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Texas has one of the most intrusive, anti-libertarian governments of any state.

https://www.theshorthorn.com/opinion/opinion-parents-teachers-should-fight-back-against-intrusive-government-interference/article_f2b58f04-bf2a-11ec-a18b-9bb647d8bb09.html

https://www.texascompetes.net/news/blog/texas-competes-statement-on-government-intrusion-into-family-healthcare

Texas is also consistently ranked as one of the worst states to live in.

https://www.nbcdfw.com/news/local/texas-news/new-study-ranks-texas-as-one-of-the-worst-states-to-live-in-what-you-need-to-know/3491683/

If you are a woman, it is even worse.

https://www.nbcdfw.com/news/local/texas-among-top-5-worst-states-for-women-in-2024-report-finds/3471845/

Nomograph says

They are fleeing in droves, more than any other state, and most are coming to CA.

My brother just left Texas after many years and moved back to Michigan.

Btw, welcome back @Nomograph!

Patrick says

Btw, welcome back Nomograph!

Thanks, Patrick. I hope all is well.

Texas has lax gun laws, which people mistake as freedom. Otherwise, in return for lax gun laws, people give up considerable personal freedom over themselves, their bodies, their families, and their health care choices.

42k doesn't seem like a lot especially between to large states.

This has to be a joke Nomo. I certainly won't be leaving TX to go back to CA and one of my best friends is Senior at DR Horton and assures me they still can't build houses fast enough for all of the Californians arriving.

Me thinks you've fallen for propaganda.

Healthcare was better in CA though.

just_passing_through says

This has to be a joke Nomo. I certainly won't be leaving TX to go back to CA and one of my best friends is Senior at DR Horton and assures me they still can't build houses fast enough for all of the Californians arriving.

Your friend's assurance certainly trumps actual data from the propagandist US Census Bureau 😛.

People still leaving in general.

Nomograph says

Your friend's assurance certainly trumps actual data from the propagandist US Census Bureau 😛.

Which shows more leaving CA for TX than the other way around. Not just TX but other states as well. It was a hellava lot more expensive to move to TX from CA 1.5 years ago when I made the move than the other way around. Vans getting stuck in TX and elsewhere.

RC2006 says

People still leaving in general.

This --^

So what, some people moved out and got their panties in a bunch only to move back. I'm pretty sure nobody wanted them to move to their hood anyway.

The general trend is out...

I'm not a fan of Texas from my visits, but it's a massive state so maybe I've missed out on the good parts. Houston, Dallas, Austin, Galveston are not my jam. Haven't spent time in small towns while there, so obviously biased to the larger cities. I need to get out of the cities when down there.

What I don't get is people that complain about the heat. Or weather in general. There's not a place in this country I wouldn't live based on weather. It's more about the people. I don't like places that don't have community and that's most of them unfortunately. Why I'll never live in or near an urban area ever again.

Contesting a bull shit ticket currently from Holmes Beach, FL. What a fucking racket. I might fly down and appear in court knowing the officer won't show. Fucking cock suckers. That's a bull shit community. Wife wanted to go there, but central Florida is trash. No community, bad vibe. I'll go to court and drive up to the Panhandle and enjoy a couple days in FL at the perfect time. Central FL is New York cock sucker boomers. Fuck 'em.

I had a pretty good time in Texas during my visits, but I didn't see the whole state.
I don't think it's nearly as interesting and scenic as California, but no other state is.
I left California when I retired, and my Texas friend keeps telling me to move to Austin where she lives and works.
I think for a single guy working in technology, California might be a good choice.
The fly in the ointment is starting a family often involves a house, and California house prices are out of sight.
Also, who wants his kids to be indoctrinated by a clip haired lesbian at a California school?

WookieMan says

Central FL is New York cock sucker boomers. Fuck 'em

Man O Man... and I left Fla last year but for other reasons.. but I got you on certain places in florida... But you didn 't mention the Conceited Canadians that pummel the state. Lots of business in FLA go after that money... sons a bitches. I betcha we can write a book on the B.S. in that state.

Is nomograph an identity taken over by a propaganda bot? Assertions simply don't track. Lady that does my hair visited friends who moved from CA to an Austin suburb and they love it. Not "the wetha", but the improvements in basic culture and human relationships (oh, and the great well built real estate at lower costs in leafy burbs).

seesaw says

But you didn 't mention the Conceited Canadians that pummel the state

You're actually not wrong there. I have a Canadian BIL. Most are nice, but I can imagine the wealthy ones have some entitlement issues.

Florida is a great state. But between Orlando and the nearby beach areas it's kind of trash. Mostly from NY. But now that you mention snow birds that is true. They act like gods gift to Florida with tourist dollars and everyone should bend over backwards for them.

