mind him. That interview was weak sauce though. 100%. He's used to interviewing celebrities and US politicians. IF he even interviews them. He's a monologue type presenter like the late night shows. Rants and then chats with like minded people.

Still interrupts the MSM narrative that Putin is all bad. Over 185 million views vs 587000 CNN primetime viewers.

Do you think for an instant that our POTUS could do a 2 hour interview????

Misc says

Still interrupts the MSM narrative that Putin is all bad. Over 185 million views vs 587000 CNN primetime viewers.

Do you think for an instant that our POTUS could do a 2 hour interview????

But Putin was not rebutted. He never mentioned about Ukraine independence movements going back at least 150 years before Hitler was born. This is how the "Nazis" originally started in Ukraine. Or that the Ukrainian language is about 30% different than Russian.

Advanced forward to Moscow sending Bolsheviks to Ukraine to bully the population into accepting Moscow edicts; one of the Bolshevik leaders deployed to Ukraine was Josef Stalin.

Nevermind what set a lot of the "Pre-World War 2 Ukrianian Nazi's" over the edge which was the Holodomor.

Also I believe Ukraine was one of the first Soviet republics to declare independence from the Kremlin.

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WookieMan says

You live in CA and don't even fucking understand dude. What have you done? Nothing beside bitch here on Patnet. We've had this argument. You yourself ARE the problem. CA is a thorn in this countries ass

Dude, you're not going to do anything. I helped create the information infrastructure you are using now. I was at CableLabs when the DOCSIS standard was being designed there.

What we didn't understand is how fucking STUPID people were. We just thought they lacked information, but they don't now. You're still stupid, and uneducated. You think government works from the ground up, so fucking delusional.

Did your local town decide you had to wear masks and take a serum to keep a job, or did your federal government do that? Did your local government protect you from this GROSS overstep of power? No. But you're going to fiddle around with local bullshit. If you ever get into government, you'll be just as grafting and thieving as anybody else.

You know what it's like at THIS point to have to hear people tell me "Putin is an enemy! Putin invaded Ukraine for NO REASON! How could trump abandon our friends in Syria, the KURDS"? It's fucking painful at this point.

You know why the Kurds were being pushed into Syria? Well, it was hoped it would help destabilize it. They were used, and what does my government care, the Kurds that showed up there were the PKK, our government registers them as communist terrorists. This is BASIC KNOWLEDGE at this point, and 1% of the US population knows it. Despite giving the world ALL THE INFORMATION IN THE WORLD, they know just a LITTLE bit more than they did 30 years ago. You still, childishly, believe in government as a solution. "Oh we just fix the government", well, if we could just fix the mafia. Sure, that'll happen.

I still have to point out to dummies every now and then the US overthrew Ukraine and that's why there is a war. At this point, I'll tell them once, and if they object, I give them an article to read, tell them to disprove it, and quit being a sucker and a dope pushing propaganda like a tool. The world isn't complex or complicated, it's just filled with moral scum and suckers that don't realize they are moral scum.

Here's a little film clip of Europe's ever changing borders.

Just remember that every time those borders moved a bunch of people died. There's plenty of who did what to whom on all sides.

During Pax-Americana things were sorta stable.

https://www.google.com/search?q=gif+of+european+boundary+changes&sca_esv=f33756533c234e6e&sca_upv=1&sxsrf=ACQVn094Igd3p8RT4EKqvAoj8NPRCfHTHw%3A1707990686082&source=hp&ei=nt7NZfSXAqK_kPIPhNSJsAg&iflsig=ANes7DEAAAAAZc3srvR1MCmuoKPmBPMSrqn5sCdFYU19&ved=0ahUKEwj03vuQia2EAxWiH0QIHQRqAoYQ4dUDCBA&uact=5&oq=gif+of+european+boundary+changes&gs_lp=Egdnd3Mtd2l6IiBnaWYgb2YgZXVyb3BlYW4gYm91bmRhcnkgY2hhbmdlczIFECEYoAFIktYBUIpPWP7QAXABeACQAQCYAdABoAHlF6oBBjI2LjUuMbgBA8gBAPgBAagCCsICBxAjGOoCGCfCAgoQIxiABBiKBRgnwgILEC4YgAQYigUYkQLCAhEQABiABBiKBRiRAhixAxiDAcICERAuGIAEGLEDGIMBGMcBGNEDwgILEAAYgAQYsQMYgwHCAhAQLhiABBiKBRhDGLEDGIMBwgIFEAAYgATCAggQABiABBixA8ICDhAuGIAEGIoFGLEDGIMBwgIIEC4YgAQYsQPCAgsQLhiDARixAxiABMICDhAAGIAEGIoFGLEDGIMBwgIEEAAYA8ICBhAAGBYYHsICCBAAGBYYHhgKwgIKEAAYFhgeGA8YCsICCxAAGIAEGIoFGIYDwgIFECEYnwU&sclient=gws-wiz#fpstate=ive&imgdii=W8ck-Wo5NmkibM&imgrc=q9HyP35aKbQPAM&ip=1&vld=cid:b924cb64,vid:k-2zaOhYlAM,st:0