Never brings kids with you in January to Central Florida. Everyone will just stare at you like shit is flowing out of their eyes like they own the God damn state. I'm not doing it again. I'll stay in AD's Panhandle area first. Then Miami and Keys for adult trips. Then maybe Naples or Marco Island, though that's also geezer land as well.

WookieMan says

I'm not a fan of Texas from my visits, but it's a massive state so maybe I've missed out on the good parts.

Me either. I don't think it has any good parts. Texas has high property taxes and an intrusive government that restricts civil liberties and meddles in personal and medical affairs. And it's hot AF nine months straight.

Enjoy!

We looked at Texas and Florida when we left California, but Tennessee won hands down. I don't want more people to move here, but I can't understand why anyone would pick Texas over Tennessee, which has lower taxes, WAY better scenery and better weather.

porkchopXpress says

We looked at Texas and Florida when we left California, but Tennessee won hands down. I don't want more people to move here, but I can't understand why anyone would pick Texas over Tennessee, which has lower taxes, WAY better scenery and better weather.

TN is fine. Did the drive from IL to Panhandle, FL probably at least 50 times before I preferred flying places. I can't stand Nashville. It's a shit hole in my world. Is it better than Texas, maybe. But Nashville is Austin, TX as far as it being a city. #shitty. We'd take longer routes down to FL to avoid Nashville. So I did enjoy other parts of TN. Done the Smokies a bunch and know I'm getting into a tourist trap. Cosby in the Smokies is a fun campground with good trails. Off the beaten path. Haven't done that with TX. Not saying TX is bad, I just have no interest in exploring it.

I think Mississippi is one of the most underrated states. Yes, it's poor. Yes a ton of blacks if that's not your jam. But it's cheap. Plenty of lake properties. Alabama is similar. Humidity and heat, yes. Bugs, yes. But it's not that bad for the cost of living. If you work remote it's a pretty good setup. Screened in porch on a lake. Ceiling fan to keep cool. Boating on the lake. Fishing if you're into that. Rarely freezes. Probably some of the lowest cost of living for waterfront properties in the country. You're also a short drive to the Gulf beaches, best sand in the world. Panhandle at least. Eastern Gulf coast can eat a shit corndog.

We considered Texas, as a number of relatives live around Brownsville, and we would still be close to Mexico. But my wife still has occasional asthma, and did not like the way humidity felt in Michigan or Florida. Also the distance from family in San Diego area.

But no, I don't know ANYONE who wants to move back to California(including ourselves). We have a house with a pool and three times the sqft for less than what we would pay in SoCal. My daughters get $7,000 each a year for private school education, where I don't have to inspect every subject's curriculum for racism and sexual perversion. Not exaggerating, I literally found like this in history and math courses. Taxes in Arizona are capped at like 4%, you can register you car for up to five years now, for pretty much the same price as yearly registration in Cali. We are a stand your ground state, CCP is easy to get, rifles are NOT illegal. Yeah, it gets a little hot in the summer, but we can just take off and be at the beach in a few hours. And the winters out here, and the big sky's are as beautiful as anything I've seen in Cali(been to Big Sur).

Sounds like Nomo is super bitter about Cali being turned into a shithole. And also bitter against Texas for being successful.

Some people from Florida are moving up to Tennessee I have noticed.

It's a case of TDS: Texas Derangement Syndrome

just_passing_through says

It's a case of TDS: Texas Derangement Syndrome

To clarify my comments, I've just been to the cities in Texas. 200k plus population. I am biased, as anyone I've known that's moved down there from IL has moved back to IL. I would like to get into a more countryside setting down there though. I think most transplants from IL go to the cities for work. I don't have an issue with Texas like I do with California. CA is more of a government issue internally and how they influence national policy and have no clue how the rest of the country functions.

I don't think Texas is a bad state, just my token experiences and people I know. The whole border shit is problematic as well. Zero issue with hispanics. As Trump said most are good, some are bad. That's the truth. The hispanics I hang with are rather successful, white collar individuals They're all legal. Actual legal migrants or 1st gen Mexicans. When I go to Mexico I've never been treated poorly. I don't just sit on a resort either. Never felt unsafe.

Worked in the two major neighborhoods in Chicago that were 50%+ Mexican at the time. Rough around the edges, but nice people. Politically not the best. Danny Solis. His sister his sister was Hillary Clinton's campaign manager. He took campaign funds, but got rid of Ed Burke and Michael Madigan working with the FBI. With developers, I had to meet with this guy dozens of times.

Tangent aside, I'll still give Texas a chance. Just not a fan of the cities for sure.

WookieMan says

To clarify my comments

Mine was about the thread in general.

Let me jump on this going back to Cali bullshit one more time. We were in Phoenix recently for a concert. I was impressed by how clean and thriving the city looked. Why was I surprised? Well, my frame of reference/comparison is San Diego. And the contrast is stark. Everything looks old, dirty, and run down. This happened gradually while I lived there, so never really noticed it before, but I definitely do now.