richwicks says

Did your local town decide you had to wear masks and take a serum to keep a job, or did your federal government do that? Did your local government protect you from this GROSS overstep of power? No. But you're going to fiddle around with local bullshit. If you ever get into government, you'll be just as grafting and thieving as anybody else.

No we did NOT wear masks in my town. No government official in my town had to take the vaccine or employees. I'm an elected official. Let me know the last time you talked to your House Rep? Crickets. Been elected? I've said it over and over I give zero shits about the Eastern Hemisphere. We shouldn't either. Never said anything going on is good.

You really talk out your ass a lot. I actually do the work and don't sit around like a know it all. Government is ground up. Look at Chicago, San Francisco, LA, NYC, etc. They're cesspools of shit and they are what get those states the electoral college vote for POTUS. You cannot be an honest human if you think change in the cities I just mentioned couldn't turn a state and the system around then I'll state you're crazy.

#1 - CA
#2 - NY
#3 - IL

Those are your biggest enemies. We both live in them with yours being the worst. Fix the fucking place. I'm doing my part in IL. I don't care you call me stupid, at the end of the day I know I'm working how I can to make it better. Creating websites, programming, etc. does nothing. No one cares and they shouldn't. What you created is the problem. You know it too, so you get all defensive.

Why the fuck you think everyone is moving to Texas and Florida? Government is local and that controls those at the top. I didn't even know this was debatable. The 3 states above have way too much power over the system. That's not opinion, it is fact. You don't talk to people in Wisconsin, Indiana, Michigan, Iowa, etc. You know you don't. I don't care about the past. Stop with Iraq, Syria and Afghanistan. How about the future? You've given up.

The federal government has all the $$. They spread it around in ways the empower them and their policies. Is that top down?

GNL says

The federal government has all the $$. They spread it around in ways the empower them and their policies. Is that top down?

They don't have all the money. Local places do. If you had to pick a place to get tax dollars, Detroit or Nashville? They have a similar population. You know the answer.

And I'm not talking about getting increased tax revenue. I'm pointing out that local matters. Detroit is shit and has made awful decisions to get votes. Nashville is more balanced and more people pay taxes. Detroit doesn't.

We need to get our house in order here sooner than later. And local is how it has to happen. Federal government ain't gonna change. Need to bring back family structure. Need to get the online carnival barkers engage in the government. Until then everyone's whining is a waste of text and air if they even have a cogent thought.

WookieMan says

They don't have all the money. Local places do.

They pay federal taxes and you cannot dispute 1. feds have a machine that goes Brrrrrrrrrrr and 2. they use that money as a bludgeon on the states.

GNL says

They pay federal taxes and you cannot dispute

I can and did. They don't get federal taxes if a city is a shit hole or there are hoards of homeless that pay nothing into the system. I'm not sure what is hard to comprehend about this. 60-70% of Detroit residence pay no federal income tax. Sure there are high earners in SF, but again most of the population pays nothing in federal taxes.

I already filed my taxes. $40k to the feds. I don't even recall state at this point.

AD says

"Ukrainian language is about 30% different than Russian"

This is not a Ukrainian language. It is a Russian dialect and the Ukranian people are Russians.

To add insult to injury the Ukrainian Nazi regime started killing Ukrainian citizens for speaking Russian!

WookieMan says

GNL says

They pay federal taxes and you cannot dispute

I can and did. They don't get federal taxes if a city is a shit hole or there are hoards of homeless that pay nothing into the system. I'm not sure what is hard to comprehend about this. 60-70% of Detroit residence pay no federal income tax. Sure there are high earners in SF, but again most of the population pays nothing in federal taxes.

I already filed my taxes. $40k to the feds. I don't even recall state at this point.

I don't know what is so hard for you to comprehend. I will say that it is coming from the top and bottom though. It is much worse coming from the top, as ANYONE can see at this point. Texas can't even protect their own border for fucks sake. THAT IS COMING FROM THE TOP AND EFFECTS THE ENTIRE COUNTRY. Why are you so thick headed sometimes?