We lived for a while in West Chula Vista. It's the older part, and always had that feel to it. Now it's like the whole city has become West Chula Vista. In fact, the difference between San Diego and Tijuana is shrinking. I don't notice it as much as I used to. I shit you not...

I call Bullsh*t. And cherry-picking.

https://www.sfgate.com/local/article/most-uhaul-trucks-left-california-2024-data-18598702.php

sfgate no less...

rocketjoe79 says

I call Bullsh*t. And cherry-picking.

https://www.sfgate.com/local/article/most-uhaul-trucks-left-california-2024-data-18598702.php

^^^^^ this

Yeah, if you look at his sources, numbers are from 2021, not very up-to-date. Let's look at some stuff from 2023..

https://www.movebuddha.com/blog/moving-trends/
https://www.cnbc.com/2024/01/05/the-no-1-state-americans-moved-to-in-2023-its-not-florida.html

Ceffer says

Is nomograph an identity taken over by a propaganda bot? Assertions simply don't track. Lady that does my hair visited friends who moved from CA to an Austin suburb and they love it. Not "the wetha", but the improvements in basic culture and human relationships (oh, and the great well built real estate at lower costs in leafy burbs).

Lol seems like it. And the Texas state "intrusion" link provided is about the preventing parents from cutting their kids dicks and tits off and poisoning them with hormone blockers, i.e. preventing kiddie tranny shit. Seems like a good idea

Not a bot. I had friends in San Diego who constantly preached their socialist philosophies, but never lived them. I have kids, so I don't have the luxury of theory, just reality. One friend was committed by his parents for bio-polar issues, the other stopped talking to me when I refused to go to bi-polar's house in February and sit outside in the fucking cold. This was in 2020. I never told them they couldn't engage in paranoid delusions about the Scamdemic, just didn't want to sit in the cold when I didn't have to.

Same friend who stopped talking to me because I didn't go along with the fear-porn, both his boys became autistic. Guess what he thinks about "vaccines"...

My youngest, never had a single shot, healthier than both of my older daughters who took most of them.

mell says

And the state "intrusion" link provided is about the preventing parents from cutting their kids dicks and tits off and poisoning them with hormone blockers, i.e. preventing kiddie tranny shit.

Yikes!

Nomograph says

Me either. I don't think it has any good parts. Texas has high property taxes and an intrusive government that restricts civil liberties and meddles in personal and medical affairs. And it's hot AF nine months straight.

Enjoy!

Texas was a blue state until relatively recently (1990's).

Takes a while to undo all the Democrat damage.

NuttBoxer says

We lived for a while in West Chula Vista. It's the older part, and always had that feel to it. Now it's like the whole city has become West Chula Vista. In fact, the difference between San Diego and Tijuana is shrinking. I don't notice it as much as I used to. I shit you not...

To be fair, much of Chula Vista is pretty crappy. Just like National City next door.

San Diego has loads of awesome neighborhoods outside of the South Bay.

Where I live in North County it is heaven with great schools and lots of Conservatives. Just saw a neighbor's yard sign down the street with a Trump sign and another yard sign that says "Smokey the Bear says - only you can prevent Socialism!"

Nomograph says

Texas has high property taxes

That's certainly true if you are measuring taxes as a percentage of property value, but in absolute terms for "similar" houses, the comparison isn't so clear-cut. For example a $2MM home in Silicon Valley taxed at 1% is $20k/year. A similar home in Texas, costing $400k and taxed at 5% is also $20k/year.

NuttBoxer says

Let me jump on this going back to Cali bullshit one more time. We were in Phoenix recently for a concert. I was impressed by how clean and thriving the city looked.

I don't disagree, as San Diego is my most visited CA spot. And I've been to Phoenix probably 10-15 times. So I know both as well as an outsider can. San Diego is for sure better than LA and SF for CA cities. San Diego wins with less homelessness for sure.

Phoenix is cleaner. But it's also newer as far as infrastructure. Also there's minimal landscaping as weird at this sounds. It makes a place "look" cleaner, but could still be ghetto. The classic rocky desert landscape. Roads are newer. Scottsdale is the best desert area I've visited for sure. They have strict municipal codes though. View from my uncles bar. Fucking ridiculous house.

As far as AZ vs CA, driving on the 10, you immediately see the difference in the quality of the roads with California being a really rough ride and AZ being completely smooth, even at 80 mph. And then the AZ rest stops are so much nicer too.

WookieMan says

I can't stand Nashville. It's a shit hole in my world.

I'm a bit surprised by this comment. I don't live in Nashville nor would I want to, but it's hardly a shit hole compared to other cities. I just had friends visit last weekend from SCAL and they commented as to how clean the city was and how little homeless we have. Granted, there can be violence in Nashville but it's a big city, which is par for the course. I've been there tons of times and always felt safe.