GNL says

I don't know what is so hard for you to comprehend. I will say that it is coming from the top and bottom though. It is much worse coming from the top, as ANYONE can see at this point. Texas can't even protect their own border for fucks sake. THAT IS COMING FROM THE TOP AND EFFECTS THE ENTIRE COUNTRY. Why are you so thick headed sometimes?

Lol. So the locals have to take care of the border issue? You've just proven my point. I hope this was sarcasm.

The bottom controls everything, but bottom are pussies and just bitch on the internet and don't get elected. I hate BLM but they're more effective than the whiny bitches here. DO SOMETHING. This will be the downfall of Libertarians and Republicans if we let it continue. I'm not a registered Republican, but I sometimes feel like I'm affiliated with a party of gays.... Right and center need to grow a pair...

WookieMan says

No we did NOT wear masks in my town. No government official in my town had to take the vaccine or employees. I'm an elected official. Let me know the last time you talked to your House Rep?

What would be the point?

You're an idiot to think that government will ever do anything. You're just a welfare whore to me, and a traitor. Everybody in government is.

WookieMan says

Lol. So the locals have to take care of the border issue? You've just proven my point. I hope this was sarcasm.

I'm giving you the label of King Twister. 50% right and 50% wrong almost all the time. LMAO, many localities have to fight the federal government from all the top down bullshit.

The_Deplorable says

A bride's selfie...



https://www.youtube.com/shorts/jMHmkNDSAM0

GNL says

WookieMan says

Lol. So the locals have to take care of the border issue? You've just proven my point. I hope this was sarcasm.

I'm giving you the label of King Twister. 50% right and 50% wrong almost all the time.

That's fine. But acknowledge that Texas had to use local resources to stop the current invasion on their border. That's local on a state level. They've likely enlisted local police along the border, we just don't hear about that.

Federal government is there to protect us from outside influences. They've done dumb ass shit. But the job has been done. Texas saw a problem and acted. As they should. You know what stirred the shit pot? Local towns pissed about a bunch of foreigners strolling into town. They barked first, state listened and now the nation is listening. It's bottom up, unless you want to be controlled and do nothing.

Are you trying to tell me the problem didn't start at the top? In fact, the Feds even got the courts to side with them. You're not telling me the hordes have stopped coming are you? You're not trying to tell me that the Feds don't want this to happen are you? The Texas border is closed now, is that what you're trying to tell me? The entire country wouldn't be having these problems if the Feds did their job. But see, that is what the problem is, the Feds don't even follow their own laws, regs and rules. This causes massive problems on a nationwide scale. And we're only talking about the invader problem. There are many more problems the Feds are causing. Imagine what kind of financial disaster there is supposedly waiting for us...caused from the top down.

At least I included that many problems are caused at the bottom up also. It's coming from both ends. But, the Federal government is really going for it. They are really going for the whole basket of control. Let's see how bad things get toward the end of this year. Everyone is expecting something big, no? We'll see. I make no predictions but just look at the effect the 2020 election has had on the entire nation. That's top down.

Call me naive or whatever name you want, but I sincerely believe the Putin now is not the same as the communist Putin in the 1990’s. This Putin wants peace and enjoys his remaining years on this earth. Give the guy a chance.

https://x.com/marionawfal/status/1758055923736560037?s=46&t=5lEEPaezr6Ic-W4Z6huZ5Q

GNL says

The Texas border is closed now, is that what you're trying to tell me? The entire country wouldn't be having these problems if the Feds did their job.

They are doing their job.

You are just being lied to about what their job is. This is what happens when you don't have a news media, and you have a bunch of rumor and bullshit spread around the internet without people sourcing links so you can verify if it's true or not.

There's no mechanism to find out who is a lying piece of shit propagandist, whose a dupe that repeats the bullshit believing it's true, and who is telling the truth. Well, there IS a mechanism, but nobody will fucking use it.

As a result, you think "the feds aren't doing their job". They absolutely are. They are going to keep the illegals flowing in, because they follow orders, and very few of them are whistleblowers, and those that are can't blow the whistle to the government or the "news" media.

Patrick says

Tucker talks in Dubai about the Putin interview.

https://tuckercarlson.com/the-dubai-speech/

that was really good

Saw this post and thought of this thread. She asked some good questions.

Let them…. Them = Europe



https://x.com/marieisabellab/status/1758753272746123487?s=46&t=5lEEPaezr6Ic-W4Z6huZ5Q